I've been saying it a long time ago and people have been behaving as if they want to silence me. Janet as a persona and artist was never big in britain., I can't speak for the rest of europe. Janet, just like 3t benefited from the popularity of Michael jackson. Right from the start she was known as Michael jackson's sister. That was always first in the minds of people, before her music.
And that is just so not true! She played 3 Wembley Arenas plus the Dockland Arena and 2 further gigs outside of London on the '95 tour and she played 3 Wembley Arenas plus a bigger UK tour on the '98 tour! She had her successes in the late 80's and early '90s in the UK, but she's been on a steady decline ever since! Of course, she never quite made that name for herself, like she did in the states, but to say she was never big is just wrong! I know quite some UK Janet fans, and most of them are not really MJ fans, they like him, but wouldn't describe themselves as fans of him! Even some elder friends of my Step-Grandmother, who lives in London, knew quite well about her! I was particularly surprised about that! And that the UK public was more in love with LaToya is just total bs! Sorry!I've been saying it a long time ago and people have been behaving as if they want to silence me. Janet as a persona and artist was never big in britain., I can't speak for the rest of europe. Janet, just like 3t benefited from the popularity of Michael jackson. Right from the start she was known as Michael jackson's sister. That was always first in the minds of people, before her music.
People were impressed, but many were saying that she was the female MJ. That was never good for her career here, cause it was taken to mean that she was doing the same as MJ.
However, while Janet had to work very hard for the affection of the british puipblic, it was Latoya that the public was in love with. Latoya was the pinup girl in britain. janet had to work hard but she never did win the hearts of the british people. Her name was never on the lips of the british public like latoya was, and latoya did it without even doing anything.
I am not surprised that she has fallen off the radar like that.
I said her Persona and artistry was never that big and it was true. I never said she had no success. many artists had success and then leave the scene to never be heard from again. I believe if janets last name was brown no body would be talking about her in britain. Oh, I forgot, they are not talking about her now.Janet had success, So did Randy Crawford and a host of other stars who have fallen off the radar. What I am saying is that when Janet was first introduced, she was presented as a Jackson. I think this has been a disadvantage to her cause she was never taken too seriously.
and that surely did cost her... careerwise)!Patrick, if you are not going to be sensible I am not going to have a conversation with you. I said Latoya was massive in Britain in the 80's. People knew Latoya because she was Michael jackson's chaperone. She went everywhere with him. So everybody knew her. People did not know Janet. Latoya was famous as a socialite. A celeb by association.,but she was beautiful and charming and attractive and so people liked her. That is what I am saying. She was a household name in britain, as popular as Michael jackson, almost. Janet never got to that level of fame here.Latoya massive and popular?? She's the laughing stock of the family! I'd rather have people talk about my music than about how many times I've been naked on Playboy!
Well, Janet had big success... more than 10 years! And they are still talking about her.... they don't buy her records, but still talk about her! We will see how the tour will go, if she will come over! But to say Latoya is the bigger star than Janet... laughable!
And well, as far as being taking seriously.... sadly, nobody in that family is being taking seriously as a person anymore.... except Tito, probably... but people still make fun of him!
I don't know about how she is perceived overseas, but I do know that if she doesn't get her butt over there to promote, it's not going to matter anyway.I've been saying it a long time ago and people have been behaving as if they want to silence me. Janet as a persona and artist was never big in britain., I can't speak for the rest of europe. Janet, just like 3t benefited from the popularity of Michael jackson. Right from the start she was known as Michael jackson's sister. That was always first in the minds of people, before her music.
People were impressed, but many were saying that she was the female MJ. That was never good for her career here, cause it was taken to mean that she was doing the same as MJ.
However, while Janet had to work very hard for the affection of the british puipblic, it was Latoya that the public was in love with. Latoya was the pinup girl in britain. janet had to work hard but she never did win the hearts of the british people. Her name was never on the lips of the british public like latoya was, and latoya did it without even doing anything.
I am not surprised that she has fallen off the radar like that.
I think you are pausing words here. Obviously if she once had success to the level of playing the likes of Wembley, then it stands to reason that her persona during that time was equal to her success at that time.
and because of this, things have changed. paparazzi has changed, fame, as we know it, has changed. Now this 'super star' thing has gotten out of hand,.
That's his opinion. You can choose to respond...
Mello. The question was NEVER about Janet being on the same level as MJ. The Guardian Newspaper had already dealt with that. The Gaudrian said that the only 2 people that were ever on MJ's level were ELVIS and FRANK'
I don't understand your response here Mello. I DID respond to Patrick. His response to my post was to take a CHEAP shot at latoya, calling her the 'laughing stock of the family and referring to playboy mags.' I felt that he was trying to score easy points. I told him if he was going to play that game, I would refuse to continue the debate. That was my response to him. I think I was being reasonable.
Yes, Latoya was huge here and all over Europe. I wouldn't say she was a star though, she was more like Paris Hilton, a celeb with no job. Nobody really expected her to have a career cause she was like royalty, being the sister of MJ and a member of the most famous family in US. The thing is, though that she was built like a model and she was pretty, so people were always looking out for her next wardrobe. If Latoya wore something, every girl was going to get it, so Latoya was setting fashion trends in the 80's just like MJ was setting fashion trends as well. Yes, I think you could safely say that Latoya was the first celebrity without portfolio.
Her massive fame dwindled when she married that man and then turned on MJ. I think people were turned off and a little disappointed in her.Why is that a cheap shot? That's the way it is... nobody takes this woman serious anymore after making herself naked and flip-flopping on Michael! My point is, to call LaToya a bigger star than Janet, is laughable! And you're right... there is no further need to discuss that!
Yeah, you confuse one for the other quite frequently!Furthermore, when Latoya posed for Playboy mags it was World News and EVERYBODY and there momma was talking about it. Indeed it is said to be the biggest selling mags in the history of playboy, so that shows the extent of her fame. Opinions and fact are 2 different things,
Huge all over Europe?? Laughed at all over Europe would be a more fitting term! Massive fame?? At being Michael's unstable older sister, which is sometimes confused with Janet? Setting fashion trends?? Like what? Getting naked!Yes, Latoya was huge here and all over Europe. I wouldn't say she was a star though, she was more like Paris Hilton, a celeb with no job. Nobody really expected her to have a career cause she was like royalty, being the sister of MJ and a member of the most famous family in US. The thing is, though that she was built like a model and she was pretty, so people were always looking out for her next wardrobe. If Latoya wore something, every girl was going to get it, so Latoya was setting fashion trends in the 80's just like MJ was setting fashion trends as well. Yes, I think you could safely say that Latoya was the first celebrity without portfolio.
Patrick when The Jacksons were at the hieght of fame in the early to late 80's there were no family contraversy. This is what I am trying to say to you. Latoya Jackson fell off the wagon after she left the family home and married that man. That was in the 90's, I referred to Latoya's fame in the 80's before play boy magazine and before all the contravery. Play fair. If you do not remember that period or you don't know about it, then acknowledge that you didn't know. But please. latoya Jackson accompanied Michael jackson as chaperone, even when MJ was on dates. She was a household name in britain. She was massive. She graced the cover of practically ever magazine. Every male celeb wanted to marry her or be seen with her. it was crazy. Please don't insult my intelligence. You know I am not talking about the contraversal period. The story about the Jacksons hasn't always been a contraversal one. And yes, the type of fame that latoya enjoyed in Europe, I have not ever seen that around Janet, even at the height of her fame.Why is that a cheap shot? That's the way it is... nobody takes this woman serious anymore after making herself naked and flip-flopping on Michael! My point is, to call LaToya a bigger star than Janet, is laughable! And you're right... there is no further need to discuss that!
And to gauge the success of Janet as a star, next to the chart stats, just look up her concert schedules... look the size of the venues she played, the numbers of shows she played, where she played and so on... to claim that she only was successfull because she's Michael's sister and never was a real star is ridiculous! Sure, he has opened a door for her... but he also did that for LaToya and Rebbie and look how they fared... or Jermaine! She made a name for herself and of course, she will always remain Michael's sister, because that's what she is! So yes, judging by Janet's worldwide success over the years you could say she comes close.... even though she's still is a couple of steps beneath Michael, like so many artists are too!
Yeah, you confuse one for the other quite frequently!
Huge all over Europe?? Laughed at all over Europe would be a more fitting term! Massive fame?? At being Michael's unstable older sister, which is sometimes confused with Janet? Setting fashion trends?? Like what? Getting naked!
Okay, I stop now... this is getting ridiculous.... besides we should respect his family... so I won't go further!!
Honestly Dat, Latoya has never been that famous. Infamous, yes, but her career achievements as a recording artist simply is no comparison with her sister and that's a fact. All one needs to do is to look up the stats, that's all.
Mello, If you have read my post you will find that I said exactly what you said. Latoya was famous for being a Jackson. Fame is fame, no matter how you cut it. Yes, She was that famous. I knew Latoya before I ever knew Janet. She was a big name and was on all the magazine that there was at the time. I was here., I remember it well. This was at the hight of the Jacksons fame where they were lorded as the american royal family. She was mega famous and a style setter. What ever latoya was wearing would be the fashion for the season. I think the headband became famous because of her too. O do not know what it was like in America, but Latoya Jackson was on the lips of everyone here in Britain. Janet never had that success.
Thank you! That saves me a long drawn out answer! It also wasn't the case in Europe! Period!
Just to help support my argument.Yes, Latoya was huge here and all over Europe. I wouldn't say she was a star though, she was more like Paris Hilton, a celeb with no job. Nobody really expected her to have a career cause she was like royalty, being the sister of MJ and a member of the most famous family in US. The thing is, though that she was built like a model and she was pretty, so people were always looking out for her next wardrobe. If Latoya wore something, every girl was going to get it, so Latoya was setting fashion trends in the 80's just like MJ was setting fashion trends as well. Yes, I think you could safely say that Latoya was the first celebrity without portfolio.
i WAS SHOCKED BY THAT 'WOULD YOU MIND THING'.
I never knew Janets music and I was looking on the web to see if I could like her music and I saw that. I nearly passed out.
I think that the Jacksons are looked upon with much respect here in britain.They are like the american royals and even though the breast thing wouldn't shock us,. the sexualally explicit lyrics would turn people off.
Well Prince too paid the price for his explicit lyrics. His music do not sell in britain. He gave them away the last time. Janet paid the price too. Her album came in at 63 and fell to 123. The british just don't like those types of lyrics I suppose.
I used to be a prince fan, but I couldn't cope with that 'Cream" song. that was too much for me. Turned me off. The british palate is not very receptive to explicit sexual lyrics in their living room.it sold and charted well enough throughout 80s, 90s and 00s. his Best Of collection in 2000 reached No. 2 in UK.
that was a successful promotional tactic that worked well to his favor in gathering the O2 crowd. he just knows good business sense in that album sales are a thing of the past now to focus on.
