"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

Considering Janet is not on board at all with this film , her reaction is to be expected.

I’m more concerned about the comments regarding the acting and make up.

The biggest though was the mention that we’re all looking for that moment again , and it’s Michael, but he’s not even here or something along those lines!

I hope they did not mean that despite a good portrayal from Jaafar, it still lacked that magic that the real MJ brought
 
Considering Janet is not on board at all with this film , her reaction is to be expected.

I’m more concerned about the comments regarding the acting and make up.

The biggest though was the mention that we’re all looking for that moment again , and it’s Michael, but he’s not even here or something along those lines!

I hope they did not mean that despite a good portrayal from Jaafar, it still lacked that magic that the real MJ brought
I wasn't worried about the makeup until I saw that picture of Jafaar in the Beat It scene beside Antoine if I'm honest. That was one of the things I thought would have been spot on.
 
Germ is back in the USA? I thought he was a wanted man lol
 
Considering Janet is not on board at all with this film , her reaction is to be expected.

I’m more concerned about the comments regarding the acting and make up.

The biggest though was the mention that we’re all looking for that moment again , and it’s Michael, but he’s not even here or something along those lines!

I hope they did not mean that despite a good portrayal from Jaafar, it still lacked that magic that the real MJ brought
Of course it's going to lack that magic. No one else in existence brought what MJ brought to the table. But it's a celebration of that. And so far, it looks like a damn good one.
 
Does this not pretty much confirm that the film ends at Victory, with the live performance of Bad being the beginning/ending scene? The words “early solo career” are even used
Antoine mentions Bad and Michael being free so maybe it works backwards?
 
I know this might come across as a lot of reaction/commentary about the movie, maybe even a bit too much but I NEED to say it. Some people will watch this film and just enjoy it on the surface. They’re just fans, they like the feeling it gives them, they like seeing anything related to Michael and that’s perfectly okay. They might not question the concept, the plot or the production, they just enjoy it as it is and for them that’s enough.
But then there are fans who go deeper and some who maybe go too far? Fans who are really skeptical, who question everything, who know a lot about Michael’s life. And sometimes we might take it too far, we dig into his private life, analyze everything, try to understand him? maybe we do this because we love him but sometimes it can go a little too far!
I think I fall somewhere in the middle? I love the concept of the movie, the production. Making a film about him is a really good l thing and I know it’s still respectful, especially with the family involved! That’s the part casual fans will enjoy but for me, sometimes it doesn’t feel like Michael’s energy is really there? I see people saying “oh my God, this is amazing, I wish Michael could’ve seen it, could’ve been part of it” but I don’t think he would’ve been completely happy with the concept or how the story is going to be told? Like he don’t want his story to be told, because he’s genuinely don’t seem happy about it? Maybe if he were alive, it would’ve been something different, not exactly a biopic in this form? I don’t think he would’ve wanted to be portrayed this way, even with his family involved, I can’t help but feel like there’s something missing. His relationship with them was complicated, It wasn’t perfect, which is normal in families but there was always something off in THEIR family. I don’t think he hated them obviously but I’m not sure he fully loved them either? Yeah they supported him in the hardest times, yes but there was always something layered and complicated in that love? I’m thinking about his spirit watching this, maybe it’s a little delusional but I feel like he might not have fully approved? Like please don’t tell my life, as if it’s completely same as being naked in front of hundreds of people?
 
I’d be more worried about looking at things through a certain lenses related to MJ. His beliefs, how they changed over the years, fulfilling certain quotas on topics and sanitizing certain characters. Not even in this case someone like Joe, but Katherine. She is alive. Have they consulted what she would want or how she would portray this?
 
I really dislike how the director say that Bad is the moment he was free; that mean it was not really Michael during Off the Wall or Thriller ? That seem really that everything before Bad suck like lot of fans like to say; I feel they will show that his family were the ultimates bad guys; that sound more an Estate mandate that an objective analysis of his life, the fact is the problem really begin for him with Bad, not before.
 
I really dislike how the director say that Bad is the moment he was free; that mean it was not really Michael during Off the Wall or Thriller ? That seem really that everything before Bad suck like lot of fans like to say; I feel they will show that his family were the ultimates bad guys; that sound more an Estate mandate that an objective analysis of his life, the fact is the problem really begin for him with Bad, not before.
He's referring to being free from Joseph as his manager and had complete control of his career.

ie. Freedom.
 
I really dislike how the director say that Bad is the moment he was free; that mean it was not really Michael during Off the Wall or Thriller ? That seem really that everything before Bad suck like lot of fans like to say; I feel they will show that his family were the ultimates bad guys; that sound more an Estate mandate that an objective analysis of his life, the fact is the problem really begin for him with Bad, not before.
MJ himself said he was the saddest in his life during the Off The Wall era; literally walking down the street at night wanting to meet someone, he was so lonely.
 
He's referring to being free from Joseph as his manager and had complete control of his career.

ie. Freedom.
He was free from Joe around Thriller, he was no more his manager, and I think it was the case of his brothers too.
 
MJ himself said he was the saddest in his life during the Off The Wall era; literally walking down the street at night wanting to meet someone, he was so lonely.
He have said also the happiest moment in his life was during Thriller, he didn't seem really happy during Bad; it was the moment of all his problems.

Sorry, but you are wrong, he have said in an interview of 2008 that he was the happiest during Off the Wall and Thriller, see yourself (around 2min10):


That not a surprise, he was always smiling, positive during these times, unlike during Bad and after;
 
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He was free from Joe around Thriller, he was no more his manager, and I think it was the case of his brothers too.
For God's sake, he meant the album. MJ was still under his father's management when he was making Thriller and for several years after - Bad is when he was finally artistically (and mentally) free. God almighty.

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He was free from Joe around Thriller, he was no more his manager, and I think it was the case of his brothers too.
In addition to this, let's not forget that after Thriller Q did encourage Michael to write more on his own; so on a creative level he was free too.
 
That's all fine for the average viewer. It's clearly not fine for his daughter (and now apparently his sister).

The "creative liberations" taken for Bohemian Rhapsody are probably the biggest reason that the majority of big Queen fans (who would use their MJJC equivalent like us, let's say) loathe the film. The changes were made at Freddie's expense which made it ten times worse. But hey, it made 900 mil.

I just hope that the creative liberties made were not as detrimental to MJ as Bohemian Rhapsody was to Freddie, or certainly Back to Black to Amy Winehouse (which was absolute horsesh*t what they did - and the film itself).

At the end of the day, for anyone who dislikes or even hates the film, they can simply just never watch it again and move on. I haven't thought about Bohemian Rhapsody since the last time I saw it until the past few months with the build up to this and once it's all over I'll probably not think of it again for a long time. If I don't like "Michael" it will be as simple as that and I can move on like any other film. He's not my father or brother.
Curious what you consider detrimental? Any specific concerns?
 
For God's sake, he meant the album. MJ was still under his father's management when he was making Thriller and for several years after - Bad is when he was finally artistically (and mentally) free. God almighty.

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Okay for Thriller, but that would mean Victory was the first album not Bad ? and honestly that change nothing about Joe role who was superficial no ? So for you Off the Wall and Thriller was not really a Michael album ? In this case he should have stayed with his father if he has such influence; because that his two best albums.
 
In addition to this, let's not forget that after Thriller Q did encourage Michael to write more on his own; so on a creative level he was free too.
That curious because it was the moment him and Quincy were in conflict, during Bad, so that don't look like they were in the same page during this album.

And Thriller40th have proven that he has written enough materials for a full album, so Bad was not the first time, with his brothers he have written most of the songs too.
 
Curious what you consider detrimental? Any specific concerns?
For "Michael" specifically, I'm afraid that certain people that are still alive may come out of situations looking stronger than in real life, or making MJ look weak (at times when he wasn't) and that he needed their help, or without their help etc etc all those kinds of tropes.

But Back to Black alluded that Amy all but killed herself after learning that her ex had just had a baby. I don't expect anything near that level of assassination without proof.
 
Okay for Thriller, but that would mean Victory was the first album not Bad ? and honestly that change nothing about Joe role who was superficial no ? So for you Off the Wall and Thriller was not really a Michael album ? In this case he should have stayed with his father if he has such influence; because that his two best albums.
Wait until you see the film. I'm sure the Victory part will be eye opening for you.
 
Wait until you see the film. I'm sure the Victory part will be eye opening for you.
I know very well Victory era, I don't need the movie for that, and to be honest I'm not sure I will see the movie, if the director and the estate objective was too show how everything before Bad sucked, that lot of red flags for me.
 
@innuendo141 and @dam2040

Well honestly that sound alot like that, how you interpret that before Bad he was not free ? Sorry for an artist that like an insult and that create a negative undertone of his pre-Bad project.
 
@innuendo141 and @dam2040

Well honestly that sound alot like that, how you interpret that before Bad he was not free ? Sorry for an artist that like an insult and that create a negative undertone of his pre-Bad project.
This is nothing more than a massive overreaction. Michael wanted to be creating his own ideas, on his own, without the brothers anymore. That doesn't invalidate any of it, it's also a 40+ year old fact so I'm not quite sure why you're desperately clinging onto this.
 
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