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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Eventidescape1 said:
I don't fully trust the Estate's liner notes either, they are patchy at times and very vague.

Check the Ultimate collection liner notes for instance. Bill Bottrell is credited on "In The Back" (done after his time), yet Bill doesn't remember contributing to that song at all as he said on twitter...
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We know Sunset Driver is from 1982 since at least the early 2000s. Bill often doesn‘t even remember what he did or didn‘t contribute to, I even find things I did just a couple years ago I forgot I ever did. A better example of TUC being inaccurate would be Unbreakable being recorded in 2002
 
mjfp said:
We know Sunset Driver is from 1982 since at least the early 2000s. Bill often doesn‘t even remember what he did or didn‘t contribute to, I even find things I did just a couple years ago I forgot I ever did. A better example of TUC being inaccurate would be Unbreakable being recorded in 2002
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You may have a point there.

In The Back was from the HIStory sessions and Bottrell was no longer in Michael's camp by then. He may have done additional work during BOTDF... But who knows anyways.
 
Eventidescape1 said:
Simply because it's a different vocal take Michael did.

There would be many '86 versions in the vault that Matt Forger selected elements from for the 'master' Bad 25 version. Some may have had different vocal takes to others, and Matt took certain parts that worked.
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Korg’s is actually from the Dangerous sessions
 
mjfp said:
We know Sunset Driver is from 1982 since at least the early 2000s. Bill often doesn‘t even remember what he did or didn‘t contribute to, I even find things I did just a couple years ago I forgot I ever did. A better example of TUC being inaccurate would be Unbreakable being recorded in 2002
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I think people like Sven Nelson uploading the song as an outtake from OTW didn't help either
 
Eventidescape1 said:
You may have a point there.

In The Back was from the HIStory sessions and Bottrell was no longer in Michael's camp by then. He may have done additional work during BOTDF... But who knows anyways.
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The released mix is btw from 97
 
mjfp said:
1. it‘s very clearly when you listen to it
2. I‘ve once heard it in full years ago
3. Korg said it was
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One thing: it's stitched from different recordings (including the Bad 25 version), which doesn't exactly help that.

How long is the full version if you mind me asking?
 
Eventidescape1 said:
One thing: it's stitched from different recordings (including the Bad 25 version), which doesn't exactly help that.

How long is the full version if you mind me asking?
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I have no idea, I only heard it once a good time ago. It was definitely longer
 
As it turns out, Sunset Driver was recorded at Yamaha R&D Studios in Glendale, California... That studio appears to have opened in 1981 and Keith Seppanen began his role as chief engineer there at the same time.
It's there if you check Discogs for information on both... It featured on the Feb '84 issue of Mix magazine - a professional music industry/studio magazine from the time - which said the studio was just under 3 years old then...

Which points to Sunset Driver being recorded at least as early as 1981. Presuming both the engineering and studio credits are accurate.
 
Random thought but considering that SPYHO was listed on an early listing for Bad SE, I wonder if the version that leaked is the same as the one intended for the SE on the early tracklist
 
Eventidescape1 said:
As it turns out, Sunset Driver was recorded at Yamaha R&D Studios in Glendale, California... That studio appears to have opened in 1981 and Keith Seppanen began his role as chief engineer there at the same time.
It's there if you check Discogs for information on both.

Which points to Sunset Driver being recorded at least as early as 1981... Presuming both credits are accurate.
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I live in Glendale and I have no recollection of a Yamaha R&D Studio, did it close? cant find any info on it online
 
threepea11 said:
Random thought but considering that SPYHO was listed on an early listing for Bad SE, I wonder if the version that leaked is the same as the one intended for the SE on the early tracklist
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It was definitely a short version of the song, I also remember me being told which version was supposed to be on there but I don‘t remember which one it was going to be, it either was a shortened down version of the 1987 or of the 1991 mix
 
Eventidescape1 said:
As it turns out, Sunset Driver was recorded at Yamaha R&D Studios in Glendale, California... That studio appears to have opened in 1981 and Keith Seppanen began his role as chief engineer there at the same time.
It's there if you check Discogs for information on both... It featured on the Feb '84 issue of Mix magazine - a professional music industry/studio magazine from the time - which said the studio was just under 3 years old then...

Which points to Sunset Driver being recorded at least as early as 1981. Presuming both the engineering and studio credits are accurate.
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that explains why Sunset Driver sounds so markedly different from the other tracks recorded at Westlake.
 
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