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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Pimboli said:
but then again, he is building is defense and "proof" on that maid, who admitted under oath that she had received money from a magazine to say what she did. She is also a part of the disgruntled former neverland workers (right?). Her credibility was shot dead during 05 cross examination.
And Wade himself will have to explain his change of mind, his defense of MJ, and even more importantly how the jury is to decide if he's telling the truth now or if he did so under oath. Not exactly credible either.
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Wade will have a very hard time now.

The defense can ask him, "So when you were testifying in a criminal trial at the age of 22 about Michael Jackson sexually abusing other boys, you hadn't yet realized what he had done was wrong?"
"When you spoke about how MJ had managed to retain an innocence about him despite the madness after he died, was that coached? What did you mean by that exactly?"
"(play numerous interviews given by Wade) Were you coached beforehand for any of these?"

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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The Estate and those companies that Wade is sueing are going to need all the help they can get to defend themselves. And I do hope that they defend themselves instead of paying Wade money to go away.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The estate will not pay Wade money. They know how that would look. If they did not pay money to the people last summer with their letters & threats, they will not settle with Wade.

What makes the ability to defend Michael so difficult right now, is that his own family have a lawyer in court who is displaying Michael in an unfavorable light, so how can you tell strangers to not do the same? If he had a more supportive family system who had his back, in no way would all these outside people find it so easy & appropriate to attack Michael. That is something I notice about the media & people in the USA. If they know you have strong people, civil rights organizations, or family backing you, they are careful about abusing & persecuting you, because the US media are essentially bullies. Sadly Michael had neither. He has always been seen as "alone" while many say he was "lonely." Those factors made it easy for the lowlifes to attack him, like Wade & his attorney. Think about it, if you are in school & have a big brother in the school, the bullies rarely bother you. However, if you are in school all alone, the bullies come out in full force.

From an article earlier ^^ it seems that the family was told to let TMez handle it. What is TMez supposed to handle? Michael is not his blood. Michael did not take care of him. OK I could understand the idea of being quiet so there is no added hype to this case, but there comes a time when you have to be seen as very strong & vocal about your "own" to prevent the enemy from taking advantage. There comes a time when you get your facts together & come out demolishing Wade with it!! Once Wade went on tv, the time arrived as far as I am concerned to say something factual rather than "full of shit." What does "full of shit means?" Does it give the reader or listener any facts to show that Wade is lying--NO. Is tht an intelligent dissection of the problems in the case--NO. So what we have is "full of shit," which is the best that Michel's "support system" could do for him. How very, very, sad.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The estate will know what to do and if they can win.
Civil cases do not have to be proved beyond a reasonal doubt like criminal trials. So just a suspicion of guilt can prevail .. Estate will know what is best because all the sorded details from Wade can cause great harm even if they win. Shutting him up with a settlement and gag order .. so he can no longer discuss it to the media may be an option. because if there is no gag he can continue even if he wins or looses ... there are many things to consider .. I think the Estate will have a good defense to the charges based on all the facts and evidence we know so far. but .. they have to decide what is best for Michael's legacy .. Yes i realise how the 93 case settlement cause suspicion but just saying .. what the reality is ..
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thank you for that but I have dealt with it and have moved on as best I can from it, but I think the real horrible thing here is for people who have actually been abused and are not believed and then there's Wade Robson lying, I believe he is making little of actual victims of molestation and he should be ashamed of himself
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

qbee said:
The estate will know what to do and if they can win.
Civil cases do not have to be proved beyond a reasonal doubt like criminal trials. So just a suspicion of guilt can prevail .. Estate will know what is best because all the sorded details from Wade can cause great harm even if they win. Shutting him up with a settlement and gag order .. so he can no longer discuss it to the media may be an option. because if there is no gag he can continue even if he wins or looses ... there are many things to consider .. I think the Estate will have a good defense to the charges based on all the facts and evidence we know so far. but .. they have to decide what is best for Michael's legacy .. Yes i realise how the 93 case settlement cause suspicion but just saying .. what the reality is ..
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I understand what you're saying about Wade's details but I believe a settlement will hurt Michael's legacy more because then it will be like a mirror to the Chandler's story. Some people will continue to believe that Michael molested children & that this is hush money, how could that help his legacy?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't see why people think because of the AEG case this somehow limits or hurts the Estate. Whatever they're saying in those courtrooms everyday, it surely has nothing to do with Child Molestation, so what does that matter? The Estate can and will fight this if it ever comes to that, and they will come out successful, because nobody is buying Wade's story. NOBODY.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

mjchris said:
yes there was.
u understand what we talking about?
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You find that is a waste to read the tabloids & I find that thanks to the people who read & refute the lies written on tabloids & told on tv, many people have learned about what happened on both cases. Even though Michael is not here, I feel sorry for him as a human more than as an artist. To me it doesn't matter where they say bad things about him, what matters to me is where people go to defend him and I'll say it again, thanks to them I got to like Michael.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

One does not negotiate with terrorists, blackmailers or extortionists. Happened already. The details will come out anyway - and those missing details are what got him invited on those train wrecks of mental zombiedom anyway.

I'm sure the Estate is more than aware of the damage one settlement has already done. In the mind of every hata and 'concerned citizen' it is already ringing with the fact that Chandler got paid. For some reasons other settlements don't seem to attract much attention - who knows why.

Although God-knows-how-many people have received an insurance settlement after a car accident - settlements usually has zero to do with formal 'guilt' declarations of anyone. Not even in car accidents.

Only in Michael's case are they the smell of Satan. Otherwise people would never say that money stinks or smells. It only smells when it concerns other people.

Whatever decision the Estate makes, good luck with that. But with Robmesome encouraging others to 'come forward' for a payout (I mean, what else do you call it?) - paying anything to Robmesome would be horrendous. I bet you 50 bucks someone is going to have the details anyway - or will make some up and until the correction is printed...you know the deal.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I haven't posted here in years, maybe some of you remember me, but I just saw this story and I am just appalled. That's really all I can say. I'm having trouble even digesting this. He never said a bad word about Michael for years, and defended the man at trial for Gods sake, and now that Michael is dead he claims he had a couple of breakdowns because of molestation...because he had his own kid? It's all just so difficult to believe. I just never thought Wade would be one to engage in this. It's really kind of depressing.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Aquarius said:
You find that is a waste to read the tabloids & I find that thanks to the people who read & refute the lies written on tabloids & told on tv, many people have learned about what happened on both cases. Even though Michael is not here, I feel sorry for him as a human more than as an artist. To me it doesn't matter where they say bad things about him, what matters to me is where people go to defend him and I'll say it again, thanks to them I got to like Michael.
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Many people indeed will never understand what a wrongful accusation feels like. What is does to you.
What gets my goat is people acting all chilly. Michael needed to grow a thicker skin and 'let it go' and down to such helpful advice such as blaming him. Until somebody has accused you of a nasty vile thing many people don't understand that people seeking to accuse, damage and mind f&*(% someone - they will do it. Either to Michael, you, me or anyone. Yes, sure, some seem more like 'victims' than others.

The problem with those even lambasting other who do care is that surefire confidence many have before the fall... Yes, Michael is gone.

The issue simply is that it is not acceptable to act in the way people think "hey, it's just Michael." Or his Estate. "It's not personal", right? Not to the one who doesn't get accused.
First he got accused while alive. It's even more diabolical to play with fire accusing someone and then fully banking on a payday - especially with the specifics in this case.

Coldness and 'none of my business' already rules the day. Hey - some homie needs help? Aaah, somebody is gonna call 911.

What is happening is absolutely not okay. If THIS is the norm in this world - if this what people consider 'okay' - sorry, not the world that I want to live in. I'm serious.
Weasels like Robmesome and his maniac lawyers need to learn some people will do say something. Robmesome says he will not go away - newsflash, neither will we.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Also, fwiw, I believe, and have always believed, that "repressed memories" are a fictitious legal theory and not a legitimate scientific theory. I believe there are many professionals who hold the same view.

I actually find it possible that Wade may have gone through something like a clinical depression, couldn't understand why, and his psychologist actually gave him the theory to help explain why he was depressed. Wade may have been in an extremely vulnerable mental state and been willing to believe anything.

Either way, BS.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

WHES said:
Also, fwiw, I believe, and have always believed, that "repressed memories" are a fictitious legal theory and not a legitimate scientific theory. I believe there are many professionals who hold the same view.

I actually find it possible that Wade may have gone through something like a clinical depression, couldn't understand why, and his psychologist actually gave him the theory to help explain why he was depressed. Wade may have been in an extremely vulnerable mental state and been willing to believe anything.

Either way, BS.
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He's not going with the "repressed memories" theory anymore, though. Now he claims he remembers everything, he just didn't realise it was wrong. At the same time, he also claims that Michael told him they would both go to prison if this ever came out. I guess this falls into the same kind of logic as "this is not about money" while filing a creditor's claim and civil lawsuit :smilerolleyes:
 
I didn't realize that a trashy tabloid like TMZ represents what the world thinks on their little polls. I don't think so. Nobody I know checks that site. 2 people at work asked me about this today and they told me themselves they don't believe it and it's about the money. I don't believe that they whole world thinks Michael was a child molester. I know there are people who do but if they really believed that people would not buy his music, go the cirque shows and especially reacted the way they did when he died. Maybe I am naïve but if you really think that you would want nothing to do with that person.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Now he claims he remembers everything, he just didn't realise it was wrong.
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That alone just sounds ridiclous and too funny how the heck could he not know it was wrong at the age of 22 or whatever age he was at the 2005 trial??? he was a grown man for crying out loud!!! :lol:

that was why that criminal trial was happening cuz mj accused of child molestation itys no rocket science to figure out what trial was bout, seriously wade would have to be the dumbest person on the planet
 
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LindavG said:
He's not going with the "repressed memories" theory anymore, though. Now he claims he remembers everything, he just didn't realise it was wrong. At the same time, he also claims that Michael told him they would both go to prison if this ever came out. I guess this falls into the same kind of logic as "this is not about money" while filing a creditor's claim and civil lawsuit :smilerolleyes:
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Ah, I didn't realize that. Sorry, I'm behind here, but did he officially change his story from the original filing, or was it just mis-reported by the media originally? If he changed it, it's more evidence that it's mostly just a legal theory to cover his ass for the prior inconsistent statements.
 
marebear;3826320 said:
I didn't realize that a trashy tabloid like TMZ represents what the world thinks on their little polls. I don't think so. Nobody I know checks that site. 2 people at work asked me about this today and they told me themselves they don't believe it and it's about the money. I don't believe that they whole world thinks Michael was a child molester. I know there are people who do but if they really believed that people would not buy his music, go the cirque shows and especially reacted the way they did when he died. Maybe I am naïve but if you really think that you would want nothing to do with that person.
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Agreed. Some people in "internet world" believe this and I think this is where we see most of the haters, at least that's where I see most of them. But anybody can be anybody on the internet, and any one person can be as many people as they want to be. I don't trust TMZ polls either. They could easily be manipulated.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I cannot wait for this mess to be over you guys have NO idea

I don't know what Wade and his lawyer think they are gonna win , the estate is not obligated to give him a dime and the suit against Branca/McClain and MJJ Productions is beyond laughable.

I do not think Wade is going to have his way , but I do feel nothing but sadness for those children because they are the ones that Wade is targeting at the moment.

Go ahead Wade and reach out to Blanca Francia , goodluck with that cuz even if she does decide to testify in your favor she lacks credibility just like you.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So Evan Chandler thought taking a bribe was ok. It never dawned on him that his civic duty would be to prosecute his son's perpetrator so that another child would not suffer at the hands of the perpetrator? Instead Evan Chandler takes hush money so the criminal can continue preying on victim's. That's why this whole thing is so ludicrous. Wade Robson had his chance to testify in a Court of Law to send his perpetrator to jail and instead he defended his perpetrator. The same with Jordy Chandler. Jordy could have come to Court in 2005, but instead he decided he didn't want to do his civic duty and send his perpetrator to jail. To protect Society.

That's how you know this whole thing is about money. If someone had violated me, the inner strength I would derive watching my assailant have to endure the same anguish, losing their freedom sitting in a jail cell and making it harder to attack another human being. That would begin my healing process, knowing he was being exposed to the world his crime and the details of how he did it, to disrupt his pattern of abuse. I would sleep better at night knowing justice had been served!


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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Aquarius said:
I understand what you're saying about Wade's details but I believe a settlement will hurt Michael's legacy more because then it will be like a mirror to the Chandler's story. Some people will continue to believe that Michael molested children & that this is hush money, how could that help his legacy?
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Plus a settlement could open the floodgates for other opportunists to try their luck. It will never end. Michael should not have settled the first time and then there would be no Francia and no Arvizo and no Robson allegations.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^Exactly. No Settlement. If the estate do something like that after knowing them impact of the 1st settlement & how it allowed others to try that same scheme, my head would explode & there is going to be another thread like the Michael one going on for years.

In these coming weeks, I want to see if we will hear more leaks from Wade or his lawyer. These people never know when to be quiet.
 
Pace said:
One does not negotiate with terrorists, blackmailers or extortionists. Happened already. The details will come out anyway - and those missing details are what got him invited on those train wrecks of mental zombiedom anyway.
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Exactly.

Did the settlement prevent the Chandlers leak details? No. They found "creative ways" to leak them. Ie. through Diane Dimond who acted like she knew nothing about where they came from and even had the audacity to suggest the leaked settlement might have come from LMP, when she knew damn well it and other materials (Jordan's declaration, Jordan's interview with the psyh) came from the Chandlers. They also found a creative way to get around the confidentiality agreement and publish a book. Book publisher Judith Regan:

“I received a call from Jordan’s uncle. He wanted to do a book in which he would describe in detail the allegation of molestation against Michael Jackson. So I asked him how he proposed to do this given the fact that the Chandlers had actually signed a confidentiality agreement and taken $20mln. And he said that Jordan’s father had given him all the information he needed for the book and he believed he was outside the bounds of the Confidentiality agreement because he would be the author. At the time I had the impression that the Chandlers were brazen opportunists and I found the entire proposal by the uncle to be distasteful. They enter a Confidentiality agreement and before the ink is even dry they are shopping a deal that violates this agreement?"
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Eventually they did publish the book in 2004. So the settlement and gag order did not stop them from anything.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^Good example. Especially now the ways to leak information have become even more creative than ever. You can even send it to another country like England & have them release it there. Then, the American media will pick it up and print it in the US. It will then be on tv and they will say according to the ----. Books can be printed in other countries as well--Victor comes to mind here, although his was pure fiction.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
Plus a settlement could open the floodgates for other opportunists to try their luck. It will never end. Michael should not have settled the first time and then there would be no Francia and no Arvizo and no Robson allegations.
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it's my understanding that the settlement was done behind Michael's back? He wanted to defend himself in court, but his advisors talked him out of that by telling him "you do not know what a jury will do" (or however he phrased it in the diane sawyer interview).
People also need to understand that it was not MICHAEL who paid Jordan those 20mill - it was his insurance company. And in the settlement doc Michael is saying that he's NOT guilty of the charges. Technically Michael never paid Chandler a dime.

One thing that's pissing me off is how tmz posted an article about Taj's revelation that he was molested, and then they had the audacity to say "hmm, i wonder if he's just saying this to help his uncle?". Yet they plaster Wade's RIDICULOUS stories left, right and centre, because apparently Wade is THE truth....? Talk about being blatantly obvious :rolleyes:
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Kingofpop4ever3000 said:
The Estate and those companies that Wade is sueing are going to need all the help they can get to defend themselves. And I do hope that they defend themselves instead of paying Wade money to go away.
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qbee said:
The estate will know what to do and if they can win.
Civil cases do not have to be proved beyond a reasonal doubt like criminal trials. So just a suspicion of guilt can prevail .. Estate will know what is best because all the sorded details from Wade can cause great harm even if they win. Shutting him up with a settlement and gag order .. so he can no longer discuss it to the media may be an option. because if there is no gag he can continue even if he wins or looses ... there are many things to consider .. I think the Estate will have a good defense to the charges based on all the facts and evidence we know so far. but .. they have to decide what is best for Michael's legacy .. Yes i realise how the 93 case settlement cause suspicion but just saying .. what the reality is ..
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The Estate should NEVER settle with WR!!! That would be the worst possible reaction from them and it would likely destroy Michael's legacy for ever. It would indeed open the doors for other once-pals of Michael who happen to want a higher-then-they-can-afford life style and it would give reopen the past allegations and give them crediblity.

Please don't do this mistake, Estate! This is a point of no return, no second chance, the damage would be cemented!

Fight him of at court instead! Get TMez and distroy that little *!$#*hole for ever!!!
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^The settlement was less than 20. Closer to 16; I can't remember the exact amount but I think it was 15 and change. Someone here will know the exact amount. Also, the settlement was not for molestation but for negligence, which is something no one mentions.

TMZ is like that. They will make a little pro Michael comment to reel you in & then later slip into attacking Michael again. They are like cats playing with mice--the mice being the fans who they know are their main customers of Michael information. They know these fans will always come back for more, so they do whatever they want with Michael. Anyway most "normal" people have commented favorable about Taj's disclosure, so who cares about a tabloid?
 
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