Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
This is something we have to be very careful with. It actually is possible for a person to have positive emotions about someone who has abused them. A family friend was with a man for about 30 years, was married for most of those years. The man would sometimes hit her and she would hit him back. He would not always take no for an answer when he wanted sex but our friend still has many positive memories about him and says he was good in bed. I've also read things about people who have been abused who can have these emotions as well, (no, not from mjfacts lol) but different people can react differently. Having any positive words or memories about someone doesn't actually prove anything and I think if we don't make sure that we get our facts right about abused people then we're not likely to have people listen to us or take us seriously when we tell them we don't believe these two men, or the others.
Yes, I think we all know those stories, but in context, it's different.
This is a superstar who completely basically "enslaved" these kids... in their version of events MJ sucked them into a warped demented depraved world where they did everything to please him and ran about trying desperately to keep it a secret, spending their whole lives with this shame. They knew MJ did this to others. They knew they could end it for everybody by speaking out. They claim to have experienced breakdowns and requirements for medication, claimed they wanted to sexually abuse their own kids because of MJ. Claimed to be incapable of any type of work at all. Claim to be anally penetrated and degraded by MJ. Claimed to be exposed to child pornography.
I mean this is WARPED. This is your formative years and they're spent with your hero completely messing you up like this.
I remember when I did something to get revenge on a bully at school when I was a kid and my teacher found out, but didn't know it was me and said if she found out this person could be suspended... and wow, I was traumatized! I was like 9 years old and convinced the cops or something would find me. I spent the rest of the school year obeying every thing a teacher said to me, and completely nervous and jittery whenever certain things came up, like I was a nervous wreck! Literally would go home and cry somedays. And what I did wasn't even that bad, but the idea of getting found out for it just upset me soooo bad. I think everyone can remember something stupid like that happening to them as a kid that they got stressed about being found out on.
Now try and imagine going through what they've claimed.
I can't even imagine what a child carrying this kind of horrible secret would have to go through. The kind of mental panic you'd get as a 7 year old, as an 11 year old, as whenever. I wouldn't be able to say his name. I would've wanted to avoid him. I would've had breakdowns and suicide attempts and everything, because I just can't imagine being a child and having to keep that pressure and secret. And being jealous and torn apart when you see him doing it to other kids, you know he doesn't really love or care about you which is the lie you told yourself, you know you're one of dozens? And as a kid that doesn't devastate you? Especially with you being forced into hearing about it, it's not like this was some guy down the road, this was someone you'd have to hear on your radio, hear your friends talk about, see in your newspapers or news channels. After everything you've been through you realize you're not even special to him? So why keep the secret when you know it's all a lie from him? And then 1993 rolls around and your parents and friends and the police are asking you about this specific thing in excruciating detail and everyone's talking about it and acting like it's already happened and he's calling you and threatening your career and life - like wow! I would be dead.
Sorry, I don't buy any idea at all this couldn't be traumatic. No way.
The reason they're claiming this love angle is to justify why they didn't come forwards and to circumvent the statutes now... both claiming it took till now only to realize it was wrong and had messed them up.
MJ was not that good an abuser that he managed to leave every child he'd abused with the idea that it was all loving and good and harmless. That just doesn't happen. You don't see Sandusky's victims claiming they thought it was all fine and that they have no ill will to him. You can try this angle for one of these idiots, but with ALL of them???? We'd be talking Brett, Macaulay, his own relatives, Spence, Corey Feldman, who even knows who else could be involved, and ALL of them just thought it was a loving expression and that there was nothing wrong with it? Not one of them was a wreck as it happened??? Sorry, nope, only a very deluded person would buy that.
I hope this happens. That would make it all too obvious to everyone what they are really about. I hope they put every last dime in these frivolous lawsuits and lose in the end.
Me too. It's a possibility, like with Evan Chandler.
I'm really hoping the appeal of the $$$$$ by the estate makes them attempt absolutely everything, because if they could get money from the estate, it'd be better than having to deal with hawking out book deals.
