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New one episode special to premiere on Oxygen about the trial. [MERGED]

what do u mean "played one of the jurors"? i thought the actual jurors were in this..........??
 
8701girl said:
what do u mean "played one of the jurors"? i thought the actual jurors were in this..........??
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Yes five jurors are in it but the show is a mix of their interviews and dramatization of the trial and the deliberation.
Stevens is not one of the five who were interviewed, by the way.
 
redfrog said:
Yes five jurors are in it but the show is a mix of their interviews and dramatization of the trial and the deliberation.
Stevens is not one of the five who were interviewed, by the way.
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You mean like the reactnament thing e! news did for the 2005 trial?
 
respect77 said:
massively prejudiced against MJ (like Hultman is). .
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He would have convicted MJ for molesting Brett Barnes simply because they shared a bed.

Imagine you are Brett Barnes and your best friend is sitting in prison because
some asshole jurors think they know better than you do whether you were molested or not.
And people wonder why MJ settled.
 
If he didn't think there was room for reasonable doubt he should have hung that jury. Same as the other lady juror. By saying afterward they thought he was guilty they just make themselves look bad even if money wasnt their motivation. It's immoral to let a man you think is guilty go free. Its also immoral if a man you think is innocent is then betrayed by you in the media.

They should be ashamed either way.



Just saw the new preview..... Hultman is so going to throw mj under the bus. Good to see Aphrodite there though. Hopefully +1 for the not guilty crowd and sounds like she may even expose the media's appalling reporting habits.
 
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redfrog said:
Yes.

Here's a new preview that ****ing Hultman still says we were under duress.
What duress? The whole world was against Michael it would have been easy to convict him.

https://www.facebook.com/oxygennetwork/videos/1748678255161890/

This idiot will vote guilty based on his sick sex fixated prejudices.
I hope I'm wrong.
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I really want to smack him. Sounds like he's being pretty defiant there, and the look on the other juror's face when he made the duress comment was really telling.

I suppose they needed at least one person on here who would play devil's advocate.... *sigh* Glad to see Aphrodite on there.
 
Hulman sound stupid. If he really thought MJ was guilty, he could have held out and caused a hung jury. No, he gave the right verdict but when it was over, he saw the need to think MJ was guilty was more profitable.
 
Just saw this on Twitter posted by Oxygen Crime: "Questions on the #MichaelJackson case? Ask Juror Paulina Coccoz anything on @reddit Sun at 8:30pm ET and catch The #JurySpeaks on Oxygen!"

So it looks like it won't be Hultman.
 
If so, that's good news. Paulina has given reasonable statements based on facts why she acquitted Michael. I don't use reddit, so I hope people ask intelligent questions.
 
redfrog said:
And why they believe the Arvizos were abducted, kidnapped, falsely imprisoned because
that's what people always forget that the DA argued MJ could commit the molestation
because he could keep the Arvizos in Neverland against their will. They always forget that count 1 was not molestation
but conspiracy. So do they believe all the other guys the Arvizos accused were guilty too?
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When will the un-named co-conspirators that gave Gavin alcohol and introduced him to porn to prepare him for MJs alleged molestation be charged? The same guys that helped hold the family imprisoned while shopping and attending spas in different towns for Michaels money,....... How could they even try the case without charging them as well?

I am MAD AS HELL still how they could go after MJ alone and let the other guys walk. If the co-conspirators were charged along with Michael they would destroy Sneddons case immediately.

Its absurd and its the biggest reason the case never should been tried in court. Its a travesty brought on by Sneddon to go forward with such a laughable weak and insane case - he is responsible for all this madness thats still going on.

I just cant get over what Michael had to go through because of this nonsense, it will haunt me until I die :-(
 
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I just hope I can watch it ASAP! I did not realize I don't have oxygen
 
Lesky said:
When will the un-named co-conspirators that gave Gavin alcohol and introduced him to porn to prepare him for MJs alleged molestation be charged? The same guys that helped hold the family imprisoned while shopping and attending spas in different towns for Michaels money,....... How could they even try the case without charging them as well?

I am MAD AS HELL still how they could go after MJ alone and let the other guys walk. If the co-conspirators were charged along with Michael they would destroy Sneddons case immediately.

Its absurd and its the biggest reason the case never should been tried in court. Its a travesty brought on by Sneddon to go forward with such a laughable weak and insane case - he is responsible for all this madness thats still going on.

I just cant get over what Michael had to go through because of this nonsense, it will haunt me until I die :-(
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That goes to show that this is to take down Michael. nothing else.
 
Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
If so, that's good news. Paulina has given reasonable statements based on facts why she acquitted Michael. I don't use reddit, so I hope people ask intelligent questions.
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Couldn't you just create a reddit account? Would be great to have as many fans there as possible
cause haters will sure attack Pauline with full force.
 
terrell said:
That goes to show that this is to take down Michael. nothing else.
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Or maybe just another fame hungry guy. Can you imagine if he had actually taken Michael down? His fame and opportunities in the criminal justice system would have been endless. Now, he's just a little famous footnote to Michael's bio.


redfrog said:
Couldn't you just create a reddit account? Would be great to have as many fans there as possible
cause haters will sure attack Pauline with full force.
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I looked at reddit and it looks confusing. You probably have to be on it in real time and I have to watch the encores since I'm working during the live show.

The OJ Encore is about to start in 10 minutes and I'm getting ready to watch that. I'm sure I know they'll talk about the racist police damaged the case-but there may be some new interesting things. I'm actually eager to see the one on Durst-I can't imagine anyone finding him not guilty unless it was because of insanity.
 
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InvincibleMJ said:
Will you calm down? nobody HAS TO join Reddit
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You are using caps and tell me to calm down? Nobody said anyone has to join
I said it would be great if more fans were there than haters, not that anyone must be there.
I didn't understand what barbee0715 thought was confusing
and explained how the whole thing will work if she wants to participate
and wants to know. So take your own advice and calm down.
 
Just like I thought the LAPD mess that up. I watch the first one. I do not think this jury will change their mind and if their try to put Wade in there as new evidence I do not believe it will work. The questions will be why did Wade not come forward sooner why would he wait until Michael Jackson passed away. This also look like another LAPD mess up. Tom S was so he'll bend on putting Michael behind bars. I will see how it will come out.
 
redfrog said:
You are using caps and tell me to calm down? Nobody said anyone has to join
I said it would be great if more fans were there than haters, not that anyone must be there.
I didn't understand what barbee0715 thought was confusing
and explained how the whole thing will work if she wants to participate
and wants to know. So take your own advice and calm down.
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I agree as many mj fans as possible should be on reddit to support Pauline and mj. I doubt she'll have the knowledge to counter the trolls, especially when they bring up Chandler Robson safechuck
 
redfrog said:
You are using caps and tell me to calm down? Nobody said anyone has to join
I said it would be great if more fans were there than haters, not that anyone must be there.
I didn't understand what barbee0715 thought was confusing
and explained how the whole thing will work if she wants to participate
and wants to know. So take your own advice and calm down.
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Clearly, the use of caps was not to show anger but to emphasize there's no real obligation. I would use caps in a different part of my post if it was anger. :dancin:
 
Lesky said:
When will the un-named co-conspirators that gave Gavin alcohol and introduced him to porn to prepare him for MJs alleged molestation be charged? The same guys that helped hold the family imprisoned while shopping and attending spas in different towns for Michaels money,....... How could they even try the case without charging them as well?

I am MAD AS HELL still how they could go after MJ alone and let the other guys walk. If the co-conspirators were charged along with Michael they would destroy Sneddons case immediately.

Its absurd and its the biggest reason the case never should been tried in court. Its a travesty brought on by Sneddon to go forward with such a laughable weak and insane case - he is responsible for all this madness thats still going on.

I just cant get over what Michael had to go through because of this nonsense, it will haunt me until I die :-(
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Thats what i dont understand still ...i mean most of all criminal trial's that have co-conspirators will have the co consipirators charged if there is evidence they too were involved in the crime. It just proves all along sneddon WAS OUT TO GET MJ NO MATTER WHAT and that to me screams insainty coz america was always thought to be the "righteous " country ...well that what i always felt
 
InvincibleMJ said:
Clearly, the use of caps was not to show anger but to emphasize there's no real obligation. I would use caps in a different part of my post if it was anger. :dancin:
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Clearly nothing in my posts said that anyone has to join so you emphasized your baseless assumption which made it look like
you were irritated by me trying to pressure her.


8701girl said:
It just proves all along sneddon WAS OUT TO GET MJ NO MATTER WHAT and that to me screams insainty coz america was always thought to be the "righteous " country ...well that what i always felt
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America has had some horrendous witch-hunts over bogus child molestation allegations,
look at the San Antonio Four case, the Kelly Michaels case, the Bakersfield case, the Wenatchee witch-hunt, the Clyde
Ray Spencer case the McMartin case. It's just that Michael is the only one whose innocence was never acknowledged by
the American public, those other poor guys and gals at least have that, most people now admit they were innocent.
 
When is that reddit questioning? I live in Sweden, so I wont be able to watch the program, I assume?
 
redfrog said:
Clearly nothing in my posts said that anyone has to join so you emphasized your baseless assumption which made it look like
you were irritated by me trying to pressure her.
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I'll admit that I did feel pressured by your "snap back" answer to me about Reddit, but reading the posts forward, I realize that wasn't the intent. I'd do it, but I can't watch the actual show. I'm going to have to watch the Encore later on tonight-and I'm sure all tweeting will be over by then.
I did watch most of the OJ one last night-it was pretty good.
 
Just curious about how you feel they handled the OJ episode. Did they slant it in any way and also curious how the jurors were presented.
 
SarahJ said:
Just curious about how you feel they handled the OJ episode. Did they slant it in any way and also curious how the jurors were presented.
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I didn't feel like it was slanted-they had reps from both the defense and the prosecutor talking about what they were doing or planning or thinking at the time.
I found the part about jury selection really interesting. The prosecutors wanted black women on the jury, because they felt they would dislike OJ because he had "turned against his race and married a white woman, etc.". The defense wanted black women on the jury, because they felt black women stand by by their men no matter what, and the racial tensions with the police at the time had black women even more up in arms. So they were both looking for the same demo, which is what they got. Apparently, the defense was correct-the prosecution was not.

Also interesting talking about the glove incident-where they all realized that Darden had fallen for a trap with it. But that was the evidence, so be it.


I also didn't realize so many people were kicked off the jury during the trial.

And they were given info from the civil case, and they said that might have changed their minds; however, they didn't have it so they would vote the same way.

One person said "we didn't vote him innocent, we voted him not guilty". And they all nodded. I hate that phrase-there's no such thing as an innocent verdict. That's meaningless.
 
Thanks for that. It will be interesting how MJ's jury is shown and how they react. I hope they don't pull the not innocent vs not guilty card. I don't get the channel so I won't be able to watch it and will just have to go by others reviews.
 
It was very good OJ lawyers put in this jury mind that OJ did not do this. They made it look like the LAPD plan the evidences to set up OJ so the only verdict that this jury can come back with is not guilty reasonable doubt (not sure) Like one jury said she could not believe Chris did that by having OJ try on the gloves which did not fit. It look like Marge and Chris had all of the evidences but the defend put the blame on the LAPD to many mistake was made.. One juror sad to see one family happy and one family sad was hard they could not come back wit a guilty verdict.


I can not wait to see the Michael Jackson case tonight.
 
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