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Is the Estate still planning to release HIStory Tour 3D?

I would be happy to buy a HIStory tour dvd, but I think it should be a more low-key release mostly intended for fans. The problem for me is if they really intend to release this in theaters. It would probably be seen by people who haven’t seen Michael’s other tours, and they would get the impression that Michael always lipsynced.

I’ve already noticed that some non-fans think that Michael lipsynced his tours. I’ve seen people defend current pop stars lipsyncing by saying things like “Michael Jackson lipsynced too and everyone still thinks he’s a great performer”. At least they give him credit for being a great performer, but it’s a shame if people don’t realize that he did sing live too.
 
Sunwalker7;3905722 said:
I would be happy to buy a HIStory tour dvd, but I think it should be a more low-key release mostly intended for fans. The problem for me is if they really intend to release this in theaters. It would probably be seen by people who haven’t seen Michael’s other tours, and they would get the impression that Michael always lipsynced.

I’ve already noticed that some non-fans think that Michael lipsynced his tours. I’ve seen people defend current pop stars lipsyncing by saying things like “Michael Jackson lipsynced too and everyone still thinks he’s a great performer”. At least they give him credit for being a great performer, but it’s a shame if people don’t realize that he did sing live too.
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Michael already earned the title of having a flawless live vocal in his shows! best example is New Orleans Destiny Tour & BAD Tour July 14th 88' @ Wembley (only amateur but it's far better than July 16th!!!!) people wanted to see Michael Dance mostly when they went to see him on Tour.. it wasn't all about the live singing for most of The crowd, I remember reading that somewhere but I'd like Michael to be in the zone in the show that's released. I'd say 1996 show or Copenhagen 1997! it wouldn't be a bad thing to see this tour. Especially a full concert in HD which we don't yet have. I just don't think we should complain, each release is another gift IMO.
 
analogue;3905720 said:
Nobody here is tearing the HIStory Tour apart. Infact many of us have said that we would be happy to see the HIStory Tour released but as a low key DVD/Blu Ray release for the fans. What we are against is releasing the HIStory Tour to theaters. For such a big scale release MJ needs to be shown at his best and while the HIStory Tour was good it was not him at his best.

Do you really want HIStory Tour Munich (Which is the weakest performance on the HIStory Tour) to represent Michael as a live performer to the general public?
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Yes, the ones who are against that release are doing it when the reality is that NOBODY knows ANY detail, the ones I already mentioned or if it's a confirmed release but some of you are giving opinions like you knew. It seems you didn't read my previous posts stating I'd love to see the 3 tours released on that scale but if they chose HIStory they could edit the concert putting live vocals if needed. Another fact is NO ONE attended every single show to assure Michael only sang live 2 songs.

I also stated earlier it'd be better if they had indeed more HD concerts because in München Michael looks sick.
 
Zakk said:
Michael already earned the title of having a flawless live vocal in his shows! best example is New Orleans Destiny Tour & BAD Tour July 14th 88' @ Wembley (only amateur but it's far better than July 16th!!!!) people wanted to see Michael Dance mostly when they went to see him on Tour.. it wasn't all about the live singing for most of The crowd, I remember reading that somewhere but I'd like Michael to be in the zone in the show that's released. I'd say 1996 show or Copenhagen 1997! it wouldn't be a bad thing to see this tour. Especially a full concert in HD which we don't yet have. I just don't think we should complain, each release is another gift IMO.
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We are the ones who are paying our money towards these releases. So if the estate plans to release something that we strongly disagree with then we have every right to complain about their decision.

I won't just blindly take and accept anything that has the name Michael Jackson on it
 
analogue said:
He lip synced on the HIStory Tour because he had laryngitis. His age had nothing to do with it. Hell it's been said that he wanted to sing live as much as possible for This Is It and he was 50 at that time.

Also while the fans are more understanding and forgiving of MJ's lip syncing (Because of laryngitis) the general public won't be and he will be ripped apart for it.

The HIStory Tour should NOT represent Michael as a live performer
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You guys realize that the laryngitis thing was some PR excuse right? What, he had laryngitis the whole length of the tour? But he could still go "aow" and "ooh-hoo" between the songs? Did he have laryngitis everytime, in his later years, he had to perform live but mimed to the freakin' CD instead?
 
kreen said:
You guys realize that the laryngitis thing was some PR excuse right? What, he had laryngitis the whole length of the tour? But he could still go "aow" and "ooh-hoo" between the songs? Did he have laryngitis everytime, in his later years, he had to perform live but mimed to the freakin' CD instead?
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Well you could tell that something wasn't right with his voice. Just listen to how rough and scratchy his voice sounds when he sings Wanna Be Startin Somethin and parts of Billie Jean and Beat It. Maybe Laryngitis wasn't the problem but something didn't sound right
 
kreen said:
You guys realize that the laryngitis thing was some PR excuse right? What, he had laryngitis the whole length of the tour? But he could still go "aow" and "ooh-hoo" between the songs? Did he have laryngitis everytime, in his later years, he had to perform live but mimed to the freakin' CD instead?
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Right? I cringe when people jump up and rather defiantly scream that HE HAD LARYNGITIS.
It's like, really? For the entire duriation of the tour (including the breaks) he had laryngitis? No.
And if people throw out the excuse that he was dancing too much, then what about the slower songs when he's not moving around too much?

It's not the end of the world or anything, but I wish he sang more songs live on that tour.
Stranger In Moscow and You Are Not Alone in particular I desperately wanted to be fully live!! Even the backup singers were lip synching!
The best part of YANA is when he actually comes in live at the end.


Not just that, but I'm in general not a fan of the headset microphones.
They serve the purpose of being hands free, which can make you dance more. But the trade off is having to control your breath more so your not breathing really loudly into the mic.


But, anyway, I'd just want a History DVD/Blu Ray to be included with a re-issue of HIStory album. It could take the place of the greatest hits disc that it originally came with (with a 3rd disc of unreleased material. A live album would seem unnecessary).
 
We'd get SIM live if we got HWT rehearsals, that's 100% certain. Then we could see if he was vocally ok with it, but it could have been because he was using things to help him sleep. I'm no expert, so I don't know if they would cause things like that.
 
dam2040 said:
We'd get SIM live if we got HWT rehearsals, that's 100% certain. Then we could see if he was vocally ok with it, but it could have been because he was using things to help him sleep. I'm no expert, so I don't know if they would cause things like that.
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sim rehearsal sounds perfect! just listen to the snippet on YouTube, mesmeric symphony of Divine organisation and layers of the most beautifully god given talent
 
kreen said:
You guys realize that the laryngitis thing was some PR excuse right? What, he had laryngitis the whole length of the tour? But he could still go "aow" and "ooh-hoo" between the songs? Did he have laryngitis everytime, in his later years, he had to perform live but mimed to the freakin' CD instead?
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I don't know about the laryngitis and I would not call it a "PR excuse" when it did not come from an official MJ statement or something. It's just something that fans are spreading around.

But if you followed the AEG trial at least you should know that he had severe insomnia. I'd like to see anyone to perform, sing AND dance, do a high energy show that MJ was supposed to do while not being able to get proper sleep! Let's see how that goes for anyone! It's easy to sit behind your keyboard and be all judgemental.
 
respect77 said:
I don't know about the laryngitis and I would not call it a "PR excuse" when it did not come from an official MJ statement or something. It's just something that fans are spreading around.

But if you followed the AEG trial at least you should know that he had severe insomnia. I'd like to see anyone to perform, sing AND dance, do a high energy show that MJ was supposed to do while not being able to get proper sleep! Let's see how that goes for anyone! It's easy to sit behind your keyboard and be all judgemental.
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Let's give these people:
Insomnia
The press
Interviews
The stress of becoming a parent
80+ concert dates
Travelling
Adapting to time zones
Singing
Dancing
etc etc and see how they get on. I honestly wouldn't wish all that on anyone, such an immense workload, especially at the age of 38(?) after going through all he went through, and still come out smiling every night.
 
Then why go on tour?
There are other people who do all that and use their actual voice.

Touring isn't necessarily supposed to be a vacation. It's work.
 
If MJ was not confident with his voice live at that time due to various reasons, I can totally understand why. I mean, have you ever had a sore throat or even just slightly irritated? Your voice cracks so, so easily and it's just uncomfortable.

I will never blame him for lip syncing.
 
AtlasAir said:
Then why go on tour?
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Because he needed money, because he needed to promote his album, because Sony and his business partners pressured him to go on tour.


There are other people who do all that and use their actual voice.
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Do what? Have such insomnia that they are only able to sleep with propofol on a physically demanding tour?


Touring isn't necessarily supposed to be a vacation. It's work.
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Yeah, and despite of not singing Michael did work hard considering the circumstances. I guess he could have imagined a better "vacation" for himself than to have to sleep with Propofol every night and try to please his fans.

I don't want HIStory tour to be released to the cinemas, but I have empathy in me to realize why that went the way it did. Especially with the facts those came out from the AEG trial at least fans should be a bit more empathic.
 
AtlasAir said:
Yes. Lack of sleep on a tour is not something out of the ordinary.
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Did you follow the AEG trial? There was nothing ordinary in the severeness of Michael's insomnia. You now, the condition that eventually killed him... But yeah, it's so ordinary and he was just lazy not to sing because he wanted to be on a vacation rather than work. Alright.
 
I never said he was lazy or treated a tour as a vacation.

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respect77 said:
I don't know about the laryngitis and I would not call it a "PR excuse" when it did not come from an official MJ statement or something. It's just something that fans are spreading around.

But if you followed the AEG trial at least you should know that he had severe insomnia. I'd like to see anyone to perform, sing AND dance, do a high energy show that MJ was supposed to do while not being able to get proper sleep! Let's see how that goes for anyone! It's easy to sit behind your keyboard and be all judgemental.
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and to add to that he was traveling from country to country and had to deal with jet lag and different time zones
 
respect77 said:
Because he needed money, because he needed to promote his album, because Sony and his business partners pressured him to go on tour.




Do what? Have such insomnia that they are only able to sleep with propofol on a physically demanding tour?




Yeah, and despite of not singing Michael did work hard considering the circumstances. I guess he could have imagined a better "vacation" for himself than to have to sleep with Propofol every night and try to please his fans.

I don't want HIStory tour to be released to the cinemas, but I have empathy in me to realize why that went the way it did. Especially with the facts those came out from the AEG trial at least fans should be a bit more empathic.
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Amen.


Some of you guys should understand one thing... We do not underrate the HIStory Tour, nor we accuse Michael of not putting 100% effort into this tour. It's important to distinguish some statements.

Michael definitely gave 1000% to make the tour the best he could. But that doesn't change the thing that it was like 50-60% of what MJ's previous tours looked like. HIStory is just the weakest one regarding many different issues. And if we, the fans, want Mike to be seen as the best performer and artist ever, we just can't approve such release. The only tours that could hit the theatres are Bad and Dangerous (as Victory was in fact The Jacksons tour) so everyone can see Michael, as a solo artist, at his pick, in his absolutely best shape.
 
SmoothC21 said:
As far as I remember, Lepzing is also recorded in HD as the scene with the bug before J5 Medley is from this city. At least seems like it is...
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It's clearly upscaled, as is Munich. But as for Munich, it's source looks higher quality than Leipzig (obviously, it was shot on HD).
 
Michael never kept his sleeping issue a secret, people just didnt pay attention when he would talk about it... there has been a decent amount of interviews where he mentioned him not sleeping at night.. On tour it was at its highest point, understandably.. While insomnia is a fairly normal while touring for artists, Michael had insomnia off tour, so it was greatly hightened on the road.. (in his case in the air)

As far as the 3D thing goes, I am a bit both ways with it.. I mean yeah it would be cool but I think a normal release is great. The only part of the tour that would look really cool in 3D is the opening with the space ship.. Aside from that, there are bits and pieces, but that is with any tour.
 
I just had a thought. If the HIStory Tour was released in theaters then wouldn't it have to be given a high age rating because the Werewolf transformation scene at the start of the Thriller performance may be too scary for kids to see? I don't know how ratings work in other countries but Thriller got a 15 in the UK
 
lolNo, it would not have a high rating.
It's really rather tame.
If a rating at all, it would be PG in the states and whatever the equivalent is in the UK, simply for the suggestive choreography and "scary" imagery for Thriller.

But comparing a live version to the music video is like night and day, in terms of ratings.
 
^ I would guess PG13.. the dancing, the warewolf portion,the F word in Scream, and the words in they don't care about us..

its funny the different topics we do in one thread!
 
They should include the spaceship video on its own as a special feature. That would work in 3D with it coming at the screen at the end.
 
AtlasAir said:
lolNo, it would not have a high rating.
It's really rather tame.
If a rating at all, it would be PG in the states and whatever the equivalent is in the UK, simply for the suggestive choreography and "scary" imagery for Thriller.

But comparing a live version to the music video is like night and day, in terms of ratings.
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The Werewolf transformation may be tame to adults but for kids it could be scary
 
PG-13 only if the f*ck is in it, but definitely NOT for the werewolf bit.

15 is ridiculously high for the UK ratings, though. It would be MUCH lower. There's scarier stuff on daytime children's shows these days.
 
The standards by which the BBFC make their rulings change with the changing times and attitudes of the public.

That said, it appears Thriller was most recently re-classified in the mid 00s (perhaps co-inciding with Thriller 25) and it appears to have retained it's 15 certificate for what they describe as 'moderate horror'.

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/michael-jacksons-thriller-2006
 
Yeah, the music video I can understand, but not the live performances on any of the tours.
 
AtlasAir said:
Yeah, the music video I can understand, but not the live performances on any of the tours.
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What I believe analogue was referring to in the original post you replied to was the 'werewolf transformation' scene at the start of the Thriller performance on the HIStory tour. You'll remember the two screens joining at the back of the stage and playing various edited sequences from the Thriller video.
 
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