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[PaceMioDolceCuore]

Conrad Murray News and discussion thread [No media Links allowed]

Reading the transcript was enough for me. I'd need a boatload of Valium myself if I were to watch this felon spew lies. Thanks to the transcript the gag reflex didn't result in a cracked rib from starting to vomit watching.

The only thing I take out of this is that no medical board in the US would give him his license back, considering the amount of dangerous quackery he spouted.

I'd love for Dr. Shaffer to do a thorough write up on every piece of quackery such as:

Why a patient needs to have gained demonstrable control of bladder function after surgery and the implications and meaning of sensory loss and WHY A PATIENT IS NOT RELEASED until these requirements have been met,

The potential impact of autoimmune disease on the central nervous system and how autoimmune disease can alter the CNS response to various medications (you can pump me full of morphine and my neuropathic pain will return very soon, whereas the tiniest amount of Benadryl has me sleeping as if I was injected with a lion tranquilizer- and giving me respiratory issues),

Explain the benefits of Demerol post surgery and why it is actually still used in conjunction with Propofol, it pi**es me off beyond belief that a supposed MD talks so cluelessly about basic issues.

Autoimmune disorders and sleep disorders and depression as biological responses to underlying disorders and the importance of a thorough work up not only by sleep specialists, but also neurologists, given his neurological symptoms.

Ask about the importance of thorough bloodwork and in the case of autoimmune disorders, the importance of lumbar punctures to exclude NEW autoimmune disorders that need diagnosis and treatment to prevent damage, particularly in a patient that already has several autoimmune disorders since it it widely known that one rarely comes alone.
Why a patient with known autoimmune disorders needs absolutely everything checked, what does that include- thyroid, other hormones, vitamin levels, minerals, heavy metals etcetc.
The importance of lumbar punctures and seronegativity, especially given his symptoms, age and ethnicity, there are to a of reasons for a thorough work up.

Since Mr. Jackson was diagnosed with several autoimmune disorders, why is it of such importance to run thorough bloodwork and why his anemia was not treated in a conventional manner. (There are several fairly safe infusions out there to deal with the most common iron anemia, they work fast as I can attest to)
Where his Vit D levels checked, particularly given the sun avoidance recommended in Vitiligo patients. Given the special circumstances that can arise in autoimmune disorder afflicted patients.

Isn't any doctor insane to have a patient complain of back pain, hip dislocation with sensory loss- and not investigate??? He should have been in an MRI with contrast solution yesterday.

Of course Dr.Shaffer could correctly state having no business arm chair diagnosing a patient he'd never seen, but I guess nobody has more knowledge at this point than Dr. Shaffer, but I realize that there are legal limits to the things Dr.Shaffer can speak to- but surely there is a way of extrapolating on Murray's own words from a publicly broadcast venue...

I would just love for a competent Doctor to just take up some of Murray's most ludicrous medical claims and use that to convincingly state why Murray should never, ever ever see a medical license again- just with the amount of dangerous quackery displayed in interviews.

Better yet- I would like to know that Doctors in the impacted states are willing to sign a petition designed to ease OUR minds- as a patient I want to know that my Doctor, too, would do everything to keep a convicted felon from practicing for the few eternities of evolution.

What an insidious EXPLETIVE. But at least he should have squashed even the most minuscule chance of a license, all by himself.

P.S.Murray, you wouldn't believe how da** portable a slit lamp is, you know?
If needed I can refer without problem to ethical and consummate optometrists and ophthalmologist, serving the population by making house calls to a patient base on a friggin' island- yessss, they are low vision providers, you know, and can work a trial frame on a sailboat or in the jungle, if needed.


P.P.S: You know what Doctors Without Borders does, right? Unless you crashed in a jungle, excuses for not having a chart maintained are pretty slim, particularly in the house of an artist with more paper available than your abusive delusions could ever come up with, they're quite repetitive.

EXPLETIVE.

 

[michaeljackson&lisamarie]

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this is the same man while in jail a few months back was talking about some Christmas song that he and Michael use to listen to together. that they both could relate to the song because they both had similar childhoods, and that Michael was his friend. now he's spewing all this disgusting, crazy mess. there is seriously something wrong with this man.

 

[marebear]

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This is disgusting. God help us all. This is why there should have been restitution against him. You know what? I was talking about karma in another thread and I don't believe it anymore. I don't understand why this is allowed to happen and why Michael has to suffer again and again. Being evil gets rewarded and I don't know how that is justice. I feel lost right now.

 

[HIStoric]

Isn't all of this a significant breach of patient confidentiality ?

Anyways, I'm reading the article on Daily Mail right now as we speak and some things stand out to me that I wish to discuss.

‘You want to know how close we were? I held his penis every night to fit a catheter because he was incontinent at night.’... ...Murray also assisted his friend in a more intimate way: ‘He wore dark trousers all the time because after he went to the toilet he would drip for hours.

Ok:
1. Holding his penis to fit in a catheter doesn't make you a close friend, it makes you his nurse or doctor, depending on your occupation. THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE PAID TO DO MURRAY
2. A close friend wouldn't spurt those sorts of private details out in a public interview, he'd keep it private. Seriously, why do we need to know that Michael would 'drip' for hours after, if it is true in the first place. Who cares? That's you and Michael's business, not ours!
3. Going by his logic, does that mean everyone who has a catheter inserted into/over their penis is close friends with the nurse or doctor that applied it?

'I left the room because I didn’t want to disturb him.‘I believe he woke up, got hold of his own stash of propofol and injected himself. He did it too quickly and went into cardiac arrest.'

If you didn't want to disturb Michael, you could just sit there in absolute silence, perhaps read a magazine or something quietly while checking on him every few minutes. Assuming the self-administering part is true (which I don't believe is), if you know someone has been addicted to a drug and has just come off it, you don't keep it near them where they can reach it!!!

That's like leaving a packet of cigarettes alone near your friend who quit smoking a few days ago. Of course they're very likely to give in and use it again. Murray should've kept a closer eye on him and not have left the propofol so easily accessible to Michael.

‘None of them are Michael’s biological children,’ he says. ‘Michael told me he never slept with Debbie Rowe [the biological mother of Prince and Paris]. We joked that neither of us would want to have sex with her.'

Regardless of whether this is true or not, this is a completely unnecessarily cruel and abhorrent shot at Debbie Rowe. Whether you believe PP&B are Michael's kids or not, there's no excuse to be so disgustingly rude to Debbie.

‘He chose friends or business colleagues to help him. He told me he wanted to sever any genetic link to his family.’

The first person (that I'm aware of) who he tried to have children first was Lisa Marie Presley, who we know he genuinely loved. The second person we know he tried to have children with was Debbie Rowe, a woman he had known for well over a decade and a half and very much trusted. I'm not sure about Blanket so I cannot discuss him.

Michael was known for being extremely proud of his race and there is pretty much no reason whatsoever to suggest he wanted to cut off the genetic link to his family. Sure, both the women we know he wanted to have children with were white, but it wasn't because they were white, it was because he loved and trusted both of them.

'He told me other doctors hadn’t been discreet. They would gossip about him.'

Congratulations. You're no better than the other doctors in this aspect. Gossip is "casual or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people, typically involving details which are not confirmed as true". I do not know whether Michael had to have a catheter inserted into his penis, but it's not my business and I honestly couldn't give a shit. That sort of information is extremely private and you, as a doctor, have breached patient confidentiality by having an 'unconstrained conversation' about Michael.

'I was the keeper of his secrets'

Yeah, this interview sure backs that up.

Murray says that for the first two-and-a-half years of their friendship he treated the family for ‘minor ailments’ which included Jackson’s insomnia, and administered skin whitening cream to give him the ‘porcelain’ skin he craved.

It's sad this part will be misinterpreted as Michael wanting to be white. He desired the 'porcelain' skill because it's better to have one smooth skin colour than a mix of skin colours all blotched and spotty. I'm not sure if that's exactly how Murray said it as that is how Daily Mail wrote the sentence.

Now look, I don't necessarily see Conrad Murray as a man who was out to deliberately murder Michael and honestly, I have a feeling he was probably telling the truth about trying to take Michael off of the drug. If that specific aspect was true and it was his real intention to help Michael, then I thank him for that.

However, that doesn't change the fact that not only did he turn out to be a terrible friend to Michael (sharing a shitload of personal medical secrets about him once he was gone) but that he was also completely careless and ended up taking Michael's life instead.

For that, I will never forgive him.

 

[Aquarius]

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How can anyone believe what he says is the true when it has been demonstrated that he's a liar. Sometimes I wonder if he wants to be believed or if he just want money. Leaving the answer about the molestation open, it only opens the door for others in the media to offer more money for more dirt and it won't surprise me if he joins forces with Wade.

I wonder if his license is reinstated if he would stop talking about Michael. Conrad says he was Michael's friend & I say he's a cruel friend. If those intimate details are true, a good friend would keep it as a secret. Friends don't talk about friends.

 

[Ramona122003]

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Reading what I have, I find it disturbing that this man was ever a doctor. His contempt and disregard for life is appealing. Given how he is acting, I wonder how the patients who defended him feels. Even if they believed Michael was an addict that killed himself, I cannot imagine they support Murray going on the news and talking about his 'friend' private moments. If they had died, would he had done the same to them.

Murray is so blunt in his malice that it is amazing that he hid his true nature from everyone. I think that is the most disturbing thing of all. It literally makes me ill.

Hearing Murray talk also makes me sad that he never took the stand so the DA could rip him a new one. Michael got up, with a full bladder and a catheter, drew the prop himself which takes several minutes to do, got back into bed, and self-injected despite being drowned in that stuff. It goes against science and common sense.

The most we can hope for is that Murray makes the rounds and people will lose interest in him. Other than haters, who thinks the worse of Michael anyway, no one is really interested in hearing him. The general public do not want to hear someone convicted of murder talking crap about their victim and their family and they also do not want to hear someone's private doctor spill secrets about their dead patient.

 

[Ramona122003]

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Anesthesia is like your brain shutting off. You can't control your breathing, you can't control your muscles and so on. So you cannot control your bladder as well. Actually it is standard procedure to put people on catheter when they go under anesthesia for a long time. so the only reason Michael was incontinent was because he was being sedated by Murray. That comment shows truly how clueless Murray is about anesthesia.

Sorry for the double post.

I am certain Murray knows the above. He is counting on the average layman not to know so he can paint Michael as weird and pathetic. I hope a reporter challenges him on this so people can watch him stuttered around.

 

[Gaz]

From The Estate Of Michael Jackson, Re: Conrad Murray Interview.

Hello:

Upon hearing reports of the interview by Conrad Murray, the Estate had the following statement:

"A jury found Murray criminally responsible for Michael Jackson's death. Yet he continues to blame Michael for his crimes. One must consider the source here. Murray is neither truthful nor credible. His bizarre and lurid comments are not worthy of any additional response. "


MJOnline
The Official Online Team of The Michael Jackson Estate™

 

[Joyce]

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I am just speechless right now. I didn't see a video of the interview, but read it here online, and Murray seemed to want to say ugly and unbelieveable things about MJ. I mean to say "I think he enjoyed giving this interview" and he will seek whatever way he can to get money and revenge....he didn't love MJ...He hated him and blames MJ for being found guilty (caught) and doesn't care what he says or who he says it too. I think he is still a danger to society.

 

[GreenEyes]

From The Estate Of Michael Jackson, Re: Conrad Murray Interview.

Hello:

Upon hearing reports of the interview by Conrad Murray, the Estate had the following statement:

"A jury found Murray criminally responsible for Michael Jackson's death. Yet he continues to blame Michael for his crimes. One must consider the source here. Murray is neither truthful nor credible. His bizarre and lurid comments are not worthy of any additional response. "


MJOnline
The Official Online Team of The Michael Jackson Estate™

While I think it's great that the Estate has responded, it's not enough. They should publically demand an apology from that network that aired this pathetic interview, as well as demand an apology from Murray for putting Michael's kids through this B.S. and openly talking about their father of such private matters. In the very least, they should at least publically call out and shame the Australian 60 Minutes show and the DailyMail for putting this out there.

Once again, they are just saying ignore it and don't bother. I wish they would come out swinging like they did against the Discovery network when they were going to air that autopsy show.

 

[Ramona122003]

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While I think it's great that the Estate has responded, it's not enough. They should publically demand an apology from that network that aired this pathetic interview, as well as demand an apology from Murray for putting Michael's kids through this B.S. and openly talking about their father of such private matters. In the very least, they should at least publically call out and shame the Australian 60 Minutes show and the DailyMail for putting this out there.

Once again, they are just saying ignore it and don't bother. I wish they would come out swinging like they did against the Discovery network when they were going to air that autopsy show.

There is not much the estate can do. It is not like they can blackball those who interview Murray. The Discovery Channel was different since they named and shamed them and Discovery Channel wanted to keep a respectable rep. Tabs do not care. You can named and shame them all you want and they will still gives tacky interviews. That is why Michael himself didn't response everything sad about him.

All the estate can do is say that Murray is convicted of killing a person and told countless lies, so he is not believable. That is more than good enough since Murray would enjoy the attention. Not let this guy think he is more important than he really is by getting the estate give line-by-line all his lies. Really, that is the family's job.

 

[GreenEyes]

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So, I just did a google news search to see if this story is getting legs, and yes it is.

But what's shocking to me is how many are using this headline:

"Conrad Murray: I held Michael's penis every night."

Unbelievable. Murray, is one sick SOB for even giving them this to run with.:no:

 

[michaeljackson&lisamarie]

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yea, the story is getting big. this is heartbreaking. first wade, now this.

 

[Ramona122003]

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So, I just did a google news search to see if this story is getting legs, and yes it is.

But what's shocking to me is how many are using this headline:

"Conrad Murray: I held Michael's penis every night."

Unbelievable. Murray, is one sick SOB for even giving them this to run with.:no:

Even if I was not a Michael fan, I find that headline completely gross. Who wants to click on a story with that kind of header? Yeah, I am sure everyone is just dying to read about a convicting killer holder their victim's penis. Good job news media. Keep it classy.

 

[xosweetseducingsighsxo]

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So, I just did a google news search to see if this story is getting legs, and yes it is.

But what's shocking to me is how many are using this headline:

"Conrad Murray: I held Michael's penis every night."

Unbelievable. Murray, is one sick SOB for even giving them this to run with.:no:

No..just, no. This sh*t ain't right. It just ain't right. And it sure ain't spiffy.

 

[CherubimII]

From The Estate Of Michael Jackson, Re: Conrad Murray Interview.

Hello:

Upon hearing reports of the interview by Conrad Murray, the Estate had the
following statement:

"A jury found Murray criminally responsible for Michael Jackson's death. Yet he continues to blame Michael for his crimes. One must consider the source
here. Murray is neither truthful nor credible. His bizarre and lurid comments are not worthy of any additional response. "

MJOnline

The Official Online Team of The Michael Jackson Estate™

Well said. Allow me to add the following: Conrad Murray is a murderer and a liar,
and Hell awaits him.

 

[Kerry Hennigan]

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I didn't watch the interview, I watched the Dr Who special on the ABC, and it was awesome!!!!

Yay, good for you Lena Lucy! (I didn't watch the interview either! Watched DVDs of old Midsomer Murders episodes from early evening until 10 pm - made sure I didn't see anything about the interview even accidentally, i.e. when changing channels!)

 

[barbee0715]

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You gotta love the media (including Freidman).

They won't be keen to pay Murray for an interview but they will gladly repost what he said. but they will be able to spread further negative stories about Michael without having actually dirtied their hands..

You are right. After reading the interview this morning I said that probably by tomorrow it would be on all the morning shows-GMA,Today, etc. That's what they do these days while acting all innocent. Then I signed off because I became physically sick over the whole thing.

Later on today I turned on the nightly news just to watch anything else and it was already on ABC Nightly News. Didn't even wait til tomorrow morning.


.[/QUOTE] I really am disturbed by this notion that he has something that would 'destroy' Michael. From the moment he was suspected in Michael's murder I knew he was a sociopath..[/QUOTE] I agree with you on this too-in fact, I thought about it all day and the "game plan " seems to be as with all the other evil villians in Michael's life. They're ordinary and greedy and this is the way to make big money. I have no doubt now that Valerie Wass not only kept him updated on the testimony in the trial, but he read all the salactious books written about Michael during the last two years-from Dimond down to Sullivan-this is exactly where these stories are coming from and he's hinting around about the pedophilia just to see how much money he can get.
I'm sure he understands that he'll never practice medicine again, and this is the way to make money-also have no doubt that they'll get in touch with Wade if they haven't already. Just as Matt F and Mark Lester have joined forces.

I think the best thing any news program could do right now if they show the story is to book people like Judge Pastor or David Walgren and dispute every single one of these things that Murray is claiming happened-to prove that he is a disgusting liar. But I don't think they will be ethical in this case. It's just a dream on my part.

 

[la_cienega]

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Now look, I don't necessarily see Conrad Murray as a man who was out to deliberately murder Michael and honestly, I have a feeling he was probably telling the truth about trying to take Michael off of the drug.

This was another proven documented lie.

He was ordering buckets and buckets of proprofol and had them when Michael died. They were ordered to his girlfriend's house. By the time the police went looking for them they'd magically vanished. He tampered and destroyed evidence. He was not weaning MJ off anything. He was meant to go to London to continue to give him propofol, MJ even states that in his notes.

Murray is lying, he was never "weaning" MJ off anything. He's trying to make himself seem like a hero, when he was the one giving MJ propofol and we know in 2009 no other doctor did. He also gave MJ benzos which really messed up MJ's system as they're dependence inducing, it doesn't even make sense for why he gave them to MJ but many have speculated it's just another facet which reveals he had no idea medically what he was doing. It's all bullshit.

 

[ivy]

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^^

I don't think he was trying to wean Michael from propofol but I think he might have stopped it for a few days. We don't know what was the reason for the June 19 episode but probably Murray was aware of the reason. He could have stopped whatever he was giving for a few days and hence the improvement at MJ on June 23rd and 24th. On the night of 24th Murray might have felt confident that whatever the June 19th issue was solved and he again started Propofol.

 

[xosweetseducingsighsxo]

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A hero of mine said it best regarding these situations:

"Leave me alone, stop it. Just stop doggin' me around." -Michael Jackson

Hopefully they will one day Michael, hopefully they will...

God, this nightmare is killing me. I can't handle this.

 

[windy09]

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The story was on the local news in LA. I can't believe that they would even allow airtime for him. I am truly disgusted that he gets any airtime. Please let Michael rest in peace. PLEASE!!

 

[HIStoric]

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This was another proven documented lie.

He was ordering buckets and buckets of proprofol and had them when Michael died. They were ordered to his girlfriend's house. By the time the police went looking for them they'd magically vanished. He tampered and destroyed evidence. He was not weaning MJ off anything. He was meant to go to London to continue to give him propofol, MJ even states that in his notes.

Murray is lying, he was never "weaning" MJ off anything. He's trying to make himself seem like a hero, when he was the one giving MJ propofol and we know in 2009 no other doctor did. He also gave MJ benzos which really messed up MJ's system as they're dependence inducing, it doesn't even make sense for why he gave them to MJ but many have speculated it's just another facet which reveals he had no idea medically what he was doing. It's all bullshit.

^^

I don't think he was trying to wean Michael from propofol but I think he might have stopped it for a few days. We don't know what was the reason for the June 19 episode but probably Murray was aware of the reason. He could have stopped whatever he was giving for a few days and hence the improvement at MJ on June 23rd and 24th. On the night of 24th Murray might have felt confident that whatever the June 19th issue was solved and he again started Propofol.

Interesting... thanks for that you two! I think I actually remember that "sent to girlfriend's house" story, now that you have mentioned it...

 

[LastTear]

From The Estate Of Michael Jackson, Re: Conrad Murray Interview.

Hello:

Upon hearing reports of the interview by Conrad Murray, the Estate had the following statement:

"A jury found Murray criminally responsible for Michael Jackson's death. Yet he continues to blame Michael for his crimes. One must consider the source here. Murray is neither truthful nor credible. His bizarre and lurid comments are not worthy of any additional response. "


MJOnline
The Official Online Team of The Michael Jackson Estate™

These daytime programmes read out comments from viewers, can't the estate send this statement to any channel that Murray is to appear on.

 

[LastTear]

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and that's also normal for an enlarged prostate as his autopsy showed. It just means his prostate wasn't properly dealt with either.

And I can accept that, however I do strongly feel that on the subject of incontinence (bed wetting) Murray is just trying to back up his lie that he only gave Michael a tiny amount if propofol. He has to come up with an excuse for why Michael was wearing a catheter, if you have tiny amount of a sedative you don't need a catheter but if you are under for a long period of time you do. Common sense as far as I'm concerned.

 

[LastTear]

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Murray Will Be Dead
I'll Buy the Bullet


Debbie Rowe is furious Conrad Murray trashed her in a new interview, and she tells TMZ ... she'll gladly buy a particularly lethal bullet to help end the doctor's life.


Rowe is "disgusted" by Murray's comment ... that he and Michael used to joke that neither would want to have sex with her.


Rowe fired back to TMZ, saying she believes within 18 months, "A Jackson fan will shoot him dead, and I'd buy the bullet." Rowe added, I wouldn't shoot him but I'd buy the bullet ... a hollow-point." FYI ... a hollow-point bullet essentially eviscerates the target's insides.


And Rowe goes on, telling us, "If I had a dog as ugly as him [Murray] I'd shave its ass, make it walk backwards and put a wig on it." And, she says, "It takes 2 to f**k and there's not enough alcohol in the world."


Rowe, who raises horses on her ranch, says, "At least I can breed. he can't even write prescriptions anymore."


She's also indignant that Murray is claiming MJ took his own life by injecting himself with the fatal dose of Propofol while the Dr. was out of the room. She says, "It's so disgusting he's trashing the dead. The jury sure didn't buy his story."




Source TMZ

 

[la_cienega]

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And I can accept that, however I do strongly feel that on the subject of incontinence (bed wetting) Murray is just trying to back up his lie that he only gave Michael a tiny amount if propofol. He has to come up with an excuse for why Michael was wearing a catheter, if you have tiny amount of a sedative you don't need a catheter but if you are under for a long period of time you do. Common sense as far as I'm concerned.

^^^ Fans need to make sure they know this, I predict this will be something shitty journalists in the future will try and claim was true.

 

[Bubs]

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He is sick and disturbed animal :mat:
He has no conscience that would tell him when to stop, he keeps going like a train heading off the rail.

Didn't he want to raise his profile and was looking in for getting PR person to help him? Either his PR person royally ****ed up, or he doesn't care about his profile. Even if he gets his appeal, and his medical license back (that would be a miracle), who would want him to treat them after what he tells about his patient? Maybe another delusional and narcissist sociopath?

So there is more to come and what it is going to be, depends on how much money he is being offered.
Demon Dimond could be first in line as she is speacialized this sort of cases.

 

[Bubs]

‘In the other bedroom [Michael’s private chamber], the police found an open bottle of lorazepam [an anti-anxiety drug]. They found tablets in his stomach. I didn’t give him those. Michael took extra tablets. And he injected himself.’

So basically he is saying after he went to bathroom, this chenario happened: MJ got up,removed the iv thingy from his leg so he could move around, or dragged the whole IV pole with him, went for his stash (someplace hidden), put surgigal cloves on,got needle and drew propofol,injected himself and removed cloves (no MJ's finger prints were found in any bottles in needles on the room), hid propofol, needle and cloves, and then lay on the bed and died. According to him, MJ must have inject himself with cloves on as no finger prints in any bottles or needles, so if MJ inject himself full of propofol, and then go around hiding his secret stuff.
Yeah right, in a cuckoo land.

He said this in that interview:
‘When paramedics came and they moved him to the foot of the bed they did precisely what I was trying to avoid. He had a saline intravenous in his leg and this was dislodged. It took them 25 minutes to put in a new one. He got a tube down his trachea. Someone kept pumping his chest.’"

He is talking so much shite that he is not even bother making his story straight. If it took 25 minutes to put new one in MJ, how MJ was walking around or possible removed that saline iv and put it back after MJ got his propofol from his hidden stash (as CM insinuations)?

"Murray refused to give up on his friend, riding in the ambulance with him to nearby UCLA Medical Center. ‘I worked on him the whole way. I wanted a sign of life. I couldn’t give up. I save people. I’m a heart doctor. It’s what I do. I wanted Michael back."

uke: What pisses me off the these sort of tabloids don't even attempt to ask questions or do even a little bit background check. It came out during his trial he didn't do such a thing. It was brought out that he called to his gf from ambulance.

 

[Ramona122003]

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Murray Will Be Dead
I'll Buy the Bullet


Debbie Rowe is furious Conrad Murray trashed her in a new interview, and she tells TMZ ... she'll gladly buy a particularly lethal bullet to help end the doctor's life.


Rowe is "disgusted" by Murray's comment ... that he and Michael used to joke that neither would want to have sex with her.


Rowe fired back to TMZ, saying she believes within 18 months, "A Jackson fan will shoot him dead, and I'd buy the bullet." Rowe added, I wouldn't shoot him but I'd buy the bullet ... a hollow-point." FYI ... a hollow-point bullet essentially eviscerates the target's insides.


And Rowe goes on, telling us, "If I had a dog as ugly as him [Murray] I'd shave its ass, make it walk backwards and put a wig on it." And, she says, "It takes 2 to f**k and there's not enough alcohol in the world."


Rowe, who raises horses on her ranch, says, "At least I can breed. he can't even write prescriptions anymore."


She's also indignant that Murray is claiming MJ took his own life by injecting himself with the fatal dose of Propofol while the Dr. was out of the room. She says, "It's so disgusting he's trashing the dead. The jury sure didn't buy his story."




Source TMZ

Well, damn....