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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

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respect77 said:
He bought most of those "likes" for money. Plus he did a competition promising to give away a camera or something like that among people who liked his FB page. It was all discussed here before. The guy is a pathetic, obsessed hater. He doesn't give a damn about Wade, he just pretends to care and uses him to further his MJ hating agenda. Nor do these people care about the truth. If they did then they would not do such questionable things as hacking Lisa Marie Presley's twitter account or harrassing people around MJ on Twitter and trying to get people who were close to MJ as kids to say he molested them. And you should see them when they refuse to say that! Then they keep trashing and harrassing that person like they did with Brett Barnes and Corey Feldman. They are nothing but a bunch Internet bullies and trolls.

Wade Robson filed a lawsuit against Michael in may claiming he just realized about a year ago that he was molested by Michael Jackson as a child for 7 years. To be precise he claims he knew all along, he was just "unable and unwilling" to realize it was abuse. Even though he testified for MJ at a criminal trial as an adult apparently he just did not realize he was abused, until 2012 when he had a breakdown due to a prophecy MJ made to him about Wade becoming a bigger director than Steven Spielberg. Then all of a sudden it occured to him that he was molested by MJ. Of course, the only way to heal for him now is to be financed by MJ's Estate for life, basically.
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Thank you for all that respect77 ! I've already given my thoughts on Wade. In regards to the hater ? Jesus, some people need to get a life. We should probably just ignore them tbqh instead of posting their tweets here as we're doing nothing but fuelling the trolls.
 
10 Tidbits From Corey Feldman’s Memoir

6. Corey Feldman and Michael Jackson once went to Disneyland in disguise. To avoid being spotted during their trip to the amusement park, Feldman wore aviator sunglasses and a faux mustache, while Jackson donned a fake nose (!), sunglasses, and “a giant afro.” The close friends stayed for the entire evening without being recognized. They got a last-minute room to stay overnight, and when Jackson realized the room contained only one bed, he ordered a cot for himself and insisted Feldman take the bed. Throughout the book, as he has previously, Feldman maintains that Jackson never acted inappropriately toward him nor, to his knowledge, other children. “He was adamantly against drugs and alcohol, he was extremely straight-laced; I couldn’t even swear around him,” he writes. “Being with Michael brought me back to my innocence.”

http://www.vulture.com/2013/10/10-stories-from-corey-feldman-memoir-coreyography.html

Which was the sole purpose of "Neverland," to bring back the innocence of Childhood...

Michael Jackson - Childhood (Michael Jackson's Vision)


[video=youtube;3lZ3IPVOi6Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lZ3IPVOi6Q[/video]
 
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Paragraph 58: "rather than continue on his path and become an international superstar"

What a remarkable statement! I reckon he should be blaming Jamie King rather than Michael for his lack of superstardom.
 
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Yeah, he's so full of himself.
 
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This may be completely inaccurate (just my opinion), but did Aphrodite Jones actually cover the Chandler case (responses from respect77 and qbee would confirm this due to their extensive knowledge). If she did not cover this case then she cannot give any definitive answer to the questions on this case.
 
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Aphrodite Jones believed MJ was guilty until she heard the jury say he wasn't. The only thing she knows about the Chandler case is pretty much what everyone else heard (the media's version) not the truth! That's why it's ridiculous for her to say she ain't sure about his innocence on 93 but, defend the 03 allegations against him! What is she and people like Geraldo Rivera (who is of the same opinion as she when it comes to 93) tryin to say? That in their opinion a pedo was falsely accuse in 03 but wasn't in 93?! SMH If so just say so and stop wasting peoples time with ur fakesness pls! You can't have it both ways!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just F**k Wade!!! He's just.... There's not a word for this dirt bag and that's a word, yet it's no where near what my mind is wanting to conjour up for Wade!
 
MJJ Fan4321;3928846 said:
This may be completely inaccurate (just my opinion), but did Aphrodite Jones actually cover the Chandler case (responses from respect77 and qbee would confirm this due to their extensive knowledge). If she did not cover this case then she cannot give any definitive answer to the questions on this case.
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No, she did not cover the Chandler case. All her knowledge about the Chandler case is based on what was said in court in 2005 and that's not much since only June testified in 2005. And she didn't say much. The most "damning" part of her testimony was what AJ cites now, that part in which she claimed one night in Las Vegas in a hotel Michael was "shaking, crying, trembling" amongst demands for June to let Jordan sleep in his bed. This is why AJ says she has doubts about the 1993 case. But I don't know why she all of a sudden wants to take anything that June said at face value, when she talked lengthy about it in her own book how selective this woman's memory was on the stand.

And if AJ did not just rely on what was claimed by June on the stand, but did a little investigation she would find that June's story of this event contradicts Jordan's own version, which he told to Dr Gardner in 1993. In that he and Michael watched a horror movie and because Jordan was scared Michael let him sleep in his room. It was after that - so in the hindsight of Jordan having slept in MJ's room - that this confrontation happened between Michael and June and that's when Michael cried. Obviously because he felt June did not trust him. In fact, on cross-examination June admitted that the conversation revolved around trust issues:

10 Q. Did you have any problem at that time

11 letting your son go to Cirque du Soleil with Mr.

12 Jackson?

13 A. No.

14 Q. And did your son stay with Mr. Jackson that

15 evening, to your knowledge?

16 A. To my knowledge, yes.

17 Q. Okay. You told the prosecutor that Mr.

18 Jackson got upset at one point about your not

19 trusting him, right?

20 A. Correct.

21 Q. And he said words to you to the effect that,

22 “We’re family,” right?

23 A. Correct.

24 Q. You suggested that you let Jordie sleep

25 wherever he wants to sleep, right?

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. And you told him, “Look, I’ve had two

28 husbands that I can’t trust,” right? 5689



1 A. Correct.

2 Q. You said, “I think you’re a wonderful

3 person, but I can’t let my trust down,” right?

4 A. Correct.

5 Q. And you described Michael as saying that he

6 was going to take care of you, right?

7 A. No.

8 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, excuse me, I’m

9 going to object as vague as to point in time of the

10 conversation.

11 MR. MESEREAU: Sure. Sure.

12 Q. When was the conversation where Michael got

13 upset because he didn’t think you trusted him?

14 A. In Las Vegas in the hotel room.

15 Q. Okay. You said to Michael, “I’ve had males

16 in my life that, you know, have disappointed me.

17 How can I have you in my life and you’re saying that

18 you’re going to take care of us, that you’re so

19 wonderful, everything’s going to be okay, how am I

20 going to do that?”

21 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, I’m going to

22 object to counsel reading from the document.

23 MR. MESEREAU: I haven’t finished the

24 question yet, Your Honor.

25 MR. SNEDDON: Well, he’s reading --

26 THE COURT: Well, all right, what is the

27 question?

28 MR. MESEREAU: I was going to ask her if she 5690



1 made that statement.

2 THE COURT: All right. You may.

3 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Did you make a statement

4 to that effect?

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. And Michael said to you he wanted a family

7 to just treat him like a regular person, right?

8 A. Correct.

9 Q. He said he didn’t want to be like a

10 stranger, right?

11 A. Correct.

12 Q. And he asked you to trust him, right?

13 A. Yeah.
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I think if you're gonna be successful at defending Michael's innocence, then you have to be knowledgeable about both cases. What a shame. :mello:
 
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It doesn't matter if she covered the Chandler case or not-investigative/crime reporters usually don't cover the actual cases, but base their published reports, books on evidence and documents, depositions, testimony they read and research. It's ridiculous for her to even imply this and I am ashamed of her. I'm actually really disgusted and enraged and being ashamed is the nicest thing I could think to say.
 
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CaptainEoLove85 said:
I think if you're gonna be successful at defending Michael's innocence, then you have to be knowledgeable about both cases.
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Absolutely, which is why I could never get her and Geraldo defending MJ on the 03 allegations only! If they truly wanted people to take them serious then best be they know their stuff about both cases, right?! It's really disappointing! But, glad the truth came out and maybe now she can just go away! Cause she is no help saying B.S like that! Seems as though this Wade crap shook her more then she wants to admit and is on backtracking mode just to protect her rep!
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I missed what AJ said, but assuming it was something along the lines of her not knowing the facts of 1993 and not knowing if Michael was guilty or innocent of the accusations then I have a theory. Could it not be that she's trying to suggest to the doubters that she is not biased and not a blind supporter of MJ?

If she came out and said she believed MJ was innocent in 1993 as well, and later, as an investigative journalist, was exposed as having done no investigation whatsoever, wouldn't it then reduce the validity of her work in 2005 as well?

Then again, I'm not exactly sure of what she is meant to have said...
 
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I wish that Jordan Chandler would come forward and tell the truth. The 1993 false allegations are the most damaging to MJ's legacy. If Jordan Chandler told the truth it would make all the difference in the world. Too bad he's a coward
 
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ChrisC said:
I missed what AJ said, but assuming it was something along the lines of her not knowing the facts of 1993 and not knowing if Michael was guilty or innocent of the accusations then I have a theory. Could it not be that she's trying to suggest to the doubters that she is not biased and not a blind supporter of MJ?

If she came out and said she believed MJ was innocent in 1993 as well, and later, as an investigative journalist, was exposed as having done no investigation whatsoever, wouldn't it then reduce the validity of her work in 2005 as well?

Then again, I'm not exactly sure of what she is meant to have said...
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I would be alright if she just said: "I did not investigate that case, I have no idea" because that would be fair. But she said based on June's testimony she felt MJ was in love with Jordan. I mean WTF?

June never said MJ was in love with Jordan, so I don't even know where that comes from from June's testimony. That MJ spent a lot of time with the Chandlers at the time? And that can be only explained by him being in love with Jordan? He spent a lot of time with families like that, the Chandlers were not special at all. And I already addressed that lie that June told on the stand about MJ "crying, shaking, trembling" while allegedly demanding Jordan to sleep in his bed. When the same party tells two different versions of a story, like it's the case here, then an investigative journalist should at least be suspicious of those claims and not accept them at face value. Especially when she otherwise described June as an unimpressive witness.

I kind of suspect she read some shitty book (either JRT or Sullivan) and that was what influenced her.
 
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analogue said:
I wish that Jordan Chandler would come forward and tell the truth. The 1993 false allegations are the most damaging to MJ's legacy. If Jordan Chandler told the truth it would make all the difference in the world. Too bad he's a coward
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He's enjoying the millionaire lifestyle on Michael's blood money, he will never mess that up. Some people just have no morals.
 
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respect77 said:
He's enjoying the millionaire lifestyle on Michael's blood money, he will never mess that up. Some people just have no morals.
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Like father like son
 
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respect77 said:
I kind of suspect she read some shitty book (either JRT or Sullivan) and that was what influenced her.
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She mentions having read The Magic And The Madness in the acknowledgements of Conspiracy.
 
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respect77 said:
He's enjoying the millionaire lifestyle on Michael's blood money, he will never mess that up. Some people just have no morals.
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One day karma will come looking for him.
 
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marebear said:
One day karma will come looking for him.
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I don't believe in Karma. Michael is dead, while all the people who lied about him for money are living their lives happy, untouched, fully supported by the media. Does that look like Karma exists for you?
 
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Freakin disgusting that she dared to say MJ was in love with Jordan, ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING! Base on what?! There was nothing extra special about Jordan! MJ had many child friends he spend longer time with, until their adulthood lives even. For example the Cascio's! But, AJ is just taking like another tabloid Journo now! DONE with her! Hope she stop gettin interviewed about MJ! She's no help anymore to MJ IMO, only to the lying accusers! Great job, girly! Go back to FUX news with that mess! -_-
 
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I think these ppl are in love with the idea of Michael being a pedophile. Aphrodite always gave off faux vibes for some reason imo. Never liked her too much and thought of her as a flipflopper.. turns out my gut was right.
 
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respect77 said:
I don't believe in Karma. Michael is dead, while all the people who lied about him for money are living their lives happy, untouched, fully supported by the media. Does that look like Karma exists for you?
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That angers me a lot and I can't describe in words how much all those people make me sick what they have done. I do believe what goes around comes around. It may take a long time but it will come to them in some way.
 
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respect77 said:
I would be alright if she just said: "I did not investigate that case, I have no idea" because that would be fair. But she said based on June's testimony she felt MJ was in love with Jordan. I mean WTF?

I kind of suspect she read some shitty book (either JRT or Sullivan) and that was what influenced her.
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If she is that easily influenced by a trashy book, then she lost all credibility as a crime reporter. I'm sorry I bought her book and watched a few episodes of her show-never again.
 
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It is very clear that Gavin Arvizo had cancer, this is why Michael Jackson cared for this young man. Oprah Winfrey even talked about Michael helping kid's with cancer back in 1993. What a total act of betrayal. Michael Jackson cared so much for Gavin, that Gavin's cancer was cured.

Instead of showing appreciation, the Arvizo's decided they wanted Michael's lifestyle and since it worked for the Chandler's, why couldn't it work for the Arvizo's. How agonizing to be blamed for something so heinous, because Michael cared to help a sick child, someone dying of cancer.

Lazarus was very thankful when Jesus brought him back to life. Lazarus didn't do something so deceitful as Gavin Arvizo did.

betrayal - an act of deliberate disloyalty
 
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such a shame.. I don't know how Gavin can live with himself to be honest.
 
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analogue said:
I wish that Jordan Chandler would come forward and tell the truth. The 1993 false allegations are the most damaging to MJ's legacy. If Jordan Chandler told the truth it would make all the difference in the world. Too bad he's a coward
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He is indeed a coward, he should stop being a coward and tell the whole world the truth and man up. Otherwise karma is going to keep haunting him for the rest of life if he keeps on cowaring and hiding.
 
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PoP said:
He is indeed a coward, he should stop being a coward and tell the whole world the truth and man up. Otherwise karma is going to keep haunting him for the rest of life if he keeps on cowaring and hiding.
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He is an evil coward and I hope he will at least get what he deserves once he dies. I have given up on justice in life.

I don't believe in Karma. Michael is dead, while all the people who lied about him for money are living their lives happy, untouched, fully supported by the media. Does that look like Karma exists for you?
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AMEN!
You are taking the words out of my mouth. We always say Karma, this Karma that, but nothing these people are living their lives, happy, healthy and most importantly they are being ALIVE. While Michael is rotting away in that mausoleum at Forrest Lawn
 
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