[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's sick when WR claims he speaks for the abused, since he clearly has no idea what it's like to be abused the way he claims. A person who was truly abused like that would not speak or act the way he does. He insults abuse survivors everywhere. I hope Robson and Safechuck lose all their money, and if this case somehow makes its way to court, that they are shamed and humiliated and torn apart, but knowing them, they have no conscience, so they probably won't feel any remorse at all. I hope the Estate bites back hard.


That why i pray that none if these ppls open up to Wade he does not support them he has not been through what they have been through in the bold.
 
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It was his wife. And I think that was just because she found her e-mail. I'm not sure if she also sent it to James himself. I guess so. (I found his website and there is an e-mail address there. http://e8interactive.com/portfolio/about/ )

And yes, I agree that what they are doing is not only incredibly low because of what they are doing to Michael, but also because they are manipulating and using real victims. It's false allegations like these why real victims also meet a lot of scepticism and it makes it more difficult for them to report. So what they are doing is harmful and criminal on so many levels.

You are right Respect in the bold that why some rapes do go unreport they feel no one will believe them it they word against the person who rape them.
 
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Am just wondering why did Today Show let Wade come out with this story in the first place without checking to see if it was any truth to it. Why let his stared this scandal against a dead man?


Like it was mention we have already a general group of ppls who believe Michael is guilty so why let Wade come out with these alleged allegations and make them think this again it is unfair. We are so quick to judge a person without knowing the facts here it is a one sided story because Michael is no longer with us like Michael always said do not judge me if you do not know that is true it say it in the bible judge ye not.

Have the ppls forgot this is the same man who took the stand in 2005 and defend Michael by saying in his own words that Michael Jackson never sexual abuse me to there is something wrong with this picture.
 
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I want to say just as a friendly remind let be kind to on another. All for L.O.V.E.


Pat:)
 
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It was the Today Show not GMA
 
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It was the Today Show not GMA
That's correct. And Matt Lauer did ask him about his testimony in 2005. It was short and as far as I know, they have never brought it up again and no other shows booked him either.

I can understand how a child could love their abuser. I've read that in books and seen it in movies. But I still think if you're in love with somebody that much and they throw you over for somebody else, you'd want to get revenge on them.
Not now. Back in 2005 or even earlier.
 
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I think we also have to factor different life situations. It's a very different situation when the abuser is a relative like a parent, when it's a non-relative. A child is dependent on a parent as care-giver and of course those are his or her only parents and the people a child most trusts, so there is a lot bigger emotional and physical dependency there. Same with battered wives. I think the whole point of them always bringing up things like they called MJ "dad" or wanting him to be their father is to try to establish such a strong emotional bond. But thing is Michael wasn't their father, he wasn't their care-giver, they did not live with him. And they were not orphans either. They both had their own parents, own families, they did not depend on MJ as a care-giver or emotionally.
 
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You hit the nail on the head here. Any other kid, (or not even a kid-any person)who is in love with the person they're describing, and then they just throw you over for another kid, you realize you're not special after all, would be full of HATE and REVENGE. And they would have been trying to get it in 2005!!
It's the jealousy and love angle that makes it devastating.

Children are very jealous, just over the attention their parents give their siblings.

And this thing only works if they believed it was them alone with a secret special relationship with MJ. That's how abuser's operate in making victims think it's "real" and "love". If they think it's just them, then it's true, because obviously he's going out of his way just for one specific person.

It just doesn't work if we believe they knew at the time there were dozens of others, that they weren't special, that they were heartbroken at the abandonment, and then all these horrible things happened, and they bore him no will and weren't devastated emotionally by it all.

I would've expected lawsuits and horrible things to come out in the 90s from them just out of revenge, in the way that all those Tiger Woods girls came out all together when they realized there were so many others.

And really you can try and claim this "I loved him I thought it was real I bore him no ill will" angle was there for one of them... but we're talking dozens of potential victims here. If MJ was an abuser it would mean every single one managed to not experience trauma as it happened. That all of them got through school and life fine for decades just fine as it happened. That includes Jordan and Gavin.

There's a reason why some became obsessed recently with Corey Feldman being a victim, and Macaulay Culkin, because Corey went in and out of rehab as a teen/adult around those years, and Macaulay has looked rough a few years back, and that obviously to them would be someone with trauma.

And yet neither are victims... instead we get people who had idyllic family lives, happily married to one person for years, good careers, no drug issues, no weird behaviours.

Is there any abuser in the world who did the acts alleged - rape, degrading acts, child porn, court cases where all of this was dragged through the public eye, threats to their lives and careers, became obsessed with sexually abusing their babies = and none experienced trauma at the time, didn't drop out to do hard drugs or have suicide attempts, and all bore him no ill will?

It's as though all of them would fit into the world Victor Gutierrez dreams of, where pedophilia is legalized because it's not considered bad or traumatic or harmful. I mean MJ would be the poster child of that. He managed to put these kids through everything, dozens of kids likely, and not one experienced any trauma at the time. It was only 20 years later they realized it was wrong because they saw things on the TV or because a prophecy failed, not because they were actually traumatized at the time. Only pedophiles have this viewpoint. Real victims don't experience this shit and feel great as it's happening, nor would they still be ambivalent about it all later on when they recognize the damage it did to them.
 
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I would've expected lawsuits and horrible things to come out in the 90s from them just out of revenge, in the way that all those Tiger Woods girls came out all together when they realized there were so many others.

Exactly! Quite often when real abuse has taken place, when one person speaks out or files a lawsuit you get a flood of other victims coming forward at that same point. This was never what happened with MJ, Jordan made an accusation and then the prosecution struggled to find anyone else that wanted to make the same claim, then it was the same when Gavin made an accusation. They had to reach back to Jason Francia because they got no new accusers and Jordan wanted nothing to do with it.

I don't buy people's excuse that MJ was too big and powerful and people were scared, how many times have there been powerful people with a lot of money who have an accusation that is followed by many other accusations? Plenty. I think it's just an excuse they use to explain why there weren't more accusers in MJ's case.
 
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I don't buy people's excuse that MJ was too big and powerful and people were scared, how many times have there been powerful people with a lot of money who have an accusation that is followed by many other accusations? Plenty. I think it's just an excuse they use to explain why there weren't more accusers in MJ's case.

In 2005 MJ was anything but big and powerful. He was a laughing stock for most of the media and polls showed that most people thought he was guilty. Actually already after the 1993 allegations most of the US media turned against him, but it was even worse in 2005. So the "big and powerful" excuse is not a good one. Nor is the "I was afraid no one would believe me" excuse with a DA like Sneddon who was ready to believe anyone who was willing to make an allegation.

So in this case the usual reasons why victims do not come forward cannot be used as an excuse.

(Actually I do not think MJ was ever really "powerful". The very fact the media could do to him what they did shows that. It's one thing to be rich and famous but that in itself is not power. Power is well-connectedness. There are a lot more powerful celebrities in that way than MJ was - and they do not have to be as famous, popular and rich as him. Power is not about that.)
 
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Exactly! Quite often when real abuse has taken place, when one person speaks out or files a lawsuit you get a flood of other victims coming forward at that same point. This was never what happened with MJ, Jordan made an accusation and then the prosecution struggled to find anyone else that wanted to make the same claim, then it was the same when Gavin made an accusation. They had to reach back to Jason Francia because they got no new accusers and Jordan wanted nothing to do with it.

I don't buy people's excuse that MJ was too big and powerful and people were scared, how many times have there been powerful people with a lot of money who have an accusation that is followed by many other accusations? Plenty. I think it's just an excuse they use to explain why there weren't more accusers in MJ's case.
I would've expected children breaking down and revealing things in the police interviews under pressure.

They were being lied to and told that MJ was still abusing kids, that MJ had naked photos of them, that Corey Feldman and the Cascio's lives were in real at the moment danger.

Then you put that pressure on kids who apparently never told anyone a peep about this, who had been forced into hiding it, being molested in closets, with alarms on, having to speed dress to make sure they weren't caught, having MJ performing cruel tricks and making them cry by thinking they had been caught - and not one of these kids bursts into tears and says something stupid to a police officer or a friend or a teacher or their parents? Not one bursts into tears at any point with the stress at all? Not one says something stupid like "if he loves you then there's nothing wrong with it" or something else a kid would say? Not one?

Seriously, MJ managed to find the most incredible hardened group of victims ever. Didn't experience trauma or failed schoolings or drug problems or sexuality issues or even going onto sexually abuse others as they supposedly all thought it was so normal they became obsessed with wanting to molest only their sons only right after they were born 20 years later, experiencing none at the time or EVER, and didn't reveal a word about it until 20 years after to a single soul, despite being hounded to death over it and 2 court cases. Just amazing.
 
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I would've expected children breaking down and revealing things in the police interviews under pressure.

Seriously, MJ managed to find the most incredible hardened group of victims ever. Didn't experience trauma or failed schoolings or drug problems or sexuality issues or even going onto sexually abuse others as they supposedly all thought it was so normal they became obsessed with wanting to molest only their sons only right after they were born 20 years later, experiencing none at the time or EVER, and didn't reveal a word about it until 20 years after to a single soul, despite being hounded to death over it and 2 court cases. Just amazing.
I agree that this, plus the fact that both of them, especially Robson, praised Michael to the skies through the years has made most of the commenters I've read on news sites totally skeptical of their claims. Skeptical and definite opinions of extortion.

I hope the judge realizes this, as well.
 
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That's correct. And Matt Lauer did ask him about his testimony in 2005. It was short and as far as I know, they have never brought it up again and no other shows booked him either.


You are right they did talk about it i was just wonder why Matt would let Wade come on and said that without checking to see if it is true. To me they should have never let him on. But you are also right again no one else book him. And it might be because of his 2005 testimony.
 
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I agree that this, plus the fact that both of them, especially Robson, praised Michael to the skies through the years has made most of the commenters I've read on news sites totally skeptical of their claims. Skeptical and definite opinions of extortion.

I hope the judge realizes this, as well.



I got this feeling this judge has had enough of these cases Wade lawyers are trying to change the language of the laws to fit they cases by saying the statute of limitations does not apply to them and it is not working his third amended there is really nothing there other then Wade had one cause of actions now he has seven and four of those are against MJ companies which he still so far has yet to find anybody who knew or was aware this was going on and did nothing about it.

Right now Wade and his lawyers are fighting a losing battle.
 
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MJresearcher and Respect i agree with you Michael was not powerful and if one person came out and said he was abuse by Michael they should have been more and this never happen so using i am scared does not work i agree. 1993 settlement open the gate for more ppls to accuse Michael and ppls already believe he was guilty so in 2005 it was no different yes it was worst even those he was found not guilty the ppls still did not believe. I am wondering how the ppls will react now will they still believe Michael is guilty or not guilty will they see that this was just all lies to destroy Michael life?
 
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You are right they did talk about it i was just wonder why Matt would let Wade come on and said that without checking to see if it is true. To me they should have never let him on. But you are also right again no one else book him. And it might be because of his 2005 testimony.
I'm not sure why they let him on unless they thought it might become a big story or was a big story in the past. But it was an interview, not an investigative piece so they didn't have to determine truth or not.
I'm just glad that was his only shot on TV.
 
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I'm not sure why they let him on unless they thought it might become a big story or was a big story in the past. But it was an interview, not an investigative piece so they didn't have to determine truth or not.
I'm just glad that was his only shot on TV.


Wade plan was to scare the Estate into a settlement but it backfire on him.
I am glad it turn out to be his only shot too.
 
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They were being lied to and told that MJ was still abusing kids, that MJ had naked photos of them, that Corey Feldman and the Cascio's lives were in real at the moment danger.

I wonder if Safechuck was told while being questioned that MJ already confessed:

"He also told James that he did not have to answer questions about what they did .... If the police ever told him that the Decedent had 'already confessed,' they were lying and trying to trick James," the Petition says.

It's just odd that he would have to add this very specific claim. (Not to mention how odd this would be from MJ to say such a thing in advance long before the Chandler case.) Safechuck's complaint seems to contain a lot of "preemitive strikes" - ie. there seem to be a lot of circumstances and facts which speak against his claims and he needed to make up some sort of explanation for them in advance. This one, or when he claims MJ messed up Safechuck's bed to make it look like Safechuck slept there. These all seem like they are afraid there might be witnesses contrary to claims such as "I never slept in my own bed, I always slept in MJ's" and they need to claim these things as preemtive strikes.

Imagine if you were sexually molested by a man 100 times and you are interrogated and they are telling you your abuser already confessed. I don't think it's very likely that a kid who was sexually molested 100 times, would not break down at that and confess everything. But if he was asked such a question and he still said nothing happened - well, he would need an explanation for how was it possible for him not to fall for this trick.
 
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These stories are getting crazy they just do not make any sense.
 
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I wonder if Safechuck was told while being questioned that MJ already confessed:



It's just odd that he would have to add this very specific claim. (Not to mention how odd this would be from MJ to say such a thing in advance long before the Chandler case.) Safechuck's complaint seems to contain a lot of "preemitive strikes" - ie. there seem to be a lot of circumstances and facts which speak against his claims and he needed to make up some sort of explanation for them in advance. This one, or when he claims MJ messed up Safechuck's bed to make it look like Safechuck slept there. These all seem like they are afraid there might be witnesses contrary to claims such as "I never slept in my own bed, I always slept in MJ's" and they need to claim these things as preemtive strikes.

Imagine if you were sexually molested by a man 100 times and you are interrogated and they are telling you your abuser already confessed. I don't think it's very likely that a kid who was sexually molested 100 times, would not break down at that and confess everything. But if he was asked such a question and he still said nothing happened - well, he would need an explanation for how was it possible for him not to fall for this trick.

Yeah, someone should probably put together a list of all the pre emptive strikes he makes.

What's funnier about that bedroom thing is that one of the lying Neverland 5 people claimed the beds were unmade as though they hadn't been slept on, didn't they? That the kid's beds were always neat and tidy like they hadn't been used, as a way to make it seem like they'd been with MJ always? LOL But now he was deliberately messing their beds up so the maids should have thought they'd been slept in? Gosh! This trickster MJ having it both ways!

And what would've been the point if everyone knew Jimmy was sleeping with MJ? I mean, isn't that what the story is, that MJ openly had him in his bed all the time constantly? That he did that with kids all the time? But now it turns out the kids were actually meant to be sleeping in other beds? And that MJ was already paranoid enough to be doing all these things, even though nobody was checking for any of this? It's not like anyone suspected a thing back then. It's not like maids, or manager's, or friends, or parents, or ANYONE had ever said a word to him about any of it. So why would he have been concerned when he was open about kid's sharing his room? Why would he have been paranoid enough to set up messy beds?

Reminds me of one of those same people selling a story claiming they would find Lisa Marie's bras stuffed under MJ's bed, in a way this maid claimed was deliberately set up so that they would find them there and believe they were having sex - I mean, it's such a stupid claim, why would someone stuff a bra UNDER a bed to try to make some maid think sex had been going on? Why not just throw the bra on the bed? Dangle it from a chandelier? LOL

Pity Gavin Arvizo wasn't aware MJ was messing up his bed to make it look like he was sleeping there, as the maids testified they found Gavin's bed always messy like it had been slept in, when in reality it was MJ running back to mess it just in time! Always one step ahead of everyone, that MJ!
 
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Yeah, someone should probably put together a list of all the pre emptive strikes he makes.

What's funnier about that bedroom thing is that one of the lying Neverland 5 people claimed the beds were unmade as though they hadn't been slept on, didn't they?

Yes, the Quindoys. That's why I said earlier after reading Safechuck's story: you don't mean that the Quindoys lied all these years about Jimmy's bed never seeming slept on? Safechuck just discredited the Quindoys with this little claim. LOL. But of course the Quindoys were not the only staff in that house, so I guess he needed to make this little preemitive strike in case some of them would be called and testify about his bed being slept on. Maybe there are already depositions, police interviews on the record about that.

And yes, the whole scenario does not make sense. MJ would go lengths and mess up his bed to mislead the maids about it, yet he had no qualms to talk about children sleeping in his bed on national TV. Yeah, makes sense.
 
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Where would MJ find the time to do all if these crazy things James is claiming. Ladies i love reading your posts.
 
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I would've expected children breaking down and revealing things in the police interviews under pressure.

They were being lied to and told that MJ was still abusing kids, that MJ had naked photos of them, that Corey Feldman and the Cascio's lives were in real at the moment danger.

Then you put that pressure on kids who apparently never told anyone a peep about this, who had been forced into hiding it, being molested in closets, with alarms on, having to speed dress to make sure they weren't caught, having MJ performing cruel tricks and making them cry by thinking they had been caught - and not one of these kids bursts into tears and says something stupid to a police officer or a friend or a teacher or their parents? Not one bursts into tears at any point with the stress at all? Not one says something stupid like "if he loves you then there's nothing wrong with it" or something else a kid would say? Not one?

Seriously, MJ managed to find the most incredible hardened group of victims ever. Didn't experience trauma or failed schoolings or drug problems or sexuality issues or even going onto sexually abuse others as they supposedly all thought it was so normal they became obsessed with wanting to molest only their sons only right after they were born 20 years later, experiencing none at the time or EVER, and didn't reveal a word about it until 20 years after to a single soul, despite being hounded to death over it and 2 court cases. Just amazing.

I wish I could thank this post more than once! The tactics the police used to try and force an "admission" of abuse were nothing short of despicable. The accusers should have broken down if they thought the police "knew" things were happening and claimed to have proof. Telling kids they have naked pictures of them is disgusting, I don't know how these bastards didn't lose their jobs for the way they conducted these terrible interviews!
 
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^^And I pray to God that the Estate's attorneys are as familiar with these facts as you guys are. This is exactly what they need to shred these guys on the stand should this stupid thing ever come to trial!!!
 
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If they aren't I'm sure they will be if needed. I suspect they could get all kinds of info on Robsh*t and Upchuck that we don't have access to. Could be wrong, but I think their trying to drag this out as long as possible in the vain hope the estate will just throw up their hands and say "Oh hell, here's some money. Now go away."
I don't know but Branca doesn't strike me as that easy. Bet he can get downright nasty if he needs to. And if it comes to it, I hope they go after them with everything they've got.
 
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I don't know but Branca doesn't strike me as that easy. Bet he can get downright nasty if he needs to. And if it comes to it, I hope they go after them with everything they've got.
You're right. Branca is an excellent lawyer and he CAN get nasty. He walked away from the ATV purchase when de la Court (sp)was playing games. They begged him to come back even tho there were higher bidders.
He talked Bone way down on the price of Neverland and kept working the deal until it came completely furnished with a fully stocked wine cellar. We know how he financed and saved Thriller.
Those are just well known battles. I'm sure there are tons more.

He WILL look after Michael.
 
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I think that's very true. But I feel the target is and has always been the Estate. Michael was just a convenient way to go about it. Don't think Branca and Co. take to kindly to being named as accessories to child abuse. It's not just Michael's but their names and reputations at stake. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Branca's discussing WR & JS.
 
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I think that's very true. But I feel the target is and has always been the Estate. Michael was just a convenient way to go about it. Don't think Branca and Co. take to kindly to being named as accessories to child abuse. It's not just Michael's but their names and reputations at stake. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Branca's discussing WR & JS.
Me too. :)
 
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@la_cienega

You do know Corey Feldman was a victim, but certainly not at the hands of MJ, as he has repeatedly stated? The fact he had a normal friendship with MJ but was terribly abused by some completely unrelated "Hollywood mogul" is rather curious and casts serious doubt on all MJ accusers. He has nothing but admiration for MJ.
 
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