[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[LastTear]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

Talking about timing. If this had come from AEG don't you think they would have done all this before the trial started so the jury would actually see it?

 

[Vici]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

But if the guy is 30 now and he hasn't "slept over" at Michael's since he was 14, that makes it at least 16 years since the alleged crime.

Didnt he say he was in his twenties when he stayed there overnight too? I might be wrong but I remember reading something like that in Aphrodite Jones book

 

[HIStory]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

I am not sure about that. I think there are many people out there that are not sure. it is really not about the haters that would always believe he was guilty vs the fans that know better.

But as of right now the media is at least questioning the motives of him so that is good. I hope it will stay that way...

I agree. There aren't only haters and fans. Most people are on the fence and such allegations are extremely harmful to Michael's legacy and reputation. There are many people who won't listen to his music and check for his art work, because they think he might have done this. This is EXTREMELY harmful and I think we, fans need to be able to defend him with the facts and everything.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

Didnt he say he was in his twenties when he stayed there overnight too? I might be wrong but I remember reading something like that in Aphrodite Jones book

I think that was Brett Barnes.

Although Wade remained in contact with Michael until Michael's death as well. In Shmuley's book there is an occasion mentioned when Wade visited Michael with either Britney or one of the N'Synch members (I don't remember exactly). That was in 2001-2002.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Have a look at his English wikipedia page, someone edited his name :

"Wade Money Hungry Robson (born 17 September 1982) is an Australian dancer, director, producer, songwriter, and award-winning choreographer."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wade_Robson

French unedited version : "Wade Jeremy William Robson, connu Wade Robson est un chorégraphe et présentateur de télévision australien né le 17 septembre 1982 à Brisbane"

souvenir before it's edited back to his real name :

Oh boy, despite all this crap and injustice happening right now the pic gave a long so needed laugh...
:toofunny: That's exactly what he is and also I'd had added backstabber.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

Talking about timing. If this had come from AEG don't you think they would have done all this before the trial started so the jury would actually see it?

The jury does see it.

 

[athina_livadi]

Michael Jackson Protege Changes Story, Files Sexual Molestation Claim

Both CNN and TMZ say they have papers filed with the Michael Jackson estate by Wade Robson saying he was sexually molested by Michael Jackson when he was a child. The filing is to get money from the estate posthumously. Robson, however, testified at Jackson’s child molestation trial in 2005 that nothing ever happened. His mother has also testified, and the family went on the record defending Jackson. So it’s a day late and a dollar short, as they say. But what is going on here?

Robson was the connection between Jackson and Britney Spears and NSync. Robson not only knew Jackson, but he was part of the boy band scene when he was very young. He did choreography for both Britney and Timberlake. He now works as a choreographer and for singer Demi Lovato.

The timing of Robson’s claim is curious at best. The Jackson family is suing AEG Live for all the money in the world. The trial is going on now, and both sides have warned about slinging mud.

But Robson’s claim doesn’t hold water. He has done many tributes to Jackson, and also was a guest at the Staples Center funeral in 2005.

On the stand in 2005, Robson underwent really severe questioning from Assistant District Attorney Ron Zonen about whether or nor he’d been abused by Jackson in the past. Tom Mesereau had put Robson on the stand as a defense witness.

Here’s what I wrote back then: Mesereau responded to a challenge from Deputy District Attorney Ron Zonen, who asked Robson, on cross-examination, what he thought of a person — meaning Jackson — who was obsessed with sexually explicit material.

Mesereau countered by offering that Jackson merely had copies of Playboy and Penthouse magazines. And that’s when things slipped out of control.

Zonen, looking like Monte Hall from “Let’s Make a Deal,” rushed to the clerk’s desk and began opening brown paper bags filled with magazines and books that had been confiscated from Neverland, Jackson’s home. They were graphic and of a homosexual nature.

With Robson on the stand, the usually mild-mannered Zonen started a rapid-fire presentation that was exhausting and exhilarating.

He kept bringing more and more material to the witness stand, asking Robson, in effect, over and over: “Would you let your 12-year-old son sleep with a man who owned this material?”

All of the books and magazines featured naked boys with exposed genitalia, with Zonen emphasizing the words “naked” and “genitalia.”

One book, Zonen said, “depicted a series of photos of sodomy,” which he then defined for the room. He handed Robson a book and said, “Strum through it.”

Robson, to his credit, held his own for most of the time.

Of one publication, he said, “It’s not a teenporn book,” but his resolve was shaken as the examples got worse.

One book was called “Boys Will Be Boys,” another “Men: A Sexual Study.” There was also “Hard Rock Affair” and “Before the Hand of Man.”

While Robson, with no objections from Mesereau, paged through these things, he tried to minimize the idea of Jackson, a modern Peter Pan, as a hoarder of male-oriented teenporn.

Things got so bad that when the questioning returned to Mesereau, the defense lawyer actually pointed out Robson’s fiancée and said, “You’re straight, aren’t you?”

By then, all of Robson’s good intentions to help Jackson seemed like they’d faded.

Shaking his head, Robson said, “I can’t imagine people around the world are watching me do this.”

Mesereau did his best to correct the many negative impressions the jury was now suddenly saddled with.

“When you were a child, did Mr. Jackson ever show you sexually explicit material?” he asked.

The answer was no.

Had he seen any depictions in all the books Zonen had shown him of an adult having sex with a child?

Again, Robson said no.

Knowing all this, had Robson changed his mind about Jackson?

No again.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2013/05/0...-changes-story-files-sexual-molestation-claim

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

Talking about timing. If this had come from AEG don't you think they would have done all this before the trial started so the jury would actually see it?

It's not a sequestered jury.

 

[terrell]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Statement from Estate Pg16 - Pst#230

MOST MEN IF not ALL MEN own some form of porn even married men. Duh.

 

[terrell]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

I agree. I think many people who were even negative back then have changed their mind. Also, there were some people who mind change after the Conrad Murray trial when the doctor recorded MJ. To many who first thought negative of MJ mind changed after hearing that tape. MJ was caring for others including children even under the influence of medicine. it is almost like alcohol. it brings out the true you.

 

[terrell]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

I just this mess is talked about for a minute and then go away before the end of the week. Right now, 98% of the boards I have been on are for MJ. Wade, I am disappointed in you.

 

[magiktori]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Michael Jackson Estate
Wade Robson Molestation Allegations
'OUTRAGEOUS, PATHETIC'

Exclusive

Wade Robson is lying through his teeth by now claiming Michael Jackson molested him when he was a child ... so says Howard Weitzman, the lawyer for the MJ Estate.

Weitzman tells TMZ ... "Mr. Robson's claim is outrageous and pathetic. This is a young man who has testified at least twice under oath over the past 20 years and said in numerous interviews that Michael Jackson never did anything inappropriate to him or with him."

Weitzman goes on ... "Now, nearly 4 years after Michael has passed, this sad and less than credible claim has been made."

Sources connected with the case tell TMZ ... Robson is claiming he suffered from "repressed memory" and that's why he didn't file his creditor's claim on time. TMZ broke the story ... Robson filed legal docs against the MJ Estate, claiming Michael molested him when he was a child. Robson was a frequent guest at the Neverland Ranch between the ages of 7 and 14.

Weitzman tells TMZ ... "We are confident that the court will see this for what it is." [h=3]See also[/h]


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/08/wade-...station-estate-howard-weitzman/#ixzz2SiC8Kjtt
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[StellaJackson]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Robson is employed by AEG as artitstic director for Demi Lovato.

 

[Smooth72]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

What if he is added as a witness if he is not already. Wade might state he was forced to lie for MJ or was paid to protect him? Just so AEG can say MJ was minipulating him and was a flat out liar? I know that is far fetched but who knows? Could that happen or would it be irrelavent? I'm not a lawyer or anything just saying. Is AEG laying the ground work to bring Wade in to testify? I hope not. I'm tired of all this bs every single day. MJ had to live with crap.

 

[HIStory]

Michael Jackson Protege Changes Story, Files Sexual Molestation Claim

Both CNN and TMZ say they have papers filed with the Michael Jackson estate by Wade Robson saying he was sexually molested by Michael Jackson when he was a child. The filing is to get money from the estate posthumously. Robson, however, testified at Jackson’s child molestation trial in 2005 that nothing ever happened. His mother has also testified, and the family went on the record defending Jackson. So it’s a day late and a dollar short, as they say. But what is going on here?

Robson was the connection between Jackson and Britney Spears and NSync. Robson not only knew Jackson, but he was part of the boy band scene when he was very young. He did choreography for both Britney and Timberlake. He now works as a choreographer and for singer Demi Lovato.

The timing of Robson’s claim is curious at best. The Jackson family is suing AEG Live for all the money in the world. The trial is going on now, and both sides have warned about slinging mud.

But Robson’s claim doesn’t hold water. He has done many tributes to Jackson, and also was a guest at the Staples Center funeral in 2005.

On the stand in 2005, Robson underwent really severe questioning from Assistant District Attorney Ron Zonen about whether or nor he’d been abused by Jackson in the past. Tom Mesereau had put Robson on the stand as a defense witness.

Here’s what I wrote back then: Mesereau responded to a challenge from Deputy District Attorney Ron Zonen, who asked Robson, on cross-examination, what he thought of a person — meaning Jackson — who was obsessed with sexually explicit material.

Mesereau countered by offering that Jackson merely had copies of Playboy and Penthouse magazines. And that’s when things slipped out of control.

Zonen, looking like Monte Hall from “Let’s Make a Deal,” rushed to the clerk’s desk and began opening brown paper bags filled with magazines and books that had been confiscated from Neverland, Jackson’s home. They were graphic and of a homosexual nature.

With Robson on the stand, the usually mild-mannered Zonen started a rapid-fire presentation that was exhausting and exhilarating.

He kept bringing more and more material to the witness stand, asking Robson, in effect, over and over: “Would you let your 12-year-old son sleep with a man who owned this material?”

All of the books and magazines featured naked boys with exposed genitalia, with Zonen emphasizing the words “naked” and “genitalia.”

One book, Zonen said, “depicted a series of photos of sodomy,” which he then defined for the room. He handed Robson a book and said, “Strum through it.”

Robson, to his credit, held his own for most of the time.

Of one publication, he said, “It’s not a teenporn book,” but his resolve was shaken as the examples got worse.

One book was called “Boys Will Be Boys,” another “Men: A Sexual Study.” There was also “Hard Rock Affair” and “Before the Hand of Man.”

While Robson, with no objections from Mesereau, paged through these things, he tried to minimize the idea of Jackson, a modern Peter Pan, as a hoarder of male-oriented teenporn.

Things got so bad that when the questioning returned to Mesereau, the defense lawyer actually pointed out Robson’s fiancée and said, “You’re straight, aren’t you?”

By then, all of Robson’s good intentions to help Jackson seemed like they’d faded.

Shaking his head, Robson said, “I can’t imagine people around the world are watching me do this.”

Mesereau did his best to correct the many negative impressions the jury was now suddenly saddled with.

“When you were a child, did Mr. Jackson ever show you sexually explicit material?” he asked.

The answer was no.

Had he seen any depictions in all the books Zonen had shown him of an adult having sex with a child?

Again, Robson said no.

Knowing all this, had Robson changed his mind about Jackson?

No again.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2013/05/0...-changes-story-files-sexual-molestation-claim

Roger cannot get his fact straight it seems. He makes it look like the material shown in court to Wade was all graphic homosexual material, close to being "teenporn". Actually there was only ONE book of graphic homosexual nature - and it was not teen themed - (Sexual Study of Man), which was a book from the 1960s and it was found in a cardboard box among hundreds of other books. Michael might have not even seen it, but surely it did not hold a special place in his collection. It was among the thousands of books he had stored in cardboard boxes.

This was the only graphic homosexual material! There were other art books some with nude males, some with nude females, some with people of both genders. No other book with male nudity was graphic sexual material - just books with artistic nude pics. Michael had a collection of thosands of art books, it's only natural that there would be some books with nudes in it (and it wasn't many books considering his vast collection). Most of those books were in big cardboard boxes with thousands of other books.

There were NO homosexual adult magazines found in Michael's possession. All the adult magazines found were HETEROSEXUAL. Roger mentions "Hard Rock Affair" as a gay magazine. Wrong. It's a heterosexual one. From Wade's testimony:

21 Q. Exhibit No. 520, tell us the title of that.

22 A. “Hard Rock Affair.”

23 Q. Okay. Go ahead and turn through a few

24 pages.

25 You don’t have to turn any further.

26 That magazine depicts graphic sexual

27 pictures of a man and a woman engaged in acts of

28 intercourse and oral sex; is that right? 9160

1 A. Yes.

Roger writes:

Of one publication, he said, “It’s not a teenporn book,”

I checked it out. No such thing was said in Robson's testimony. No one said or claimed anything about "teenporn".


The adult magazines were found in Michael's nightstand, in a box at the base of his bed, in a briefcase in closet of his bedroom, so it's safe to say they mirrored Michael's sexual ineterst. But they were ALL, I mean 100%, the types those are made for heterosexual men. No male/male gay porn AT ALL!



So I wonder what's Roger really up to with this article. He tries to act like he's defending him, but he actually spreads more harmful lies here about "gay teenporn". Isn't he supportive of AEG?

 

[Courtney]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

^^^^ You want the Jacksons rewarded for bringing this trial and all the c*ap it brought with it?

Hell no. I've been against this trial 110% since the beginning.
I had a feeling about something like this happening...to be honest with you.

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

Roger cannot get his fact straight it seems. He makes it look like the material shown in court to Wade was all graphic homosexual material, close to being "teenporn". Actually there was only ONE book of graphic homosexual nature - and it was not teen themed - (Sexual Study of Man), which was a book from the 1960s and it was found in a cardboard box among hundreds of other books. Michael might have not even seen it, but surely it did not hold a special place in his collection. It was among the thousands of books he had stored in cardboard boxes.

This was the only graphic homosexual material! There were other art books some with nude males, some with nude females, some with people of both genders. No other book with male nudity was graphic sexual material - just books with artistic nude pics. Michael had a collection of thosands of art books, it's only natural that there would be some books with nudes in it (and it wasn't many books considering his vast collection). Most of those books were in big cardboard boxes with thousands of other books.

There were NO homosexual adult magazines found in Michael's possession. All the adult magazines found were HETEROSEXUAL. Roger mentions "Hard Rock Affair" as a gay magazine. Wrong. It's a heterosexual one. From Wade's testimony:



Roger writes:



I checked it out. No such thing was said in Robson's testimony. No one said or claimed anything about "teenporn".


The adult magazines were found in Michael's nightstand, in a box at the base of his bed, in a briedcase in closet of his bedroom, so it's safe to say they mirrored Michael's sexual ineterst. But they were ALL, I mean 100%, the types those are made for heterosexual men. No male/male gay porn AT ALL!



So I wonder what's Roger really up to with this article. He tries to act like he's defending him, but he actually spreads more harmful lies here. Isn't he supportive of AEG?

This is the problem when people post articles from idiots like Friedman.

 

[athina_livadi]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

I posted Friedman's article as a sign of inconsistency to the actual deposition that I have posted above.

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Robson was also hired by AEG for Britney Spears 2009 tour.

 

[Moonwalker.Fan]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Oh My ****ing GOD?
Whats going on?

Hmmm, Immortal world tour is ending... MJ ONE starts... AEG Trial is on... and Robson woke up... and now thinks of molastaion?

OK..., but GUYS, DO NOT BE PASIVE ON THE NET DISCUSSION, WE HAVE TO DEFEND AND REACT TO THE BS, BE ACTIVE AND ADD COMMENTS ON THE ARTICLES!!!!

 

[MJelboo]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Wow, just wow. Moneygrabbing douchebag.

 

[LastTear]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

The jury does see it.

It's not a sequestered jury.

Yes I am aware the jury is not sequestered but they have received instructions from the judge.

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Oh My ****ing GOD?
Whats going on?

Hmmm, Immortal world tour is ending... MJ ONE starts... AEG Trial is on... and Robson woke up... and now thinks of molastaion?

OK..., but GUYS, DO NOT BE PASIVE ON THE NET DISCUSSION, WE HAVE TO DEFEND AND REACT TO THE BS, BE ACTIVE AND ADD COMMENTS ON THE ARTICLES!!!!

Immortal isn't ending. What are you talking about? They have shows booked up until the end of year and will almost certainly continue after that.

 

[Pimboli]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

there was another "repressed memory" scum bag some years ago.... Kapon, was it? Wasnt his claim dismissed because it lacked, - well everything?

 

[PoP]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

errinWade Robson you f#%^ing traitor!!!!errin Wait'll I get my hockey stick!

 

[karom]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

Didnt he say he was in his twenties when he stayed there overnight too? I might be wrong but I remember reading something like that in Aphrodite Jones book

I don't know. The article at the beginning of this thread says 14. And even if he spent the night when he was 20. He was an adult, he can no longer accuse MJ of molestation. Perhaps rape :doh: but I don't know how he could put that under "suppressed memories".

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

Judging by the comments I've seen on other boards and news sites, I get the impression the vast majority of people are calling BS on this.

When we get more info about the specifics people could start being more pro-Wade though.

Details of the supposed molestation, stuff like that, the public/media loves that stuff.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

there was another "repressed memory" scum bag some years ago.... Kapon, was it? Wasnt his claim dismissed because it lacked, - well everything?

Yeah, both Kapon and Jospeh Bartucci claimed "repressed memory". Kapon's "repressed memory" was diagnosed and supported by psychiatrist Carole Lieberman. As it turned out they never even met Michael...

 

[Moonwalker.Fan]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Immortal isn't ending. What are you talking about? They have shows booked up until the end of year and will almost certainly continue after that.

Is is better?:
the second highest grossing tour of 2012 the Immortal world tour continues ... MJ ONE starts... AEG Trial is on... and Robson woke up... and now thinks of molastaion?


Robson sends MJ's Estate a child molestation "complaint" (a criminal act) that was never filed with police, never filed in criminal court to determine guilt or innocence and expects to file a creditor's claim in a probate court. Who on earth is the attorney representing him and where did he get his law degree?
Wade's mother and sister testified that MJ was innocent also during the 2005 trial. So far Wade is calling Michael, his mother, his sister, and Mesereau liars.
This sounds like blackmail of MJ's Estate which means pay me lots of money to silence me forever.


"Robson is claiming he suffered from "repressed memory" and that's why he didn't file his creditor's claim on time".
***************
Wow, Robson must have been in the same fog that Jodi Arias has been in while she was killing Travis Alexander. lol Will Robson claim PTSD next?

 

[Goodbye Michael]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

wade robson has made a good living off Michael Jackson. He would never have made these claims while Michael was alive. It's easy now he doesn't have to look him in the eye. Coward.