Dangerous 2LP 33RPM & SACD announced

[R1chard]

The MoFi SACD's of Thriller & OTW, even on their red book cd layer, provide a gorgeous sound. For the first time, these albums shine as they should have been since day one!

Yeah, exactly. Even the CD layer of the MoFi is better than the CD layer from the Sony releases. The SACD is just something extra.

For those wondering whether Bad, Dangerous, or HIStory are even worth buying on SACD: around 95% of the material on those albums was originally recorded on analogue tape, then later transferred to digital tape - primarily so the final product could be marketed as fully digital (DDD).

Sounds like a couple of songs on Dangerous were digital tape. I might have imagined all of HIStory was digital. I seem to remember none of the MJ albums were labelled with "ADD" or "DDD" or anything similar.

Also, just because something is labeled "Hi-Res" doesn't automatically mean it'll sound better.

That's true. The same goes for both audio and video. It just means you have a bigger file, but it might be 32 bits of garbage.

What actually makes the difference is the quality of the transfer and mastering. That's what makes these versions worth picking up.

Agreed.

I'm quite sur I read somewhere it is "approximately between 20 kHz and 22 kHz (variable from a person to another)"

There is actually a HUGE variation from person to person. A young child might hear 18-20 kHz, but depending on their lifestyle, any hearing damage, and so on, it gets worse and worse as they get older. Somebody in middle age might only be able to hear up to 12 kHz.

Most people don't even realize how little (or how high!) they can actually hear

Yeah, people really should check this stuff out. My employer offers a free annual test, but there's stuff online you can use to test at home.

Good mastering is definitely what I'm interested in.

We need to spread the word...

It's not just about of what the human ear is capable of hearing.

Higher frequencies beyond 22K have an impact on the entire spectrum

Yeah, it's not just about how high the frequencies are. The signal is there and you can feel it, whether you can hear it or not

 

[mjfanboy27]

Do you know if history will also be released as vinyl at mofi

 

[Maxym]

There is actually a HUGE variation from person to person. A young child might hear 18-20 kHz, but depending on their lifestyle, any hearing damage, and so on, it gets worse and worse as they get older. Somebody in middle age might only be able to hear up to 12 kHz.

Yes, I agree. What I meant is that I think that the actual statistical maximum is not as precisely established as 22.05 and estimated around 20-22 kHz. Then, as you say, there are wider variations on case by case.

Do you know if history will also be released as vinyl at mofi

If I remember well, someone asked and they said they will do all MJ solo (post-Motown) albums, I'm not sure but I think from Off The Wall to Invincible.
Was it @mjfp who asked them?

 

[mjfp]

Sounds like a couple of songs on Dangerous were digital tape. I might have imagined all of HIStory was digital. I seem to remember none of the MJ albums were labelled with "ADD" or "DDD" or anything similar.

Brad said 90-95% of Dangerous and HIStory were recorded on analogue tape and then immediately transferred to digital tape. If you look at the Bad booklet it says "Recorded Digitally on the Mitsubishi Multi-track and stereo master recorders", back then everyone hyped all digital releases (DDD) and that's why it was done.

 

[Fuzball]

they will do all MJ solo (post-Motown) albums

They might do the Motown albums as well. The president of Mofi chose, when asked about it, not to comment on that matter atm.

 

[Fuzball]

Let's hope all MJ reissues do sell well, so they might consider relasing The Jacksons catalogue next; or at least just Destiny & Triumph.

 

[mjfanboy27]

It would be Mega blood on the dance floor to release again as vinyl

 

[R1chard]

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Yes, I agree. What I meant is that I think that the actual statistical maximum is not as precisely established as 22.05 and estimated around 20-22 kHz. Then, as you say, there are wider variations on case by case.

Yeah, for each person it just gradually drops off. I don't think anybody can actually hear 22 kHz.

Brad said 90-95% of Dangerous and HIStory were recorded on analogue tape and then immediately transferred to digital tape. If you look at the Bad booklet it says "Recorded Digitally on the Mitsubishi Multi-track and stereo master recorders", back then everyone hyped all digital releases (DDD) and that's why it was done.

I wasn't aware of that particular note. But I knew there wasn't the usual rectangle on the back like with other albums. And in the 80s there were hardly any digital albums.

Transferring to digital tape just to be able to make a claim seems a bit disingenuous. I'd still count that as ADD.

It would be Mega blood on the dance floor to release again as vinyl

It was on vinyl in 1997. Both on double LP and on picture disc. Go for it.

 

[Prince Of Pop]

Hopefully this includes unreleased tracks. Considering we never got a proper 25th anniversary for this album, Ill take it

 

[MJbr2]

I'd still count that as ADD.

Back of the original US CD:

 

[Fuzball]

Hopefully this includes unreleased tracks. Considering we never got a proper 25th anniversary for this album, Ill take it

It's just a reissue of the original 14 track album.

 

[DuranDuran]

Hopefully this includes unreleased tracks. Considering we never got a proper 25th anniversary for this album, Ill take it

MoFi doesn't do unreleased stuff. They only put out the original albums. Sometimes as a 2 record set at 45rpm instead of the original 33rpm. In the past they would release what was called "half speed masters" & also "quadraphonic" mixes, but those were done at the time of the original release. There were also quadraphonic 8-track tapes, which the original record labels would release

 

[SmoothGangsta]

Let's hope all MJ reissues do sell well, so they might consider relasing The Jacksons catalogue next; or at least just Destiny & Triumph.

That would be awesome. Didn't think about the possibility of them doing those as well.

 

[Fuzball]

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[R1chard]

I've been told delivery date is 31st August.

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

Love that I missed this. So glad it's coming. I need to invest in these.

 

[wonderouzmj]

Anybody got thier copy?

 

[Amaya]

Mine shipped yesterday, should get it Monday.

 

[mjfp]

mine says it will be shipped August 31

 

[mjfanboy27]

How can that work with others it is already sent others have to wait until the end of August

 

[Maxym]

Received shipping confirmation too.

However I usually have such packages delivered to someone else's place, someone who is more often home than I am.

(And also to avoid having things like when the bends the parcel so strong the it become a double-half-record (also happens with books and such) :

Spoiler: Broken record

)

But it seems they used invoicing address as shipping address... Though, they used the phone number of the actual shipping address.
(Can't investigate right now to be sure if it's their mistake or mine or my Internet browser's.)

 

[Maxym]

Now, I just noticed something else, more worrying. Both billing and delivery addresses are missing the country.

Looks like some US system ignoring other countries, at least for some fields.

Edit: I've checked my MoFi account: impossible to view the complete invoice with billing and delivery addresses. But my account does contain both addresses, correctly encoded. But in the given lisst, there's nothing telling which one is to use as a delivery address and which one is to use as a billing address.

Edit: Though, there's a DHL tracking number and this one mention the right destination country. So, maybe the address confusion only happened in the mailing system the sent the shipping confirmations.
Edit: Also a reply from MoFi confirms that they shipped to correct address, it is still unclear if they shipped to billing or shipping address, but that's much better than if they had shipped to as wrong country.

 

[JahirSGG]

Mine left since yesterday, estimated to arrive on Friday, August 1, I should have it in 3 to 5 more days

 

[Billyjeanplxiv]

My SACD sounded good. Havent tried the vinyl yet.

 

[wonderouzmj]

My SACD sounded good. Havent tried the vinyl yet.

I wanna hear it now so badly

 

[someplace_else]

Does anyone of you have the "normal" and the MoFi vinyl and compared both? Does it really make a big difference or is it more like a "when you listen very closely to the base drum at 1:46 then it's slightly different!" ? I'd love to buy it, but only if it's really a new listening experience...

 

[michaeljackson.nl]

Does anyone of you have the "normal" and the MoFi vinyl and compared both? Does it really make a big difference or is it more like a "when you listen very closely to the base drum at 1:46 then it's slightly different!" ? I'd love to buy it, but only if it's really a new listening experience...

I have the original 1991 vinyl and that one already sounds perfect, I will get the mofi one also in the coming months so I can compare then.

 

[Maxym]

My SACD sounded good. Havent tried the vinyl yet.

I expect the vinyl to use the same master as the SACD. But I'm also hoping someone will do a good comparison and tell us.

 

[Victor]

Can someone share a rip of the SACD?

 

[mjfp]

I expect the vinyl to use the same master as the SACD. But I'm also hoping someone will do a good comparison and tell us.

SACDs and Vinyl are never mastered the same at MoFi and via two different consoles (analogue for vinyl and UHR GAIN HD digital console for SACD) from what I know, comparing Off The Wall, Thriller and Hotel California, they also all sound different to me in direct comparison.