New Netflix 'We Are the World' documentary!!

So I watched it and they made a short part of it being about the Prince and MJ rivalry.

They mentioned how Prince beat MJ for awards won at the AMA's. But what I don't get, MJ won all his awards in 1984. What more could he have won for the 1985 AMA's?

MJ wasn't even there anyways. He was already at the studio recording.
Right! Thriller came already came out in 82 & in Jan of 84 he won 8...so....just someone not having real facts. I h8 mj isn't here to tell his side of the story. Was gonna say Quincy but...ain't no telling what he'll say
 
I have watched it now. I really enjoyed it a lot. It is NOT a MJ doc. It's about the making of the song We Are The World.

To get so many superstars to come together and make it in just one looong night... Amazing. Just the logistics. All the calenders are pretty packed, and yet they managed.

I liked the footage of MJ and the parts where his voice was used. But I like many of the others singers too, so I really liked to see how they came together and made the impossible possible.

Nothing negative about MJ. A fair and positive doc that puts focus back on the music. MJ's genius is mentioned. He is called one of the best songwriters of all time. - This is exactly what is needed. Focus on his songwriting and singing skills.

Great doc. I miss the old days.
I'm totally with you, I thought this was a really well-done and enjoyable documentary. Sure, not a lot of new footage if you have seen the anniversary DVD set, and there are of course only so many stories that can be told about that session. But I thought it was really well put-together and it contained more tidbits that were new to me (or that I had forgotten) than I'd expected.

The chronological format (literally showing the clock several times) worked well to create some tension and to transport you back to the moment, for example when they shifted between the American Music Awards footage and the studio where MJ was already recording at the same time - really cool. The interviews were used really well, purely to contextualize the footage which otherwise told the story. I also enjoyed some of the interviewed artists describing their first reactions to hearing the demo in the days leading up to the recording session. They highlighted the interesting group dynamics that emerged there nicely. And after 39 years I finally got an explanation for Al Jarreau's totally absurd vocal takes - dude was as wasted as he sounded!

As you said, Michael was featured nicely too. His contributions were appropriately acknowledged (I too liked that Smokey explicitly referred to him as one of the greatest songwriters ever), and he came across as the dedicated pro and caring person he was. And was it just me, or did they show more footage of MJ just interacting with the other artists than we have seen in the past (e.g. when talking to Cyndi Lauper about what turned out to be her noisy jewelry)? I remembered him as coming across a bit more shy and aloof in the footage I had seen before.

A really enjoyable documentary that will make people nostalgic about a special moment in time.
 
For the general public who have not seen the DVD this will all be new. - It is very few people - mostly MJ fans I guess, who have bought that DVD. So this will be very nice for all the millions around the world that will now watch this on Netflix.

There is nothing but positive to say about this doc. Great.
 
I haven't seen this yet. I assume there's no mention of John Barnes' contribution, right?
 
The other weird thing about this, MJ was obviously still in touch with Quincy as they were meeting each other around this time (as mentioned in this documentary). How could they not know they had an obligation to fulfill another album together? Do we have any more info on that?

John Barnes mentioned in an interview they were under the assumption Quincy was done working with MJ as they fulfilled their contract obligation of albums together after Thriller. So is this true? And at what point did they realize Quincy still had to work on BAD? We need more background information on this.
 
^ I always assumed it was just Barnes who thought MJ was done with Q after Thriller.

Do we know how many albums the brothers were obliged to release with Epic/CBS? And in which period of time?

Same with MJ. What were the details of their initial contract with Epic/CBS?
 
I personally enjoyed the doc. While a good portion of it was in studio stuff, the high arching story was the back story behind We Are the World, how it came together, and what came of it. Towards the end, I actually got a bit emotional. While big MJ fans have seen majority of the footage of MJ included, it was still good - and really good for the general public.
 
I really enjoyed this doc and it made me emotional. I wonder if the young people here really understand what an incredible impact this song had....I remember going to a soccer game as a kid and the whole arena would sing WATW, getting goose bumps thinking about that.
 
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So, the shaala sharlin bit that Michael presented to the group - was that spontaneous because Stevie Wonder wanted some kind of African chant or was Michael referring to the demo as that part is in the demo, which was recorded before right?
 
The other weird thing about this, MJ was obviously still in touch with Quincy as they were meeting each other around this time (as mentioned in this documentary). How could they not know they had an obligation to fulfill another album together? Do we have any more info on that?

John Barnes mentioned in an interview they were under the assumption Quincy was done working with MJ as they fulfilled their contract obligation of albums together after Thriller. So is this true? And at what point did they realize Quincy still had to work on BAD? We need more background information on this.
I think it was because they also did the E.T Storybook album, so they thought for a short time that it counted as the third album from the contract, but it didn't.
 
I have watched it now. I really enjoyed it a lot. It is NOT a MJ doc. It's about the making of the song We Are The World.

To get so many superstars to come together and make it in just one looong night... Amazing. Just the logistics. All the calenders are pretty packed, and yet they managed.

I liked the footage of MJ and the parts where his voice was used. But I like many of the others singers too, so I really liked to see how they came together and made the impossible possible.

Nothing negative about MJ. A fair and positive doc that puts focus back on the music. MJ's genius is mentioned. He is called one of the best songwriters of all time. - This is exactly what is needed. Focus on his songwriting and singing skills.

Great doc. I miss the old days.

Glad to hear this.

I was worried it would downplay his genius.

Happy I was wrong

And to everyone complaining, there comes a time when we should all be more concerned about Michael's legacy and longevity that servicing fans wishes.

There's an entire new generation of teenagers who were born AFTER Michael died and are turning 13 and at the age when they develop their own music tastes. So while the footage in this doc may be old to us, to them it's new and exciting history to discover and learn about.

Like it or not the estate isn't wrong to want target this demographic with their projects instead of giving us fans what we want. If they only service Michael's older established fans his legacy will die out like Elvis is currently dying out. That recent biopic is not going to save him. Young people don't listen to Elvis Music anymore, and once his hardcore fans die out, that's it for him. He'll just be a relic of the past.
 
nope. there was profanity after all. I gave up. I should have known 🙁it’s nasty and I feel hurt and disrespected. know this isn’t a michael documentary, but generally speaking, younger generations will not get to know him if this is the way he is being presented. the two previous documentaries on the subject didn’t contain any of that. it’s not hard to do at all.
 
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Elvis did take a tumble on Spotify this week though, he is at 316 falling from 103 I think. Christmas effect is wearing off.
But on the other hand his streaming numbers have definitely risen since the biopic.
 
younger generations will not get to know him if this is the way he is being presented.
Are you talking about the younger generation who listens to Megan Thee Stallion, Drake, Cardi B, etc.? Hip hop is the most popular genre in the USA right now and has been a long time. Bruno Mars has cursing in some of his songs and so does Beyoncé & Taylor Swift. I don't think profanity will bother most of them, many kids use it themselves or their parents use it in front of them. There's some in Marvel movies and those have been some of the biggest moneymakers there is. They play video games like Grand Theft Auto where you can pick up prostitutes. So whatever curse words that are in this documentary is pretty mild compared to much of current mainstream entertainment.
 
at the moment Elvis culturally (in the UK & Ireland at least) is more relevant then MJ, i know classmates that were swooning for him a year or two back and are still big fans all because of that biopic.

remember though, new fans WILL mix their love for Michael with their love for Jafaar as Elvis fans have with Austin and Elvis, and us old fans need to be ready for the new fans to be mixing their love between the two singers.
 
Are you talking about the younger generation who listens to Megan Thee Stallion, Drake, Cardi B, etc.? Hip hop is the most popular genre in the USA right now and has been a long time. Bruno Mars has cursing in some of his songs and so does Beyoncé & Taylor Swift. I don't think profanity will bother most of them, many kids use it themselves or their parents use it in front of them. There's some in Marvel movies and those have been some of the biggest moneymakers there is. They play video games like Grand Theft Auto where you can pick up prostitutes. So whatever curse words that are in this documentary is pretty mild compared to much of current mainstream entertainment.
standards of decency in mainstream entertainment have dropped severely. that doesn’t mean that mine have to. it’s personal. just because the things you listed are happening, doesn’t make them right.

besides, a lot of streaming sites have parental codes to protect children from inappropriate content. the content itself is usually rated. the minimal age requirement to join social media platforms is usually age 13. radio stations usually edit out profanity from their songs.

parents who care will find ways to be active in their children’s lives, and instil values.

this situation is even worse than ‘thriller 40’. ‘we are the world’ was (in part) about the children. michael cared deeply about them. they were a large portion of the audience that he gained during the success of ‘thriller’. parents approved of michael as a role model for them, and it was one that he took serious pride in. he wouldn’t want them to be subjected to such foulness. he himself was known for not swearing during that time period.

it’s not just about children; there are clean living people of all ages. as I stated before, profanity was absent from the previous releases. there’s no reason for it to be present here. these posthumous releases are not honouring michael’s message.
 
A bad word here or there is not the end of the world. If MJ himself said bad words, then bad words are not going to "dishonor" anything. And you're talking to a religiously devout person who doesn't approve of profanity either. Not going to wag my finger about it though.
 
standards of decency in mainstream entertainment have dropped severely. that doesn’t mean that mine have to. it’s personal. just because the things you listed are happening, doesn’t make them right.

besides, a lot of streaming sites have parental codes to protect children from inappropriate content. the content itself is usually rated. the minimal age requirement to join social media platforms is usually age 13. radio stations usually edit out profanity from their songs.

parents who care will find ways to be active in their children’s lives, and instil values.

this situation is even worse than ‘thriller 40’. ‘we are the world’ was (in part) about the children. michael cared deeply about them. they were a large portion of the audience that he gained during the success of ‘thriller’. parents approved of michael as a role model for them, and it was one that he took serious pride in. he wouldn’t want them to be subjected to such foulness. he himself was known for not swearing during that time period.

it’s not just about children; there are clean living people of all ages. as I stated before, profanity was absent from the previous releases. there’s no reason for it to be present here. these posthumous releases are not honouring michael’s message.
I said nothing about your beliefs. I'm talking about the general public and the idea that newer generations can't find out who Michael Jackson is because a USA For Africa documentary has profanity in it. There's are a lot of parents who take their children, even babies, into R-rated movies at the theater. There's kids who take guns to school, their parents likely bought the guns for them. You can find a lot of photos of parents & kids posing together with guns. A lot of schools today have metal detectors. There's even some kids today who beat up the teachers, because they got their cell phone taken away. They film and post schoolyard fights on Youtube.

Mike himself used profanity on This Time Around. Mike was also known for grabbing his crotch in the 1980s. Which some parents complained about at the time. He was even asked about the crotch grabbing in the Oprah interview. If she mentioned it, then it was obviously well known. He recorded a song about groupies (Dirty Diana). I doubt Dirty Diana was a message for children, because they likely wouldn't be around any groupies who had sex with musicians backstage or at a hotel. Even in the 1980s, if kids were listening to the radio or watching MTV, Michael Jackson wasn't the only artist played there. There were many other singers/bands who didn't have a clean image (Mötley Crüe, Van Halen, Madonna, Prince, George Michael, 2 Live Crew, Plasmatics, etc.). There was a really popular song called Relax by Frankie Goes To Hollywood, which was not a clean message at all. Relax was not in some disguised double entendre form either, the lyrics are pretty clear on what it is about.

There were church people who didn't allow their children to listen to any secular music, only gospel & spirituals. They considered secular music the "devil's music". Michael Jackson would not qualify as a gospel or Christian singer.
besides, a lot of streaming sites have parental codes to protect children from inappropriate content. the content itself is usually rated. the minimal age requirement to join social media platforms is usually age 13. radio stations usually edit out profanity from their songs.
Do you really think all kids tell the truth about their age when joining a site (and the same for adults)? The radio does not matter if kids listen to music on Youtube, Spotify, TikTok and other streaming sites or satellite/subscription radio where the songs aren't the clean versions.
 
I said nothing about your beliefs. I'm talking about the general public and the idea that newer generations can't find out who Michael Jackson is because a USA For Africa documentary has profanity in it. There's are a lot of parents who take their children, even babies, into R-rated movies at the theater. There's kids who take guns to school, their parents likely bought the guns for them. You can find a lot of photos of parents & kids posing together with guns. A lot of schools today have metal detectors. There's even some kids today who beat up the teachers, because they got their cell phone taken away. They film and post schoolyard fights on Youtube.

Mike himself used profanity on This Time Around. Mike was also known for grabbing his crotch in the 1980s. Which some parents complained about at the time. He was even asked about the crotch grabbing in the Oprah interview. If she mentioned it, then it was obviously well known. He recorded a song about groupies (Dirty Diana). I doubt Dirty Diana was a message for children, because they likely wouldn't be around any groupies who had sex with musicians backstage or at a hotel. Even in the 1980s, if kids were listening to the radio or watching MTV, Michael Jackson wasn't the only artist played there. There were many other singers/bands who didn't have a clean image (Mötley Crüe, Van Halen, Madonna, Prince, George Michael, 2 Live Crew, Plasmatics, etc.). There was a really popular song called Relax by Frankie Goes To Hollywood, which was not a clean message at all. Relax was not in some disguised double entendre form either, the lyrics are pretty clear on what it is about.

There were church people who didn't allow their children to listen to any secular music, only gospel & spirituals. They considered secular music the "devil's music". Michael Jackson would not qualify as a gospel or Christian singer.

Do you really think all kids tell the truth about their age when joining a site (and the same for adults)? The radio does not matter if kids listen to music on Youtube, Spotify, TikTok and other streaming sites or satellite/subscription radio where the songs aren't the clean versions.
all I did was state, and explain why I will not continue watching the documentary. it’s a personal choice that I have a right to. I did not encourage others to boycott, and I did not call for the cancellation of the documentary. my decision affects no one. I simply shared my thoughts on a public forum.

yes, children will still be able to learn about michael. however, it won’t be within the wholesome context that he envisioned, or that people of my generation grew up with. which is a shame..

you listed more examples of bad parenting and underhanded children. this doesn’t change my opinion, in fact it reinforces it.

michael wasn’t known for doing any of the things you mentioned in the early 80’s. which is why I don’t acknowledge anything that happened after ‘we are the world’. the same way I don’t acknowledge anything janet jackson did post 1992 (‘the best things in life are free’).

I’ve explained this countless times in threads that you participated in. I know I am the odd one out and I don’t care. you can have the last word if you want to, but it won’t change how I feel or live.

from now on I’ll trust my own instincts. I should have known the documentary was unsuitable when it wasn’t made available under the settings that I had. I could have saved myself the hurt, which is irreversible.
 
all I did was state, and explain why I will not continue watching the documentary. it’s a personal choice that I have a right to. I did not encourage others to boycott, and I did not call for the cancellation of the documentary. my decision affects no one. I simply shared my thoughts on a public forum.

yes, children will still be able to learn about michael. however, it won’t be within the wholesome context that he envisioned, or that people of my generation grew up with. which is a shame..

you listed more examples of bad parenting and underhanded children. this doesn’t change my opinion, in fact it reinforces it.

michael wasn’t known for doing any of the things you mentioned in the early 80’s. which is why I don’t acknowledge anything that happened after ‘we are the world’. the same way I don’t acknowledge anything janet jackson did post 1992 (‘the best things in life are free’).

I’ve explained this countless times in threads that you participated in. I know I am the odd one out and I don’t care. you can have the last word if you want to, but it won’t change how I feel or live.

from now on I’ll trust my own instincts. I should have known the documentary was unsuitable when it wasn’t made available under the settings that I had. I could have saved myself the hurt, which is irreversible.
As much as i adore MJ a lot of what he did in front of the cameras was simply for that. MJ's voice was quite different when not in front of the camera most times and according to many others he could curse a blue streak. MJ also loved a drink , loved Jack Daniels , wine . Yet the "propoganda" was to show him as a vegetarian ( which he was not) and someone that was was perfection personified. He was incredible yes but human at the same time.
 
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