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Debunking Murray's Police Interview

Will diprivan be in the hair samples? or might there be an issue cause of how quickly it clears the system
 
It was reported in aug 09 they went to get hair samples
 
Autumn II said:
Thank you, Milka. How is it possible that a cardiologist does not know this, when I'd expect that a large percentage of the general public DOES know this?
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1. Someone here claimed that it didn't make sense that Murray, who's allegedly right-handed, was performing CPR with his left hand. That's incorrect according to the interview/his transcript. He explained that it was his LEFT hand he placed under MJ's back and used his RIGHT hand to perform the compressions with. I'm surely not defending him at all, I don't believe for a minute that he wouldn't have been able to very quickly get MJ onto the floor to perform proper CPR there but it is not entirely "wrong" to perform CPR as he did in SOME situations (though MJ's situation was not one of them); like say a patient/victim cannot be moved to a hard flat surface (say the accident scene doesn't allow for the patient to be moved, or there is a known neck injury).

2. CPR guidelines in 2009 still indicated that a person performing CPR would perform both compressions and rescue breathing. I don't know why the Fox News article states the new guidelines were in effect in 2008 but that is incorrect. Due to my work in health care, I can personally attest to this fact. I am required to recertify my CPR each year and I know the guidelines weren't different in 2008.

Look at this link from 2010 from Laerdal (they are the ones who make the Resuscitation Dolls, "Annie", for people to practice CPR on):

http://www.laerdal.com/ca/News/47889010/The-new-CPR-Guidelines-have-launched

Even the 2nd paramedic (Blount?) indicated that CPR guidelines in 2009 were not the same as they are now.

As I've said here many times before, people should not be surprised that a doctor/cardiologist wouldn't know much about CPR. Yes, they should, but I'd venture to guess that most do not as doctors are not the ones in a 'code' situation who will be performing CPR - ever. Just as Murray claimed he'd never done CPR or mouth to mouth respirations before, I am not surprised. In any code situation I've been in over the course of my career, it has truly never been the doctor who's performed CPR, it's always been a nurse or other member of the health care team. It is the doctor's responsibility in a 'code' situation to run the code, to direct the other health care staff present, to interpret the cardiac monitor readings and direct the nurses what meds to give accordingly, to order STAT lab work, to consult with other doctor specialists (eg: page a cardiologist or surgeon to attend), to perform procedures like insert central line, to assist with insertion of ET tube if nurse or resp. therapist is unable to get it, etc etc. The doctor doesn't perform 'hands on' tasks in a code except tasks that only a doctor can perform (of which CPR is not one of them) and direct all the care that is provided to the patient. Based on this, I personally believe that MJ should have had a NURSE present to monitor him at all times when Murray was administering him meds. If a nurse had been monitoring him (with Murray still present onsite) I think MJ would still be alive today.

Of course MJ should have NEVER been receiving Propofol or any of those IV drugs in a home-setting period, without the proper monitoring equipment (heart monitor, automatic blood pressure monitor, continuous pulse oximeter, etc).

I found it laughable that Murray claimed that after he'd been gone for '2 minutes' to 'relieve himself', he returned and saw that MJ wasn't breathing and that his pulse was 122. That makes no sense because the type of oximeter that was being used does not provide continuous readings; it only provides manual readings....meaning, it will only give a reading if the person monitoring presses the button on the oximeter at that moment to get a reading; it doesn't just continuously monitor the readings, so that was another lie of Murray.
 
Does anyone know where i can listen to Murrays interview? I didnt get to watch the trial friday.
 
Why would his pulse be 122 if it was faint.thats high. and we know he only put the pulse oxy on after alberto arrived
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Why would his pulse be 122 if it was faint.thats high. and we know he only put the pulse oxy on after alberto arrived
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Well if the meds MJ caused his blood pressure to tank, the heart will try to compensate by beating faster....so that COULD account for a pulse of 122; HOWEVER, we all know that Murray pulled that pulse rate out of his sphincter. And remember, he admitted to starting CPR (which include chest compressions) when he claimed MJ's pulse was weak. Perhaps he should have reviewed the lesson on "when to start CPR" prior to giving his interview. And again, he claims he walked into the room, saw MJ not breathing and saw his pulse according to oximeter @ 122. There is no way he would have seen anything on the oximeter because it was a low-rate, basic manual model. I think we should nickname Murray "Pinocchio", seriously.
 
lemon u seem very informed...my guess is you are a nurse or some equivilent.. pardon my ignorance, i haven't visited this site for a long time due to marriage break up and no computer for over a year, so if you have addressed this previously i apologise. i enjoy reading your posts and would love some background on where your information comes from.
 
Cheers lemon. is if for defo the model murray had didnt show the heart rate. does anyone remember from the testimony of that guy who sells them
 
Murray mentions that Michael had a serious hip problem, that his right hip would jump out of its place if he bent 90 degrees or more. Can it be confirmed or denied from Michael's autopsy?
 
During the opening statements, the defense has claimed that Michael died so fast that he didn't even have time to close his eyes. Now, in Murray's police interview, he says that, shortly after administering the Propofol, Michael fell asleep. That means that the eyes were closed, right?! Murray said that he came back to find him not breathing, but doesn't say anything about his eyes being opened at that time...
 
Did it state somewhere that murray performed CPR with his left hand, or did I dream it? It seems odd to me to stand at the left hand side of the bed and do chest compressions with your left whilst your right hand is underneath the patient and you are performing mouth to mouth. I know chest compressions stop for mouth to mouth but it's like you are crossing your arms, it doesn't seem the natural way around to me.
 
yes they could test for propofol in the hair, there were three documented cases . One nurse male who abused propofol for long period then became addicted to it , injecting a 100mg dose up to 15 times a day. A different pattern of abuse was a sober alcoholic who abused propofol for nine days , taking three 50mg injections a day.




so yes if they wanted to test for it they could have done so. Did they bother ? we don't really know. They stated in the autopsy report they recovered smples of hair 1.5 inchs from three areas in MJ's head. but as Autumn said no one ever mentioned the hair samples after that.
 
Pace said:
The only mentioning of hair samples being taken separately stems from LaToya in her book, fairly graphic description. (this not being any judgement of truth of said account- just saying that this is where hair sample have been mentioned)
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It's also written in the autopsy report. The very last page I believe that they went and took hair samples for what they called "potential toxicology testing". Their description is pretty much the same as Latoya's. They did not disclose the results - if any done .
 
ivy said:
It's also written in the autopsy report. The very last page I believe that they went and took hair samples for what they called "potential toxicology testing". Their description is pretty much the same as Latoya's. They did not disclose the results - if any done .
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Right. Hair sample results have never been disclosed, and it's not even known if they were ever DONE.

I don't recall any problems with "Michael's hip" being mentioned in the AR.

Murray's stores are all over-the-place, but. . . isn't it unwise to do CPR on a person whose heart IS beating? I.e. the "he had a pulse" story? It's one or the other, isn't it? His heart was beating and CPR was not indicated, or his heart was NOT beating and CPR was indicated? Murray's police statement said he "started CPR immediately." So, which IS it?
 
I'm just listening to the recordings now and I noticed that when he was talking about trying to do cpr and he called Michael Amir he said... "I returned to his body..." His body? Uh wouldn't you say I returned to Mr. Jackson, I returned to him, or returned to Michael? You don't refer to someone with the word "body" while they are still alive, that is something you say once someone is gone.
 
Murray says no-one in house apart from the children which meant it was hard for him to call for help in an emergency. But there was the chef, the nanny and housekeepers.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Cheers lemon. is if for defo the model murray had didnt show the heart rate. does anyone remember from the testimony of that guy who sells them
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I think it was on day 4 of the trial, the guy from the company that sold this particular oximeter device explained that this model that Murray used even has a WARNING in the user manual that that particular model (the cheapest) shouldn't be used on patients who require continuing monitoring of their oxygen saturation. I recall that witness going over 3 different models his company sold, this one was about $250 retail......and the next one was about $750 and the best one was about $1200. He did confirm on the stand that this wasn't the one a person would use for continuous monitoring. I'm pretty sure it was day 4 of the trial? so maybe you can go back to that thread and read more there.

ETA: I checked, it was on Day 4 that Bob Johnson was testified about the pulse oximeter; go to page 2 of that date where you can read his testimony on the type of model that Murray used.

But no, the model that murray used DID show the heart rate.....it showed both the oxygen saturation level and the heart rate (so the latter isn't in question at all)....it's just that on the model he was using, the base model, it would not have been possible for him to just walk into the room and see an accurate heart rate reading (of allegedly 122) .....as it didn't monitor the heart rate continuously, only manually, when the user would press the button to then get an instantaneous reading.

Thanks, "Goodbye Michael." Yes, I have worked in health care for many, many years. thank you for your kind compliment.
 
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Noergaard said:
Does anyone know where i can listen to Murrays interview? I didnt get to watch the trial friday.
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Here's the transcript:
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/1007_conrad_murray_transcript.pdf


Lilishor said:
During the opening statements, the defense has claimed that Michael died so fast that he didn't even have time to close his eyes. Now, in Murray's police interview, he says that, shortly after administering the Propofol, Michael fell asleep. That means that the eyes were closed, right?! Murray said that he came back to find him not breathing, but doesn't say anything about his eyes being opened at that time...
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Their defense is that CM administered a "safe" amount of Propofol, left and found Michael with his eyes open, not breathing. That's why AR stated that self injection was impossible.
 
jilliebean said:
I'm just listening to the recordings now and I noticed that when he was talking about trying to do cpr and he called Michael Amir he said... "I returned to his body..." His body? Uh wouldn't you say I returned to Mr. Jackson, I returned to him, or returned to Michael? You don't refer to someone with the word "body" while they are still alive, that is something you say once someone is gone.
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Yup, I caught that too, the moment I heard it on the tape. He was DEAD, and Murray totally knew it. How long had he been gone? Murray knows, but isn't saying.
 
Conrad's contradictions
Posted: 08:07 PM ET


From In Session correspondent Beth Karas

A long list of contradictions have emerged between what Dr. Conrad Murray said in his police statement to the L.A.P.D. and other evidence presented at the trial. Here's a look at some of the more important inconsistencies.

What time did Murray find Jackson unresponsive?

In the timeline Murray gives police, he found Jackson not breathing around 11 am. Cell phone records and the testimony of his ex-girlfriend Sade Anding indicate the time was closer to noon.

What drugs did Murray administer to Jackson?

In the interview, Dr. Murray admits to giving Jackson diazepam, lorazepam, midazolam, propofol, and flumazenil. However, Dr. Murray told ER doctors Richelle Cooper and Thao Nguyen, that he gave Jackson lorazepam—no mention of propofol. He also said that diazepam and flomax were Jackson’s regular medications. Furthermore, Dr. Murray told the paramedics that he gave him lorazepam–no mention of propofol.


How long was Murray out of the room after giving Jackson propofol?

In the police interview, Murray explains how he gave 25 mg of propofol, watched Jackson, then left for 2 minutes to go to the bathroom. When he returned, he found Jackson not breathing. Murray’s cell phone records and testimony from people who spoke to him that morning indicate he was probably out of the room for at least 45 minutes while he made three calls between 11:18 am and noon, the last being to his ex-girlfriend, Sade Anding. It seems that while on the phone with Anding he discovered an unresponsive Jackson around noon, perhaps a few minutes before that.

Did Murray witness the cardiac arrest of Jackson?

Dr. Murray tells police that he was out of the bedroom for such a short period, that he witnessed Jackson going into cardiac arrest. However, the timeline from the cell phone records suggests otherwise as does the testimony of Paramedic Senneff who said that Jackson was cool to the touch and that it didn’t comport with what Dr. Murray had told him. Senneff testified that Murray told him, “It just happened right when I called you.”

Did Murray have a watch or not?

Many times in the interview Murray says he looked at his watch. Emergency room doctor Thao Nguyen said on the stand that Murray couldn’t give her the times he administered the lorazepam or when 911 was called because he didn’t have a concept of time and didn’t have a watch.

Whose idea was it to try the intra-aortic balloon pump?

During the police interview, Murray says it was the emergency room doctor’s idea to try to the balloon pump. However, Dr. Nguyen testified that her attendant, Dr. Cruz, spoke to Murray and that Murray asked them not to give up easily; to try to save Jackson’s life. She testified there was nothing left to do after their efforts to resuscitate in the ER, but the balloon pump. Therefore, to show good faith, they tried to balloon pump even though they believed it would be futile. Dr. Nguyen said, “We made an agreement with Dr. Murray that this would be the last procedure.”

Did Murray give Jackson an injection of propofol then a slow drip to keep him sedated?

Dr. Murray told the L.A.P.D. that he gave 25 mg of propofol which he pushed slowly over 3-5 minutes. He also told detectives that the drug is fast-acting and that he set up a slow drip to keep Jackson sedated. Murray is expected to argue at trial that he did not set up the drip that night. The testimony of security guard Alberto Alvarez and coroner investigator Elissa Fleak regarding a 100 ml bottle of propofol inside a slit saline bag suggests that there was, indeed, a drip set up the day Jackson died. The State could argue that the crude IV drip malfunctioned and the bottle spilled into Jackson.

Did Murray take all precautions available to him?

Dr. Murray Murray told police he took all precautions available to him: oxygen and a pulse oximeter. ER doctors Cooper and Nguyen testified about the resuscitative equipment needed whenever a patient is given propofol. In addition, to needing far more equipment than Murray had in Jackson’s bedroom, constant monitoring at the patient’s side is an absolute requirement. The evidence suggests Dr. Murray left Jackson’s side for more than 45 minutes. More evidence is expected in the State’s case about the standard of care when using propofol.

Did Murray pull the IV out of Jackson’s leg?

Dr. Murray says that in the process of moving Jackson to the floor, the IV dislodged from his leg. Paramedic Richard Senneff said that Murray pulled it out.

Did Murray do chest compressions all the way to the ambulance?

In the L.A.P.D interview Murray says he continued CPR, epinephrine, atropine, chest compressions all the way into the ambulance. However, Paramedic Senneff testified resuscitative efforts did, indeed, continue all the way into the ambulance but Murray was still in the bedroom. When Senneff went back to the bedroom to get his equipment, he found Murray with a “deer in the headlight look” with a trash bag in his hands.

Whose decision was it to do an autopsy?

Dr. Murray told detectives that he recommended an autopsy, but Dr. Cooper testified that Jackson was her patient; she had a 50-year-old man who died. She didn’t know the cause of death so it was a coroner’s case, which means she referred the case to the coroner not Dr. Murray.

Was Murray asked to sign the death certificate?

Murray says in the police interview that the question was posed: “Well, is there a doctor who’s going to sign the death certificate?” He told police that he responded: “I wouldn’t want to sign the death certificate when I don’t know the cause of his death.” However, Dr. Cooper testified that she did not have a conversation with Murray about the death certificate and that it was her decision to refer to coroner for autopsy.

Did Murray assemble the social worker team to deal with the children and other family members at UCLA Medical Center?

Dr. Murray tells the police that he asked for a social worker team be brought in, but Dr. Cooper said that it was not Murray’s idea; that the social worker team was assembled earlier as part of UCLA protocol.

Is it true that Jackson did not eat well?

Dr. Murray says in the interview that Jackson did not eat well or drink much, but personal chef, Kai Chase, testified, Jackson liked natural juices (carrot/orange and beet/apple) and organic foods. He ate granola and almond milk for breakfast. Chase also testified that healthy eating was important to Jackson and his children.

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/10/conrads-contradictions/
 
Thanks for the article from Beth Karas. At least there is one in the media who seems to be looking for such inconsistencies. It is amazing that anything Murray said in that interview is being taken on face value by some, especially with all the inconsistencies. There are just so many.
 
jilliebean said:
I'm just listening to the recordings now and I noticed that when he was talking about trying to do cpr and he called Michael Amir he said... "I returned to his body..." His body? Uh wouldn't you say I returned to Mr. Jackson, I returned to him, or returned to Michael? You don't refer to someone with the word "body" while they are still alive, that is something you say once someone is gone.
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Yea, I was thinking the same as you when I heard Murray say "I returned to his body".
Let's pray the jury members heard him say this; or at least read it in their transcripts. :angel:
 
ivy;3508646 said:
How long was Murray out of the room after giving Jackson propofol?

In the police interview, Murray explains how he gave 25 mg of propofol, watched Jackson, then left for 2 minutes to go to the bathroom. When he returned, he found Jackson not breathing. Murray’s cell phone records and testimony from people who spoke to him that morning indicate he was probably out of the room for at least 45 minutes while he made three calls between 11:18 am and noon, the last being to his ex-girlfriend, Sade Anding. It seems that while on the phone with Anding he discovered an unresponsive Jackson around noon, perhaps a few minutes before that.
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Murray made another little slip about that, on the tape he says when he found Michael not breathing he was still warm, so he assumed whatever happened had to be recent. If he'd only been out of the room for 2 minutes he wouldn't need to assume or even check anything like that, cause he would have known for sure.
 
walkingonthemoon said:
Murray made another little slip about that, on the tape he says when he found Michael not breathing he was still warm, so he assumed whatever happened had to be recent. If he'd only been out of the room for 2 minutes he wouldn't need to assume or even check anything like that, cause he would have known for sure.
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It really p*sses me off that Murray can't be forced to go on the stand and be confronted for all of his lies and inconsistencies; that he can't be confronted about the phone calls he was busy making/taking when he was letting MJ die. Blatant liars deserve to be confronted, IMO.
 
^^ 5th amendment constitutional rights. I suppose even murray is entitled!

Re Beth karras contradictions. It is nowhere in murray's interview that he discovered mj lifeless at 11am. The detectives never pinned murray down to the timing of this. All murray says is that the 25mg of propofol should last in system for 15 mins, and then he says he stays with mj monitoring him until he reaches a time where he feels he can leave to go to the bathroom. Nowhere does he say how long this period of monitoring lasts. So it is quite likely it lasts for an hour (the prop taking effect with the lorazapam), and he goes tothe bathroom just before 12, this could all be inferred from murray's interview (obviously just typing what murray's defence will say,not what i think happened).

Also Karras's contradition of being out of the room for 2 mins or 45mins. Just because murray was on teh phone, doesn't prove that he was out of the room. MJ didn't seem to mind noise, in fact he liked music playing and if he was in a drug-induced sleep someone speaking on the phone wouldn't affect him.

Actually re the music playing in mj's room which murray spoke about in the interview, i wonder if any of the people who spoke to murray that night could near music in the background as this might place murray in or out of the bedroom.
 
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