Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.
I think I clearly explained that. This is not a matter of downloading those leaks. It's the latter statements. and for the record it's not my site, it's not my staff, it's not my decision.
What are the 'latter statements' you keep referring to? The issue I had was folk getting on their soapbox about how it's illegal this and illegal that and wagging the finger. But you don't ever download anything so fairplay to you, you are entitled to do that - however one could argue there's a hypocrisy in working somewhere where you don't agree with the activities that are supported/carried out/promoted, no?
Well simple logic doesn't need explanation in my book but if you need me to spell it out I will too. Estate and Sony owns these songs and they can do whatever they want with them. While releasing albums they would try to release the best songs and release as many albums as they can. That's the way for them to satisfy their hundred million dollar deals and keep earning money in the long term. They aren't going to consider how a small number of fans have illegally obtained and listened to the songs. They aren't going to arrange their business activities based on someone's illegal actions, they aren't going to reward such fans, they aren't going to punish other fans / public who haven't downloaded / heard the songs just because some small group have listened to the songs and most definitely they aren't going to hurt their profit capacity. That's why no one is going to do that.
What's the relevance of stating the Estate can do 'whatever they want with them'? Like they're doing us a favour by releasing them? As you've said they're a business, and my view is that it's good business sense to try to appeal to the largest amount of people - that INCLUDES as much of the diehard fans as possible. You may consider it a small group of people and therefore they are irrelevant to you, that's fine, but I don't think that makes very good business sense - I mean, what are the disadvantages of including more unleaked material than leaked? There's a clear disadvantage of including nearly all leaked tracks - some people won't buy it lol. I don't think the Estate run things with punishment/reward in mind. That's absurd.
the expectation of them considering the leaked songs is also quite delusional. What do you expect them to say /do to be honest? " We are sorry that you stole these songs and listened to those and to make up for it there are the songs who didn't hear before.". Does that even make any sense to you? Realistically?
Are you addressing me directly there? I don't get it? I've said several times now that the situation where people are turned off because the vast majority of songs are already in the public domain and that situation could have been avoided if they addressed the balance. Why do you assume I expect them to 'say' anything?
nope I did not say that either.
I said I understood 'the' argument. I did not attribute it to you. Several people said in the thread that people should now be paying for them as they now commercially available. With regards the 'either', what else was it I incorrectly claimed you said?
Again is we are fans of MJ that should be an unacceptable thing to suggest right?
I am against downloading commercially available material for free. But if someone feels completely frustrated at the decisions made, and given the Estate's poor track record, I can understand that this may make them feel like their voice is being heard. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest. And I'm not gonna sit here wagging my finger at them. As I said before, this is a two way street and somebody deliberately tried to deceive us before to get money out of us. This resulted in a break down of this relationship.
I don't have any wish to continue this discussion with quoting and all the rest of it, I don't come here for that and I don't have the time for it. Despite the condescending nature of some of your points, I respect them. I won't be continuing further, but if you intend on quoting/replying again rest assured I will certainly read it.
