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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Mister_Jay_Tee said:
As soon as we admit that MJ never wanted to make music after Invincible (HIStory) again, at least until he had the pressure of being under the gun of AEG.
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MJ was still making music after Invincible.

The 2003-2004 sessions with Buxer and Michael Prince.
2005 Bahrain, then 2006 with will.i.am.
2007-2009 with Buxer, MP, RedOne, Neff-U, Akon, David Michael and Deepak Chopra

"I'm not gonna release albums anymore. We're just gonna put out a single every couple of months." - MJ to Michael Prince in 2009
 
SMJJ777 said:
MJ was still making music after Invincible.

The 2003-2004 sessions with Buxer and Michael Prince.
2005 Bahrain, then 2006 with will.i.am.
2007-2009 with Buxer, MP, RedOne, Neff-U, Akon, David Michael and Deepak Chopra

"I'm not gonna release albums anymore. We're just gonna put out a single every couple of months." - MJ to Michael Prince in 2009
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What is it with y'all twisting my words to get mad at some nonsense scenario you made up out of boredom? It pisses me off.

I know what Michael was freaking doing with his time. I also know he surely got sick of being looked at as nothing but a music machine. While as many other horrible things happened in his life. That doesn't mean he hated his talents or his fans or whatever else you're gonna say, it means multiple things can be carried in people's mind on a day to day basis.

Like the idea that I like talking about Michael but despise this website more and more every day.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
What is it with y'all twisting my words to get mad at some nonsense scenario you made up out of boredom? It pisses me off.

I know what Michael was freaking doing with his time. I also know he surely got sick of being looked at as nothing but a music machine. While as many other horrible things happened in his life. That doesn't mean he hated his talents or his fans or whatever else you're gonna say, it means multiple things can be carried in people's mind on a day to day basis.

Like the idea that I like talking about Michael but despise this website more and more every day.
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Nobody twisted your words. You literally said MJ didn't want to work on music any more until AEG and people are correcting you. Maybe stop posting stuff you know isn't true and then getting mad when people respond and you'd enjoy the website more.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Nobody twisted your words. You literally said MJ didn't want to work on music any more until AEG and people are correcting you. Maybe stop posting stuff you know isn't true and then getting mad when people respond and you'd enjoy the website more.
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In response to the statement that MJ didn't want to work with that Sheikh in 05. Which we also have no proof of aside from the fact that the tracks haven't leaked or whatever. Context matters first of all.

I also clarified in further comments that 1. It's a theory, and 2. I didn't quite mean making music, more making music for a commercial album to top Thriller on the pop charts or whatever. Which would be easily understandable.

And anyway, he was a perfectionist so it's perfectly valid that he was stressed out on the idea of yet *another* comeback and *another* album. Mentioning AEG is me saying MJ wanted to put the impetus on himself and give himself a reason to focus. Which sometimes we all need. I'm looking at it from an everyday perspective.

I don't care when people respond but I'm sick of the weird energy. Have a discussion, do not silence me. What I said is not even that cynical.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Alright yeah, that's fair, an album is a better distinction.

He got tired of Pop music, that's better said.
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Pop Music and all that it Entails. An album and the huge amount of judgement it undergoes.

It's probably worth its own thread really, did Michael enjoy making albums more when he was the main producer, or did he prefer the times with Quincy and his brothers and collabing more in a sense?
 
I agree that MJ seemed to have lost interest in full-fledged albums and eras, which I'm sure was compounded by the Sony conflict and the dissolution with 2 Seas. I don’t think that he lost his passion for making music, as evidenced by the fact that he never stopped. Even during trial prep, he was writing new songs and returning to older demos.

Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Pop Music and all that it Entails. An album and the huge amount of judgement it undergoes.

It's probably worth its own thread really, did Michael enjoy making albums more when he was the main producer, or did he prefer the times with Quincy and his brothers and collabing more in a sense?
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I think the latter. I think MJ enjoys collaboration, but it became pretty evident that he preferred being the boss and calling the shots.
 
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I haven’t seen anyone ever talk about it, so I wanted to bring up

What are the chances any 35/16 MM Reels or Copies leak? Is there any collector in possession of any Reels whether it be the short films, concerts or anything else?
 
threepea11 said:
I haven’t seen anyone ever talk about it, so I wanted to bring up

What are the chances any 35/16 MM Reels or Copies leak? Is there any collector in possession of any Reels whether it be the short films, concerts or anything else?
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Wrong thread.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Pop Music and all that it Entails. An album and the huge amount of judgement it undergoes.

It's probably worth its own thread really, did Michael enjoy making albums more when he was the main producer, or did he prefer the times with Quincy and his brothers and collabing more in a sense?
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I like this question.

I feel like it was both. Michael was a great collaborator and had no problem helping with writing songs or lending his voice for uncredited backing vocals....I love his work with his brothers as well as his work with Q [I wonder what Triumph would've been like had Q produced it] but I also feel he loved having that freedom of creating his own music with no restrictions
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Pop Music and all that it Entails. An album and the huge amount of judgement it undergoes.

It's probably worth its own thread really, did Michael enjoy making albums more when he was the main producer, or did he prefer the times with Quincy and his brothers and collabing more in a sense?
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I'm building an entire fantasy interview in my head around this brilliant question.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I agree that MJ seemed to have lost interest in full-fledged albums and eras, which I'm sure was compounded by the Sony conflict and the dissolution with 2 Seas. I don’t think that he lost his passion for making music, as evidenced by the fact that he never stopped. Even during trial prep, he was writing new songs and returning to older demos.


I think the latter. I think MJ enjoys collaboration, but it became pretty evident that he preferred being the boss and calling the shots.
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I didn't even think of the Sony stuff. Thriller 25 popped up but I didn't quite connect it to my point for some reason. It did feel very contractual though.

MJ just was waiting for the time when he could put out music for the love of it without all the excess stigma attached.
 
threepea11 said:
I haven’t seen anyone ever talk about it, so I wanted to bring up

What are the chances any 35/16 MM Reels or Copies leak? Is there any collector in possession of any Reels whether it be the short films, concerts or anything else?
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I vaguely remember the 35mm reel for Thriller being put up for auction a few years ago.

Someone has the Pepsi reels and cleaned it up
 
# I'm Into Something Good
# Ferry 'Cross The Mersey


A DVD of the making of the recording of "I Have This Dream" in the Metropolis Studio was played in court. It showed screaming fans mobbing the star as he arrived, then Jackson singing a few lines from "I'm Into Something Good" and "Ferry 'Cross The Mersey" before trying a couple of lines from "I Have This Dream".


Does anyone have a reliable source or link to a report from the London trial?
 
SmoothMel7 said:
# I'm Into Something Good
# Ferry 'Cross The Mersey


A DVD of the making of the recording of "I Have This Dream" in the Metropolis Studio was played in court. It showed screaming fans mobbing the star as he arrived, then Jackson singing a few lines from "I'm Into Something Good" and "Ferry 'Cross The Mersey" before trying a couple of lines from "I Have This Dream".


Does anyone have a reliable source or link to a report from the London trial?
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Didn't they play "He who makes the sky Grey" and some other Bahrain recordings in the Trial as well?
The report should give us a few insights
 
SmoothMel7 said:
# I'm Into Something Good
# Ferry 'Cross The Mersey


A DVD of the making of the recording of "I Have This Dream" in the Metropolis Studio was played in court. It showed screaming fans mobbing the star as he arrived, then Jackson singing a few lines from "I'm Into Something Good" and "Ferry 'Cross The Mersey" before trying a couple of lines from "I Have This Dream".


Does anyone have a reliable source or link to a report from the London trial?
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Trial in London? When was this?
 
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