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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

threepea11 said:
Instead they confused everyone by releasing Sunset Driver for the 3rd time and saying that it was worked on for Thriller and Bad
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The mix itself was from the Bad sessions by Bill Bottrell, late May '86. They should have included pictures of the tape boxes as well like other artists/estates do for their box sets so we know when certain songs were from too...
 
Eventidescape1 said:
The mix itself was from the Bad sessions by Bill Bottrell, late May '86. They should have included pictures of the tape boxes as well like other artists/estates do for their box sets so we know when certain songs were from too...
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That's the one from Bad 25, Im talking about the Thriller take that leaked with added BGs
 
threepea11 said:
Technically we do have the Thriller take of it
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It was released on Bad 25 and that was basically a mishmash of all the different recordings made for Bad. Matt Forger said so in a Bad 25 interview for a french MJ website I remember.

Some elements were recorded at Hayvenhurst and others during the early Westlake sessions before it was abandoned in late '86.
 
This was an early Thriller list before songs were replaced during the last few weeks of the session

Wanna Be Startin Somethin
Hot Street
The Girl Is Mine
Thriller
Billie Jean
She's Trouble
Nightline
Carousel
The Lady In My Life
 
Eventidescape1 said:
The mix itself was from the Bad sessions by Bill Bottrell, late May '86. They should have included pictures of the tape boxes as well like other artists/estates do for their box sets so we know when certain songs were from too...
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same but I wouldn't be shocked if they were either saving the tape box deep dive for the biopic soundtrack promotion or are all like "a magician nevuh reveals his sekriiss" or some bullshit like that.
 
threepea11 said:
That's the one from Bad 25, Im talking about the Thriller take that leaked with added BGs
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Not sure what you mean. Do you mean Sunset Driver or DBMR?

To reiterate, released mix on Thriller 40 for Sunset Driver IS Bill Bottrell's 1986 mix. Bill suggested on Twitter that MJ pulled it out of the vault and he just did a straight mix of it....
The recording's from OTW era but mixed in '86.
 
Eventidescape1 said:
It was released on Bad 25 and that was basically a mishmash of all the different recordings made for Bad. Matt Forger said so in a Bad 25 interview for a french MJ website I remember.

Some elements were recorded at Hayvenhurst and others during the early Westlake sessions before it was abandoned in late '86.
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I'm talking about the Thriller one that Korgnex leaked, look on the MJ Tracker
 
Eventidescape1 said:
Not sure what you mean. Do you mean Sunset Driver or DBMR?

To reiterate, released mix on Thriller 40 for Sunset Driver IS Bill Bottrell's 1986 mix. Bill suggested on Twitter that MJ pulled it out of the vault and he just did a straight mix of it....
The recording's from OTW era but mixed in '86.
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it was recorded in 82, not during Off The Wall
 
threepea11 said:
Where did the idea that it was OTW come from? just cus it sounds OTW?
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Sunset Driver

"Sunset Driver" is a previously unreleased song written and produced by American singer-songwriter Michael Jackson released as the seventh track from The Ultimate Collection. It was later re-released in 2022 on the Thriller 40 reissue. "Sunset Driver" was first recorded between November...
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Eventidescape1 said:
Sounds like one of those '86 recordings Michael made. Very close to the Bad 25 version.

I doubt it's from Thriller though.
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It has different vocals and a more complete instrumental. Its noted that it was leaked with added elements from the 1986 version
 
Eventidescape1 said:
michael-jackson.fandom.com

Sunset Driver

"Sunset Driver" is a previously unreleased song written and produced by American singer-songwriter Michael Jackson released as the seventh track from The Ultimate Collection. It was later re-released in 2022 on the Thriller 40 reissue. "Sunset Driver" was first recorded between November...
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ah yes ofc the "MJ wiki"
 
threepea11 said:
Where did the idea that it was OTW come from? just cus it sounds OTW?
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mainly cause it was placed on Disc 1 in The Ultimate Collection, although even the (sometimes faulty) booklet says the correct date of 1982
 
Eventidescape1 said:
michael-jackson.fandom.com

Sunset Driver

"Sunset Driver" is a previously unreleased song written and produced by American singer-songwriter Michael Jackson released as the seventh track from The Ultimate Collection. It was later re-released in 2022 on the Thriller 40 reissue. "Sunset Driver" was first recorded between November...
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yea unless it has direct quotes or links to said info, don‘t trust it
 
threepea11 said:
It has different vocals and a more complete instrumental. Its noted that it was leaked with added elements from the 1986 version
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Who said it was Thriller sessions though??

There's not much proof of that as far as I'm concerned, but let's agree to disagree. I think '86, you think '82. Done.
 
Eventidescape1 said:
Who said it was Thriller sessions though??

There's not much proof of that as far as I'm concerned, but let's agree to disagree. I think '86, you think '82. Done.
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Matt Forger (who did the remix) said everything used in the released Don‘t Be Messin‘ Round was recorded during the Bad sessions and aimed to create a true Bad version of the song
 
mjfp said:
yea unless it has direct quotes or links to said info, don‘t trust it
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I don't fully trust the Estate's liner notes either, they are patchy at times and very vague.

Check the Ultimate collection liner notes for instance. Bill Bottrell is credited on "In The Back" (done after his time), yet Bill doesn't remember contributing to that song at all as he said on twitter...
 
mjfp said:
Matt Forger (who did the remix) said everything used in the released Don‘t Be Messin‘ Round was recorded during the Bad sessions and aimed to create a true Bad version of the song
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It's about that Korgnex "redux" version, not the Bad 25 version...

Bad 25 version was definitely from '86. I also think the Korgnex "redux" is from '86 (it sounds close enough to the Bad 25 version) but they think it's 82...
 
threepea11 said:
Then why does it have different verse vocals?
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Simply because it's a different vocal take Michael did.

There would be many '86 versions in the vault that Matt Forger selected elements from for the 'master' Bad 25 version. Some may have had different vocal takes to others, and Matt took certain parts that worked.
 
Eventidescape1 said:
But the tracker itself is just collating from whatever other info sources are out there.

That alone is not enough to convince me it's from '82 though. I still think it's 86. Let's agree to disagree as I said.
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then someone ask korgnex then, cause if multiple sources say its from Thriller, its most likely from it
 
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