aazzaabb;4112265 said:
I wasn't really aware there was a fixation about not releasing a 1993 show. Is there? Personally I feel he looks a little bloated and tired on the South American leg and the Moscow concert was a disaster due to the sub zero temperatures, however Bangkok and Singapore? Not sure. Watching snippets, clips etc, from memory Japan looks like it could be good, Tenerife looks like it could be interesting. As I say, for me it's just the South American third tier of the tour where everything seems to (pardon the pun) go south. He looks tired and bloated, he doesn't always look geniunly happy and looks drained of energy at times, like throwing in the moonwalk at times during Jam seems like he's playing for crowd reaction because he's simply too tired to pop or be spontaneous.
It looks like there is one, here in this thread & after a certain point. Obviously, this is not the problem, & personally it does not matter to me
at all.
I am saying that fans that have a desire for a 1993 live release have the right to express freely their opinion without being afraid of receiving (from others who have an aversion for a possible 1993 release) negative, rude & disrespectful comments only because of their choice. This kind of attitude (towards those fans who want a 1993 release) is immature, unhealthy, ridiculous & thus unacceptable.
The Moscow concert was plagued also by severe rain. In fact, the wet stage was the tip of the iceberg of all the problems there because, from a technical angle, that concert seemed to be one of the worst ‘Dangerous’ shows (remember also here what I said about the problems that were brought on by rain during the 1992 shows). I cannot tell for sure about the Japan or Tenerife shows that you mentioned.
I agree that the South American leg took a toll on MJ & I also agree that the South American shows are not impeccable (but you should not forget also that many of the 1992 shows are not impeccable, too). As a matter of fact, all the ‘Dangerous’ concerts are probably not impeccable. That’s why, the editing & mixing process is of high importance & value. For example, they could re-edit & replace, if necessary, some very problematic shots of a 1993 concert with shots from other 1993 concerts (in a similar way they did with the Bucharest concert, HBO version).
Also, I am not referring necessarily to his last Mexican show (although it could be a nice, official release). I mentioned that specific show as an example (because it suddenly gained great attention among fans due to rumors regarding its possible release). In fact, I am referring to
any 1993 concert that has the best visual & audio potential for a possible official release.
As I said, I can understand that you have no problem with technical difficulties provided that MJ is happy & energetic on stage. But what distracts is the technical problems & not how he was feeling during his shows. I am of the opinion that a possible release has to be totally devoid of technical problems, even if this concert comes entirely from 1993.
aazzaabb;4112265 said:
So what your actually saying there is, as well as Michael having to deal with sexual molestation accusations and being high and bloated, and missing vocal and dancing cues, breaking down in tears, several delays (which to be fair can be edited out and isn't a problem) there's also the possibility of technical difficulties?? You originally brought up technical diffuclties as a way of suggesting the 92 shows could all potentially, or mostly have problems. I sort of agreed with you saying the first 6, but now your saying, "no, reappearing in different forms & times". As I've said before, I have no problem with technical deficulties as long as MJ looks, comes across, and is happy, energetic, fully engaged, and wants to actually be there, and hasn't moments/hours beforehand had his home raided and been accused of molesting children. I want to watch a concert where MJ is at his absolute best and getting the same excitement back from the crowd as he's giving him. During Mexico the audience (and their a brilliant supportive audience) are willing him across the finishing line.
To be more specific, I originally meant that technical difficulties are greater at the early stages of a tour (that’s why later I said that they keep reappearing in different forms & times, but probably to a lesser degree).
aazzaabb;4112265 said:
Yes and No: Fans will see an unwavering support, anyone with any compassion and empathy in their hearts will see a man who shouldn't be on that stage to begin with, All will see one of the lowest points of his life and feel the tangible meaning of the phrase "nothing stops the big machine" i.e. worked to death for making other people money.
You should take into account that MJ was very familiar with the adage ‘nothing stops the big machine’ & felt its tangible, bitter meaning from a very young age.
Here is an example:
“If you’re under pressure, play off that pressure and use it to advantage, and make whatever you‘re doing better. Performers owe it to people to be strong and fair.” (Michael Jackson, Moonwalk)
But at the same time being on stage was cathartic for him. So, during 1993, although he was at one of his lowest points of his life, no one can claim that the interaction with his fans (in the 1993 concerts) was not beneficial to him.
aazzaabb;4112265 said:
It's not something I was directing at you specifically and apollogies if it came across as such. Being more specific what I mean is 'it's an attitude thats applied by a certain type of fan who craves anything MJ so much that their selfishness and desires to fullfil their own specific needs overrides any type of emphatic feelings or compassion. I would also include Sony/estate in that equation. There is no longer a moral compass or understanding of the person as human. It's inhumane. Hey the Romans had The Colosseum, the Spanish still have bullfights and the running of the bulls. It's part of the human condition.
Obviously, I cannot speak for any fan, especially for those who their selfishness and desires to fulfil their own specific needs overrides any type of emphatic feelings or compassion.
Metaphorically speaking, all I can say is that the showbiz industry was always (& will continue to be) a Coliseum field, or a Spanish arena full of bulls, especially when you are the biggest name for many years. MJ was (from the very start) fully aware of the possible ramifications of being in such an insatiable field.
aazzaabb;4112265 said:
Who am I to suggest otherwise? Personally, for me, I draw the line at the Mexico 93 show. I'm actually going to watch the tower version again in the coming days to make certain I'm not living in some sort parallel universe to the fans that think this concert is incredible and would love to see it released and in theatres. The man has had his home raided, he's been accused of molestation, due to this, as well as the possibility that he's absolutely burnt out from jet lag, insomnia, exhaustion, he begins to rely on strong pain medication (and were all aware we're not talking about a few Disprin pills) and that he's tired and emotional on stage, taking breaks to (in all probability) top-up. At times he's going through the motions and is stagnant, other times he's lost, other times he's performing through tears, other times he's euphoric and smiling, but all of it, in my mind is sad.
I love the 92 shows, I'm pretty sure there's a few 93 shows pre-South America that I would love (there are moments and performances from South America that I love such as Dangerous and WYBT from Buenos Areis) , I'm uncomfortable about the 30th Anniversary shows, and I adore anything Destiny, Triumph, Victory and Bad.
Mexico 93 also lacks a decent setlist such as Beat it, WDAN, Bad and TWYMMF. And if memory serves the stage dosent elevate. So for me it's one of the worst shows to release for every single reason I can imagine. This is not the show (wether it's HD or not) that I would be racing to put up on the big screen to say to my family, friends, music fans that "this is what MJ is all about!" It is not in my opinion (for whatever it's worth) representative of great, classic, magical MJ.
But hey, thats just me.
Anyways, this release isn't something thats actually going to happen.
In a similar way, someone probably cannot enjoy any 1992 show, knowing all those forthcoming problems that MJ was about to encounter in the subsequent months (for example, raided house, accusations, insomnia, exhaustion, dependency on painkillers).
In other words,
different concerts are (emotionally) perceived in various & totally different ways by the fans.
Finally, you should not forget that the majority of the 1992 concerts lack the live performances of ‘The Way You Make Me Feel’ & ‘Bad’. Regarding the lack of ‘Beat It’ someone could mention that this particular absence is easily offset by the live performance of the song ‘Dangerous’.
