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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

souldreamer7 said:
now theres a opinion poll on tmz

http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/18/michael-jackson-wade-robson-you-be-the-judge/

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It's encouraging to see that even on a tabloid website like TMZ, most people (85%) believe Wade is motivated by money rather than justice, the majority thinks he's lying (53%) and remember MJ as a great talent (58%) rather than a child molester.

I'm focusing on the positives here because 66% also believe MJ was a pedophile and 52% think he would've gone to prison had he been alive :( I know we shouldn't take these polls too seriously, but still...

And those comments, omfg. I knew I shouldn't have scrolled down :/
 
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Moonwalker77 said:
It was useless the story of Taj, IF it happened it doesn't help . Tito, Taj's father is still wondering why his son said that publicly, and Jermaine thought it was Mike the molester, when the paparazzi of TMZ told him " your nephew just said he was molested by one of his oncle when he was kid...."

Let's Rob$on speaks, he destroys himself his story, so no need blablabla from the Jack$on$. Rob$on is a very bad actor who want money and will do anything for money (like the Jack$on$). So let him fall in his hole, people and medias see it's just about MONEY.
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I do not think it was useless- it explained the letter to DeeDee of which the likes of Dimond often bring up. I have seen it often on TV. Taj was wonderful & courageous to speak up. And TAj would not have said it happened if it did not.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

what is it that Michael said "keep the faith" and that is exactly what I'm going to do.
 
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Remember that woman whom Today's Show presented as an expert during Wade's interview and who was supportive of Wade's story? Well, it turns out she's not an expert. At least when they talk about an expert in this context I think of a psychologist or a psychiatrist whose field is this area. And I bet many other people thought that of her too, since the context was deliberately misleading. This woman's name is Joelle Casteix and she's an opera singer, a journalist and an advocate for sex abuse victims of the Catholic Church. She's not a psychologist or a psychiatrist. She was abused between the age of 15 and 17 and so she has very strong feelings about such allegations but she's not an expert. And she's very biased. She's the type of person for whom an allegation=fact. On her website she declares Wade is telling the truth even though she knows nothing else about the case than what she saw on Today's Show. She says it's not about money. How can anyone say that when Wade filed a creditor's claim and a civil suit (both are about money)? She also has a history of being very biased against Michael. Among others in 2010 she campaigned against that audotorium bearing MJ's name at the Gardner School.

Bottom line is, Today's Show was deliberately manipulative. They knew exactly what they wanted to hear when they put this woman on their show as an "expert". Why did they pick this woman? Why not a real psychologist or psychiatrist? They mislead their public to think it's some kind of professional opinion. And she got to talk more than Mesereau did, who actually knows something about the case and Wade, unlike her...
 
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thanks ivy.i guess he will sue the companies rather than the individual although personally i cant see how u can do that as a company could include thousands of ppl. to me it should be about individuals guiterrez aswell was found liable when mj sued him.

Soundmind said:
In 1996 MJ's lawyers did prove the Neverland fab th malice , MJ was awarded damages. Wade already testified under oath twice . if he is now coming up with totally contradicting statements it will be very much documented he's a liar, what more evidence do they need ?
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respect77 said:
Remember that woman whom Today's Show presented as an expert during Wade's interview and who was supportive of Wade's story? Well, it turns out she's not an expert. At least when they talk about an expert in this context I think of a psychologist or a psychiatrist whose field is this area. And I bet many other people thought that of her too, since the context was deliberately misleading. This woman's name is Joelle Casteix and she's an opera singer, a journalist and an advocate for sex abuse victims of the Catholic Church. She's not a psychologist or a psychiatrist. She was abused between the age of 15 and 17 and so she has very strong feelings about such allegations but she's not an expert. And she's very biased. She's the type of person for whom an allegation=fact. On her website she declares Wade is telling the truth even though she knows nothing else about the case than what she saw on Today's Show. She says it's not about money. How can anyone say that when Wade filed a creditor's claim and a civil suit (both are about money)? She also has a history of being very biased against Michael. Among others in 2010 she campaigned against that audotorium bearing MJ's name at the Gardner School.

Bottom line is, Today's Show was deliberately manipulative. They knew exactly what they wanted to hear when they put this woman on their show as an "expert". Why did they pick this woman? Why not a real psychologist or psychiatrist? They mislead their public to think it's some kind of professional opinion. And she got to talk more than Mesereau did, who actually knows something about the case and Wade, unlike her...
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I knew there was something odd about her when they didn't show her credentials. She doesn't have any.



If Wade is suing the estate/companies for responsibility, I'd love to see the evidence he's going to provide. Would he first need to prove that Michael molested him, above anything else? And then prove why the other people are responsible for it.
Why wouldn't he sue his mother too? This is ridiculous.
 
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thats the problem with the u.s media. they can do what they like with no come back. no watchdog to deal with blantent biast

respect77 said:
Remember that woman whom Today's Show presented as an expert during Wade's interview and who was supportive of Wade's story? Well, it turns out she's not an expert. At least when they talk about an expert in this context I think of a psychologist or a psychiatrist whose field is this area. And I bet many other people thought that of her too, since the context was deliberately misleading. This woman's name is Joelle Casteix and she's an opera singer, a journalist and an advocate for sex abuse victims of the Catholic Church. She's not a psychologist or a psychiatrist. She was abused between the age of 15 and 17 and so she has very strong feelings about such allegations but she's not an expert. And she's very biased. She's the type of person for whom an allegation=fact. On her website she declares Wade is telling the truth even though she knows nothing else about the case than what she saw on Today's Show. She says it's not about money. How can anyone say that when Wade filed a creditor's claim and a civil suit (both are about money)? She also has a history of being very biased against Michael. Among others in 2010 she campaigned against that audotorium bearing MJ's name at the Gardner School.

Bottom line is, Today's Show was deliberately manipulative. They knew exactly what they wanted to hear when they put this woman on their show as an "expert". Why did they pick this woman? Why not a real psychologist or psychiatrist? They mislead their public to think it's some kind of professional opinion. And she got to talk more than Mesereau did, who actually knows something about the case and Wade, unlike her...
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

LindavG said:
It's encouraging to see that even on a tabloid website like TMZ, most people (85%) believe Wade is motivated by money rather than justice, the majority thinks he's lying (53%) and remember MJ as a great talent (58%) rather than a child molester.

I'm focusing on the positives here because 66% also believe MJ was a pedophile and 52% think he would've gone to prison had he been alive :( I know we shouldn't take these polls too seriously, but still...

And those comments, omfg. I knew I shouldn't have scrolled down :/
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The point is - people just want to believe that Michael was a pedo, they dont want to accept anything else, they dont want to know anything factual, they are satisfied with - the claims as evidence, they dont believe the repressed memories, call WR a liar that is after money, but they simply JUDGED Michael as a pedo, just because they want MJ to be a pedo, especially if they havent seen any evidence yet ... provided by Wade Robson, he only said something, nothing proved.

Its ridiculous to see that most people think by this poll that MJ was a pedo, but most of the same people do think that Wades motives is MONEY. and his repressed memories BS....

I call it the social perversity of 2013...
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

@MJChris. In the 90's there was tv & magazines.
 
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@MJJ Fan4321. Sorry for such a horrible experience you had to live.
 
Re: [TMZ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

Moonwalker77 said:
It was useless the story of Taj, IF it happened it doesn't help . Tito, Taj's father is still wondering why his son said that publicly, and Jermaine thought it was Mike the molester, when the paparazzi of TMZ told him " your nephew just said he was molested by one of his oncle when he was kid...."

Let's Rob$on speaks, he destroys himself his story, so no need blablabla from the Jack$on$. Rob$on is a very bad actor who want money and will do anything for money (like the Jack$on$). So let him fall in his hole, people and medias see it's just about MONEY.
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I don't think Jermaine was implying with his thoughts that he thought MJ was the molester, just that he didn't know. Granted, he could have made a stronger statement for his nephew, something like "he's shocked and he didn't know, and supports him coming out, it was very brave to do, ect" I also thought his earlier comment could have been much more supportive in regards to the new allegations coming out against his brother :/ but well it's Jermaine...
 
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The Today show needs to be called out for that.
 
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MJJ2theMAX said:
it really worries me that the burden of proof is so much lower for a civil trial (which is what Wade is brining). The jury will be deciding the case on "the balance of probabilities"...
The 2005 case was a criminal case, where the jury were deciding the case on the basis of being "beyond all reasonable doubt"
i just feel like MJ will be found guilty at a civil trial... and he'll have a guilty label slapped against him...
legacy destroyed and he's not even here to defend himself. so sad.
my only hope is that when his kids are older they will defend him and people will believe them and some of this damage can be undone.
I also worry about the fact Wade is a celeb (albeit fairly minor). He must be friends/ acquaintances with alot of people who are no longer going to feel that they can publically say anything positive about Michael...
I just find his whole thing awful
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Personally, I do think after 23+ years of me being the MJ fan that this is the continuing conspiracy against MJ, in 1993 "they" tried it and found out that it worked, they created a huge myth about the allegations of sex. molestation and abuse that it became something synonymous for MJ, in 2003 the same storyline and scheme of the same players of the game wanted to get Michael in front of the jury=the world and humiliate MJ - for a reason we still have not known yet, even they failed, they were satisfied because of the damage they have caused, and 10/20 years later, after they literally eliminated MJ, in 2013 they want to crown their conspiracy with the accusations of a person who had been defending MJ for the same 20+ years of the game, who was the star witness who repeatedly refused any sex abuse despite of the claims from the players of the conspiracy.

All the same players are again in the game (for now the public players Francia, MaManus) to complete/conclude the mision and label MJ a pedo for ever... especially if the civil court is going to be rewarding...

Not only MJ fans have to see and realize the conspiracy scheme, repeating the 20 years, otherwise we would have to admit that MJ did something we dont want to know.... about him.

You/we have to re.open our info files about the cases in 1993 and especially in 2003-2005, read all the docs and transcripts and testimonies of all the players....

BTW, DO YOU REMEMBER: some of you could re.draw the scheme for 2013:

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respect77 said:
I have to say I share your worries about the fact a civil trial has a more lax burden of proof. It could go either way and unfortunately people has been bombarded with negative stuff about MJ for decades and that could influence a jury. The whole "no smoke without fire" way of thinking could be there. The fact MJ was accused before. Etc. And you can be sure the media will do its job once again in tuning the public against MJ during a trial. Now, that did not work in 2005, the jury still remained fair. But that was a criminal trial. In a civil trial a jury doesn't have to think it's beyond a reasonable doubt.
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but then again, he is building is defense and "proof" on that maid, who admitted under oath that she had received money from a magazine to say what she did. She is also a part of the disgruntled former neverland workers (right?). Her credibility was shot dead during 05 cross examination.
And Wade himself will have to explain his change of mind, his defense of MJ, and even more importantly how the jury is to decide if he's telling the truth now or if he did so under oath. Not exactly credible either.
 
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Pimboli said:
but then again, he is building is defense and "proof" on that maid, who admitted under oath that she had received money from a magazine to say what she did. She is also a part of the disgruntled former neverland workers (right?). Her credibility was shot dead during 05 cross examination.
And Wade himself will have to explain his change of mind, his defense of MJ, and even more importantly how the jury is to decide if he's telling the truth now or if he did so under oath. Not exactly credible either.
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You mean the Neverland 5? No, Blanca Francia is not a part of it. The other maid Adrian McManus is part of the NL5.

Blanca was a mess on the stand in 2005, but the problem is that now she will be backed by Wade (unlike in 2005). Now, Wade will say her story is true. Who knows what a jury at a civil trial will think of it? Remember, here it doesn't have to be beyond a reasonable doubt.

There is an unexplored aspect of Blanca Francia's allegations and that is her connection with Victor Gutierrez. I personally think a lot of these allegations originate from him and he told these people to go to tabloids and tell these stories. He orchestrated a lot of the allegations against MJ IMO. But this aspect wasn't brought forward in 2005. I don't think Mez connected the dots there, but he didn't really need it either. Also some of the material that came out about VG came out since the trial so Mez couldn't even realize them at the time. But if it goes to trial now I really hope Michael's side will take a deeper look into this guy and his relationship with all these ex-employees and also what's his agenda with all this.
 
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I do NOT Believe Wade at ALL! He had his chance in 2005 to say something ppl who have been molested would kill for that chance to prove that it happened and he didn't Wade is a big fat LIAR! :puke:
 
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respect77 said:
You mean the Neverland 5? No, Blanca Francia is not a part of it. The other maid Adrian McManus is part of the NL5.
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oh dear. I got the weasels mixed up. :lol:

Blanca was a mess on the stand in 2005, but the problem is that now she will be backed by Wade (unlike in 2005). Now, Wade will say her story is true. Who knows what a jury at a civil trial will think of it? Remember, here it doesn't have to be beyond a reasonable doubt.
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true, and i do think that worrying about the outcome is OK. And yes, Wade is now backing up her story, but his problem is that he didnt when it counted; under oath with the possibility to send his alleged molester away for life. So either he was lying then or he's lying now. That'll be a huge thing during trial, should it go that far.

And if this mess goes to trial, i hope Mez will team up with branca an mcclain :)

Edit: Blanca... is she Tickler's mom? Tickler and mom settled with MJ out of court (right?)
 
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I agree, respect77! There are so many questions about VG's involvement in 93. To find out, you'd have to put DD on the stand too, as she claimed he was her best and most reliable source (what a reliable source--ha!). Orth also spoke with him--in one of her 2003 VF articles she says she tracked him down in Chile. Orth says the prosecutiion had all read VG's book and believed every word (same article). Bashir also worked with him b/c he hired him as a consultant for ABC for the 2003-05 trial period. The Neverland 5 also worked with him--he was there in one of the meetings between NL5 and the tabloids. Was he a broker? When did he talk to Blanca? Did he work with Feldman? I think he did. Feldman visited Blanca before her deposition in 93/94. Why did the police interview VG--of all people--FIRST when they opened their investigation in August 1993? VG is a big fat spider in the web.
 
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VindicateMJ did a post on how Blanca could not have seen anything in the shower due to the way the bathroom is set up.

It is highly ironic that a person could be brought down by an ex-maid who was fired, who admitted to helping herself to his stuff and peeking in other employee's purses, who clearly could not speak or understand the language, who collaborated with the author of a pornographic book, who sold her story to tabloids, but that this person--who said maybe they saw this, no they didn't, yes they did--is a key witness?????? How in any sane world could this person's testimony be taken seriously? How could anyone think she is not just making it up so she could get 2.4 million $$$???
 
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Pimboli said:
true, and i do think that worrying about the outcome is OK. And yes, Wade is now backing up her story, but his problem is that he didnt when it counted; under oath with the possibility to send his alleged molester away for life. So either he was lying then or he's lying now. That'll be a huge thing during trial, should it go that far.
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Yes, ultimately it will come down to this and whether the jury will buy his explanation of why he said the complete opposite for 20 years, including under oath in a criminal trial. And it's very hard for him to give a reasonable explanation for that.

And if this mess goes to trial, i hope Mez will team up with branca an mcclain :)
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Me too. I think for Mez it's a very important thing (bless his soul) and I'm sure he will give the Estate every help that is needed.
He already said he's ready to testify as a witness.

Edit: Blanca... is she Tickler's mom? Tickler and mom settled with MJ out of court (right?)
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Yes, she's the mother of Jason Francia. I created a thread where you can read about both the Francias and Adrian McManus: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...aterial-about-the-allegations-against-Michael
 
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The question with the shower is not about molestation. The question was did you shower with him? A specific question with just a yes or no answer.
 
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jamba said:
I agree, respect77! There are so many questions about VG's involvement in 93. To find out, you'd have to put DD on the stand too, as she claimed he was her best and most reliable source (what a reliable source--ha!). Orth also spoke with him--in one of her 2003 VF articles she says she tracked him down in Chile. Orth says the prosecutiion had all read VG's book and believed every word (same article). Bashir also worked with him b/c he hired him as a consultant for ABC for the 2003-05 trial period. The Neverland 5 also worked with him--he was there in one of the meetings between NL5 and the tabloids. Was he a broker? When did he talk to Blanca? Did he work with Feldman? I think he did. Feldman visited Blanca before her deposition in 93/94. Why did the police interview VG--of all people--FIRST when they opened their investigation in August 1993? VG is a big fat spider in the web.
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Exactly!

I just realized this in Ray Chandler's book today:

Larry Feldman is quoted here

"Right. Listen to this, Evan. Maureen Orth is writing this big Vanity Fair article (Nightmare at Neverland). And when she went out to see Fields he said, we're going to litigate this case hard and heavy, we've got nothing to hide. Now he wants a six-year stay! She's ****in' gonna see this and flip . . . and Diane Dimond too, you know, who's really your closest ally."
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VG, Dimond, the Chandlers, most of the employees who testified against Michael (the Francias, the Neverland 5) and others who did not testify, "only" talked crap about him in the media (eg. Orietta Murdock), Orth, several other people in the media - they are all connected and the guy who seems to be at the centre of this web is VG. His role is bigger than most people realize.
 
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respect77 said:
Y
Yes, she's the mother of Jason Francia. I created a thread where you can read about both the Francias and Adrian McManus: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...aterial-about-the-allegations-against-Michael
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hmm. And wouldn't she have to explain why she chose to take the $ and go away instead of dragging MJ to court on molestation charges? If that was my boy, no amount of money could make me go away. I would want the bastard behind bars. Also, doesnt that make her culpable for any molestation that allegedly took place after her settlement?
 
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respect77--yes, you are right. I think all his behind-the-scene involvement needs to be spelled out and if there is a civil trial over the lastest bs from WR then all these players (Blanca, NL5, Orietta M., etc.) need to have their connection to VG as their media broker AND their adviser when it came to their allegations put on record.

So ironic that these holier-than-thou media people like Orth and DD and Bashir (self-righteousness personified) used a known pedophile VG as a reliable source. They pal around with liars and pedos and then call MJ a monster!

Makes me wanna SCREAM!!!
 
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jamba said:
So ironic that these holier-than-thou media people like Orth and DD and Bashir (self-righteousness personified) used a known pedophile VG as a reliable source. They pal around with liars and pedos and then call MJ a monster!

Makes me wanna SCREAM!!!
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I think they were so eager to nail Michael and so happy that VG provided them with "information" that they didn't realize or didn't want to realize the elephant in the room.
 
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could you give me a link to that?
jamba said:
VindicateMJ did a post on how Blanca could not have seen anything in the shower due to the way the bathroom is set up.
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Accusing Michael of child molestation was never about justice. It was always about putting him in his place.

If it was about justice, NO-ONE would have worked with VG, but would have worked just as hard to have VG convicted, as they did Michael!
 
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