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Dorian said:
Sony couldn't put out anything without Michael's approval. They wanted a double disc in 2001 and Michael said no. They wanted the same demos release in 2008 and he said no. They wanted less demos and he said no again. You can't just put stuff out without the label's permission.

The Taylor case is something different. Michael's masters were owned by MJJ Productions afaik.
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This is what I mean, every contract is different. This makes sense because otherwise I'm sure Sony would be releasing albums left right and center without the Estate involved.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I’m thinking this is what we’re in for:
  1. Starlight (Demo of Thriller)
  2. Got the Hots (Demo)
  3. Nightline (Demo)
  4. [unheard song]
  5. Behind the Mask (Mike’s Mix)
  6. Hot Street (Demo)
  7. The Toy (Demo)
  8. Rolling the Dice (Demo)
  9. Carousel (Demo)
  10. She’s Trouble (Demo)
If it’s anything even close to this, I’m thrilled (no pun intended).
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I have been dying to hear Rolling The Dice for ages.

Is the song close to completion and was it written by Michael?
 
You guys please stop guessing the tracklist, it's getting pointless now...
Also, in case you don't know, before the announcement of first track, several previously released Thriller era tracks posted on YouTube are labeled as "track 11", "track 13", "track 15" and "track 17" of a non-existent album, and these songs are Got The Hots (track 11), Carousel (track 13), Can't Get Outta The Rain (track 15) and Sunset Driver (track 17). Now that Got The Hots is confirmed as indeed the 11th track, so we can be sure of track 13, 15 and 17.
Only 3 vacancies are left for disc 2 and we know Starlight has been taken down on YouTube, so it must be on it. The other 2 spots are for leaked but unreleased songs, i.e. Hot Street (or Slapstick) and Nite Line. And voila, you got a 10-song disc 2.
So it's absolutely no place for other unheard songs, no Rolling The Dice, no Chicago 1945, no Buffalo Bill, no Nymphette Lover. Nope!
Also we can say goodbye to The Lady In My Life (Uncut Version), Don't Matter To Me (Demo) and other Freddie Mercury collaborations.
 
mjjcn1432 said:
You guys please stop guessing the tracklist, it's getting pointless now...
Also, in case you don't know, before the announcement of first track, several previously released Thriller era tracks posted on YouTube are labeled as "track 11", "track 13", "track 15" and "track 17" of a non-existent album, and these songs are Got The Hots (track 11), Carousel (track 13), Can't Get Outta The Rain (track 15) and Sunset Driver (track 17). Now that Got The Hots is confirmed as indeed the 11th track, so we can be sure of track 13, 15 and 17.
Only 3 vacancies are left for disc 2 and we know Starlight has been taken down on YouTube, so it must be on it. The other 2 spots are for leaked but unreleased songs, i.e. Hot Street (or Slapstick) and Nite Line. And voila, you got a 10-song disc 2.
So it's absolutely no place for other unheard songs, no Rolling The Dice, no Chicago 1945, no Buffalo Bill, no Nymphette Lover. Nope!
Also we can say goodbye to The Lady In My Life (Uncut Version), Don't Matter To Me (Demo) and other Freddie Mercury collaborations.
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finally someone say that
 
mjjcn1432 said:
You guys please stop guessing the tracklist, it's getting pointless now...
Also, in case you don't know, before the announcement of first track, several previously released Thriller era tracks posted on YouTube are labeled as "track 11", "track 13", "track 15" and "track 17" of a non-existent album, and these songs are Got The Hots (track 11), Carousel (track 13), Can't Get Outta The Rain (track 15) and Sunset Driver (track 17). Now that Got The Hots is confirmed as indeed the 11th track, so we can be sure of track 13, 15 and 17.
Only 3 vacancies are left for disc 2 and we know Starlight has been taken down on YouTube, so it must be on it. The other 2 spots are for leaked but unreleased songs, i.e. Hot Street (or Slapstick) and Nite Line. And voila, you got a 10-song disc 2.
So it's absolutely no place for other unheard songs, no Rolling The Dice, no Chicago 1945, no Buffalo Bill, no Nymphette Lover. Nope!
Also we can say goodbye to The Lady In My Life (Uncut Version), Don't Matter To Me (Demo) and other Freddie Mercury collaborations.
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Pretty sure this was debunked a while ago and those tracks were attributed to other albums (TUC, TUFAC, etc.). It’s somewhere in this thread.
 
Putting Sunset Driver and Can't Get Outta the Rain on this album would be really stupid. Not only do they belong to the OTW era, but the latter song also has already been released. They both would have fitted on the OTW chalk album quite well.
If they are really gonna be released on Thriller 40, that would be a sign for me that no usable cut tracks or even demos are left from Thriller era.
 
Sunset Driver (as released on TUC) was recorded in 1982 for Triller.
 
Fuzball said:
Sunset Driver (as released on TUC) was recorded in 1982 for Triller.
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I wouldn't take TUC as the gospel.
Fall Again was credited as written by Michael Jackson, for instance.

I'd guess that Sunset Driver is an Off The Wall outtake, when you listen Mike's vocals they sound from OTW era to me and the production sounds disco era that even pre-dates most of the sound on Off The Wall
 
robotchicken14 said:
Were the re-recorded lyrics that replace 'game' with 'rain' recorded at the same time as You Can't Win? Or did they re-record the song during Thriller sessions?
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They just re-recorded the lyrics. Everything else was kept untouched, they were just mixed differently.
 
thiron said:
Putting Sunset Driver and Can't Get Outta the Rain on this album would be really stupid. Not only do they belong to the OTW era, but the latter song also has already been released. They both would have fitted on the OTW chalk album quite well.
If they are really gonna be released on Thriller 40, that would be a sign for me that no usable cut tracks or even demos are left from Thriller era.
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It would more say to me that they don't want to use much unreleased stuff and are filling up the tracklist as a result.
 
Fuzball said:
Sunset Driver (as released on TUC) was recorded in 1982 for Triller.
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I didn’t buy this for the longest time, but upon double-checking the credits (assuming they’re to be believed), I feel like it’s the only possible timeline. It was engineered by Keith Seppanen, who worked on most of Jermaine’s early-‘80s albums, and mixed by Bill Bottrell, who joined the Jackson crew in 1983-84. It could’ve been written in the late ‘70s, but it was definitely recorded no earlier than 1981.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I didn’t buy this for the longest time, but upon double-checking the credits (assuming they’re to be believed), I feel like it’s the only possible timeline. It was engineered by Keith Seppanen, who worked on most of Jermaine’s early-‘80s albums, and mixed by Bill Bottrell, who joined the Jackson crew in 1983-84. It could’ve been written in the late ‘70s, but it was definitely recorded no earlier than 1981.
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Recorded in 1979
 
AlwaysThere said:
I didn’t buy this for the longest time, but upon double-checking the credits (assuming they’re to be believed), I feel like it’s the only possible timeline. It was engineered by Keith Seppanen, who worked on most of Jermaine’s early-‘80s albums, and mixed by Bill Bottrell, who joined the Jackson crew in 1983-84. It could’ve been written in the late ‘70s, but it was definitely recorded no earlier than 1981.
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Now that I think about this, it does seem less like a OTW outtake and more like a Thriller outtake that was reconsidered for Victory, hence the mix by Bottrell. Either that, or there were three seperate versions: a home demo from 1978 in the same vein of DSTYGE and WDAN, the 1982 version recorded in the Thriller sessions, and the 1984 mix by Bottrell that might've been lightly considered for Victory.
 
mjjcn1432 said:
You guys please stop guessing the tracklist, it's getting pointless now...
Also, in case you don't know, before the announcement of first track, several previously released Thriller era tracks posted on YouTube are labeled as "track 11", "track 13", "track 15" and "track 17" of a non-existent album, and these songs are Got The Hots (track 11), Carousel (track 13), Can't Get Outta The Rain (track 15) and Sunset Driver (track 17). Now that Got The Hots is confirmed as indeed the 11th track, so we can be sure of track 13, 15 and 17.
Only 3 vacancies are left for disc 2 and we know Starlight has been taken down on YouTube, so it must be on it. The other 2 spots are for leaked but unreleased songs, i.e. Hot Street (or Slapstick) and Nite Line. And voila, you got a 10-song disc 2.
So it's absolutely no place for other unheard songs, no Rolling The Dice, no Chicago 1945, no Buffalo Bill, no Nymphette Lover. Nope!
Also we can say goodbye to The Lady In My Life (Uncut Version), Don't Matter To Me (Demo) and other Freddie Mercury collaborations.
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Well, we have The Ultimate Fan Extras Collection:
- track 2-13 - Carousel
- track 2-11 - Got The Hots

On The Ultimate Collection:
- track 1-17 - Sunset Driver (Demo)

I cannot so far anything for Can't Get Outta The Rain where it's track 15, so this theory of releasing already released rare demos is plausible.
 
Listening to Sunset Driver again...you can hear the first 2 verses and most of the chorus vocals sound very early Thriller era, but the bridge and 3rd verse sound like they are from the Off The Wall era, Mike's voice sounds drastically higher and more in keeping with his pre Triumph era vocal

Possibly two different takes put together?
 
Worst case scenario:

01 The Girl Is Mine (Solo Demo) [It's notably absent from the exclusive digital demos, so maybe it's being saved for Disc 2.]
02 Got the Hots (Demo)
03 Someone in the Dark [It's also placed in between Got the Hots and Carousel on TUFEC.]
04 Carousel
05 Behind the Mask (Mike's Mix (Demo))
06 Can't Get Outta the Rain
07 The Toy (Demo)
08 Sunset Driver (Demo)
09 Starlight / Nite Line / Slapstick / Hot Street (Demo)
10 She's Trouble (Demo)

If Someone in the Dark is included, I hope it's not lifted from the 2001 Special Edition where the preceding Quincy Jones interview bleeds into the first second of the track. The version featured on the 2004 Ultimate Collection is the one to go with.
 
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SmoothCriminal1995 said:
Listening to Sunset Driver again...you can hear the first 2 verses and most of the chorus vocals sound very early Thriller era, but the bridge and 3rd verse sound like they are from the Off The Wall era, Mike's voice sounds drastically higher and more in keeping with his pre Triumph era vocal

Possibly two different takes put together?
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You're right. That bridge is the same as Any Love from the Rufus and Chaka Khan album Quincy produced in 1979.
 
It makes you wonder what the estate has or what the strength of what they have is when xscape was mostly leaked songs and then thriller 40 is so far entirely either leaked or alternatives from Michael album
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
Listening to Sunset Driver again...you can hear the first 2 verses and most of the chorus vocals sound very early Thriller era, but the bridge and 3rd verse sound like they are from the Off The Wall era, Mike's voice sounds drastically higher and more in keeping with his pre Triumph era vocal

Possibly two different takes put together?
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Not the case, in my opinion. His voice sounds higher because he sang higher up in his range. The tone becomes brighter because the notes are much higher than on the verses.

I doubt they would have kept a years-old take just on the bridge, while re-recording the rest.

Edit: But then again, Earth Song contains vocals from the 1990 demo, so nothing is impossible, I guess.
 
Dilan said:
It makes you wonder what the estate has or what the strength of what they have is when xscape was mostly leaked songs and then thriller 40 is so far entirely either leaked or alternatives from Michael album
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And OTW 30 had no demos whatsoever. Though, some nice chalk.
Also, someone mentioned the 5th anniversary of Scream. I hat completely forgotten this existed. Also had no new stuff, though.
 
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