Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">HBO will be held accountable. They were warned about all the lies in Leaving Neverland before it even aired and still didn’t care. Now they need to stand behind it and stop hiding. Let the public see what’s it really about.</p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1124594145958420480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There is NO CONTEMPORARY EQUIVALENT to Michael Jackson, 2 Pac, Prince or Whitney Houston.<br><br>Y’all better open up Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube and watch, listen and learn. &#129318;&#127998;*&#9794;&#65039; <a href="https://t.co/byiD7P8D7i">pic.twitter.com/byiD7P8D7i</a></p>&mdash; Isaac Hayes III (@IsaacHayes3) <a href="https://twitter.com/IsaacHayes3/status/1124479412106350601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And Barbara Davidson, an alleged “journalist,” has blocked me after this and two other rather tame tweets. What a clueless snowflake. So typical of when arrogant “journalists” get called out for virtue-signaling on subjects about which they know nothing. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/PsqZ4PBiGi">https://t.co/PsqZ4PBiGi</a></p>&mdash; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1124493314013581313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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[terrell]

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In response, Hollywood pitbull litigator Bryan Freedman, who represents the estate, tells The Blast, “HBO’s opposition clearly shows that they are afraid to have this matter adjudicated because it will expose the falsity of the documentary. The Jackson Estate wants an arbitration open to the public for all to see. If HBO thinks the contract does not apply or is expired then why are they opposing adjudicating it? The reason why is because they know they were complicit in this one-sided farce of a money grab that clearly violates the agreement.”

Freedman adds, “HBO does not want this fought in any courtroom because it will expose the falsity and intentional deceptiveness of the documentary. HBO’s reaction to this lawsuit is to delay the inevitable while continuing to misinform the public.”

He continues, “Unfortunately for HBO, neither courts nor arbitrators will allow a one-sided intentionally misleading fiction like the bogus documentary they were complicit in creating. This will be adjudicated hearing both sides of the story which will clearly show HBO’s intentional conscious disregard for the truth and expose how far HBO will go to violate the rights of artists in the pursuit of greed.”

Freedman concluded by saying, “Make no mistake, HBO will be held responsible for its reprehensible conduct.”

FIGHT ESTATE!! And I believe there are a lot of media people PAID to push this lie as well to damage MJ. I truly believe that. Amazing the same media outrage over lying Trump/William Barr are the same media willing to listen to lying Wade/James.

 

[La74]

FIGHT ESTATE!! And I believe there are a lot of media people PAID to push this lie as well to damage MJ. I truly believe that. Amazing the same media outrage over lying Trump/William Barr are the same media willing to listen to lying Wade/James.

I think it is quite obvious that people were/are paid to promote it and I think Oprah is one of them. Still about Oprah you can&#8217;t actually be sure. I never realized how much some people idolize her and this really upset them. To me she is just a talk show host who once made that interview with MJ and I liked The colour purple. Her fame in other countries is no way near what it seems to be in America. Many still hope that eventually she will apologize and for their sake I hope she will but I don&#8217;t think so. Also the reason the Estate did not fund Tajs documentary is probably that in that case HBO could have played the &#8221;Jackson machine&#8221; card. Also I think that soundtrack really make it look stupid.

 

[PoP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson Estate Slams HBO in Latest Battle Over &#8216;Leaving Neverland&#8217; <a href="https://t.co/VKCVA8RHnn">https://t.co/VKCVA8RHnn</a></p>&#8212; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1124510843331153920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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In response, Hollywood pitbull litigator Bryan Freedman, who represents the estate, tells The Blast, &#8220;HBO&#8217;s opposition clearly shows that they are afraid to have this matter adjudicated because it will expose the falsity of the documentary. The Jackson Estate wants an arbitration open to the public for all to see. If HBO thinks the contract does not apply or is expired then why are they opposing adjudicating it? The reason why is because they know they were complicit in this one-sided farce of a money grab that clearly violates the agreement.&#8221;

Freedman adds, &#8220;HBO does not want this fought in any courtroom because it will expose the falsity and intentional deceptiveness of the documentary. HBO&#8217;s reaction to this lawsuit is to delay the inevitable while continuing to misinform the public.&#8221;

He continues, &#8220;Unfortunately for HBO, neither courts nor arbitrators will allow a one-sided intentionally misleading fiction like the bogus documentary they were complicit in creating. This will be adjudicated hearing both sides of the story which will clearly show HBO&#8217;s intentional conscious disregard for the truth and expose how far HBO will go to violate the rights of artists in the pursuit of greed.&#8221;

Freedman concluded by saying, &#8220;Make no mistake, HBO will be held responsible for its reprehensible conduct.&#8221;

Oh they are scared alright, they knew they're caught by violating a "non-disparagement" agreement with Michael in 92' and they're gonna lose $$$ if they lose the case which they deserve to be.

 

[1nn5]

Was the declaration of the Estate lawyer after HBO response for the trial. Because B. Freeman didn't mention/ responds to HBO claims about the end of contract.
He's talking like a fan, not like a lawyer.. talking too much doesn't mean that you will win the trial.

 

[Amaya]

FIGHT ESTATE!! And I believe there are a lot of media people PAID to push this lie as well to damage MJ. I truly believe that. Amazing the same media outrage over lying Trump/William Barr are the same media willing to listen to lying Wade/James.

Shortly after LN aired, someone on another forum quoted someone from Lipstick Alley (yet another forum, and a non-MJ one at that) about this sort of thing:

MJFam - the mockumentary is flopping and the people behind it are building/buying a bigger defense of people. I have a friend in the industry who lives in LA (I have many friends like this) and she texted me last night because she sees me talking about the truth on Twitter. She said two people she knows were approached for “work” last week and told they would be paid per post to promote the mockumentary on various social media sites and forums. They were given the option of using their own accounts or using ones given to them that have been maintained randomly to look relevant when needed.

These people, before, could care less one way or the other but declined and now are disgusted and joining the mission to say MJ is innocent. They said they will not expose the offers though because they don’t want to be blackballed. These people have integrity, but not everyone does when they need their rent paid and trying to make it in the industry.

Don’t believe me? Notice how suddenly there are more people here being nasty suddenly? Even more even today....as they are losing?

No coincidence.

There's definitely some shit going on, shit that the media is trying to sweep under the rug as they always do.

 

[Anna]

Pearl is banned from MJJC. Please do not post her content, it will be deleted.

Thank you.

 

[ozemouze]

I think it is quite obvious that people were/are paid to promote it and I think Oprah is one of them. Still about Oprah you can&#8217;t actually be sure. I never realized how much some people idolize her and this really upset them. To me she is just a talk show host who once made that interview with MJ and I liked The colour purple. Her fame in other countries is no way near what it seems to be in America. Many still hope that eventually she will apologize and for their sake I hope she will but I don&#8217;t think so.

Same here. She was great in The Color Purple (she should have stick to acting) so I was happy to find out she'll be doing the interview with MJ in 93. But it turned out to be quite a disappointment, she was so fake and somewhat cold (to the point of making me cringe at some parts). Anything relatively good in it was thanks to MJ only, as his personality managed to shine through the uninteresting and cliché questions (imagine how great the interview could have been with genuine questions by an attentive reporter). And I could never forgive her for attentionseekingly humming while MJ was beatboxing Who Is It either. You just DON'T hum into Who Is It!

And you're right, outside of the US she's not that known, and it's almost incomprehensible how a simple talk show host can have such an influence.

 

[ozemouze]

This twitter conversation is hilarious, one blue tick LN supporter (who supposed to be a journalist!) was presented with facts as usual, including the FBI docs and she thought it's from Facebook (she somehow mixed the FBI with FB???). Now everybody's laughing at her:

https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1124453217868234758

Who confuses 366 page FBI file with Facebook?

Are you seriously that dumb not to realize that FBI is the acronym of FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIONS?

How did you graduate?

All those secret Facebook agents

Dear Barbara, FBI stands for Federal Bureau of Investigation and not Facebook. We understand it's hard to keep up with so much information, but we will take it nice and slow with you.

Yes, MJ was heavily investigated by Facebook during the 1990s....

It&#8217;s always amusing when someone majorly embarrasses themselves when they&#8217;ve been so condescending.

Imma screenshot this so that if I ever feel like a failure I can remember that there are bigger ones out there.

One of the most unprofessional, dumbest journalists of the century. You really made my day with your stupidity.

 

[terrell]

This twitter conversation is hilarious, one blue tick LN supporter (who supposed to be a journalist!) was presented with facts as usual, including the FBI docs and she thought it's from Facebook (she somehow mixed the FBI with FB???). Now everybody's laughing at her:

https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1124453217868234758

Lord have mercy. Thank goodness for social media now. back in the day, these fools could write such lies and not be challenge in a public forum.

 

[terrell]

Was the declaration of the Estate lawyer after HBO response for the trial. Because B. Freeman didn't mention/ responds to HBO claims about the end of contract.
He's talking like a fan, not like a lawyer.. talking too much doesn't mean that you will win the trial.

It does not mean they will lose either.

 

[SmoothGangsta]

Someone posted this on twitter. It's from the contract and I think this pretty clearly says that even after they are no longer associated with mj it still stands. I'd say that the only thing hbo have now is saying that it has expired which I think could be seen as valid even though I don't think it's true.

 

[travis3000]

Both David Geffin and Oprah are die hard Democrats. What you would call the money people. David is an admitted homosexual. It is a proven fact that men who are homosexuals are because they were raped when they were little boys. In Ancient times, old men wanted to be young and boys became girls and this was through the old men molesting or raping the boys and they became girls. Since President Trump came into office, the homosexual community isn't as powerful. Trump was voted into office on account of those folk who were sick to death of their rights being violated. Do I think David Geffin and Oprah have a political agenda, perhaps. Is it a conspiracy theory that David Geffin and Oprah are sexual deviants that they would go to the lengths that they have to discredit Michael Jackson because of their agenda? IDK. With the economy and interest rates holding steady, Trump will be reelected. The democrats will have to wait if not forever. The popular vote living in the major cities was not the voice of those who live else where. Not everyone is stupid, especially with the rhetoric of "Fake News" so mainstream within our popular culture.

Dan Reed is an opportunist just like Martin Bashir is. To exploit and perpetuate a lie for those who are greedy is exposed. This is why Oprah got quiet, it was not a good public relations opportunity to support that Michael Jackson is a child molester, which is Fake News at its best. Putin was livid at Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, who represented America's interest over in Russia and she meddled in their Political System. Pay back was Putin's agenda towards Hilary Clinton and Trump is suppose to take the blame. Kind of like Michael Jackson taking the blame of the sexual deviant's living in Hollywood. The Bible is coming true!

Are you kidding me? What is wrong with you man. Im gay, are you saying that's because I was raped as a kid? Get a grip. You are beyond clueless.

 

[MJTruth]

Someone posted this on twitter. It's from the contract and I think this pretty clearly says that even after they are no longer associated with mj it still stands. I'd say that the only thing hbo have now is saying that it has expired which I think could be seen as valid even though I don't think it's true.

That text has nothing to do with defamation or disparagement. It is about confidentiality. I wonder whether the personal content of LN could lead to breach of this, but that's not what the mj estate are currently trying to arbitrate. Did they miss a trick here?

 

[MJTruth]

Wow I can't believe AliCat wrote that. being abused or badly treated in any way can impact a young persons behaviour and character. That is proven. But I think it's a irresponsible and inaccurate to say somebody is gay purely because of sexual abuse as a child. nature, not nurture, is the driver.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Debbie Rowe is in full support of Mike too, nothing shocking but still great.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A street performer in London’s Leicester Square today performing to Beat It! Not sure what they were doing, I was more interested in the incredible music and the growing crowd...mute who?! &#128081; <a href="https://t.co/Vbmif5xBMp">pic.twitter.com/Vbmif5xBMp</a></p>&mdash; Pez Jax (@Pezjax) <a href="https://twitter.com/Pezjax/status/1124697856647016448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#128591;&#127997; Speechless <a href="https://t.co/wEeeRlRblQ">https://t.co/wEeeRlRblQ</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1124832853093576705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I found it! This single paragraph applies to not just MJ, but his family (kids), and companies. Also you know how HBO is trying to deflect it on AMOS? Well, take a look at the first highlighted area. Second one is the one “perpetually” <a href="https://t.co/Z54tyI8LtM">pic.twitter.com/Z54tyI8LtM</a></p>&mdash; Dr. Andrew Greene (@AndrewGreene864) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewGreene864/status/1124216018828759040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">3. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All fandoms love to hype up their faves, but most of them are overrated. The only one truly worthy of the praise is Michael Jackson. No one else comes close. We love a king! &#128081;</p>&mdash; Nicholas Hollywood (@nicholastmusic) <a href="https://twitter.com/nicholastmusic/status/1124812806652604416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

So what are the expectations right now when it comes to the estate's chances against HBO? Or impossible to say yet?

 

[myosotis]

That text has nothing to do with defamation or disparagement. It is about confidentiality. I wonder whether the personal content of LN could lead to breach of this, but that's not what the mj estate are currently trying to arbitrate. Did they miss a trick here?

Further down the 'Confidentiality' section is a sentence which begins : HBO shall not make any disparaging remarks.... or do any act which may harm or disparage or may cause to lower in esteem the reputation or public image of performer...etc. (The whole section under 'Confidentiality' has to be read together.)

&#8220;The vague and overbroad interpretation of the non-disparagement sentence that Petitioners urge this Court to adopt would, if accepted, violate HBO&#8217;s First Amendment right to distribute expressive content on an issue of public concern,&#8221; HBO&#8217;s lawyers argue.

https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/m...it-leaving-neverland-hbo-counters-1203204141/

Interesting that HBO are challenging this on '1st amendment rights' which their lawyers voluntarily gave up when they signed this contract. This element has been litigated by employees elsewhere (eg an example from Arizona, below), and the individual had lost their argument on these grounds. because they voluntarily signed away their rights.

The Court also rejected the defendant&#8217;s First Amendment argument. It held that a First Amendment right of free speech does not apply in a private setting absent some kind of state action. Moreover, you are free to waive your First Amendment rights anytime you want to, as the defendant did when he agreed restrict his own free speech rights in the FreeLife contract. It was a virtually unlimited gag order of his own making.

http://www.jaburgwilk.com/news-publ...t-clause-and-why-you-may-not-want-to-sign-one

HBO's last point, that the wealthy will protect themselves is rather fatuous, because dead wealthy people obviously cannot protect themselves at all in California, where individuals without voluntarily agreed pre-existing contracts can freely slander any deceased person without fear of prosecution. The Estate should be able to argue that the innocent deceased should have continued protection, through the contracts voluntarily agreed in the course of business during their lifetime- especially when those contracts specifically mention 'in perpetuity'. HBO is not after all claiming or alleging that MJ abused HBO or its employees or agents. HBO simply wanted to make money out of such allegations, which were already being litigated by R and S, and the court cases had already been widely publicised on TV and in the press - so there was no 'public interest' that HBO was fulfilling.

 

[1nn5]

Some of the Estate lawyers have participated in writing the contract with HBO in 1992, no ?

 

[somewhereinthedark]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/LiamMcEwan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LiamMcEwan</a> F.Y.I. &#128563;<br>HBO has taken the misconception that your mini-doc/interviews Re: LN was done by the MJ Estate and have very specifically referenced it, tho not by name, in their legal pleading Re:Arbitration w/ the MJ Estate, made public today.&#128071;&#128071;&#128071;&#128071; <a href="https://t.co/LVm1yiVdqo">pic.twitter.com/LVm1yiVdqo</a></p>&mdash; Angie Kincade-Chizum (@AngelaLeeChizum) <a href="https://twitter.com/AngelaLeeChizum/status/1124169429011582976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">3. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WATCH and share - <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> INSPIRES - <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bollywood?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bollywood</a> and the WORLD -- <a href="https://t.co/ByuQeuk9uz">https://t.co/ByuQeuk9uz</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1124397007605420033?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">3. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After 4 weeks of rehearsing, 50 kids are ready to perform Beat It and Thriller infront of the entire school and parents today. MJ lives on &#128521;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KingOfPop?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KingOfPop</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJacksonWorkshop?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJacksonWorkshop</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/gZ4TqKyoBX">pic.twitter.com/gZ4TqKyoBX</a></p>&mdash; Kent Olaf Steinhaug (@kentolaf) <a href="https://twitter.com/kentolaf/status/1124260999522148352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">3. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">HBO's response to the Michael Jackson's Estate lawsuit <a href="https://t.co/vHtgV4qvWL">https://t.co/vHtgV4qvWL</a></p>&mdash; MJVibe (@Mjvibe) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mjvibe/status/1124199482630057984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">3. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There is no muting of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> in San Diego radio! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KingOfPop?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KingOfPop</a> then, now &amp; FOREVER. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJacksonIsInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJacksonIsInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJinnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJinnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverlandLIES?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverlandLIES</a> <a href="https://t.co/Ofd4il3Yhj">pic.twitter.com/Ofd4il3Yhj</a></p>&mdash; D (@SoFukkenWat) <a href="https://twitter.com/SoFukkenWat/status/1123737343465332737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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My family and I went to the movies on Friday. As we walked in theater, “ The Way You Make Me Feel “was playing loud and clear. When movie was over, we walked out and “Beat It” was playing. It seems as if MJ songs were playing in the lobby the entire time we were there. Btw, we were there 3 hrs. MUTE WHO!!:listeningtomusic

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

New longer Rebuttle Video to "Leaving Neverland"

"Leaving Neverland: The Aftermath FULL DOCUMENTARY" from"Jin'tonic"

2.281 views on May 6 2019

New Podcast Episode from the Michael Jackson Innocent Project

THE MICHAEL JACKSON INNOCENT PROJECT HAVE RECORDED THEIR PHONECONVERSATIONS WITH MICHAEL JACOBSHAGEN IN JANUARY!
They are starting talking about this subject at aroud 0:10:00 !

 

[Thriller_MJ]

I thought parents voted to keep the name, why the sudden change, if it's true?

https://www.latimes.com/local/educa...son-name-on-school-debate-20190424-story.html

 

[Annie Are You Ok]

I thought parents voted to keep the name, why the sudden change, if it's true?

https://www.latimes.com/local/educa...son-name-on-school-debate-20190424-story.html

This is an article from before the vote. The headline is just stating that the vote is going to take place.

 

[CherubimII]

I thought parents voted to keep the name, why the sudden change, if it's true?

They voted, once again, just recently to keep Michael Jackson's name on the auditorium.
Below is a link to the follow-up article:

Michael Jackson’s name to remain on L.A. school auditorium despite sex abuse claims​

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https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-edu-michael-jackson-auditorium-debate-20190426-story.html​

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Whould you guys who have watched LN confirm that when they describe in the movie what should have happened between the children and Michael they mostly called it SEX not ABUSE or MOLESTATION or anything simular?

Im don't really wanna read the full LN transcript to know if this claim of the Michael Jackson Innocent Project is true.

 

[AG5050]

Whould you guys who have watched LN confirm that when they describe in the movie what should have happened between the children and Michael they mostly called it SEX not ABUSE or MOLESTATION or anything simular?

Im don't really wanna read the full LN transcript to know if this claim of the Michael Jackson Innocent Project is true.

What difference does it make? I can’t remember what they call it but sex with someone who is under age and can’t consent is abuse and molestation. It’s all the same thing, what difference does it make what word is used to describe it.

 

[terrell]

I thought parents voted to keep the name, why the sudden change, if it's true?

https://www.latimes.com/local/educa...son-name-on-school-debate-20190424-story.html

LA times is trash. pay them no attention.

 

[Nantucket Cat]

What difference does it make? I can&#8217;t remember what they call it but sex with someone who is under age and can&#8217;t consent is abuse and molestation. It&#8217;s all the same thing, what difference does it make what word is used to describe it.

It makes a difference in terms of their description of the alleged events. In my experience (I used to do transcriptions of police interviews with kids who have been sexually abused, so I'm no expert, but I have heard a ton of stories), even teenagers and adults won't call being abused "having sex." It's just not a term that comes up. Most people draw a very distinct line between consensual "sex" and abuse/molestation, and they won't use one term to describe the other. This is not to say that no one who has actually been abused would ever refer to it as sex, but it is highly unusual.

Dan Reed has said that he specifically wanted them to use the term "sex" and talk very explicitly. He claimed that was so people wouldn't misunderstand the story, but the bigger reason seems to be to amp up the shock factor. For what it's worth, throughout the movie, they do refer to it as sex, which is one of many ways that their accounts differ from actual abuse victims. Words matter, especially when, as they claim is the case in the movie, someone is talking in a stream of consciousness and is not scripted.

 

[WannaScream]

If I recall correctly they mostly said "sex" but also "abuse/d" too. I didn't believe these men anyway but I found it interesting that a mental health professional I know thought they were lying and she doesn't even like Michael. I wish she did have an interest because I'd like to discuss the prior allegations with her.