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Also MJ already "re-mixed" & re-worked the original version created with Steve Porcaro in 2000 with Rodney Jerkins. So I really don't see the problem with Rodney Jerkins re-mixing it again. And of course releasing Steve's original version also.
 

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I understand Steve's position, but I must say that I love some of the "contemporized" versions on Xscape. I think they should do all future releases with the contemporized versions and the originals. It's also just fun to compare the two.
 

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I'm part of the minority of fans who genuinely doesn't give much thought into what version of a song is released - so long as it's a good song.
 

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I understand Steve's position, but I must say that I love some of the "contemporized" versions on Xscape. I think they should do all future releases with the contemporized versions and the originals. It's also just fun to compare the two.

Even if remixes are insanely awesome (which Xscape remixes are not - I see "Less is More" in burning letters in the sky when I'm hearing them, but that's another discussion), they should not be promoted ahead of and instead of the artist's work.

I don't want to speak for Porcaro, and what his attitude to remixes in general is, but my impression was that it's more about respecting the artist and the song than about personal taste. If you ever created anything artistic yourself - a piece of music, a drawing/paining, a text - it will be easy for you to imagine what it feels like when your work is subjected to a cheap and rough edit and then presented to public and promoted under your sole name, as the main version of what YOU created. It's simply respect of an artist to an artist to not allow that to happen.
 

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Even if remixes are insanely awesome (which Xscape remixes are not - I see "Less is More" in burning letters in the sky when I'm hearing them, but that's another discussion), they should not be promoted ahead of and instead of the artist's work.

I doubt that MJ would be satisfied with being out of Hot 200 albums and Hot 100 singles. If MJ recorded, mixed, produced and mastered 100 songs and left them unreleased (which he didn't) that would be different thing. We are talking about the songs left in the state of Xscape Deluxe Edition where other than Xscape and A Place With No Name all other songs are in early stage of completion, some are demos. No radio in the world would play that.

So the best thing is: finished & original versions.
 

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nobody would be interested in the original/demo version of LNFSG/chicago/STTR. (radio, media etc.)
so that kind of stuff has to be finished in some way.
 

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I think it's a matter of what priorities you have. If your priority is chart performance then you want the songs to be remixed, want guest artists etc., just anything to boost the sales. If your priority is artistic value and integrity then you want them untouched. I think Xscape combines the two: you have new remixes but you also have the originals. I think it's a good compromise, just know that the new versions are not Michael Jackson's vision but someone else's and know that it's the originals that are his, even if not completed.
 

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That's a discussion for another section, so please let's go back to Sundberg seminars.
 

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Thanks for the great review Morinen.
Sorry to ask loads of questions, but did the vocals sound like BAD era ?
 

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Even if remixes are insanely awesome (which Xscape remixes are not - I see "Less is More" in burning letters in the sky when I'm hearing them, but that's another discussion), they should not be promoted ahead of and instead of the artist's work.

I don't want to speak for Porcaro, and what his attitude to remixes in general is, but my impression was that it's more about respecting the artist and the song than about personal taste. If you ever created anything artistic yourself - a piece of music, a drawing/paining, a text - it will be easy for you to imagine what it feels like when your work is subjected to a cheap and rough edit and then presented to public and promoted under your sole name, as the main version of what YOU created. It's simply respect of an artist to an artist to not allow that to happen.

I couldn't agree more, even if they decide to do a collectors label and only produce copy's for hardcore fans.. i'd much prefer if only the original tracks were released as they were left behind! especially tracks like this, they really do deserve to be heard!
 

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Man, all these MJ demos. I wish they would get released. Like, once Brad has finished doing the seminars, he should release a boxset containing lots of the demos he played. It makes me sad as I know I will likely never see this seminar due to my poor financial situation and the fact it never comes to the UK. I feel it is a tad unfair limiting this to just the better off fans in America.

Actually, Brad has been to Europe and Russia, as well as Canada dispute the excessive cost for himself in an effort to bring the seminar to Michael's fans. He will be bringing it to London in the fall, as well as other locations next year, with likely stops in Germany and Russia. Try to understand he is just one person, who happens to live in the U.S.A.

On another note, what Steve actually said is that he had "Mixed feelings" about the approach the estate was using. He wasn't sure about it, and it wasn't sitting well with him. He hasn't decided to refuse release, he is just sitting on it for a while. Keep in mind, he was approached specifically for the vocal track, not the entire song. This obviously shows the intention to totally re invent the song from scratch, throwing away all the work they did on it. EDIT I think what he really said/ meant is that they wanted to separate the vocal track, and do what they did with the rest of the songs. One of their own invention, one real demo.

Steve did say he has been working on it a little on his own, but did not say that he had any intentions to release any further worked version either. I got the impression that he is just doing it for himself, and if he ever decides he might want to do something with that, he'll cross that bridge when he comes to it.

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Keep in mind, he was approached specifically for the vocal track, not the entire song.

That's just insane. Seriously? Maybe for the next album, they could flip it:
take instrumentals Michael made, completely scarp the vocals and lyrics he wrote, and have random singers come up with new vocal tracks? That would contemporize the songs nicely. I mean, he can't even perform them, why would you keep his vocals?
It's better to have Bruno Mars, Lady Gaga and Justin Timberlake re-record them - they would sell more.

I mean really, WTF?! Michael Jackson was a great musician, how can you even consider releasing a song he wrote without the music he composed for it?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?? Without even looking at it for reference?!
WTF.

This is so sad.
 

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Latest from Brad....Orlando with Brad Buxer.....

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So right about now you might be asking yourself... "Self, what does a photo of Yosemite have to do with In The Studio With MJ?" Self (you), shrugs, and starts to scroll to the next post. But wait!! (You think to yourself)... let me see what Brad is up to.

BRAD'S TURN>>
Greetings!! I'm sure you are wondering why I have a picture of Yosemite on the page. Well, I do NOT have a seminar booked up there... at least not in the near future; although that would be fun! After our LA seminars we did a bit of a road trip in California and saw some family and friends, and then checked on Half-Dome and Bridal Vail Falls in Yosemite. It was beautiful, as always. After a week in a dark studio with music, memories, friends, emotions, etc., it was nice to go look at some trees and breath air that has no color or taste. Don't get wrong... I'm not trading in sushi and my hot shower for sardines and a tent anytime soon, but it's fun to leave the city for a few days every now and then.

I am still getting some of the nicest, most heartfelt notes from the Homecoming seminars. I am grateful for each one, and I love hearing your impressions from the week. Thank you again, and please feel free to drop me a note, suggestion or turkey sandwich any time.

I hinted a few days ago about another Bradx2 in Orlando. Brad Buxer and I had a blast in LA, and he has offered to join me in Orlando for a very special event. I have added many new items to the seminar, while trying to keep "the favorites." Additionally, I am working on adding a separate segment where Mr. Buxer can go deep in his musical suitcase and share more stories from his tenure with Michael. I hope to have the date solidified by the end of this coming week, but it will almost certainly be a weekend in early September.

London - I have found the COOLEST venue for our weekend! I am finalizing the details now, but I am so excited!! I think you will be in a State Of Shock when I give you the details!

Germany - Once you guys are slightly recovered from Octoberfest, we will be bringing the full seminar to you. Again, I hope to have details solidified by the end of the week, but I am focusing on Frankfurt at this point, with a really great music facility in mind.

>>We are looking at the UK/Germany events taking place the last weekend in October and the first weekend in November.
 
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Shame he's only doing London. I will be out of the country that weekend or I might have travelled for it. :(
 

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Latest from Brad....Orlando with Brad Buxer.....

I am still getting some of the nicest, most heartfelt notes from the Homecoming seminars. I am grateful for each one, and I love hearing your impressions from the week. Thank you again, and please feel free to drop me a note, suggestion or turkey sandwich any time.

He is funny :giggle:
 

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From Brad: 2 x Brads in Florida, 6th September 14
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Just the facts:
In The Studio With MJ
Orlando, Florida
September 6th, 2014
Starke Lake Studios
Special Guest Brad Buxer
Music
Stories
Memories
Catered Dinner
Tickets go on sale this Friday

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My good friend Brad Buxer is packing his bags and coming to Orlando.

Maybe you've heard about Bradx2 in LA. It was a pretty cool event. So cool

in fact that we decided to bring it to the east coast. And we decided to make a full day of it.

I am proud announce "Bradx2 - Extended Mix" seminar on Saturday, Sept 6, at Starke Lake Studios in Orlando. Buxer and I worked with Michael more than a combined span of nearly 40 years. Albums. Tours. Ranch. Songwriting. Special Projects. Laughter. Memories.

Join us for a full day of music as we dig into the songs, the songwriting and the recording process from two of the guys who were there. I will also bring in my rock-star caterer Linda, to recreate one of our amazing "Family Friday" dinners.

Tickets will go on sale Saturday, July 26.

Don't be a stranger...
 
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A heads up for those who are interested, there are several reviews for the seminar on Tripadviser.ca. The location is listed as Orlando because that is where it is based, but most if the reviews are regarding MJ week.
 

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The Brad seminars are an amazing experience for any Michael fan, the videos especially and demos of course. The stories are very fun to listen to as well. It was one of the highlights of Michael week for me :wub: and Steve Porcaro is so nice! Loved him! I hope I can attend one or more in the future if he keeps on making them as a tradition.
 

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More details of Orlando, 6th September with 2 x Brads: Starke Lake Studios with 'Family Friday' dinner...
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So listen - I am both humbled and touched when I get letters about my seminars. One of the new friends I made in LA is a young woman named Serena. She is a tough girl who has been through a lot, and I am so grateful
for opportunity to have met her. She wrote me a really kind letter, and I want to share a few lines from it:

>>"A couple days before I drove down to LA, I stopped at the MJ One shop. On display they have autographs and memorabilia from $8k to $87.5k. As much as I would love to be an owner of such magnificent priceless artifacts, I left "In The Studio With MJ" with a priceless wealth of knowledge, love, and appreciation of the man who we called a friend, idol, and even hero. No price tag could touch the love that was shared between the fans and those who knew him best. It was magical. For that I would do it all again."
 

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Brad on Neverland:
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It would be hard to estimate how many times I had been to the ranch. That’s what my girls called it. “Dad’s going to Michael’s ranch tomorrow, so he’ll be home late.” For fifteen years I had periodically driven the winding roads from my house just a few miles from the Rose Bowl across the 118 to the 101, through Santa Barbara then up the mountain to Los Olivos. It was almost exactly two and one half hours each way, if traffic was kind.

The funny thing about driving to the ranch was that I never got tired of it. There was always a bit of excitement going on in my head, like when I was young and going to an amusement park or the beach. Yes, it was work, but it was more than just work. We were building a place that was magical, and it made people happy.

I remember my first time at the ranch, likely in 1988. Michael had
purchased it and brought a real estate book about it (it’s former name was Sycamore Valley Ranch) to the studio to show us pictures of it. He quietly pulled me aside to ask if I would install some studio monitors in his bedroom, and the next thing I knew I was driving to Neverland for the first time.

When you arrived at Neverland, the first thing you saw was the security gate, and the buzzer. Even though I have driven through that gate countless times, and the guards knew me and my big green Chevy Tahoe, I never had the freedom to enter the property if
my name was not on the pass list. Once they found your name, the giant wooden gate would open, and you would drive to the guard shack just on the other side.

Security was always professional and friendly, but never casual. I was asked the same questions almost every visit, and asked to sign in.

“Do you have a camera?”

“No.”

“Do you know where you are going?”

“Yes.”

Having been cleared, you would be allowed to proceed.

The drive from the first gate to the second gate was perhaps the better part of a mile. There were no lawns or flowers, and the hills were usually dry and dusty with bushy shrubs and lizards. You would never think it was the driveway of a global celebrity.

Before too long you would see the “Boy On The Moon” logo welcoming guests from a sign on the side of the road. Finally you would pass over that last hill and start to round the corner. Whether
by chance or design, I always liked this little buildup of waiting to see the manicured lawns and gardens. It was like a long, slow introduction to a great song or movie. You would start getting glimpses of lush green grass and white fences.

As you drove, more things would come into view: the lake, giant oak trees protecting a huge house, guest houses, the train tracks and a train station, statues, and far off in the distance, there were more buildings, and of course the amusement park and zoo.

Even though I had crested that hill perhaps 250 times, I still got that little twinge of excitement every single time. It would be impossible not to.

As you would drive down the last hill leading to the ornate gate, you would see a huge parking lot for buses and guests to leave their cars. This was all part of the drama of visiting Neverland. You didn’t get the whole show at once, it was delivered in stages.

First you would leave your car and take a short walk through the ornate gate. At least that’s what we called it, the “Ornate Gate.”

Neverland wasn’t really set up for a lot of traffic, as the primary roads are barely wide enough for two cars to pass each other without driving on the grass. Also, most guests (and Michael) drove customized golf carts on the ranch, so it was safer to keep as many guest cars and trucks in this lot as possible.

Michael loved to create build-up and drama, and it started with the arrival of the guest at this gate. Guests would leave their cars and be greeted by a uniformed ranch employee, and escorted onto a private amusement park train. This was a great way for them to enter into Michael’s world.

He understood how to tell a story and how to set a stage, and it all started at this gate.

There really was no place on earth like Neverland, and it will never be the same because its creator is gone. Still, it will always be fully alive in my memory.

I recently read that the ranch will be put up for sale. I guess I have mixed feelings about that, but there is no Neverland without Michael, so I suppose this makes the most sense. Still, I would like to try to tell you what Neverland what like, from the music, to the rides, to the zoo. And I can't think of a better guy to share some stories with me than Brad Buxer.

Join us next month at the "Bradx2 - Extended Mix" seminar in Orlando, featuring a special segment on our memories of Neverland.

Tickets are on sale now. Will You Be There?
http://inthestudiowithmj.com/events
 

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Michael Prince added to the Florida event on 6th September...

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Brad Buxer, Brad Sundberg... and Michael Prince.

Bradx2 - Extended Mix

Sept 6, 2014

12pm - 8pm (dinner included)

Starke Lake Studios

Orlando, Florida - and no where else in the universe!

http://inthestudiowithmj.com/events/
 

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Is there anybody here who is thinking of attending in Orlando?

It's going to be a good one, luckily Brad Buxer will be attending for the entire seminar. It's also a great last chance to see Captain Eo in the theatre it was built for, which will probably never happen again. Disney will be closing captain Eo in Florida soon.

Something Matt Forger said at the seminar in February is that he calibrated the sound in all four Captain Eo theatres around the world, so that they would all have an equal experience. This is the place to see it for sure, not n your laptop!

Brad Buxer is a real sweetheart and a pleasure to listen to.If you want to go to a seminar but aren't sure if you should go this time, I suggest choosing the upcoming Orlando seminar.

Plus, Brad shows his private memorabilia that he doesn't show in any other location, including hand written lyrics slightly different from the final songs.
 

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I would LOVE to go; I've had to pass up the other two times he was here in Orlando, so very reluctantly because it's quite expensive for me, but...OMG, what an experience for those who can go. :yes: I was lucky enough to see Captain EO at Epcot back in 1986 too and a few other times after. :heart:
 

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I know, it is a lot of money and I had to make some big sacrifices to attend. Only you know what is right for you, all I can say is those sacrifices were worth it and I have no regrets.

I hope you get to go!
 

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Ok, so according to In the Studio with MJ they will not include the video of the recording of Childhood in their future seminars due to a request from the Estate. Dammit! :( Those who saw it you are soooo lucky!!! Did Michael wear sunglasses when he recorded the song? Was it one take? I was so looking forward to seeing it myself. Hopefully it will surface one day. *sigh*
 

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^ But hopefully that's because they are planning to release it in some form soon.
 

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Ok, so according to In the Studio with MJ they will not include the video of the recording of Childhood in their future seminars due to a request from the Estate. Dammit! :( Those who saw it you are soooo lucky!!! Did Michael wear sunglasses when he recorded the song? Was it one take? I was so looking forward to seeing it myself. Hopefully it will surface one day. *sigh*
I feel really sorry for all the fans who now do not get to see this. Those who currently have tickets for one of the In The Studio seminars and expected to see it soon must be especially disappointed.... It's definitely one of the highlights of the seminar. I hope, like you respect77, that this means they will release it soon, but I very much doubt that....

As for your questions wednesday: no, Michael did not wear sunglasses during the recording. You see him in a darkened booth (but can see him clearly), while the orchestra is playing in a room next to him. It was indeed just one take - he sings it flawlessly. It's amazing to see how Michael gets into the song. It's like he's feeling everything he is singing for the first time. At the same time, it's also really interesting to see how easily he 'snaps out' of it again. He quickly turns away from the microphone to clear his throat several times between lines, for instance. During the instrumental section of the song you can see him being really happy and excited about the orchestra's playing. And at the end of the song, after an incredibly strong emotional vocal performance, he just takes off his headphones and walks out of the booth like it was nothing. What an amazing performer.

This video really is precious. It in so many ways shows what MJ was all about. It's very special to see for fans of course, but I think it's also one of those things that would really amaze the general public.
 

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I feel really sorry for all the fans who now do not get to see this. Those who currently have tickets for one of the In The Studio seminars and expected to see it soon must be especially disappointed.... It's definitely one of the highlights of the seminar. I hope, like you respect77, that this means they will release it soon, but I very much doubt that....

As for your questions wednesday: no, Michael did not wear sunglasses during the recording. You see him in a darkened booth (but can see him clearly), while the orchestra is playing in a room next to him. It was indeed just one take - he sings it flawlessly. It's amazing to see how Michael gets into the song. It's like he's feeling everything he is singing for the first time. At the same time, it's also really interesting to see how easily he 'snaps out' of it again. He quickly turns away from the microphone to clear his throat several times between lines, for instance. During the instrumental section of the song you can see him being really happy and excited about the orchestra's playing. And at the end of the song, after an incredibly strong emotional vocal performance, he just takes off his headphones and walks out of the booth like it was nothing. What an amazing performer.

This video really is precious. It in so many ways shows what MJ was all about. It's very special to see for fans of course, but I think it's also one of those things that would really amaze the general public.

Thank you so much for your description SoCav!!! May I ask why you believe that the Estate will not release that footage? Why would they not want to show Michael the American master in his element? I pray they will (soon) release a documentary/DVD about Michael the musician in the studio being the BOSS! This side of him has not been promoted by his estate enough in my opinion (yet). I would love to see Michael direct people, tell them what to do, arrange, record, change things, discuss things and so on. Kind of like you can see in The Making of Ghosts where you can literally watch him create the dance moves etc. Well, hopefully in my life time...
 
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