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The Official 'Michael' Bio-Pic Thread

blair said:
I really dislike how the director say that Bad is the moment he was free; that mean it was not really Michael during Off the Wall or Thriller ? That seem really that everything before Bad suck like lot of fans like to say; I feel they will show that his family were the ultimates bad guys; that sound more an Estate mandate that an objective analysis of his life, the fact is the problem really begin for him with Bad, not before.
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MJ himself said he was the saddest in his life during the Off The Wall era; literally walking down the street at night wanting to meet someone, he was so lonely.
 
innuendo141 said:
He's referring to being free from Joseph as his manager and had complete control of his career.

ie. Freedom.
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He was free from Joe around Thriller, he was no more his manager, and I think it was the case of his brothers too.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
MJ himself said he was the saddest in his life during the Off The Wall era; literally walking down the street at night wanting to meet someone, he was so lonely.
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He have said also the happiest moment in his life was during Thriller, he didn't seem really happy during Bad; it was the moment of all his problems.

Sorry, but you are wrong, he have said in an interview of 2008 that he was the happiest during Off the Wall and Thriller, see yourself (around 2min10):


That not a surprise, he was always smiling, positive during these times, unlike during Bad and after;
 
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blair said:
He was free from Joe around Thriller, he was no more his manager, and I think it was the case of his brothers too.
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For God's sake, he meant the album. MJ was still under his father's management when he was making Thriller and for several years after - Bad is when he was finally artistically (and mentally) free. God almighty.

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Regarding the story that is out mentioning both Janet and Jermaine. I know for certain (for a fact) that it is complete fabrication, and Jermaine has not even been in town.

Don't buy it....
 
blair said:
He was free from Joe around Thriller, he was no more his manager, and I think it was the case of his brothers too.
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In addition to this, let's not forget that after Thriller Q did encourage Michael to write more on his own; so on a creative level he was free too.
 
innuendo141 said:
That's all fine for the average viewer. It's clearly not fine for his daughter (and now apparently his sister).

The "creative liberations" taken for Bohemian Rhapsody are probably the biggest reason that the majority of big Queen fans (who would use their MJJC equivalent like us, let's say) loathe the film. The changes were made at Freddie's expense which made it ten times worse. But hey, it made 900 mil.

I just hope that the creative liberties made were not as detrimental to MJ as Bohemian Rhapsody was to Freddie, or certainly Back to Black to Amy Winehouse (which was absolute horsesh*t what they did - and the film itself).

At the end of the day, for anyone who dislikes or even hates the film, they can simply just never watch it again and move on. I haven't thought about Bohemian Rhapsody since the last time I saw it until the past few months with the build up to this and once it's all over I'll probably not think of it again for a long time. If I don't like "Michael" it will be as simple as that and I can move on like any other film. He's not my father or brother.
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Curious what you consider detrimental? Any specific concerns?
 
innuendo141 said:
For God's sake, he meant the album. MJ was still under his father's management when he was making Thriller and for several years after - Bad is when he was finally artistically (and mentally) free. God almighty.

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Okay for Thriller, but that would mean Victory was the first album not Bad ? and honestly that change nothing about Joe role who was superficial no ? So for you Off the Wall and Thriller was not really a Michael album ? In this case he should have stayed with his father if he has such influence; because that his two best albums.
 
Fuzball said:
In addition to this, let's not forget that after Thriller Q did encourage Michael to write more on his own; so on a creative level he was free too.
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That curious because it was the moment him and Quincy were in conflict, during Bad, so that don't look like they were in the same page during this album.

And Thriller40th have proven that he has written enough materials for a full album, so Bad was not the first time, with his brothers he have written most of the songs too.
 
KOPV said:
Curious what you consider detrimental? Any specific concerns?
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For "Michael" specifically, I'm afraid that certain people that are still alive may come out of situations looking stronger than in real life, or making MJ look weak (at times when he wasn't) and that he needed their help, or without their help etc etc all those kinds of tropes.

But Back to Black alluded that Amy all but killed herself after learning that her ex had just had a baby. I don't expect anything near that level of assassination without proof.
 
blair said:
Okay for Thriller, but that would mean Victory was the first album not Bad ? and honestly that change nothing about Joe role who was superficial no ? So for you Off the Wall and Thriller was not really a Michael album ? In this case he should have stayed with his father if he has such influence; because that his two best albums.
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Wait until you see the film. I'm sure the Victory part will be eye opening for you.
 
innuendo141 said:
Wait until you see the film. I'm sure the Victory part will be eye opening for you.
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I know very well Victory era, I don't need the movie for that, and to be honest I'm not sure I will see the movie, if the director and the estate objective was too show how everything before Bad sucked, that lot of red flags for me.
 
@innuendo141 and @dam2040

Well honestly that sound alot like that, how you interpret that before Bad he was not free ? Sorry for an artist that like an insult and that create a negative undertone of his pre-Bad project.
 
blair said:
@innuendo141 and @dam2040

Well honestly that sound alot like that, how you interpret that before Bad he was not free ? Sorry for an artist that like an insult and that create a negative undertone of his pre-Bad project.
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This is nothing more than a massive overreaction. Michael wanted to be creating his own ideas, on his own, without the brothers anymore. That doesn't invalidate any of it, it's also a 40+ year old fact so I'm not quite sure why you're desperately clinging onto this.
 
dam2040 said:
This is nothing more than a massive overreaction. Michael wanted to be creating his own ideas, on his own, without the brothers anymore. That doesn't invalidate any of it, it's also a 40+ year old fact so I'm not quite sure why you're desperately clinging onto this.
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I hope I'm overracting, but that don't sound good, that not about if Michael should have left his brothers, I don't know why you talk about that, it's how you show that in a respectful way, that don't seem the case here.
 
innuendo141 said:
For "Michael" specifically, I'm afraid that certain people that are still alive may come out of situations looking stronger than in real life, or making MJ look weak (at times when he wasn't) and that he needed their help, or without their help etc etc all those kinds of tropes.

But Back to Black alluded that Amy all but killed herself after learning that her ex had just had a baby. I don't expect anything near that level of assassination without proof.
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Michael isn't shown as weak. I don't think other peoples importance will be beyond what fans are expecting. There was actually a couple last minute changes for the better.. After watching the movie, look back at the trailer, you'll pick up on one of the changes.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Buddy just always wants to kick Bad for some reason and prop up Thriller.

Poor Thriller, the greatest selling album of all time. It’s not beloved by the fans like it should be.
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Because peoples like you, and apparently this director, seem to think Bad was his peak of his career and that simply untrue, it was seen like a big letdown.
 
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