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Those are the 3 tracks that MJ wrote/co-wrote on the album. That once again shows that the songs MJ is involved with when it comes to songwriting will always be his best
Well, Human Nature and Man in the Mirror are among my (and I think many people's) favourites. I do agree generally speaking though.
 
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And I think Rod had Michael's voice and tastes down. Rock with You will always be in my top 5.
 
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Can we stop going off topic, I think Disc one should be all original, original pressing. Disc two should be Demos, Unreleased & Sunset Driver. Then a dvd of Triumph with bonus features. There are some videos of MJ recording Off The Wall, maybe if they had them, they could use those.
 
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^^You're going off-topic yourself, the original topic was an discussion about Spike's unofficial Off The Wall Documentary confirmation...
 
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^^You're going off-topic yourself, the original topic was an discussion about Spike's unofficial Off The Wall Documentary confirmation...

Lol, nitpicking.. but yes.. you are speaking the truth matey ;)
 
Tygger;4057803 said:
Agreed. This album was quite successful at the time, not obscure and deserves a full length documentary. I do hope that a documentary about OTW will be completed and will include Quincy Jones. Regardless of how Jones may/may not feel now and any legal issue he currently has with the Estate, the pairing was historic and should be documented.

It would be remiss not to mention what was happening in Michael’s life at the time; it was similar to a coming-of-age. There should be in-depth discussion about his quest for artistic independence and his desire and drive to prove himself as a solo artist. It must include The Wiz, what he achieved with his brothers with Destiny and Triumph for comparison (and entertainment) purposes, how it was promoted (Suzuki commercials, Diana Ross' special, the Chase interview, RS interview, etc), each video/short film (DSTYGE/RWY/SOOML: this is a MUST) and lastly – and hopefully – an abundance of archival, concert, and backstage concert footage. OTW was extremely successful for Michael despite not winning a Grammy and it should end with Michael’s desire to top himself which, of course, he did with Thriller.

I have no issue with contemporaries being included however; I would hope they would be more accurate and present for good reason. Questlove stated the Bad tour was the first stadium/arena tour for an African-American artist when Victory was the first stadium/arena tour for any artist of any race/culture. I also did not feel enough time was spent discussing the Bad tour; the work behind it, the achievements. I believe Bieber only appeared because L.A. Reid/Sony wanted to promote his artist which is disrespectful to Michael.

If this documentary comes to fruition – and I truly hope it does – I hope it will be distributed similar to the way I hoped the Bad25 documentary would have been distributed after airing on television. It should be a cd/dvd offering that includes the OTW album (most likely the same track list of the special edition unless there are unreleased songs available from the era) and the Spike Lee documentary. A second offering should include a live concert (Triumph although it would be grand to have Destiny AND Triumph so viewers can see the growth Michael had as an artist) and accompanying live cds (please do not condense a full concert to one cd again).
Yes, yes, yes. This is exactly what the OTW doc should be!!!! We need to figure out a way to get your post to Spike somehow.

PS-about the first arena tour. I just took Questlove to mean the first solo one. But what about Earth, Wind and Fire? Weren't they the first? I never saw them myself, although I could have. But Michael talked about the "competition" in tours in his book, and they were a band he named, so I thought they could be the first.
I actually don't know the difference between arena tours and concerts-is it just the size of the venue?
 
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Is it possible they could release this off the wall special before years end? Dangerous 25 should come out in 2016 and i would want more time in between releases.
 
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Is it possible they could release this off the wall special before years end? Dangerous 25 should come out in 2016 and i would want more time in between releases.

No one really said there would be a Dangerous 25. That's just fan speculation. Of course, no one said there would be an Off The Wall re-release either. We will have to wait and see.
 
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Is it possible they could release this off the wall special before years end? Dangerous 25 should come out in 2016 and i would want more time in between releases.

I doubt very much they can make such a documentary on just 1 month. - They need to contact a lot of people, make interviews - get the rights to different footage maybe, find studio footage, maybe some tour footage from the time etc. etc. a lot of reschearh will be needed too. - If they rush it to be able to release it before years end I fear the result would be thereafter - not perfect.

Rather do it like MJ always did - take your time and make the perfect product. If this doc is released in mid 2015 and Dangerous 25 is released late 2016 I see no problem. - and BAD 25 doc was also released some months after the actual BAD25 album was released if I remember correct. - So that means OTW doc could be released early 2017. - That makes room for a lot of time in between releases.
 
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I doubt very much they can make such a documentary on just 1 month. - They need to contact a lot of people, make interviews - get the rights to different footage maybe, find studio footage, maybe some tour footage from the time etc. etc. a lot of reschearh will be needed too. - If they rush it to be able to release it before years end I fear the result would be thereafter - not perfect.

We don't know when Spike started to work on the project. Maybe he's already working several months on this. Maybe he just kept it quiet while Xscape promotion was on. I'm sure Sony and Estate already made a deal in 2010 what projects will be released within that 10 projects deal. So if they knew that OTW project was next they could have hired Spike a long time ago.
 
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I've read a lot of good ideas on hear. Let's remember not to expect too much tho, keep expectations realistic. We know all too well about let downs. Let's not set ourselves up for another
 
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I really hope it's true. - Can't wait for official confirmation.

If anyone here is in contact with MJ Online team or Estate - please ask them! :)
 
OnirMJ/InvincibleTal, allow me to clarify. If there is not a live cd to go with the concert footage, the blame goes to Sony. Destiny/Triumph are both Epic/Sony offerings. Triumph Live (a grand cd) is on Epic/Sony also. I personally would like to see a FULL concert offering (two cds not one) for at least one of these tours to accompany the OTW documentary IF it actually will be completed. If a Triumph concert is one day officially released, it would be a disservice to not release full cds to match the concert. That is Sony’s responsibility.

As for the video of Destiny/Triumph tours, that is the Estate’s responsibility. If you truly believe the same brothers you are referring to would say no to the release of a tour they were a part of only because of any issue any individual brother may or may not still have with the Estate, you simply are deluding yourselves. Those same brothers received royalties from Immortal. Those same brothers supported the TII film and did vocals for TII. Those same brothers were agreeable with the clips from the Victory tour (Randy AND Jermaine were a part of that tour) on their Vevo channel while Sony, who owns the channel, had it removed. Who uploaded it, I have no clue however; I am sure Sony removed it.

In your scenario, you were only able to target one brother which would be 1/5 of the vote. The Jacksons are legendary for their family voting process; the majority wins.

The Estate has been very resistant to any mention of Michael’s career with his brothers which is a disservice to his full musical legacy. Their focus is on parts of his solo career so it is his Estate (and Sony) that has no interest in the release of any tour Michael did with his brothers.

By the way, Sony only has one Jacksons’ video on the Vevo channel. It is the only video that the Jacksons did without Michael. Indeed.



Barbee0715, thank you however, we have not heard any confirmation from the Estate so I agree with Smooth72 and Hess that we may be setting ourselves for disappointment (again). I vaguely remember Lee being upset he could not complete a film about the effect of Michael's passing on fictional Brooklyn residents. Most likely the Estate did not allow him to use footage of Michael in the film.

Stadiums are usually for outdoor sporting events while arenas are usually indoor sporting events. The Jacksons were the first to have a stadium/arena tour meaning every date was performed in a stadium/arena. This was not so for EWF. I have seen them live and as I understand it, Michael was referring to their amazing, high energy stage shows.



Unfortunately, I forgot to mention that the documentary must include discussion about the iconic album art. This was Michael's true, adult solo effort yet, the album cover was very much like a wall poster that is often used for teen idols.
 
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The story behind the album art is pretty fascinating too. This whole episode in Michael's life is extremely fascinating in every aspect.
He was still very much part of the family (still writing and touring with the brothers and happily, Janet and randy helping with his demos etc) but becoming his own person more and more every day. I give getting the part on the Wiz and moving off to NYC with Latoya a lot of credit for the new independence and confidence.
 
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love reading everyones ideas! I'm geeked and can't wait to see what spike does!
 
Tygger;4058125 said:
OnirMJ/InvincibleTal, allow me to clarify. If there is not a live cd to go with the concert footage, the blame goes to Sony. Destiny/Triumph are both Epic/Sony offerings. Triumph Live (a grand cd) is on Epic/Sony also. I personally would like to see a FULL concert offering (two cds not one) for at least one of these tours to accompany the OTW documentary IF it actually will be completed. If a Triumph concert is one day officially released, it would be a disservice to not release full cds to match the concert. That is Sony’s responsibility.

As for the video of Destiny/Triumph tours, that is the Estate’s responsibility.

You obviously don't read what I say. Are we talking about audio concerts or video footage here? Either way Sony HAS NO RIGHTS to Michael Jackson OR JACKSONS live recordings or footage EXCEPT - Dangerous Bucharest, HIStory Munchen & now Bad Wembley and of course that CD they've released from the Triumph Tour. It doesn't matter if Destiny, Triumph, Victory, Bad... were released under their label. That only means that they have rights to recorded music for those albums, NOT live performances, NOT live footage, except few concerts I mentioned.

So Sony can't be blamed in any way if any tour (audio or video) (except concerts I mentioned) is not being released! They are not the owner of those performances and footage and they have absolutely no rights to it. Exactly the same thing happened with Bad Wembley. Estate (the owner of the footage and performance) had to first find the video and multitracks and ONLY THEN they approached Sony for its commercial release and distribution. And ONLY AFTER they sign a deal, Sony was granted distribution rights for the concert performance and footage.
 
Tygger;4058125 said:
The Estate has been very resistant to any mention of Michael’s career with his brothers which is a disservice to his full musical legacy. Their focus is on parts of his solo career so it is his Estate (and Sony) that has no interest in the release of any tour Michael did with his brothers.

That is just wrong.
 
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What are all the documented outtakes from this era?
 
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What are all the documented outtakes from this era?

It's hard to tell, but i'd love to see some studio footage! especially when Michael dressed up as Charlie Chaplin..
 
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What are all the documented outtakes from this era?

Sunset Driver (released)
Goin' To Rio
Holiday Inn
Thank You For Life
Iowa
Ode To Sorrow
Susie
In The Life Of Chico

I think there are more, especially Destiny & Triumph outtakes as well as some songs recorded before Off The Wall sessions (1975-1977) that can be used for this release.

Triumph outtakes:
Slipped Away (Michael Jackson, Marlon Jackson)
That Girl (Michael Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Randy Jackson, Jackie Jackson, Tito Jackson)
Why Can't I Be (Michael Jackson)
 
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Sunset Driver (released)
Goin' To Rio
Holiday Inn
Thank You For Life
Iowa
Ode To Sorrow
Susie
In The Life Of Chico

I think there are more, especially Destiny & Triumph outtakes as well as some songs recorded before Off The Wall sessions (1975-1977) that can be used for this release.

Triumph outtakes:
Slipped Away (Michael Jackson, Marlon Jackson)
That Girl (Michael Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Randy Jackson, Jackie Jackson, Tito Jackson)
Why Can't I Be (Michael Jackson)

Do you know who the original source is of naming the supposed otw outtakes? or are you just saying what is generally said across the internet? do you know if an engineer or producer close to Michael on an obscure website said many years ago that these was their names? Because we know invincible outtakes are only known because of Darkchilds old website so im just curious how we came to know the OTW names.
 
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Sunset Driver (released)
Goin' To Rio
Holiday Inn
Thank You For Life
Iowa
Ode To Sorrow
Susie
In The Life Of Chico

I think there are more, especially Destiny & Triumph outtakes as well as some songs recorded before Off The Wall sessions (1975-1977) that can be used for this release.

Triumph outtakes:
Slipped Away (Michael Jackson, Marlon Jackson)
That Girl (Michael Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Randy Jackson, Jackie Jackson, Tito Jackson)
Why Can't I Be (Michael Jackson)

I'm interested in Why Can't I Be & those other 7 unreleased tracks, regardless of the state of completion.. i think they deserve to be heard by everyone.. of course Goin' To Rio could be on a future album, but i just think Off The Wall outtakes are too early to be on ''latest albums'' when there are many more tracks from Thriller - 2008.
 
Dilan;4058288 said:
Do you know who the original source is of naming the supposed otw outtakes? or are you just saying what is generally said across the internet? do you know if an engineer or producer close to Michael on an obscure website said many years ago that these was their names? Because we know invincible outtakes are only known because of Darkchilds old website so im just curious how we came to know the OTW names.

Michael Jackson: For The Record
Chris Cadman & Craig Halstead

GOIN’ TO RIO
Song written by Michael with Carole Bayer Sager circa 1976, and considered for his album, OFF THE WALL
Cited by Michael in his court disposition in November 1993 – remains unreleased.

HOLIDAY INN
Song written by Michael in 1976, and registered with the United States Copyright Office in November 1984 – remains unreleased.

THANK YOU FOR LIFE
Song written by Michael circa 1976, but failed to make his album, OFF THE WALL.
Registered with the United States Copyright Office in November 1984.
Also cited by Michael in his court disposition in 1984, and again in his court disposition in November 1993 – remains unreleased.

IOWA
Piece of classical music written by Michael, as confirmed by his sister Janet, in an interview with Q
magazine in 1993 – remains unreleased.
‘He (Michael) has a song called Iowa, that he wrote – people will never hear that song,’ said Janet. ‘Just before he left to film The Wiz, he put all the songs he had written on to tape in the studio in our parents’ house. Not one of them has been heard and those were songs to cry for. These are the things that he’s written for orchestras, that are classical music – like something by Bach or Beethoven.’

ODE TO SORROW
Song written by Michael in 1977, and registered with the United States Copyright Office in November 1984 – remains unreleased.

SUSIE
Song written by Michael in 1978, and registered with the United States Copyright Office in November 1984 – remains unreleased.

IN THE LIFE OF CHICO
One of five songs hand-written by Michael circa 1979 – lyrics included in a personal notebook, with young actor Mark Lester on the cover, that formed part of a 10,000+ piece collection of Jackson memorabilia
purchased by Universal Express and some of its entertainment partners, in November 2006.

SLIPPED AWAY
Song Michael wrote with brother Marlon circa 1980 – failed to make the Jacksons album, TRIUMPH, and remains unreleased.

THAT GIRL
Song written by Michael with brothers Jackie, Marlon, Randy and Tito.
Recorded circa 1978-80 by the Jacksons, but failed to make the albums, DESTINY or TRIUMPH – remains unreleased.

WHY CAN’T I BE
Song written by Michael in 1980, and registered with the United States Copyright Office in November 1984. Also cited by Michael in his court disposition in December 1984 – remains unreleased.
 
OnirMJ, I clarified my statement, please review:

Tygger;4058125 said:
OnirMJ/InvincibleTal, allow me to clarify. If there is not a live cd to go with the concert footage, the blame goes to Sony.

OnirMJ;4058174 said:
That is just wrong.

How so?

To be honest, it truly has nothing to do with the possible OTW documentary. If the documentary is to happen, we are hopeful it is paired with a Triumph dvd concert (in stellar quality I might add and I want a full concert cd from Sony). If this happens, I will be glad the Estate proved me wrong.

Hopefully you and InvincibleTal see the “Randy and/or Jermaine is stopping everything” argument is invalid.

barbee0715;4058128 said:
The story behind the album art is pretty fascinating too. This whole episode in Michael's life is extremely fascinating in every aspect.
He was still very much part of the family (still writing and touring with the brothers and happily, Janet and randy helping with his demos etc) but becoming his own person more and more every day. I give getting the part on the Wiz and moving off to NYC with Latoya a lot of credit for the new independence and confidence.

Indeed! The Wiz plays a very important part in the making of OTW. I truly hope this documentary will be made!
 
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Tygger;4058298 said:
OnirMJ, I clarified my statement, please review:

How so?

To be honest, it truly has nothing to do with the possible OTW documentary. If the documentary is to happen, we are hopeful it is paired with a Triumph dvd concert (in stellar quality I might add and I want a full concert cd from Sony). If this happens, I will be glad the Estate proved me wrong.

Hopefully you and InvincibleTal see the “Randy and/or Jermaine is stopping everything” argument is invalid.

Are you talking about re-release of The Jacksons Live!?

From wiki: "The album was recorded during their North American tour in fall 1981, known as the Triumph Tour. The live double album was culled from recordings made on the tour's stops in Buffalo, NY; Providence, RI; Atlanta, GA; and New York City, NY."

What would be the point of it? It's already released and it's widely available. Also isn't it the full set list? Also it was compiled by the Jacksons themselves from various tour dates according to wiki. So it's like "The Best Of" Triumph Tour.

I'm not quite sure if I understand what you want. You want a specific show from Triumph Tour to be released on both CD and DVD? DVD release might happen if Estate have the footage and if all parties (including the brothers) agree. I don't see a CD release happening (Yes, Sony can do that but I wouldn't blame them if they don't do it - because basically the same CD is already out there). If they do some CD/DVD package they'll just include already released CD.

About this: "The Estate has been very resistant to any mention of Michael’s career with his brothers which is a disservice to his full musical legacy. Their focus is on parts of his solo career so it is his Estate (and Sony) that has no interest in the release of any tour Michael did with his brothers."

How did you come up with that conclusion? They certantly didn't show any "resistance" to any mention of Michael’s career with his brothers. Their focus is on Michael Jackson including his time in The Jacksons and I'm sure that they'll release both Triumph and Victory Tours when the right time comes IF they have the footage and IF all brothers give their consent.
 
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OnirMJ;4058294 said:
SUSIE
Song written by Michael in 1978, and registered with the United States Copyright Office in November 1984 – remains unreleased.

Isn't this what became Little Susie?
 
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In the Life of Chico lyrics

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It's hard to tell, but i'd love to see some studio footage! especially when Michael dressed up as Charlie Chaplin..

Oh there's footage & photos there's a lot more than some ppl would think.



I adore Off The Wall one of my favourite Michael albums! :crazy_jump:

I'm looking at Spike's twitter and I'm not seeing an announcement or on his site http://40acres.com/

Anyways, I hope so! Can't wait! :chillin: :punk:
 
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