Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Just means hes upset that we are pushing the facts.the facts he doesnt want anyone to know about. Keep it up?
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Did anyome know what did happen to JacksonPassion?
It semes that she don't want suppot MJ any more.
She has delated all his pics and videos from her instagram account and has now Freddy Mercury pics on it.
Very strange!
I always had the impression that she deeply loves Michael.
I semed to be wrong.
 
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Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

This has been a very hard past week and the reality is that things are going to get worse beginning today. That doc airs tonight and tomorrow in many countries. In my opinion this next 7 days is going to be VERY bad.....

Now here's the bright side. Let's say once this phases out of the news cycle and dies down, providing no other boys come forward I think the public will slowly forget about the details of this. I think MJ's legacy can remain (although it will be severely bruised) . Its going to be a very tough time over this coming month as everybody deals with the shock factor. The media certainly isn't helping with its wall to wall reporting, most of which is inaccurate or just downright lies. The tabloid stories are becoming mixed with the actual media stories and its creating a huge mess.

The other piece of good news is that from my perspective about 70 to 80% of all comments on Twitter and Facebook are PRO MJ. Now this may change once everyone sees the documentary, but for now the public is mostly in MJ's court. However, there is a growing segment that is right in the MeToo movement mindset and has written MJ off totally. All we can do is hope that this doesn't get worse. I've personally deleted Twitter for the coming weeks as it was consuming so much of my time and causing me major anxiety and sleeplessness seeing how Michael's legacy is being tarnished. It's so sad.
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Did anyome know what did happen to JacksonPassion?
It semes that she don't want suppot MJ any more.
She has delated all his pics and videos from her instagram account and has now Freddy Mercury pics on it.
Very strange!
I always had the impression that she deeply loves Michael.
I semed to be wrong.

Are you talking about Mary? She states that her youtube and instagram are JacksonPassion. And she is VERY PASSIONATE about here support of Michael! I follow her and she is incredible sweet!

https://twitter.com/itsmarymi

 
Hello everyone - this is the original Sundance thread - I've just tweaked the title so it's more reflective of the thread as a whole and moved to the general discussion forum ahead of airing this week.

Thanks everyone.
 
The sculptires were in mjs office. They were small wooden african figures that you buy off street sellers. It was laughed at in court when sneddon tried to imply the were pornographic. Just his racism more like.

All that really showed was that Michael was a healthy heterosexual man who definitely didn't shy away from things like that.

I kinda find Ronson's story odd now. He makes it sound like Michael really wasn't down with such material, lol.

Very sad of Vanity Fair to twist stories that way, they aren't even a tabloid are they? I recall that these magazines and videos were always out of reach for the children there. As would any normal parent do.
 
I kinda find Ronson's story odd now. He makes it sound like Michael really wasn't down with such material, lol.

Very sad of Vanity Fair to twist stories that way, they aren't even a tabloid are they? I recall that these magazines and videos were always out of reach for the children there. As would any normal parent do.

Well, Maureen Orth has done a few pieces of MJ that were REALLY BAD. So obviously Vanity Fair has a history of going after MJ, like everyone else. but these stories of MJ ritual-slaughtering animals and doing vodoo stuff!

Check this picture:

 
NPR had a segment on the morning news about this. I found it rather balanced. Obviously said what was alleged, but left out any salacious details. Quoted the estate, the family and played a portion of interview with Tom Mesereau. If that is the mainstream reaction there is hope.
 
Are you talking about Mary? She states that her youtube and instagram are JacksonPassion. And she is VERY PASSIONATE about here support of Michael! I follow her and she is incredible sweet!

https://twitter.com/itsmarymi


I don't know if this is the same Mary.
I talk about this Mary
With this youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-GRFr2BjZfsQEWk6weNZpg

But this instergram accout:
https://www.instagram.com/jackson.passion/
There she shared plenty of MJ pics and short videos til I think two days ago. But now they are gone.

She made the video together with friends "Michael Jackson and Wade Robson: The true story"
 
Alright. Maybe not the ideal thread to ask, but I am trying to combat people on youtube, and I have not posted much on youtube before. My problem is many of my comments DOES NOT APPEAR on youtube after posting them. I mean, I can see when logged that I have posted them. But if I use a different browser without being logged in they are not visible to anyone else. And also the comment amount does not increase when I post. Any idea why this is happening?

I dont see a reason why the message below would not be allowed on youtube, do you? I even had a different conversation and traded messages with someone, and all of a sudden my replies were not posted anymore, its very frustrating.

This is the message I posted:

"Things the media and the the makers of Leaving Neverland do not want you to know.
Wade Robson and Safechuck have a multi million dollar civil lawsuit pending against The Michael Jackson estate. (its on appeal after being thrown out)
Wade Robson tried to shop a book deal about the allegations which no one would publish since they did not find him credible. (A person working for one of these companies have said Robson asked for a large amount money for his book) Add the fact that Wade Robson started his allegations after The MJ estate denied him the directors job for the Michael Jackson cirque du soleil show in Las Vegas. A job court records show Robson was begging for.
Coincidently Robsons career was tanking in 2011 and in court records family members admits Robson was afraid he would not be able to provide for his family.
It was ONLY then he suddenly realized he had been abused by Michael Jackson after praising him in interviews and doing tributes for him 2009 to 2012.
Furthermore Robson has started a not for profit foundation and is soliciting donations. There can be no transparency, as he’s parked his 501 c3 very cleverly under something called the Hawaii Community Foundation. That way, Robson doesn’t have to file a form 990. We’ll never know if the makers of “Leaving Neverland” have donated money to it, for example. Its hidden. This was done on purpose. Leonardo DiCaprio does the same thing with his Foundation.
Why have the media not reported on any of this? I find it absurd that people say these 2 men have "no financial interest" at all in whats going on when they have millions of dollars at stake in their lawsuit against the MJ estate.
At last, Robson has been caught lying multiple times during his litigation against the MJ estate, he hid the fact that he had been shopping a book deal EVEN from his own lawyers. In fact they judge called him out one time and said nobody could believe what he was telling was the truth.
As for Safechuck: In his lawsuit, Safechuck described Michael Jacksons record company MJJ Productions as "a school" and therefore MJJ Productions would be responsible for all "the children within it". This was so laughable that the judge called Safechuck out for it!
But it raises a more alarming factor. If MJJ Productions were indeed a school, they would not only be civically responsible for the ALLEGED molestation, but also CRIMINALLY responsible!
So why did Safechuck not file a CRIMINAL case then? I am sure it had nothing to do with the fact that a criminal case would not get him ANY MONEY!
And this is just the tip of the iceberg. If someone cared to dig a little deeper they would see these accusers who are admitted perjurers also have a long list of credibility problems and contradicting their own stories during the years 2013 to 2019. Its all there in writing, if you look into their civil cases against MJ estate from 2013 to 2019.
But no one seem to be interested in doing even a little research, instead just taking these serial liers claims as truth. When I ask ifthey have read the court transcript, they reply "Watch the film, its powerful" the say.
MJs lawyer Tom Mesereaus words: "Just becaue its graphic, does not mean its true""
 
I don't know if this is the same Mary.
I talk about this Mary
With this youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-GRFr2BjZfsQEWk6weNZpg

But this instergram accout:
https://www.instagram.com/jackson.passion/
There she shared plenty of MJ pics and short videos til I think two days ago. But now they are gone.

She made the video together with friends "Michael Jackson and Wade Robson: The true story"

Its clear cut its the same person. She says she is JacksonPassion on youtube and instagram. And that Mary I linked til on twitter was behind the video you mentioned and you can see on her twitter that she has similar videos that she made.

She is posting LOTS of messages on twitter every day IN SUPPORT of Michael. So you forget about the idea that she has abandoned MJ or anything like that. The only thing you could question is what happened to her instagram.

Her instagram does say: "backup. for now." Whatever that means. But there is no doubt she is bleeding for Michael! I just want to make that clear, we dont want a person who have contributed greatly for us to be questioned in this thread or anywhere else!
 
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Its clear cut its the same person. She says she is JacksonPassion on youtube and instagram. And that Mary I linked til on twitter was behind the video you mentioned and you can see on her twitter that she has similar videos that she made.

She is posting LOTS of messages on twitter every day IN SUPPORT of Michael. So you forget about the idea that she has abandoned MJ or anything like that. The only thing you could question is what happened to her instagram.

Her instagram does say: "backup. for now." Whatever that means. But there is no doubt she is bleeding for Michael! I just want to make that clear, we dont a person who have contributed greatly for us to be questioned in this thread or anywhere else!

Instagram has a feature that lets you "archive", or hide, your posts. It's possible she's done that in preparation for the incoming storm, and will be focusing on other platforms instead.
 
Its clear cut its the same person. She says she is JacksonPassion on youtube and instagram. And that Mary I linked til on twitter was behind the video you mentioned and you can see on her twitter that she has similar videos that she made.

She is posting LOTS of messages on twitter every day IN SUPPORT of Michael. So you forget about the idea that she has abandoned MJ or anything like that. The only thing you could question is what happened to her instagram.

Her instagram does say: "backup. for now." Whatever that means. But there is no doubt she is bleeding for Michael! I just want to make that clear, we dont a person who have contributed greatly for us to be questioned in this thread or anywhere else!

Ok thank you very very much for telling me this! Its light up my day cause I felt soooo sad when I saw her instergram this morning and was a little bit shocked!

Then I know now that a new defending MJ video will come from her soon cause she said under one MJ pic that she is working on one before she changed the account.
 
So who is going to watch it and shred it apart for us? I have no plant to watch anything.
 
It will be broadcasted in France (I have no idea when) and I really don't know if I should watch or not...
Are you guys gonna watch it ? Give us a feedback :/
 
All that really showed was that Michael was a healthy heterosexual man who definitely didn't shy away from things like that.

I kinda find Ronson's story odd now. He makes it sound like Michael really wasn't down with such material, lol.

Very sad of Vanity Fair to twist stories that way, they aren't even a tabloid are they? I recall that these magazines and videos were always out of reach for the children there. As would any normal parent do.

Presume orth wrote the article. She hates mj and wrote articles about him bathing in cows blood and casting voodoo spells on people. She was married to a top presenter at nbc before he died
 
So who is going to watch it and shred it apart for us? I have no plant to watch anything.

Its enough when some MJ youtubers watch it who can create debunking videos after it, people from the estate a the jackson family.
Maybe Mc to file a lawsuit after it.
I fon't want waste my time. I hope that it won't air here in Germany.
The german press didn't treat MJ well.
 
Scream;4244688 said:
Is this thing airing tonight in the US?
Yes, but I don’t have HBO, and I don’t intend on wasting my energy to watch it. I will be blasting Michael’s music for quite a while and singing his songs during karaoke. We know the truth. The media knows the truth, but they always have an agenda against Michael from day one. It’s nothing new, it’s challenging, but we have to keep God on our side. On my way to church this morning, I played “Keep The Faith” to lift me up. Had a great service by the way. As we brace ourselves, we must maintain a positive attitude. I don’t care what the media says, what people may think, at the end of the day, I know the truth!

I never gave those greedy ones any energy. My sixth sense never lies. Don’t ever dwell on the negative outcome. At least I found comfort that Michael is no longer suffering from any abuse, and he is looking down smiling. Don’t worry about the haters, they will get theirs soon. Don’t quit listening to the music. Music plays a huge role in my life.

GOD IS STILL GOOD, ALL THE TIME!
 
So who is going to watch it and shred it apart for us? I have no plant to watch anything.
I don't see any point of us watching it, even if we do have HBO. There will be enough people watching it, tweeting about it and even clips on YouTube directly after, so everyone will be able to see it. We'll have enough to tear it apart.

Presume orth wrote the article. She hates mj and wrote articles about him bathing in cows blood and casting voodoo spells on people. She was married to a top presenter at nbc before he died
Yes, she was married to Tim Russert. 'Meet the Press' was one of my favorite Sunday political shows, mainly because of Tim's sheer joy in talking politics and he was a genuinely nice person.

I was so shocked when he died, and even more shocked when I realized he was married to her-when she was at the funeral. Couldn't be more different.
 
Hello everyone - this is the original Sundance thread - I've just tweaked the title so it's more reflective of the thread as a whole and moved to the general discussion forum ahead of airing this week.

Thanks everyone.
Thank you-I'm glad you have it all in one place, and not separating it between people who are fighting elsewhere in Michael's defense and people who are feeling doom. All of us are out there (personally I'm only on mainstream articles) and it's nice to be able to come back here, and maybe spout off or be depressed, and then go back, revived.
 
Actually I am against watching it but we want rebuttal videos so someone must watch. I see on twitters some fans will do just that which will be great.

Anyway, Wade told Oprah that the Jacksons and the estate knew about the abuse and were covering up for MJ and paying people off and that he and james cannot be silenced any longer. this is for those who questioned yesterday the tweet about asking other friends/ accusers of mj to come forward. As respect77 said, he is a sociopath he has no remorse, we cannot count on him feeling any guilt but he is becoming overconfident and feels like he is so smart he can say whatever he wants to say and will get away with it. He has exposed himself to lawsuits from mi's friends, family and the estates now because of his delusions of superiority. He is one hell of a mental monster.
 
What it comes to my mind right now:
According to the timeline MJ must have known in 2005 how badly Wade had cheeted on brandy with multible woman and betrayed her.

So when Wade (a not professional actor) was a victim it whould be doublestrange for MJ to put Wade on the stand as his first witness, cause he whould have to be double frighten that he whould betrayed MJ and spoke out in court against him!
 
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for those who plan to watch the doc.. Don't watch it on HBO! don't help the ratings!
 
I don't think we talked about this before but I was discussing this with my friend. If you were a director and you want to earn some good money, who do you approach first?

I would go to Netflix first, for damn sure they are bigger and more popular than HBO. This kinda tells me that Netflix said "not interested" to them. I can't imagine that Reed went to HBO first.

Hopefully Netflix remains normal on this matter and maybe they could pick up the Taj and/or Geraldine doc? They picked up Making a murderer after all.
 
Why is Dan Reed so defensive about fans ? Maybe he's angry about the truth lol
 
Dan Reed compared MJ to Adolf Hitler and Ted Bundy....Dan is really going on FULL attack mode!

 
Dan Reed compared MJ to Adolf Hitler and Ted Bundy....Dan is really going on FULL attack mode!


But remember, it's not about Michael Jackson, sigh.

At least one person from the estate was at Sundance, right? I just wonder if more could have been done against this. A documentary of their own was too short notice, but something more maybe? Maybe for some reason they want this to air first, but I just wonder why? The damage will have been done already.
 
I really hope Taj is making some money off of the interviews he does and uses it towards the docu-series..
 
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