2006 Conspiracy To Unwillingly Bankrupt Michael Jackson

[Dangerous Incorporated]

By Dan Whitcomb


LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Pop star Michael Jackson has stumbled across a conspiracy by former attorneys, associates and advisers to force him into financial ruin, his spokeswoman said on Monday.


The plot was discovered after someone leaked documents to Jackson showing that unnamed former lawyers for the 47-year-old singer tried to recruit others into a petition that would drag him unwillingly into bankruptcy court, his spokeswoman and manager Raymone Bain said.


"In what could be one of the biggest conspiracies in entertainment history, documents have been sent to Michael Jackson and his representatives which reveal a deliberate plan by some former attorneys as well as associates and advisers to force Mr. Jackson into involuntary bankruptcy," Bain said.


During his four-month trial on child molestation charges last year, prosecutors asserted that the self-styled "King of Pop" was in perilous financial shape due to mounting debt.
Bain declined to name the conspirators, saying that Jackson had ordered his current legal team to investigate the scheme and file lawsuits in multiple jurisdictions.


"In addition, there is a strong possibility that these documents will be forwarded to the U.S. Attorney General for review and possible involvement," Bain said.


Bain also declined to say who provided the documents to Jackson, who she said was busy shopping for a home in Europe and recording material for his first studio album of new material since 2001.


Jackson, who has made few public appearances since his acquittal on child molestation charges in 2005, announced in June that he had severed ties with his longtime business managers as part of a "sweeping restructuring" of his affairs.​

In March, state authorities ordered Jackson to close his Neverland Valley Ranch in the California foothills for failing to pay the staff or maintain proper insurance. In April, Jackson reached a deal to finance more than $200 million in loans secured by his stake in the Beatles song catalogue.
Bain said it was not yet clear why Jackson's former attorneys and associates would want to force bankruptcy on the onetime child star, who ruled the pop charts during the 1980s with such albums as "Off the Wall" and "Thriller."
"That's what we'd like to find out," Bain said. "But Michael Jackson was neither shocked nor surprised. He's always been suspicious that some of those whom he entrusted to act on his behalf ... may not have acted in his best interests."​

 

[Tiny Bird]

Sorry if this may seem unrelated... I think it IS related, and this is what I thought was happening from the beginning...

Britney Spears Said Drugged And Controlled By Manager
By Dan Whitcomb
Reuters

Britney Spears has been "drugged" by her self-styled manager in a bid to take control of her home, life and finances, the troubled pop star's mother charged in court documents made public on Tuesday.

Lynne Spears, in a sworn declaration submitted to the court to obtain a temporary restraining order against Sam Lutfi, paints a disturbing picture of her 26-year-old daughter as confused, numbed by drugs and virtually held captive by her sometime-manager.

"Mr. Lutfi drugged Britney. He has cut Britney's home phone line and removed her cell-phone chargers. He yells at her. He claims to control everything -- Britney's business manager, her attorneys and security guards at the gate," Lynne Spears wrote in the declaration.

She describes arriving at her daughter's Los Angeles home on January 28, days before she was forcibly hospitalized, finding Lutfi was in charge and the entertainer confused.

"Britney ... became very agitated and could not stop moving," Lynne Spears wrote in the court papers.

"She cleaned the house. She changed her clothes many times. She also changed her dogs' clothes many times. Britney spoke to me in a tone and with the level of understanding of a very young girl," she said.

[It is my opinion that this is possibly a triggered manifestation of an "alter" personality created by the controllers at a preschool or elementary age. The same phenomenon can be witnessed in the infamous video of Anna Nicole Smith taken days before her death where she too seems to have reverted to a severely undeveloped mental state. -3EN]

Lynne Spears said Lutfi told her and a friend that he gave Britney Spears pills ground up in her food to keep her quiet and at one point he told her she had to take "10 pills a day" if she wanted to see her two young children.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0146041020080205

 

[xo_lola_xo]

I just shook my read the whole time when reading that but it's not suprising.

Poor Michael.
I'll never understand how people can hate on him.

 

[Autumn II]

Thanks for posting. In terms of the first article, it would have been REALLY helpful if the author had named names, instead of just saying "former attorneys." I also see that it's Raymone who "uncovered the plot." She is very sketchy. So, dunno. Does she mean Branca, by any chance? The article would have done a lot of good if names were named and it could be verified. The beat goes on. But thanks for posting. Interesting, and also about Britney Spears. I don't exactly doubt it. Sounds like some sort of drug-induced regression into childhood? Chilling. . .

 

[kasume]

Great finding. Is this info brand new? Like did they just find this information out??

"In addition, there is a strong possibility that these documents will be forwarded to the U.S. Attorney General for review and possible involvement," Bain said.

Possible involvement of what? Wish she could be more clear.

 

[goldiee]

I remember this. And then we never heard about this again. Of course, Raymone ended up joining the witchhunt.

 

[kottur13]

Interesting.

Although why must every article make a dig at him? I'm referring to the "self-styled King of Pop" part.

Whatever. :smilerolleyes:

 

[Dangerous Incorporated]

This article is from 8/8/06.

 

[xthunderx2]

Thanks for posting. In terms of the first article, it would have been REALLY helpful if the author had named names, instead of just saying "former attorneys." I also see that it's Raymone who "uncovered the plot." She is very sketchy. So, dunno. Does she mean Branca, by any chance? The article would have done a lot of good if names were named and it could be verified. The beat goes on. But thanks for posting. Interesting, and also about Britney Spears. I don't exactly doubt it. Sounds like some sort of drug-induced regression into childhood? Chilling. . .

well Branca was incharge of Michael's affairs in 2006..?? No??.....IDK...It is hard to know who she is talking about....also WAS Branca in at that time..

EDIT.....YES Branca was his lawyer then..from 1980-2006........then he supposedly hired him again before he pasted away as we know.....I dont know how accurate OP article is....but again it makes me raise my eyebrow...

 

[jrsfan]

well Branca was incharge of Michael's affairs in 2006..?? No??.....IDK...It is hard to know who she is talking about....also WAS Branca in at that time..

EDIT.....YES Branca was his lawyer then..from 1980-2006........then he supposedly hired him again before he pasted away as we know.....I dont know how accurate OP article is....but again it makes me raise my eyebrow...

Branca was fired before the 93 molestation charges & brought back in maybe Dec. 93. He was fired again in 2003 along with Trudi Green(maybe left) & Barry Siegel. Barry Siegel was the accountant, was given a letter to which he complied with & resigned from the will I think in August of 03.

link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,80404,00.html
firing of Branca by fax, Trudy Green left, fired Barry Siegel -3-6-2003

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > ENTERTAINMENT

***** Fires Longtime Lawyer, Adviser

Thursday, March 06, 2003
By Roger Friedman
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***** Fires Longtime Lawyer, Advisers
There is chaos in the world of Michael Jackson. On Monday he fired his longtime adviser and attorney John Branca. By fax, of all things.
For Branca, the sudden news came just as Jackson's manager, Trudy Green, left the singer. Last week, Jackson also fired his longtime accountant, Barry Siegel, as well. (All parties declined to comment.)


He was brought back in 2005 along with Koppelman & Malnik. As far as I can decipher from reading articles etc. there were 3 deals on the table for MJ regarding his finances. They had one. Branca was angry apparently at the end because he turned Malnik in for his "money laundering loan company" to the feds which was mentioned in Joe's petition for the will. The source for this article is good too, so I think it is pretty accurate.

link:
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB111819644592353818-Idje4NolaN4n5upbHuGca2Fm4.html





[FONT=&quot]This spring, that's exactly what some of his closest advisers were urging. The group included longtime associates such as entertainment attorney John G. Branca, veteran music-industry executive Charles A. Koppelman and Miami attorney Alvin I. Malnik. A long list of buyers has expressedinterest in the business, according to several people involved with the matter. Sony itself has had its eye on Mr. Jackson's stake for years and ex-Beatle Paul McCartney has closely followed the company's history, according to a person close to him.

Even after the sale to Fortress, which forestalled a bigger financial crisis, these advisers continued to urge the singer to sell. They are worried about an estimated $10 million legal tab in the criminal case and a possible bankruptcy filing.

To his advisers, Mr. Jackson has expressed an emotional tie to the Sony/ATV asset -- he bought it partly out of love for the Beatles -- and has resisted that advice. Instead, he turned to a longtime friend, Mr. Burkle. As managing partner of closely held Yucaipa Cos. LLC, a private investment firm, Mr. Burkle has little music-industry experience.

According to Jesse Jackson, who has allied himself with Mr. Burkle, the billionaire adviser agreed to analyze the situation. Mr. Burkle has told the singer the debt crunch could be resolved in a way that would avoid a sale, according to a person close to Mr. Burkle.



This is my opinion: The Jacksons arranged for people to compete over his asset. The people competing couldn't be sure of the trial results. I think it was kind of like the commercial - banks compete you win, etc. Joe was the one who called Jesse Jackson in who really helped MJ with it. The trial was so long ago but there were people who reportedly saw Joe, MJ have some meeting in a hotel - I am sure Randy was there too, but alot of reporters don't recognize him. Sorry to not have a link for the meeting but it was definitely reported, it stuck in my mind as it seemed unusual. There may have been video too. Not sure, but I think so.
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[jrsfan]

I remember this. And then we never heard about this again. Of course, Raymone ended up joining the witchhunt.

I think the names are the ones Carol Angela Davis mentioned on the Justice System.net as conspiring against him to make him bankrupt.

They are:


-John Branca
- Trudy Green
- Howard Kaufman
- Charles Koppelman
- Al Malnik
- Tommy Mottola
- Brett Ratner

Trudy Green & Kaufman were his managment team. Ratner is associated with Malnik. Koppelman owns music publishing.

Koppelman was on many shows there during the trial saying that MJ was young & had a great career ahead of him. I was impressed by him actually at the time & he said many nice things.

Raymon Bain talked in the Sister2 sister mag article how MJ copuldn't get any artists to work with him on the fundraising song. This leads me to believe that he was blackballed by Green & Kaufman, maybe Branca & Koppelman could influence that too as he used to be head of EMI. I think he has his own music publishing company now. Koppelman was introduced to MJ thru Ratner via Koppelman's son Brian Koppelman.

Interesting connections:

http://www.muckety.com/Charles-A-Koppelman/3934.muckety
link to Brett Ratner, Brian Koppelman son, EMI music publishing, EMI Records group

http://www.thedailybeast.com/beast-board/member/brian-koppelman/
pic of Brian Koppelman & his movies

http://popdirt.com/*****-turned-to-brett-ratner-for-financial-advise/17081/
RF – mj intro to C Koppelman thru Ratner via Brian Koppelman

http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2004/11/15/brett_ratner_after_the_sunset_interview.shtml
interview of Ratner, Talks about Brian Koppelman



This article connects alot of people:

http://www.pophistorydig.com/?tag=michael-jackson-john-branca
Branca & Koppelman negotiate ATV

Jackson was first informed of the availability of the ATV catalog in September 1984 by his attorney John Branca, who put together the earlier catalog acquisitions that Jackson had already made. That September, Branca, Jackson, and his manager, Frank Dileo, were in one of their regular business meetings during Jackson’s Victory tour with his brothers in Philadelphia. Jackson was very excited at the news of the ATV/Beatles catalog becoming available, but Branca warned him it would be a tough fight as other investors were also interested, and Holmes a Court was a tough negotiator. Branca also reportedly contacted an attorney for McCartney, who said McCartney was not interested in bidding for the catalog as it was “too pricey”. Branca and his associates then set out on a careful course of “corporate due diligence” checking out their quarry and later spending $1 million over some months to verify the validity of ATV’s claims about earnings and song ownership.

Attorney John Branca became key Jackson aide.
By November 20th, 1984, Jackson and Branca sent a Telex to Holmes a Court with a $46-million bid for the ATV catalog. They were aware of another bid of $39 million, and had spent time determining the value of the ATV catalog. They believed their $46 million was a good bid, and that it had cushion enough to be above the rest. In addition to McCartney as a possible rival in the contest, the other investors and music industry executives competing for the ATV catlog were: Charles Koppelman and Marty Bandier’s New York-based The Entertainment Co., Virgin Records of London; New York real estate tycoon Samuel J. Lefrak, and financier Charles Knapp. John Lennon’s widow, Yoko Ono, had been contacted but did not enter the bidding.
In the end, Jackson would win the prize – but only after a long and protracted chess game with Holmes a Court that went on for some 10 months or more, and who for a time, erroneously suspected that Jackson was a front man for a Paul McCartney purchase. In any case, for Jackson’s camp, the process of putting the deal together, and verifying the assets, businesses, and copyrights, etc. was not a casual process, as Los Angeles Times reporter Robert Hilburn explained in 1985:
Dead Man on Campus …One team of Jackson’s lawyers was sent to the United States Copyright Office in Washington to check on the authenticity of every significant composition in the nearly 4,000-song catalogue. Meanwhile, other teams were at work in London and at ATV offices around the world to certify legal documents in those countries. In total, an estimated half a million to a million pages of contracts were examined.
At the same time, the L.A.-based accounting firm of Gelfand, Rennert & Feldman was overseeing a team of 20 people who were checking ATV books in London, Los Angeles, Toronto, Sydney, Munich and Amsterdam.
The contract for the prospective deal had gone through eight drafts. But then, negotiations broke off for a time and the deal seemed doomed. In June 1985, Branca and Jackson learned that Holmes a Court had signed a tentative $50-million deal with Charles Koppelman and Marty Bandier’s Entertainment Co. Talks then resumed between the Jackson and Holmes a Court negotiating teams. Jackson raised his bid to $47.5 million. Holmes a Court accepted Jackson’s bid over the higher $50 million from Koppleman/Bandier presumably because Jackson’s was more liquid and could be consummated quicker. Jackson also reportedly threw in a charity concert in Perth, Australia. An announcement was made in mid-August 1985 that Michael Jackson had acquired the ATV music publishing catalog with the Beatles songs. Michael Jackson was a happy camper.


Martin Bandier is now Sony chairman of Sony ATV Publishing.
link:
http://www.nmpa.org/aboutnmpa/bandier.asp

Martin N. Bandier is Chairman and CEO of Sony/ATV Music Publishing, a position he assumed on April 1, 2007. Bandier oversees Sony/ATV’s global music publishing activities, including talent and copyright acquisitions, day-to-day operations, and the development and implementation of the company’s long-term strategic initiatives.
Mr. Bandier’s move to Sony/ATV matches one of the most renowned music-publishing executives in the industry with the company that controls some of its most valuable catalogue assets and boasts a stellar roster of the most active and popular current artists and writers. The Sony/ATV catalogues include some of the biggest names in music, from the Beatles, Neil Diamond, Bob Dylan, The Everly Brothers, Jimi Hendrix, Willie Nelson, Steven Stills and Hank Williams to Babyface and John Mellencamp. Its growing current roster of chart-toppers includes Beck, Destiny’s Child, Fall Out Boy, John Mayer, Sarah McLachlan, Rascal Flatts, KT Tunstall and Gretchen Wilson. Most recently, Mr. Bandier oversaw the Sony/ATV Music Publishing acquisition of the Lieber Stoller catalogue with more than 40 Top 40 hits and some of the greatest songs recorded by Elvis Presley.
Prior to joining Sony/ATV Music Publishing, Mr. Bandier ran EMI Music Publishing for over 16 years. Under his leadership, it became the world’s largest and most successful music publishing company, as he acquired the rights to some of the most famous songs ever written and signed many top songwriters and artists.
Mr. Bandier’s involvement in the music industry dates to 1975, when he, Sam LeFrak and Charles Koppelman formed the Entertainment Company, where he achieved hits with a number of best-selling songs. He went on to co-found the Entertainment Music Company and SBK Entertainment World, where he modernized music publishing by expanding the use of the catalogue in commercials, films, sound recordings and stage productions. He also set up an advanced collection system for SBK’s vast copyright holdings. SBK sold its music publishing interests to Thorn EMI in 1989, and Mr. Bandier was appointed head of the combined music publishing division, EMI Music Publishing. He catapulted the company to new heights with the purchase of a number of major catalogue acquisitions, taking it from the fourth largest music publishing business to the number one ranking.

 

[Dangerous Incorporated]

Ok now with all of this in the above posts along with MJs own words here regarding a conspiracy regarding his ATV catalogue, it paints a picture:
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[Autumn II]

Thanks so much for posting this. I'd heard the tapes before, but not recently. That really rips it, as far as I'm concerned. Michael's OWN words, talking about conspiracies against him. The ATV catalog. The Arvizos. Yup, the "C-word." He wasn't able to elaborate because of the gag-order, but my GOD! Michael was talking about conspiracies against him. Why would ANYONE think there wasn't one that led to his death? Or at least imagine that possibility? I have become very disillusioned with many of Michael's "fans." Those who get angry at the very idea of a "conspiracy," and try to suppress any discussion of that. I simply cannot comprehend it.

I wish there was a way we could require that they confront those tapes, and hear Michael's own words. It's heartbreaking. . .

When he was talking about wanting to do films, I cried. Again. He didn't get to do it. . . . and he really, really wanted to. . . . . . .

 

[earth child]

Yes Vic, I cried again to. It is heartbreaking! Michael as well us missed out on his dream for film!
Michael also spoke of a conspiracy during the Ed Bradly interview and as soon as he used that word, someone from off camera says something and Michael looks scared and puts his hand in the air and says, "I'm done, I don't want to say to much! I'm done."
I too do not understand why some people do not see? Is it to painful for them?

 

[Autumn II]

Yes Vic, I cried again to. It is heartbreaking! Michael as well us missed out on his dream for film!
Michael also spoke of a conspiracy during the Ed Bradly interview and as soon as he used that word, someone from off camera says something and Michael looks scared and puts his hand in the air and says, "I'm done, I don't want to say to much! I'm done."
I too do not understand why some people do not see? Is it to painful for them?

Still crying. I really lost it when he sounded so excited about wanting to do films. His life was cut so short. He wasn't DONE.

I've tried and tried to understand it (the "anti-conspiracy theorists") I can get that, that it's too painful. But then WHY try to stop others from trying to find out? That's the part I don't understand. They seem so ANGRY. All I can come up with is that they thought of him as fantasy of what they wanted him to be?.. . . but that he was not a flesh-and-blood person to them? Honestly, I don't understand it.

Also, they don't seem to differentiate between what Michael said, in his own words, and what others say about him. When Michael says, "There are conspiracies against me," would they argue with HIM, too? I just do not understand it, and it's very, very discouraging.

 

[earth child]

Still crying. I really lost it when he sounded so excited about wanting to do films. His life was cut so short. He wasn't DONE.

I've tried and tried to understand it (the "anti-conspiracy theorists") I can get that, that it's too painful. But then WHY try to stop others from trying to find out? That's the part I don't understand. They seem so ANGRY. All I can come up with is that they thought of him as fantasy of what they wanted him to be?.. . . but that he was not a flesh-and-blood person to them? Honestly, I don't understand it.

Also, they don't seem to differentiate between what Michael said, in his own words, and what others say about him. When Michael says, "There are conspiracies against me," would they argue with HIM, too? I just do not understand it, and it's very, very discouraging.

Sending you (((hugs))). Your not alone Vic!
This is all so hard to take. I do not know if I want to understand why people seem so angry. I do believe they live in a bit of a dream world vs. reality and anything that upsets that dream for them makes them angry.
I know one thing, at this point someone would have to come up with some pretty good evidence that there WASN'T a consiracy for me to believe that.
If we listen, Michael was telling us everything we need to know that he was allowed to say.
The least the world could do is get him true justice. I do not want to settle for anything less!

 

[daisy]

Also, they don't seem to differentiate between what Michael said, in his own words, and what others say about him. When Michael says, "There are conspiracies against me," would they argue with HIM, too? I just do not understand it, and it's very, very discouraging.

Exactly - presenting fans engaging in inverstigations as "crazy" and "not sticking to f.a.c.t.s.", they need to admit that, well, Michael was "crazy" as well....

 

[Maria MJ]

Oh boy, wether we are for or against conspiracy theories,Michael died and there is a reason behind this.

 

[Maria MJ]

Sorry if this may seem unrelated... I think it IS related, and this is what I thought was happening from the beginning...

Britney Spears Said Drugged And Controlled By Manager
By Dan Whitcomb
Reuters

Britney Spears has been "drugged" by her self-styled manager in a bid to take control of her home, life and finances, the troubled pop star's mother charged in court documents made public on Tuesday.

Lynne Spears, in a sworn declaration submitted to the court to obtain a temporary restraining order against Sam Lutfi, paints a disturbing picture of her 26-year-old daughter as confused, numbed by drugs and virtually held captive by her sometime-manager.

"Mr. Lutfi drugged Britney. He has cut Britney's home phone line and removed her cell-phone chargers. He yells at her. He claims to control everything -- Britney's business manager, her attorneys and security guards at the gate," Lynne Spears wrote in the declaration.

She describes arriving at her daughter's Los Angeles home on January 28, days before she was forcibly hospitalized, finding Lutfi was in charge and the entertainer confused.

"Britney ... became very agitated and could not stop moving," Lynne Spears wrote in the court papers.

"She cleaned the house. She changed her clothes many times. She also changed her dogs' clothes many times. Britney spoke to me in a tone and with the level of understanding of a very young girl," she said.

[It is my opinion that this is possibly a triggered manifestation of an "alter" personality created by the controllers at a preschool or elementary age. The same phenomenon can be witnessed in the infamous video of Anna Nicole Smith taken days before her death where she too seems to have reverted to a severely undeveloped mental state. -3EN]

Lynne Spears said Lutfi told her and a friend that he gave Britney Spears pills ground up in her food to keep her quiet and at one point he told her she had to take "10 pills a day" if she wanted to see her two young children.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0146041020080205

It's good to have precedent cases of exploitation by managers on record.
Our poor Michael was one of a long chain of victims.

 

[Autumn II]

Exactly - presenting fans engaging in inverstigations as "crazy" and "not sticking to f.a.c.t.s.", they need to admit that, well, Michael was "crazy" as well....

That presentation of fans as "crazy" is going to be a major obstacle for any continuing investigations if only Murray is charged and gets off lightly. The major obstacle for justice or Michael may prove to be his FANS. . . ..

 

[princessleia]

That presentation of fans as "crazy" is going to be a major obstacle for any continuing investigations if only Murray is charged and gets off lightly. The major obstacle for justice or Michael may prove to be his FANS. . . ..

I also get annoyed sometimes at those fans who attack every "conspiracy theorist", but in a way they are right, because we do need facts to be able to convinvce others and avoid being presented as crazy. So in a sense they are helping us, since they highlight where we need more facts + every time they attack something, it's an indication that the issue is worth investigating. Honestly, sometimes I'm on the verge of giving up trying to figure out what really happened, and then I read one of those posts and they annoy me so much that I come back to investigate, lol.

 

[Rockin.]

Thanks so much for posting this. I'd heard the tapes before, but not recently. That really rips it, as far as I'm concerned. Michael's OWN words, talking about conspiracies against him. The ATV catalog. The Arvizos. Yup, the "C-word." He wasn't able to elaborate because of the gag-order, but my GOD! Michael was talking about conspiracies against him. Why would ANYONE think there wasn't one that led to his death? Or at least imagine that possibility? I have become very disillusioned with many of Michael's "fans." Those who get angry at the very idea of a "conspiracy," and try to suppress any discussion of that. I simply cannot comprehend it.

I wish there was a way we could require that they confront those tapes, and hear Michael's own words. It's heartbreaking. . .

When he was talking about wanting to do films, I cried. Again. He didn't get to do it. . . . and he really, really wanted to. . . . . . .

I know, Michael talked about a conspiracy against him a number of times, even here he mentions it 2.24 but again he stops himself talking about it and looks quite fearful to be honest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQwY4ll1Kfc&feature=related


edit: I see now that you posted about this -

Yes Vic, I cried again to. It is heartbreaking! Michael as well us missed out on his dream for film!
Michael also spoke of a conspiracy during the Ed Bradly interview and as soon as he used that word, someone from off camera says something and Michael looks scared and puts his hand in the air and says, "I'm done, I don't want to say to much! I'm done."
I too do not understand why some people do not see? Is it to painful for them?

like I just said, before I saw your post, he does look fearful doesn't he.

 

[enlightenu]

It's like these ones that are insisting there is no conspiracy regarding Michael are comprised of those new 'fans' who manage to worm their way on MJJCOMMUNITY since Michael died with the 'Michael the Drug Addict Who Asked for Propofal' themes, 'The Evil Jackson Family' theme as well as their 'I INSIST, There's No Conspiracy' theme . I cannot help but wonder--take that back--I believe that some of these 'fans' came on here since June 25th to plant doubts and to mislead--which has been working. Even some long time fans have been swayed.

It's almost like the ones who are swayed against Michael being murdered, they don't want to entertain that thought. It just cannot be; he couldn't have been murdered; it had to be an accident; Murray HAS to be the ONLY one involved. This is how they think. Personally, I'm getting sick of their attitude because they are just taking over the main forum and anyone who posts a comment that's opposite of 'accident' and 'negligence' and 'Murray being the only one responsible' is subjected to rudeness and are demanded to be put in Investigation Forum ONLY.

Maybe in some way, it is best that the posts that support the opinion (as far as I'm concerned--FACT) that Michael was murdered is in the IU section instead of the main forum due to the fact there are lurkers who are looking on the MJJCOMMUNITY boards.

 

[Dangerous Incorporated]

So the conclusion is that this conspiracy against Michael, the whole reason they labeled him a child abuser twice, the whole reason he went broke (unwillingly), the reason he died, is ALL because of the Sony/ATV catalogue. And this is why Katherine wanted on the board of Admin so she could veto any plans that Michael wouldnt have agreed with such as selling the ATV catalogue. You watch and see what happens when the catalogue comes up for renewel in Sept '10. It ALL goes as far as Sony. Thats where the money ends too!

Some fans dont like the term 'conspiracy' as it is a term that is associated with crazy people who believe strange things. But conspiracy means:
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design

Is this not what happened to Michael repeatedly?

93 Case
03 Case
06 Bankrupt Plan
09 Death

 

[riviera1992]

Sorry if this may seem unrelated... I think it IS related, and this is what I thought was happening from the beginning...

Britney Spears Said Drugged And Controlled By Manager
By Dan Whitcomb
Reuters

Britney Spears has been "drugged" by her self-styled manager in a bid to take control of her home, life and finances, the troubled pop star's mother charged in court documents made public on Tuesday.

Lynne Spears, in a sworn declaration submitted to the court to obtain a temporary restraining order against Sam Lutfi, paints a disturbing picture of her 26-year-old daughter as confused, numbed by drugs and virtually held captive by her sometime-manager.

"Mr. Lutfi drugged Britney. He has cut Britney's home phone line and removed her cell-phone chargers. He yells at her. He claims to control everything -- Britney's business manager, her attorneys and security guards at the gate," Lynne Spears wrote in the declaration.

She describes arriving at her daughter's Los Angeles home on January 28, days before she was forcibly hospitalized, finding Lutfi was in charge and the entertainer confused.

"Britney ... became very agitated and could not stop moving," Lynne Spears wrote in the court papers.

"She cleaned the house. She changed her clothes many times. She also changed her dogs' clothes many times. Britney spoke to me in a tone and with the level of understanding of a very young girl," she said.

[It is my opinion that this is possibly a triggered manifestation of an "alter" personality created by the controllers at a preschool or elementary age. The same phenomenon can be witnessed in the infamous video of Anna Nicole Smith taken days before her death where she too seems to have reverted to a severely undeveloped mental state. -3EN]

Lynne Spears said Lutfi told her and a friend that he gave Britney Spears pills ground up in her food to keep her quiet and at one point he told her she had to take "10 pills a day" if she wanted to see her two young children.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0146041020080205

Thanks for posting this by the same reporter Dan Whitcomb (I wonder if he knows more?)

Why would anybody make these stories up? I think it's not farfetched at all that these
M.O.s are used frequently in the entertainment industry to control artists. And if they resist too much, they mysteriously O.D.

 

[jrsfan]

It's like these ones that are insisting there is no conspiracy regarding Michael are comprised of those new 'fans' who manage to worm their way on MJJCOMMUNITY since Michael died with the 'Michael the Drug Addict Who Asked for Propofal' themes, 'The Evil Jackson Family' theme as well as their 'I INSIST, There's No Conspiracy' theme . I cannot help but wonder--take that back--I believe that some of these 'fans' came on here since June 25th to plant doubts and to mislead--which has been working. Even some long time fans have been swayed.

It's almost like the ones who are swayed against Michael being murdered, they don't want to entertain that thought. It just cannot be; he couldn't have been murdered; it had to be an accident; Murray HAS to be the ONLY one involved. This is how they think. Personally, I'm getting sick of their attitude because they are just taking over the main forum and anyone who posts a comment that's opposite of 'accident' and 'negligence' and 'Murray being the only one responsible' is subjected to rudeness and are demanded to be put in Investigation Forum ONLY.

Maybe in some way, it is best that the posts that support the opinion (as far as I'm concerned--FACT) that Michael was murdered is in the IU section instead of the main forum due to the fact there are lurkers who are looking on the MJJCOMMUNITY boards.

Actually, I agree with you about the theme of many new posters, it is not just going on here but seems to be on all the boards I visit, even ones in foreign countries. No conspiracy, its only Murray, the estate execs are wonderful etc, family is evil.

But I think they win when its only in protected sections that many people can't read & more importantly, when their names are googled it doesn't show up. I google my nic & my posts show up. There is another jrsfan out there that is not me btw. When the conspirators google their names I want them to know we are watching. JMO, its good to post on main pages.

 

[triniti]

I also get annoyed sometimes at those fans who attack every "conspiracy theorist", but in a way they are right, because we do need facts to be able to convinvce others and avoid being presented as crazy. So in a sense they are helping us, since they highlight where we need more facts + every time they attack something, it's an indication that the issue is worth investigating. Honestly, sometimes I'm on the verge of giving up trying to figure out what really happened, and then I read one of those posts and they annoy me so much that I come back to investigate, lol.

Yes, this the same with me. That's why I can't give up seaking deeper and deeper. Since the very beginning it seemed me so obvious, that everybody think similalry, but later it was complete surprise to me that many funs see all rather differently. I understand people have different opinions, but why they want to kill each other, when it is about justice for Michael.
It should be so important for everybody.

Maybe, Media s lies about Michael for years are the reason of the war. People are oversensitive about all have been written.
It is paradox. Michael said don't read the press, listen to me. But now, some funs question even his words. I'm confused

 

[Autumn II]

It's like these ones that are insisting there is no conspiracy regarding Michael are comprised of those new 'fans' who manage to worm their way on MJJCOMMUNITY since Michael died with the 'Michael the Drug Addict Who Asked for Propofal' themes, 'The Evil Jackson Family' theme as well as their 'I INSIST, There's No Conspiracy' theme . I cannot help but wonder--take that back--I believe that some of these 'fans' came on here since June 25th to plant doubts and to mislead--which has been working. Even some long time fans have been swayed.

It's almost like the ones who are swayed against Michael being murdered, they don't want to entertain that thought. It just cannot be; he couldn't have been murdered; it had to be an accident; Murray HAS to be the ONLY one involved. This is how they think. Personally, I'm getting sick of their attitude because they are just taking over the main forum and anyone who posts a comment that's opposite of 'accident' and 'negligence' and 'Murray being the only one responsible' is subjected to rudeness and are demanded to be put in Investigation Forum ONLY.

Maybe in some way, it is best that the posts that support the opinion (as far as I'm concerned--FACT) that Michael was murdered is in the IU section instead of the main forum due to the fact there are lurkers who are looking on the MJJCOMMUNITY boards.

On the internet, it's very difficult if not impossible to know who someone really IS. I do believe that some of these posters are on Murray's legal team and are PAID to post here, or on the payrolls of AEG/Sony. Isn't that obvious? ANYONE can post here. Why wouldn't they? There is a lot at stake.

 

[triniti]

This is very opinion + forming board. People reading the main forum spread the opinions on other boards.

 

[earth child]

On the internet, it's very difficult if not impossible to know who someone really IS. I do believe that some of these posters are on Murray's legal team and are PAID to post here, or on the payrolls of AEG/Sony. Isn't that obvious? ANYONE can post here. Why wouldn't they? There is a lot at stake.

Oh, there is no question that there are "posers" on all the MJ forums. They are not fans at all but people sent to try to sway opinion. It is more important than ever before to not go along with these posers and keep our eyes open. Those forces at the top of the chain have been using this tactic for years! They point at those who are "out of line", call them out, so to speak, so their peers shove them back in the direction "they" want us to go! They sway opinion and call those who do not agree out as the odd balls with aggression and anger.
We MJ fans know better than anyone. Most people will follow the crowd in order not to stand out as the "weirdo".
I cannot count the times I have been ridiculed because I have always love Michael. Even by members of my own family! I have never let it effect me as I like what I like and I think what I think.
There is a conspiracy involving MJ’s murder and unless someone gives me proof that there is not, that is what I see and believe. I will post that opinion anywhere!