Spike Lee announces Off The Wall Documentary - Estate Announcement Page 66

And then he would like to do Thriller documentary to complete the Quincy Jones-album-produced trilogy. Simply ;-)

So what?

Yes, it seems those three albums are his favourites from MJ's catalog. Does everyone who makes a documentary about MJ need to be a fan of every single thing he ever did and need to have a hard core fan card? Can't Spike Lee have his preferences? Can't he have he favourite album of MJ's catalog and God forbid if it is not Dangerous, HIStory or Invincible?

I am for one grateful for anything that brings positive attention to MJ and his legacy - whichever part of his legacy. Fans need to accept that the general public will always put Thriller on a pedestal. It is the blessing and the curse of having the best selling album of all times. It is what it is.

But OTW is not even that over-discussed album. In fact, what Spike discusses in this documentary is one of the least discussed and least covered aspects of MJ's career. Apparently he will discuss the transition period from Motown to OTW, including the Jacksons albums, which part other MJ documentaties often just skip. And OTW period itself is not that over-discussed either. When you think of it, we have an officially released Dangerous era concert on DVD, but we hardly have any concert footage, especially in great quality from OTW era. So any concert footage that he includes will definitely be of great interest to me.
 
What are you on about Onir and stop arguing with me.
Prince performed Don't Stop Till You Get Enough in Jimmy Kimmel show in 2012,. Whether he sang it or just played it, he PERFORMED it, capish.
I don't care what kind of video it was, but below is list of articles that he indeed performed DSTyGE in Jimmy Kimmel but no video of it cannot be found

https://www.google.ie/?gws_rd=ssl#q=prince+on+jimmy+kimmel+michael+jackson

I'm not arguing with you. I just said I saw one performance on youtube. And you saw another one. That's it. Who's arguing?
 
I agree with you about everything you said regarding the album too. It's 4 songs out of 10 actually. The rest is not so groundbreaking.

I will tell you why many pick Off The Wall as their favorite MJ album. It's because doing so makes them look cooler. I mean everybody knows the great bang came with Thriller, so how cool you are if you state you had already appreciated Michael's artistry from his 1st album!

Hearing Spike Lee say that Off The Wall was better than Thriller or Bad (or something like that) was hilarious and outrageous at the same time.

All in all, despite its importance in Michael's evolution, and featuring a few AMAZING songs, this album is definately the weakest MJ album. (IMO of course)

Dangerous album just got peed on once more, this time by the Estate who favored an Off The Wall project instead...

I agree with all that except the last part. This is not about the Dangerous album. Estate did nothing wrong here. In my opinion every album should be celebrated because all of them are great. I'm just saying that they should stop obsessing with cultural impact of the album and start concentrating on albums quality. I liked that with Bad project. Because even though Thriller is more significant album in music history and had greater cultural impact, Bad is still better album. And Dangerous, HIStory and Invincible are all better than Off The Wall if you are exclude everything except the music. And in my opinion Michael's music and art should be celebrated, not just cultural impact.
 
Also missing is any reference to Frank DiLeo.)

Hahaha. He couldn't go one article without mentioning his friend Frank. But did Frank had anything to do with Off The Wall? Didn't he appear around Victory Tour?
 
I think Off the Wall is a fantastic album. Why do MJ albums always need to be pitted against each other? It feels to me that some fans are bitter that MJ's later work does not get the same praise and appreciation from the general public as the 80s albums (esp. Thriller and OTW) therefore there is this constant need to play them down in the fandom. I for one enjoy all of them the same. Yes, it's a pity that the general public doesn't give Dangerous and HIStory the same appreciation or even attention, but that doesn't make OTW weak or "overrated". It is a fact that it's a very influential album that many of the current acts use as a blueprint (at least they try to).

Something like HIStory is less accessible to the general public, because it is heavier both musically and thematically, not careless fun like OTW. It doesn't make one better or worse than the other they are just different and serve different purposes and reflect on different periods in MJ's life. I made peace with the fact that a carefree, fun album will always appeal more to the general public than a dark, heavy album. That's only natural. It doesn't mean we have to bash OTW/Thriller because the general public likes them.

The great thing about MJ is that he made such diverse music throughout his career. I enjoy this diversity in his music and the fact that I have an album by him for my every mood. I enjoy OTW just the same as I do HIStory. Sometimes I prefer to listen to this, sometimes that depending on my mood. I wish fans would embrace this diversity more and not always tried to make it some kind of Quincy records vs. later records competition all the time.

And while Thriller gets all the praise and attention all the time, it's not like OTW has overly been discussed in the general public so far. It doesn't get the same attention as Thriller or even Bad from the general public. (Just see the fact that Thriller and Bad regularly chart on the BB200, but OTW doesn't.) So I don't mind it at all if it gets its shine now and maybe this documentary will help to introduce it to younger audiences.

I understand what are you trying to say. And maybe that is the case with some fans. But not with me. Don't Stop Til You Get Enough is one of my favourite MJ tracks ever, probably in my Top 5 MJ songs and in my opinion one of his greatest songs. There is also Working Day And Night which is great. Off The Wall is great too. I love I Can't Help It. But here it ends for me. Of course it's a great album, all other songs are good songs, but album songs in my opinion. Not groundbreaking standout tracks like every track on Thriller or Bad. That's why I said that in my opinion it's overrated. But I understand why. Because of its significance in music history and influence it had on other artists. Also it's MJ's first. I just say that I personally don't like this album as much as I love his other albums (just like some fans don't like Invincible as much as they like others). I rarely listen to it in its entirety. I'm not downplaying it at all, the album or Quincy Jones. But in my opinion both this album and Quincy's work are overrated.
 
Man I did not say I don't want Off The Wall era stuff. Or even stuff before that. I am discussing the "obsession",as you referred to it, which is certainly a reality.

And regarding Dangerous, I said that if there is only one spot to be filled (and I fear that's the case), then I believe Dangerous should have earned it and not Off The Wall.

Is it clear by now that my purpose is not to bash any MJ album? Stop misinterpreting my posts everyone

I agree with you, man. I want Off The Wall stuff too. We all do!

Of course there is not only one spot left. There will be more releases for sure. Just 3 more in this contract and then they'll sign another contract for more projects. I just doubt any of those projects will be Dangerous 25 because Dangerous album did not have a cultural impact as albums MJ did with Q. And they are focusing with these releases on cultural impact more than on the music quality - that was my whole point.

No ones purpose here is to bash any MJ album. I didn't misinterpret your post but you did say that the Estate "peed" on the Dangerous album which is not true.
 
A decade after helming the King of Pop's 1996 music video for "They Don't Care About Us," the filmmaker is bringing his doc 'Michael Jackson's Journey From Motown to Off the Wall' to the festival.

A version of this story first appeared in the Jan. 29 issue of The Hollywood Reporter magazine. To receive the magazine, click here to subscribe.

John Branca had been Michael Jackson's longtime legal adviser and friend since the 1980s and, as the co-executor of the Michael Jackson estate (along with music executive John McClain), has continued to keep the iconic singer's legacy alive since his death in 2009. After Michael Jackson's This Is It — the 2009 concert documentary that followed Jackson as he prepared for his concert tour — became the top-grossing concert doc of all time ($261.2 million worldwide), the estate decided to make another documentary.

But who should helm it? Spike Lee, who had directed Jackson's 1996 music videos for "They Don't Care About Us," was an obvious choice. "Spike is a great director and a good friend, but he's also a huge Michael Jackson fan," says Branca, who hired Lee to direct 2012's Bad 25, a retrospective on the making of Jackson's 1987 album.

Lee, who hosts an annual tribute to the late singer in Brooklyn, heads to Sundance this year with Michael Jackson's Journey From Motown to Off the Wall, which follows Jackson from his days in the Jackson 5 to his launch as a solo artist with 1979's Off the Wall. "This is a coming-of-age story," says Branca, who serves as a producer on the film, which features Lee's interviews with such stars as John Legend, Questlove, Pharrell Williams, Lee Daniels and Kobe Bryant. "He starts out as a child star who supported his entire family. And then, through a crisis in his career — leaving Motown — re-emerges as a solo artist. It's a compelling story."

Branca says they wanted to work with Lee again because of the shorthand that's developed between them. "There's never any tension. I have a lot of ideas when it comes to these things — there's always a great give-and-take," he says.

Branca is most involved in the outlining stage, and then comes in again to help with the edit after Lee has done the interviews. For Off the Wall, Branca helped cut it down from 120 minutes to 90. "We wanted to keep the pace and the tempo moving," he says.

And there's more Michael on the horizon. Lee hopes to make a trilogy of Michael Jackson docs, and has already said he'd love to finish it off with a film about the 1982 album Thriller.

"We definitely want to do a third one," adds Branca. "Thriller would be a logical choice because it's the biggest-selling album in history, but I've always felt that Michael's History album was his most unappreciated. When you really listen to that album, start to finish, you can't help but be blown away at the quality of the music."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/spike-lees-michael-jackson-doc-857179
 
There is absolutely nothing else to say about Thriller, no other superlatives that can be said other than that that miraculous period actually happened

I think its mindboggling Quincy Jones is not in this OTW documentary, but then again he probably didnt want to be in it because there's no reason why Weekend should have been chosen over someone who actually grew up during that time like a Raphael Saadiq who can give firsthand account about that period
 
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I think its mindboggling Quincy Jones is not in this OTW documentary, but then again he probably didnt want to be in it because there's no reason why Weekend should have been chosen over someone who actually grew up during that time like a Raphael Saadiq who can give firsthand account about that period

He didn't want to be in this documentary or in Bad 25 documentary either because he's in legal disputes over money with Michael Jackson's Estate. Definitely not because of other interviewees.
 
Quincy obviously did not get a big enough offer, $ wise. Plus, why would he want to give MJ any praise, since he has spent quite a few years trying to detract from Michael's genius?

I gave up on Quincy a long time ago.
 
Quincy Jones will be featured with interviews. From the archive. I'm happy with it, if you know the nonsense he told since 2009.
I recognize his work as a producer and I am sure he is praised in the documentary enough, but it's my opinion he would not contribute anything valuable in a new interview.
 
Quincy obviously did not get a big enough offer, $ wise. Plus, why would he want to give MJ any praise, since he has spent quite a few years trying to detract from Michael's genius?

I gave up on Quincy a long time ago.


Quincy didnt detract anything from Michael

Michael detracted from himself

There is not one person in this documentary who can offer more insight into the production of the greatest R&B/Soul album if all time than Quincy Jones...what in the can Weekend or Quest Love ir anyone else can say thats gonna top the words of the greatest music producer of all time
 
Michael detracted from himself

How? Explain.

There is not one person in this documentary who can offer more insight into the production of the greatest R&B/Soul album if all time than Quincy Jones...

Well, it's his own decision not to appear. No one elses. It is also his own decision to go after Michael Jackson's Estate. No one elses.

what in the can Weekend or Quest Love ir anyone else can say thats gonna top the words of the greatest music producer of all time

Quincy will be in the documentary from archival footage. From time when he was not senile and from the time when he could be understood without subtitles. Also from his last few interviews about Michael, you never know what he might say. He might say for example that MJ bleeched his skin, that he didn't want to be black... So maybe it's a good thing that he didn't want to be in the film.
 
There is not one person in this documentary who can offer more insight into the production of the greatest R&B/Soul album if all time than Quincy Jones...what in the can Weekend or Quest Love ir anyone else can say thats gonna top the words of the greatest music producer of all time

This is the truth, whether some people may like it or not. Quincy was THERE, not Questlove or the Weeknd.
 
Quincy didnt detract anything from Michael

Michael detracted from himself

There is not one person in this documentary who can offer more insight into the production of the greatest R&B/Soul album if all time than Quincy Jones...what in the can Weekend or Quest Love ir anyone else can say thats gonna top the words of the greatest music producer of all time
Stop it Brighter. You can give Quincy all the accolades you want and that he more than deserves without knocking Michael here.
That match was made in the heavens or the stars or whatever. With Michael, Quincy was finally able to realize the most creative magical music that he probably hadn't even dreamed of yet and vice versa.

With the two of them together anything and everything was possible and became possible.
 
Didn't want it to sound condescending at all. Just very curious. Because I remember searching for those videos long time ago and I couldn't find any of them where he actually sings the songs. That's what I wanted to see/hear. I'm not that interested seeing him just playing the guitar while female background singers sing.

Here you go, He's playing and singing the chorus here :)
[youtube]vJ3kDg8swRM[/youtube]
 
Stop it Brighter. You can give Quincy all the accolades you want and that he more than deserves without knocking Michael here.
That match was made in the heavens or the stars or whatever. With Michael, Quincy was finally able to realize the most creative magical music that he probably hadn't even dreamed of yet and vice versa.

With the two of them together anything and everything was possible and became possible.

That was very apparent when it actually happened but it is now a struggle for history to make that know in the past six years
 
That was very apparent when it actually happened but it is now a struggle for history to make that know in the past six years
I understand. I get pretty frustrated about that myself. Real frustrated.

But don't really want the current day Quincy in the doc, but I do expect to see great archival footage and I want to hear accolades on both TOGETHER that are over the moon.
 
Quincy's interviews of the past years weren't insightful at all so I'm not going to miss him too much in this movie. He hardly talks about MJ's artistic process. We'll get more from archive footage of him.
 
So what should Spike have done about it? Put a gun to Quincy's head and force him to appear?

WTF are you talking about? I'm speaking on the role Q had in producing OTW that can't be diminished or dismissed( by some people that keep whining about some of the foul things he said years later). I don't care if he didn't want to participate in Spike's documentary.
 
Who would want to see a senile, old bitter individual like Quincy Jones is today on a documentary? Some of you can give him the credit and praise him all you want but he had no right to lash out against Michael knowing he always thanked him for all the things Q did for MJ, speaking about him with utmost respect and admiration.
 
how serious is Quincys senility? is it bad? it's a serious condition, but I don't know how bad his is
 
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