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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

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100 million plus punitive damages for acting with malice.
 
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Lightbringer said:
King Jordan Radio - Michael Jacobshagen ,MJ's Freind ,Author Will You be my Freind

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/kingjo...hagen-mjs-freind-author-will-you-be-my-freind

As a child Michael Jacobshagen spent time on the move with Michael Jackson. He met Michael Jackson the first time 1995 in Paris, the beginning of a friendship that stretched over years. They visited the famous Circus Krone in Munich, stayed 1998 two weeks in that city, went shopping and spent private time together in hotel suites and elsewhere. When Michael Jackson roamed Europe on his legendary 1997 History Tour, he invited the 13 year old Michael Jacobshagen time and again to various cities his concerts took place in. Now, 16 years later, Michael Jacobshagen lets other fans participate and talks for the first time in detail about his marvelous experiences with Michael Jackson in a profoundly open and personal manner. Among the stories: how they became friends in Munich, played hide and seek, threw water balloons to the fans outside and went on shopping tours.
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even the fans contradict themselves, on the one hand they say that he met Michael for the first time in 1998, and on the other side they say that " As a child Michael Jacobshagen spent time on the move with Michael Jackson. He met Michael Jackson the first time 1995 in Paris ".
 
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Fans should stop making stories that contradict each other.
 
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Justthefacts said:
When you read the lawsuit HBO is so in the wrong. Why are they choosing to die on the hill of Wade Roberson? It is bad now it is bad now it will be worse when it airs. But if the estate gets public arbitration hearing its gonna get out. These same characters will be on the stand. And HBO is gonna be paying 100 of millions of dollars.
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Thats the point. The suit has now been socially recognised and will be at the back of peoples minds when/after viewing. No one can now come away stating he was guilty while this is going on. The suit tackles every aspect of credibility of the 3 major characters involved. If people want to blindly ignore the information contained in this suit, those people are not fit for purpose on this planet. Simple.

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What????
Michael Jocobshagen said in that King Jordan Interview from 2013 that HE NEVER WAS IN NEVERLAND!!!
The TV Station must really listen to this interview and to Akte 2017 Exposing part!!!
Someone should also contact Jobshagens doctors cause I think he is a notrious Liar or has some other serious problems.
 
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Michael Jocobshagen is a lying prat
 
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Hope all of with twitter are sending relevent info about him and bagnell etc.
 
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I'm feeling pretty stressed right now. I'm glad as I said before that the estate is going after HBO. I just pray not a lot of people watch this trash. I can't imagine watching four hrs over two nights of filth unless I had a dirty mind. It's a bit like people who watch hrs and hrs of serial killers or murder docs. Some folks have the taste for the creepy and ghoulish. There seems to be vacuum in society to bash certain kinds of innocent people like MJ. People that are seen as not the norm. I think it speaks to a lot of people's prejudices unfortunately. As the estate said being eccentric isn't a crime. Although some people seem to think it is. So sad and telling threat we haven't moved on. We have Donald Trump in the white house so that shows what kind of world we are living in. Scary times but I pray that the truth will prevail.
 
KOPV;4242362 said:
We have to keep the whole HBO thing in perspective, to think they would EVER not air that documentary is only fooling oneself. They genuinly think they have a documentary that is going to be the biggest thing to hit the #metoo generation. Anyone that is ignorant enough of the facts that see it would think the same thing.

If you 100% felt like you had the 'smoking gun' on the biggest celeb in the world and you believed it was real.. Would you stop at anything to get that public? Especially if you owned a company like HBO!?

no.. none of us would let anyone stop us..


Thankfully, they are greatly mistaken, when the smoke settles - they'll be left standing there needing to answer the hard questions. Since they did not do the appropriate research, they will be left frozen!
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I agree but I still find it hard to understand how they can air it without first doing proper reasearch since ther is so much avalible. I guess it depends on the type of personality. Also I think many people beleive it because of Sneddon. Many think there wouldn’t have been a trial if it wasn’t belivable but the 2005 case was like a joke and Sneddon had a history of malisious prosecution and they don’t know that.
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
Hope all of with twitter are sending relevent info about him and bagnell etc.
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Why are people ONLY focused on twitter?

The Facebook war is equally if not more important. On facebook theres no text limit either, so its easier to discuss there at length with more details.
 
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They had no intrest on doing any reasearch because the sole purpose was to do a hatchet job. This isnt accidential negligence its planned malicious intent.
 
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Do you know who manages the MJ Facebook page? The page is completely disconnected from reality, even the complaint of the Estate is not shared so that the subscribers of the page know what it is.
 
elusive moonwalker;4242500 said:
They had no intrest on doing any reasearch because the sole purpose was to do a hatchet job. This isnt accidential negligence its planned malicious intent.
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Planned malisious intent from Dan Reed definetely. I don´t think he beleives his own story- Not sure abut HBOs intentions. According to Roger Friedman he has known Richard Plepler a long time.

“I don’t know why HBO has gotten involved with “Leaving Neverland,” which I haven’t seen and can’t make a judgement about yet. I’ve known Richard Plepler a long time; he’s one of the good guys. But this is hardly the look HBO usually engages. This whole episode just rings with extreme negativity at a time when cable is fighting for its life vs. streaming and other innovations.”

https://www.showbiz411.com/2019/02/...f-contract-from-1992-non-disparagement-clause
 
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Lightbringer said:
Why are people ONLY focused on twitter?

The Facebook war is equally if not more important. On facebook theres no text limit either, so its easier to discuss there at length with more details.
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Yean . Some fans say we need to create a group there because there are viscious attacks and we need a group to counter-efficiently like we do on Twitter .
 
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Lightbringer said:
Give me a break.

"Oh they say his a musical genious, let him rest in peace"

I HAVE NEVER EVER mentioned Michaels musical talent when discussing sexual abuse allegations. They want to portray that we as fans want Michael to be left alone/rest in peace even though he was an alleged pedo, just because he was genious.

I am sick of that crap, its not true and yet they spin that shit. The whole show is disgusting. Taj should have been on it, not Jermaine.
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Ignorant, belittling and disrespectful.
 
myosotis;4242455 said:
They're not suing (in the usual sense). They've gone to arbitration (as per the contract terms). I think they are supposed to agree on a judge (arbitrator) in about 30 days.
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Hmmm. That's not too long. Hopefully it's gonna be public, those facts by the estate need to be completely out there, fully covered by the media for the ones that still watch news and those programs in general.

ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona;4242457 said:
Its has to do with the fact that the HBO channel has over 1.3 million subscribers. This is a main reson I think.
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Yeah good point. Tons of people have HBO and watch that. I didn't go there, don't want to give my click to them but the dislikes are still in the majority right?

myosotis;4242461 said:
I hope the Australian TV interviewers ask these various maids and security guards if they ever saw Jacobshagen at Neverland......
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Wait, these guards and maids are in MJ's favor there then? Because if not they sure as hell aren't gonna tell the truth. If they are all there to shit on MJ even more, then sigh. Interviewer should simply ask where they were during the trial.

ILoveHIStory;4242463 said:
READ AND ADD THE COMMENTS

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Never before seen evidence, right.. again where were they when this actually mattered? But now miraculously they have new evidence to present. It sounds like it isn't just some shit said by one of them but actually something physical. The lengths these people go to. Guess we'll find out what tomorrow.

It can easily manage to produce a goddamn headache for one.

Soundmind;4242480 said:
Well, no one is disputing that and the estate does no longer wants them to stop it. The damages have already been done. They just be prepared to pay the damages to the estates. That's it. The estate will do their own rebuttal I believe but at this stage they are entitled to huge amounts in damages and they will recover them. HBO has acted with malice co-producing a doc that refused to present anything to do with the other side of the story, omitting the simple fact that they have actually sued the estate and failed in an attempt by HBO to present them as more credible than they actually are and to hide what many in the public would have considered a motive behind their allegations. There is a mountain of evidence HBO has acted with malice. The punitive damages will be insane.
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Well good, serves them right. Others have said it could be about that they need viewers and this is perfect for that. However, Game of Thrones is soon and that will have tons of people watching. So I don't think that's necessarily the reason. You do have to wonder why they are so dead set, hell bent on airing this.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens next but I really hope these three liars get exposed too. Sure it's great if HBO has to pay lots and lots of money to the estate but it would be so much better for this to be done publicly and so that there's just no way the media can ignore it.
 
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My friend tild me wade said he doesnt wanna tarnish mjs name, is that correct?
 
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8701girl said:
My friend tild me wade said he doesnt wanna tarnish mjs name, is that correct?
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Well if he actually said that it just shows that he's even more insane than we initially thought he was, because he's doing exactly that and worse. Or I should say he's trying. His name hasn't been ruined yet, for tons of people.
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Well if he actually said that it just shows that he's even more insane than we initially thought he was, because he's doing exactly that and worse. Or I should say he's trying. His name hasn't been ruined yet, for tons of people.
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well thats what my friend told me so whats the go?
 
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1nn5 said:
Do you know who manages the MJ Facebook page? The page is completely disconnected from reality, even the complaint of the Estate is not shared so that the subscribers of the page know what it is.
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Good point. Agree.
Based on my own friends and connections in the 30-40 age bracket - the majority of them are not on Twitter but are on Facebook. Those fans may not have a clue about the other side of all this, the estates claim etc.
 
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8701girl said:
well thats what my friend told me so whats the go?
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Sounds to me like he wants people to believe he doesn't hate MJ despite everything that "happened", I recall reading that he said hate gets you nowhere, sigh. So while that his "story" is not meant to destroy his name, he still wants his "story" to be out there. He needs to share his "pain". And remember what Dan Reed said, it's not about MJ. *chuckle*.
 
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dan reed said not bout mj rightttttttttt....................................
 
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8701girl said:
well thats what my friend told me so whats the go?
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Its called trying to make your claims sound more legit. Oh i dont hate him i just want the truth to come out yada yada. Same as tht journo perriti who did another hatchet docu. Had the cheek to call himself a fan inorder to try and make his claims seem more credible. Same as lucas on twitter. Trying to make themselves seem more legit
 
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Yeah good point. Why are they not using the f.b page to put out info. It has 70 plus mill ppl getting its posts. who in the mainstream media has reported on the lawsuit? Very few. Maybe we should point out the obvious to them
 
Woah I had no idea the Facebook page had that many followers- you’re right - 72 million.
Most of those followers will have seen the channel 4 adverts etc but will have no idea about the estates law suit or more importantly wade and james civil suit. How can we make a suggestion that this pages huge reach be utilised
 
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MJJ2theMAX said:
Good point. Agree.
Based on my own friends and connections in the 30-40 age bracket - the majority of them are not on Twitter but are on Facebook. Those fans may not have a clue about the other side of all this, the estates claim etc.
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A Facebook group of fans should be urgently created to counter the haters there . All the network spaces should be flooded with fans posting facts , we shouldnt let a place without responding .
 
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I keep asking how the fans can make suggestions to the MJOnline like try to get HBO suspend the airing and put the lawsuit on the facebook page .
 
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It's truly unbelievable that the MJ FB page did no mention of suing HBO at all. All they do is post things about which presidents he met, children he helped with illness and so on. To my surprise there are even sad haters there who do diss him there. Come on whoever is behind that page, do your job!

It won't be news for the actual active and hardcore fans but there are also tons of general listeners, not necessarily yet ready to call themself a fan and they don't know about the estate suijng HBO.

Oh and it's incredibly telling and sad, so so sad that this news is barely covered by the media.

**** THE MEDIA!
 
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MJ was a master manipulator that his victims Wade and Jimmy till now do not hate him nor do they want to mute him. And people wonder why they have lied so much in his interest! That's the agenda being pushed plus they r trying hard to convince themselves that this is not about MJ he is dead he cannot be hurt, they only want the money. Evan said the same thing that he did not want to send me to jail if only mj was not cheap and gave him what he wanted. These guys are going to rot in hell for fully knowing the effect of what they have done and trying to justify to themselves that this is not about MJ. They keep saying this would help children who were abused. So there is a positive side to what we r doing so we are good people at the end of the day. Sick and twisted. God is watching. No way this level of evilness will go unpunished.
 
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