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Thriller 40th Anniversary

kreen said:
The same thing that has happened to every huge star of every decade since the beginning of recorded music will happen to MJ eventually: the people who grew up with his music will die off, and to the new generation, he’ll be as irelevant as Bing Crosby is to you, or as Maurice Chevalier was to your parents. While some old artists can get a sudden revival in this TikTok era, it’s short-lived, it’s usually limited to one song, and the kids quickly move on to other things. The die-hard fans are the only ones who care about any artist who’s not today’s chart-toppers. It was always thus in the world of pop music. MJ still has a huge following because he had a 40-year career filled with dozens of hits. But he’s dad’s music to your average TikTok kid.
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As somebody who works with teenagers and young adults, MJ is by no means “dad’s music.” You’d be stunned how many kids genuinely love Michael, Elton John, Prince, Madonna, Whitney Houston, Billy Joel, so on and so forth. Just look at the variety of ages who are attending the Broadway show. Hell, he’s still in the top 70 most-streamed artists on Spotify worldwide, thirteen years after his death. You’re not gonna convince me that’s all from middle-aged listeners.
 
why are only albums from the 80s honored dangerous would have deserved an anniversary and been successful it is the album of the 90s
 
Fuzball said:
Why stick to a specific anniversary and not releasing a (timeless) superdeluxe edition?

For instance Prince' sde of "Sign o the times" or the soon to be released Beatles sde of "Revolver" are terrific releases imo.
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True
 
there’s been a deliberate attempt by a certain demographic of ‘fans’ to sabotage ‘thriller‘ long before this project was even announced.
their intention is to rewrite history and control the narrative. they do this through bullying group-think, and by questioning the fandom of anyone who has a preference for this era.

they’re jealous of its success, and they operate out of spite towards the general public - especially the ones fortunate enough to remember happier times in michael’s career and life. literally waiting for us to die out 😧 it will never work because the truth never changes. or as Michael said ; ‘and when the groove is dead and gone, you know that love survives so we can rock forever on’ 💜

‘billie jean’ is the most popular video on YouTube with over a billion views. ‘thriller’ is still michael’s biggest selling album. his most successful posthumous single ‘love never felt so good’ came from 1983.💜

without the ‘casuals’ that are detested so much around here, Michael never would have reached the heights that he did; as a solo artist or even as a part of the Jackson 5.

the anti ‘thriller’ noise is coming from a small loud minority. the extent of michael’s appeal goes way beyond message boards, and social media in general.

that could never be destroyed no matter how hard some of you try..
 
AlwaysThere said:
As somebody who works with teenagers and young adults, MJ is by no means “dad’s music.” You’d be stunned how many kids genuinely love Michael, Elton John, Prince, Madonna, Whitney Houston, Billy Joel, so on and so forth. Just look at the variety of ages who are attending the Broadway show. Hell, he’s still in the top 70 most-streamed artists on Spotify worldwide, thirteen years after his death. You’re not gonna convince me that’s all from middle-aged listeners.
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There are exceptions: as a kid, I loved the Beatles, who had broken up 25 years previously. And there were weirdos 20-year-old in 1967 who still bought Frank Sinatra albums. But MJ won't avoid what is the rule for all: times passes and others take your place.
 
kreen said:
There are exceptions: as a kid, I loved the Beatles, who had broken up 25 years previously. And there were weirdos 20-year-old in 1967 who still bought Frank Sinatra albums. But MJ won't avoid what is the rule for all: times passes and others take your place.
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You’re absolutely right. But the overall point remains: as of now, MJ is remarkably successful for a legacy act that’s been dead for over a decade. He will eventually fade, but to dismiss his current popularity as “dad’s music” ignores his ongoing cultural relevance.
 
mjfanboy27 said:
why are only albums from the 80s honored dangerous would have deserved an anniversary and been successful it is the album of the 90s
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As much as I love the album Dangerous, the beginning of the 90s was the era of techno, house and grunge. MJ for the first time introduced rap in his songs, but he was too late imho. DANGEROUS is an excellent album of course, but there was no real wow effect comparable to THRILLER or BAD. It looked like an updated recipe with all the already existing ingredients: Who Is It = Billie Jean, Heal The World (although extremely successful) = We Are The World; Give In To Me = Beat It/Dirty Diana; Keep The Faith = Man In The Mirror; Jam = Bad with rap; etc. Just my two cents. Now had DANGEROUS dropped in 1988 or 1989 it would have been awesome and most certainly huge. MJ waited too long and Technotronic, Snap, and other styles imposed themselves in the clubs.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I don’t want any more anniversary reissues. Just do a celebratory album package.
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I have nothing against albums anniversary one should only make more of it off the wall new edition with chalk I found stupid
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
As much as I love the album Dangerous, the beginning of the 90s was the era of techno, house and grunge. MJ for the first time introduced rap in his songs, but he was too late imho. DANGEROUS is an excellent album of course, but there was no real wow effect comparable to THRILLER or BAD. It looked like an updated recipe with all the already existing ingredients: Who Is It = Billie Jean, Heal The World (although extremely successful) = We Are The World; Give In To Me = Beat It/Dirty Diana; Keep The Faith = Man In The Mirror; Jam = Bad with rap; etc. Just my two cents. Now had DANGEROUS dropped in 1988 or 1989 it would have been awesome and most certainly huge. MJ waited too long and Technotronic, Snap, and other styles imposed themselves in the clubs.
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True but in terms of NJS which was huge at the time in the early 90s, Dangerous is a huge album for the genre

Don’t forget by that point MJ was already an “older act” because he’d been in the game for so long. Clubs in LA played his stuff like Remember the Time etc so it was a different game competing vs the new younger acts
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
As much as I love the album Dangerous, the beginning of the 90s was the era of techno, house and grunge. MJ for the first time introduced rap in his songs, but he was too late imho. DANGEROUS is an excellent album of course, but there was no real wow effect comparable to THRILLER or BAD. It looked like an updated recipe with all the already existing ingredients: Who Is It = Billie Jean, Heal The World (although extremely successful) = We Are The World; Give In To Me = Beat It/Dirty Diana; Keep The Faith = Man In The Mirror; Jam = Bad with rap; etc. Just my two cents. Now had DANGEROUS dropped in 1988 or 1989 it would have been awesome and most certainly huge. MJ waited too long and Technotronic, Snap, and other styles imposed themselves in the clubs.
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Probably unrelated but i'm kind of sad that Dangerous released so late, by the time it was out, singles had club remixes on them and not the kind of extended or alternative mixes you would find on 80s singles, it would have been very interesting to see different takes on songs that got a single release, rather than just forgettable dance remixes/whatever was popular at the time
 
dam2040 said:
True but in terms of NJS which was huge at the time in the early 90s, Dangerous is a huge album for the genre

Don’t forget by that point MJ was already an “older act” because he’d been in the game for so long. Clubs in LA played his stuff like Remember the Time etc so it was a different game competing vs the new younger acts
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NeoGardiV8 said:
Probably unrelated but i'm kind of sad that Dangerous released so late, by the time it was out, singles had club remixes on them and not the kind of extended or alternative mixes you would find on 80s singles, it would have been very interesting to see different takes on songs that got a single release, rather than just forgettable dance remixes/whatever was popular at the time
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I'm speaking from my own experience back then, the way I felt it and lived it. MJ was huge with BAD album. MJ had this strategy to kinda make himself forget and drop da bomb. It worked between Thriller and Bad. But it didn't fully work with Dangerous.

He was tad bit too late. MJ should have dropped Dangerous in 1989 at the latest. 'Jam' would have been a huge hit in 1989, as well as many other songs and Dangerous album would have probably outsold BAD. But the wait was too long - 1991! New era, new music had already made its way, despite the huge audience Black Or White video premiere attracted. So, all in all Dangerous did quite well with awesome videos and concerts and all, but as I said, my feeling is that it would have been even bigger if it had been released in 1988 or 1989. The sound would have been really brand new before all the techno and house era.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
He was tad bit too late. MJ should have dropped Dangerous in 1989 at the latest. 'Jam' would have been a huge hit in 1989, as well as many other songs and Dangerous album would have probably outsold BAD. But the wait was too long
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Honestly, i don't think it being too late was the reason it didn't surpass Bad in sales, i'm pretty sure that Dangerous would have definitely outsold Bad if the allegations hadn't come out by 1993...
 
NeoGardiV8 said:
Honestly, i don't think it being too late was the reason it didn't surpass Bad in sales, i'm pretty sure that Dangerous would have definitely outsold Bad if the allegations hadn't come out by 1993...
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can someone actually see if the sales of bad and dangerous in their first 2 years were similar or if one was bigger then the other, we could prob predict it that way.
 
Beano Wild said:
can someone actually see if the sales of bad and dangerous in their first 2 years were similar or if one was bigger then the other, we could prob predict it that way.
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The sales were similar from my memory, but the hype with everyday people regarding MJ's music wasn't as high with Dangerous as with Bad.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
The sales were similar from my memory, but the hype with everyday people regarding MJ's music wasn't as high with Dangerous as with Bad.
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It seems back then people weren’t rushing to the store to buy a new album. I remember a time where Nsync would sell 3 million copies in the first week. It seems dangerous or bad didn’t come close to those first week numbers.

I would love see weekly sales estimates of his albums though.
 
Dangerous sold around 370k opening week, which was extraordinary for the time. (No clue where the 600k figure comes from.) Not to mention that that figure only accounts for 4-5 days of sales due to the Thanksgiving weekend.

Comparing them to *NSYNC seems somewhat disingenuous. Albums in the ‘80s and ‘90s not only sold lower and had longer shelf lives, but they also didn’t often debut at number one. Thriller, the best selling album in history, had to climb to #1.
 
AlwaysThere said:
As somebody who works with teenagers and young adults, MJ is by no means “dad’s music.” You’d be stunned how many kids genuinely love Michael, Elton John, Prince, Madonna, Whitney Houston, Billy Joel, so on and so forth. Just look at the variety of ages who are attending the Broadway show. Hell, he’s still in the top 70 most-streamed artists on Spotify worldwide, thirteen years after his death. You’re not gonna convince me that’s all from middle-aged listeners.
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Absolutely. The chances that a young adult in the 70s would listen to or even know about acts from the 1920s and 30s were minimal, but it's not uncommon af all for a young adult today to listen to music from 50 years ago.

Old music is more popular than ever, for a variety of reasons (e.g. ease of access via streaming services, use of old songs in popular films/series and games, fragmented current music scene, etc).
 
AlwaysThere said:
Comparing them to *NSYNC seems somewhat disingenuous. Albums in the ‘80s and ‘90s not only sold lower and had longer shelf lives, but they also didn’t often debut at number one. Thriller, the best selling album in history, had to climb to #1.
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It is so impressive to think about the fact that Thriller was selling around one million copies, sometimes even more, a week, more than a year after its release. A true phenomenon!
 
AlwaysThere said:
Yeah, that makes sense. They’re probably testing the waters to see how the public responds to the first few projects. The Broadway show got a fair amount of criticism over Leaving Neverland, but the discussion around Thriller 40 so far has been positive. Hopefully this encourages them to take bigger swings.
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The funny thing is even with the media totally ignoring the broadway, acting like it doesn’t exist, AND with the all the reviews talking about the allegations… the show is still sold out every single day. It’s one of the highest grossing broadways in NYC, won 4 Tony Awards, and has celebrities going to see it. Michael cancelled cancel culture.

Thriller 40 will be the first big musical release since LN so it’s important it does well. Hopefully all the fans will support it :)
 
I Think Dangerous could have hit even harder had it been released maybe 1989 or as the first release in the 90's. - Sell the album 00:01 January 1st 1990.

But Dangerous still had momentum going and a huge tour when the false all-destroying allegations hit...

Had it not been for those stupid and false allegations everything would have looked a lot different. Maybe more tour dates, more singles - maybe even one more musicvideo, who knows...
 
Oprah happend because of the allegations I believe??

But I sure agree, 1993 could have been an amazin year had it not been for those stupid false allegations.
 
Hess said:
Oprah happend because of the allegations I believe??

But I sure agree, 1993 could have been an amazin year had it not been for those stupid false allegations.
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No, the Oprah interview was in February 1993, months before the allegations.

The start of 1993 was definitely a good period for MJ. There were a couple of big time-performances (Superbowl, Clinton inauguration) and appearances, and the Oprah interview showed a more personal side of him that definitely triggered additional interest. He actually said it quite well himself in his speech at the Grammy's this year (which was much longer than his speeches had tended to be), that he had "gone from 'where is he?' to 'here he is again'!" This also caused Dangerous to move up the charts again. I don't think it was a re-peak in the sense that it came close to the hype surrounding Thriller - that was never going to be replicated. But had the allegations not happened and had he continued with the planned album promotion, I do think it would have stayed in the charts for a bit longer.
 
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