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^^Seemingly copyright infringement of Michael's name.
If thats what happen, unfortunately it is not going to hold.

If it doesn't hold, then as Respect suggested, citing doc-patient prove would be another way try to plea with amazon and other places where they are selling this book.
 
Conrad Murray is desperate for money, that way he can visit strippers again. Strippers work for money not for free. If Conrad Murray gets money, he'll get strippers again. He is known for that lifestyle, it is an addiction for Conrad Murray. He believes he is a ladies man because he pays strippers to make him feel that way.

Now, I want to bring in Thomas Mesereau. Thomas, all the women testified they received messages or had conversations with Murray while Jackson was said to be under Propofol. How bad does that look for this guy?

THOMAS MESEREAU, FORMER ATTORNEY OF MICHAEL JACKSON: I think it looks real bad. You know, a lot of drama has been made out of the fact he likes young pretty women. It makes for good copy. But the end of the day the fact that he`s a womanizer, I don`t think is going to make a big difference in the jury room.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST, "ISSUES": This is a ladies` man. He is a player for sure. And it was all sort of cleaned up at the trial because they`re talking about how they met him at social clubs and some of these women are actually referring to strip clubs because three out of the four women who came to the stand over the course of two days in a cluster that was clearly designed to send a message to the jury have worked as exotic dancers."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, they established a whole bunch of things. For example, they established at the very time that he was supposed to be watching over Michael Jackson, he is on the phone with these women.
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/04/joy.01.html

Conrad Murray was even in the ambulance with Michael Jackson's body and on the phone yet again, with one of his stripper's.

NICOLE ALVAREZ, CONRAD MURRAY`S GIRLFRIEND: I remember him telling me that he was on the way to the hospital in the ambulance with Mr. Jackson and for me not to be alarmed because he didn`t want me to be worried because he knew that I would learn this through the news.

You know, as we just said before, he`s involved with these three women on the stand today and he`s also married. That looks really -- don`t you think the jurors will take that into consideration also and show what a bad character he is. That he`s an adulterer on top of everything else?

Don't buy the book because Conrad Murray lives in some sort of fantasy world of perversion. Let's not finance his perversion's. He murdered Michael Jackson!
 
My concern about the doctor-patient privilege is that it may seem that the stuff he has written is true but should not be shared.

And just to reiterate - Murray is NOT from Barbados!!!!
 
Surely this doctor can be sued somehow. Look MJ had strange quirks we ALL know that but that is what this creep is playing on. He knows that the "MJ was weird " label has been out there since the 80s and he knows he can get away with virtually anything he says. It really shocks me that this guy can live with himself ?? Ok he obviously needs money but for gods sake , part of me wouldnt even mind if he would maybe give a few interviews telling the world how good MJ was with his kids , the positive stuff about the childrens hospital etc. He would still get paid for it but no he has to come out with outrageous lies. Its unfair.
 
TheChosenOne said:
My concern about the doctor-patient privilege is that it may seem that the stuff he has written is true but should not be shared.
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Of course, it is is not true but he claims it is true so with that he does claim he is sharing info that may fall under the privilege. And especially the medical info he shares in his book (whether true or made up) falls under it - as long as he claims it is true. The Estate too threatened him citing doctor-patient privilege in 2013. They did state most of what he claims seems fabricated but since he claims them they do fall under the privilege.

Unfortunately each other protestation by fans may be ineffective. You cannot get a book banned by saying there are lies in it. I am sure there are many books on Amazon with lies. Lots of tabloidish books about celebrities etc. Even saying a criminal cannot profit from his crime may be ineffective because that is only true in some states (not true in California, for example), plus the argument may be that he is not profiting from the crime itself - unless he discusses the crime in the book which is possible but we don't know yet. So I think the one with most legal basis may be doctor-patient privilege.

I mean we can send Amazon rants about what a disgusting liar Murray is, but I think we should find a legal basis for our complaints for it to work.
 
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He did breached doc-patient confidentiality
http://injury.findlaw.com/medical-malpractice/breaches-of-doctor-patient-confidentiality.html

Do we not have anyone here who works in medical field and has knowledge of who things works when doctor is convicted and licence to practice removed?
Medical board cannot do anymore than they already did by taking his licence. Sueing him for money? I'm certain the money he gets from the book is diverted to go to his children or somewhere that it cannot be taken away from him.

Well, we'll see if something comes up from Jackson family once the book gets release as there is dirt on them too.

Ps, I was re-reading :)puke:) this article on page 41
Michael Jackson wanted to marry 12-year-old girl .......

In it Mirror wrote:"An entire chapter of the book, which will be published on Tuesday"

They didn't release that chapter yesterday, so there is a hope staff at Mirror choked to their own filth, or the estate stopped it.
 
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Reading f.b it appears to be copyright infringement of "this is it"
 
Conrad.... Have you NOT done enough??? Taking Michaels life... Seriously how cold blooded can someone be.. Even the Chandlers and Arvizos know to hide away and shut the F up.. You killed that man, took him from us.. His family!
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Reading f.b it appears to be copyright infringement of "this is it"
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I see. Hopefully it takes long time to investigate is it copyright infringement, and meanwhile Conrat can sing him being a little buy that Santa Claus forgot.
 
Bubs said:
No, he does not have licence, and never practice again. That is the reason why he is selling these crappy stories as he has no other income.
Judge was ready to make Murray to pay restitution but Katherine didn't want any of it as she thought Conrat should be able to feed his children, which he does now as we read these stories from his book.

If Katherine is happy with no restitution or no word from Jackson camp against Conrat, why should the estate do anything, and we fans should just put up with all this crap.
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ah yeah, ok. I remember, the restitution. Its all katherines fault whats going on now. This old insane mommy. Thats so nice of her^^, they dont care about MJ and the fans. What we have go throught now again and again. Mmm, i know this feeling for 30 years now. But even in death, thats absolutely not fair, for him and us. Ridiculous, weird, insane,... pfff, this man is dead for 7 years and still all this shit, the whole time. I saw an heart a lot about others stars, but noone have to go throught more shit then MJ, in death. Such a weird world. No other human being, in death got so much hate. I hate this world. So much hate out there.
 
It was talked today on another radio show. People are MAD. I saw the how the THE TALK discuss this. they were HOT mad and even the caller poster and the audience. Another local station (I was in my office and was flipping my radio) mentioned it. Again saying "this man got some nerve. Is he thinking". This is going to backfired in this jerk face. This is like Charles Mason writing a book about his victims. Jacksons do not need to say nothing, the public here is upet for those who heard it (most people are wrapped up in the Election stuff right now but if this grows, I see an outrage public (United States) over a MURDERER who is trying to profit off his victim he killed. That I how this book is going to be viewed. Sybil on TJMS said "who in their right mind will buy this book? NO ONE should buy this book."
 
The media want to have this. So its going to happen, and nothing can stop it. It allready have started, and the damage is done. It was always like that, and will not stop, for all time. The media and murray murdered MJ. They have blood on their hands, and they dont care about this. Money, and destroying MJ is most important for them. Devils, rasists, haters, weirdos, *****s,... thats what they are. This creatures (i dont call them human beeings, cause they are not) deserve the worst that you could think of. And the worst is, all the good people around michael jackson allready died, and all the devils and weirdos are still alive. Weird world.
 
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I checked and thought there is a law existing in US called Son of Sam law to keep criminals from profiting from the publicity of their crimes by selling their stories to publishers. I think Murray fits the law.
 
Also my friend that got the Amazon email said if he did impreach his doc patient confendailty he could get 10 yr jail time from HIPPA
 
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A Son of Sam law is any law designed to keep criminals from profiting from the publicity of their crimes, often by selling their stories to publishers. While the term is most often used in the United States, it is also sometimes applied to laws passed with similar provisions in other nations.
Where asset forfeiture looks to remove the profitability of crimes by taking away money and assets gained from the crime, Son of Sam laws are designed so that criminals are unable to take advantage of the notoriety of their crimes. Such laws often authorize the state to seize money earned from deals such as book/movie biographies and paid interviews and use it to compensate the criminal's victims.


The first such law was created in New York after the Son of Sam murders committed by serial killer David Berkowitz. It was enacted after rumors abounded about publishers and movie studios offering large amounts of money for Berkowitz's story. The law was invoked in New York eleven times between 1977 and 1990, including once against Mark David Chapman, the murderer of musician John Lennon.




 
Estate responds:

Hi Keen:


As with all of the other appalling and upsetting works that have been published about Michael, there is likely no legal recourse available to the Estate to stop it. The first amendment in the United States protects free speech, and this unfortunately, often, extends to rumor and innuendo. Furthermore, as you may be aware, laws protecting people from libel and slander in the US do not extend protections to the deceased. And the laws in other countries generally offer no better protection and, in some cases, are far less protective. Even so, as is generally the case when the Estate becomes aware of a new book being released about Michael, I am sure they will look at this book at its options in case there is a legal basis for them to take action.


MJOnline
The Official Online Team of The Michael Jackson Estate™
 
Rather casual response from the online team making it sound like its just another silly little tabloid number rather than from the man (and I use the word loosely) who took Michael's life.

To be honest, to me this reads as if its from the online team rather than directly from the executors themselves and without any direct word from them so I'll withhold judgement just yet. But they need to try something because to let this slide would be inexcusable.
 
It looks like TrashyMZ has picked up the story.
I refuse to click on any article like that, but the headline says that Michael "Played Dress Up to Romp With Call Girls & Strippers."
This entire situation disgust me, and I hope it's over soon, but even then it's only a matter of time until the next "story".
 
SarahJ said:
Rather casual response from the online team making it sound like its just another silly little tabloid number rather than from the man (and I use the word loosely) who took Michael's life.

To be honest, to me this reads as if its from the online team rather than directly from the executors themselves and without any direct word from them so I'll withhold judgement just yet. But they need to try something because to let this slide would be inexcusable.
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I read this the same way and I'm sure the Estate is always looking at new books, docs that misrepresent Michael and try to destroy his character and legacy-I'm also sure they knew this was coming just as we did.
I think she worded it in such a way as not to get his hopes up that it would be stopped, since the darn laws aren't there, but I'm sure they've made and are making calls.
 
mkgenie;4157291 said:
Estate responds:

Hi Keen:


As with all of the other appalling and upsetting works that have been published about Michael, there is likely no legal recourse available to the Estate to stop it. The first amendment in the United States protects free speech, and this unfortunately, often, extends to rumor and innuendo. Furthermore, as you may be aware, laws protecting people from libel and slander in the US do not extend protections to the deceased. And the laws in other countries generally offer no better protection and, in some cases, are far less protective. Even so, as is generally the case when the Estate becomes aware of a new book being released about Michael, I am sure they will look at this book at its options in case there is a legal basis for them to take action.


MJOnline
The Official Online Team of The Michael Jackson Estate™
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At this point I am not even surprised. Sorry, but they look stupid now after all those vehement threats against Murray in 2013. The Estate is a toothless lion I guess.

This case is different than most other cases because Murray was MJ's doctor and he was also the man who killed him. So there must be more legal basis to stop this book than the usual general gossip. But I am not sure they will even care to try. I am getting more and more disappointed in the Estate. They go after petty stuff like fans having a fan radio but become totally passive when it comes to Mike's actual reputation.
 
Pink Diamond Princess said:
It looks like TrashyMZ has picked up the story.
I refuse to click on any article like that, but the headline says that Michael "Played Dress Up to Romp With Call Girls & Strippers."
This entire situation disgust me, and I hope it's over soon, but even then it's only a matter of time until the next "story".
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TMZ is kind of mocking Murray, I guess. And at least they picked the part about the strippers not the one about MJ wanting to marry young girls.

"Michael Jackson dressed up like a clown, or even faked illness, just to meet random women ... at least that's what the man who killed him is reportedly claiming in a tell-all book.Talk about chutzpah ... Conrad Murray has written a memoir called, 'This Is It' ... in which he says he will reveal all kinds of family secrets about MJ, yet also claims he's giving him "due respect."
Some of the secrets reportedly in the book include Murray claiming Michael would put on a clown costume and then hire strippers and call girls to hang with him in hotel rooms.
Murray -- who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter -- also claims Michael would use fake accents and pretend he was a stroke victim as a ploy to meet women.

Murray was MJ's confidante -- as well as his doctor -- and reportedly writes extensively about his and Michael's frequent encounters with call girls while they were living in Las Vegas.
Best of all, Murray claims Michael wanted him to make all these revelations.
Murray lost his medical license after his conviction -- but clearly not his brass pair."
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mkgenie said:
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A Son of Sam law is any law designed to keep criminals from profiting from the publicity of their crimes, often by selling their stories to publishers. While the term is most often used in the United States, it is also sometimes applied to laws passed with similar provisions in other nations.
Where asset forfeiture looks to remove the profitability of crimes by taking away money and assets gained from the crime, Son of Sam laws are designed so that criminals are unable to take advantage of the notoriety of their crimes. Such laws often authorize the state to seize money earned from deals such as book/movie biographies and paid interviews and use it to compensate the criminal's victims.


The first such law was created in New York after the Son of Sam murders committed by serial killer David Berkowitz. It was enacted after rumors abounded about publishers and movie studios offering large amounts of money for Berkowitz's story. The law was invoked in New York eleven times between 1977 and 1990, including once against Mark David Chapman, the murderer of musician John Lennon.
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That only applies to US. CM released his book in Aus, so I believe SoSl cannot applied, and California doesn't have it.
 
What can the estate do?

If KJ had taken restitution, they have all the (legal+money) means go after the money he makes off from this book, but that is not an option now, is it?

From Wetzman's statement:
"Moreover, if the extraordinary reports are true that you are actually seeking to have your medical licence reinstated in any jurisdiction, the estate will absolutely advice the applicable medical boards of your breaches of the physician-patient privilege and any continuing refusal to honour the physician-patient privilege in connection with your treatment of Michael Jackson."

Conrad sued Texas med board right before that letter, but later lost his case, so he didn't get his licence. The estate cannot advice medical board for anything if CM doesn't have any licence. Medical boards cannot take any action against CM, because CM is not medic anymore.
I also think the reason why Conrad published his book is Aus, so US laws he mentioned in that letter doesn't apply to him.

I do feel fans anger is directed to wrong people, as it was KJ who put the stop for any further punishment to CM. As a good christian, she wanted CM to be able to feed his kids, so go and buy his book to support, not to mention, didn't some of the brothers go on telly/ or interview saying they have forgiven to CM?

We should do the same, support CM's book and forgive
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Bubs said:
What can the estate do?

If KJ had taken restitution, they have all the (legal+money) means go after the money he makes off from this book, but that is not an option now, is it?

From Wetzman's statement:
"Moreover, if the extraordinary reports are true that you are actually seeking to have your medical licence reinstated in any jurisdiction, the estate will absolutely advice the applicable medical boards of your breaches of the physician-patient privilege and any continuing refusal to honour the physician-patient privilege in connection with your treatment of Michael Jackson."

Conrad sued Texas med board right before that letter, but later lost his case, so he didn't get his licence. The estate cannot advice medical board for anything if CM doesn't have any licence. Medical boards cannot take any action against CM, because CM is not medic anymore.
I also think the reason why Conrad published his book is Aus, so US laws he mentioned in that letter doesn't apply to him.

I do feel fans anger is directed to wrong people, as it was KJ who put the stop for any further punishment to CM. As a good christian, she wanted CM to be able to feed his kids, so go and buy his book to support, not to mention, didn't some of the brothers go on telly/ or interview saying they have forgiven to CM?

We should do the same, support CM's book and forgive
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Neither the family or the Estate do enough to protect MJ's reputation IMO. And it's not just about this specific case. Over and over again the Estate showed its total lack of interest when it comes to addressing the slander of MJ's name and reputation. It's been discussed enough on this board. And no, it does not always have to be a lawsuit. But often they even declined to issue a forceful rebuttal - even when they could have - under the excuse of not giving it more attention. Which sounded ridiculous when the slander was already all over in the media. I am not anti-Estate but I am also not the one to defend their every action or inaction. I personally do not think they do enough.

And yes, in this specific case it is also the family's fault, for refusing to go after Murray in a civil case because all they saw were the potential $$$ from AEG. That was more important than setting up a scene where Murray could not have profited from selling books. Money it seems was always more important to his family than Michael.
 
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mkgenie said:
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A Son of Sam law is any law designed to keep criminals from profiting from the publicity of their crimes, often by selling their stories to publishers. While the term is most often used in the United States, it is also sometimes applied to laws passed with similar provisions in other nations.
Where asset forfeiture looks to remove the profitability of crimes by taking away money and assets gained from the crime, Son of Sam laws are designed so that criminals are unable to take advantage of the notoriety of their crimes. Such laws often authorize the state to seize money earned from deals such as book/movie biographies and paid interviews and use it to compensate the criminal's victims.


The first such law was created in New York after the Son of Sam murders committed by serial killer David Berkowitz. It was enacted after rumors abounded about publishers and movie studios offering large amounts of money for Berkowitz's story. The law was invoked in New York eleven times between 1977 and 1990, including once against Mark David Chapman, the murderer of musician John Lennon.
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Tha Son of Sam law was abolished in California. In other states it may be relevant in terms of marketing the book there.

The state of California's Son of Sam law was struck down in 2002 after being used against Barry Keenan, one of the men who kidnapped Frank Sinatra, Jr. in 1963.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_Sam_law


I think what they can go after here is doctor-patient privilege. Murray does make claims regarding MJ's health and condition. And although his licence has been revoked I doubt that gives him a pass now to talk in public about former patients' medical history. That's still illegal for him to do. Since he cannot be punished any more by revoking his licence there must be other ways to punish him - ie. a lawsuit.
 
Imo that is a box standard responce from the online team. They obvioisly have no clue about the book etc as this isnt box standard slander. It involves paitent confidentiality.

Played Dress Up to Romp With Call Girls & Strippers.
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Well at least its "positve"
 
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