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Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him
count me in. i'll be more than happy to help
count me in. i'll be more than happy to help
What's sad is that alot of people who think that Michael is guilty are not bad peope at all. They are nice people who have just been mislead by the media.
exactly. a lot of people don't even know what these kids claimed happend.And those are the people whom we should we address with the facts! By the way, I feel a little lonely on the forum we set up for work. Where's everybody?
She claimed to receive "gifts" from Michael, so Michael could hang around Jordy.
If anything, I feel somewhat bad for Jordan Chandler. From what I've read from Jermaine's book, Jordan's father forced him to say all those things. I read somewhere that Michael forgave Jordan for the accusations and blamed his father for it all. God forgive me, but I did not care even remotely when I found out that Evan Chandler killed himself. It was guilt, sadness that, now that Michael was gone, he could never apologize.
Jordie and Evan met Mark at Evan's office at 8:30 AM. As it turned out, the x-rays showed that Jordie had no cavities, just the overretained baby tooth that was causing the permanent one underneath to come in crooked.
Evan cleaned his son's teeth while Mark set up his equipment, and when the boy was sedated Evan performed the thirty-second procedure. When Jordie was safely out of sedation, Mark packed up and left.
"That was great," Jordie said, fully awake. "I didn't feel a thing? Can we go eat now?"
"In a minute," Evan answered.
Jordie sat quietly in the chair while his father cleaned up around the operatory.
"Hey, Jordie," Evan said, trying to sound nonchalant. "Since this is our last day together, is there anything you want to tell me before we go?"
"Yeah," Jordie replied. (Evan prayed for a miracle.) "I'm thirsty."
"Uh, okay. You can get up and walk now. Go to the kitchen, there's some bottled water in the fridge."
Evan had waited all week for the right moment to talk to his son, but he was concerned that forcing him to speak before he was ready would drive him further away. The end result was that the right moment never came. Or that Evan had passed it up.
"I was standing there drinking, Oh, well, I guess that's it, he's not going to talk. But while he was out in the kitchen it hit me that I'd been taking the wrong approach. Here I was tiptoeing around him because Dr. Abrams has scared the hell out of me. But Jordie was about to go away with Michael for five months, so how much worse could it get! If he wasn't totally screwed up yet, going on tour was sure to finish the job. That realization changed my whole way of thinking. I could be as tough on him as I wanted. I had nothing to lose."
When Jordie came strolling back from the kitchen, Evan went on the attack. "Have a seat, and listen very carefully to what I'm about to say. Do you remember when you came over to the house I told you that if you lie to me I was going to destroy Michael?" Jordie nodded that he did. "Good. Keep that in mind, because I'm going to ask you a question. Do you care about Michael?"
"Yes," the boy answered.
'You could say you love him, right?"
"Yes."
"And you wouldn't want to hurt him?"
"No."
"Okay then, let me remind you of something. Remember I told you I bugged your bedroom?" Jordie nodded. "Well, I know everything you guys did, so you might as well admit it."
The boy remained silent, seemingly unimpressed by his father's strong arm approach. Sensing this, Evan quickly changed tack.
"Look, Jordie, lots of famous people are bisexual and nobody gives a shit. They're not embarrassed. It's sorta cool, in a way."
After ten minutes of meandering monologue Evan had elicited nothing from his son but a blank stare. Frustrated, he switched back to his original approach. "I'm going to give you one last chance to save Michael. If you lie to me, then I'm going to take him down in front of the whole world, and it'll be all your fault because you're the one person who could have saved him."
Nothing.
In his heart, Evan already knew the truth; he didn't need Jordie to confirm it. But he believed if his son could just hear himself say it, if he could just spurt it out quickly and painlessly like the tooth, it would release him from the prison in his mind. Without a plan, Evan began babbling away again, saying whatever came to mind in the hope of eventually hitting on something that would push a button in his son and free him.
"I know about the kissing and the jerking off, so you're not telling me anything I don't already know," Evan lied. "This isn't about me finding anything out. It's about lying. And you know what's going to happen if you lie. So I'm going to make it very easy for you. I'm going to ask you one question. All you have to do is say yes, or no. That's it. Lie and Michael goes down. Tell me die truth and you save him."
Jordie remained silent for what seemed to Evan a hopeless amount of time. Then, "Promise?"
"Have I ever lied to you?"
"No."
And I never will."
"You won't hurt Michael, right?"
"Right."
"And I don t want anyone to know. Promise me you won't ever tell anyone."
"I swear,no one."
"Okay. What's the question?"
"Did Michael touch your penis?"
Jordie hesitated. Then, almost inaudibly, he whispered "Yes."
Evan would press no further. He had heard all he needed to hear. He reached out and hugged his son, and Jordie hugged back, tight.
"We never talked about it again," Evan later told the L.A. district attorney. To Evan, the details didn't matter. "The prison walls had cracked and I was confident the rest would take care of itself."
bluetopez;3636996 said:Look at the part where Jordan allegelly says "And I don't want anyone to know. Promise me you won't ever tell anyone." It's almost as though he knows what his dad will ask him...now how is that? Jordan was never touched so how can he confess anything or figure what his dad might asked? Ray states this as if he were there and he wasn't. It reads so fake to me, all of it.
"I'll be there in a minute," Evan said, and as Jordie turned to leave, he added, "Hey, Jordie, are you and Michael doin' it?"
"That's disgusting!" Jordie reacted. "I'm not into that."
"Just kidding."
Evan explained it this way. "It was crude, but I was so anxious, I decided on the spur of the moment to say it because I figured it would elicit an unplanned response." Jordie's repulsion brought Evan great relief.”
"Jeez, Jord," Evan said, "Cody [Jordan’s little brother] doesn't even play with this stuff anymore. What are you doing with it?"
"What I saw in Jordie's room disturbed me not only because it was so inappropriate for his age and personality, but also because I instinctively knew that June had to know it was inappropriate, and was therefore condoning it. It was the first time I had ever doubted her motives concerning our son."
“Michael and Jordie had been off in their own little world all day, as if Evan didn't exist.”
„Monique [Evan's second wife] reiterated her opinion that Michael was taking up too much of Jordie's life. But this time she offered an additional observation. "Jordie doesn't even know you're in the room, Evan. Can't you see what's going on? They're in love!"
The minute the L word left Monique's mouth, Evan believed she was right. "It should have been a dead giveaway," Evan recalled weeks later, when Jordie came walking in the house that night wearing tight black pants, white socks, black loafers and a black fedora, and Michael came walking in right behind him wearing the same riling. Or when they ran off into the living room together after dinner and closed the door behind them, leaving me to work alone on the history paper. Or that Michael never once called Jordie by name, referring to him instead by affectionate nicknames like ‘Applehead’ and 'Doo Doo Head.’”
"Do you think it's physical?' Evan asked his wife.
“I dont know?" Monique answered. "It could just be infatuation. But whatever it is, it’s not good for Jordie."
bluetopez;3636996 said:Ray states this as if he were there and he wasn't. It reads so fake to me, all of it.
“I received a call from Jordan’s uncle. He wanted to do a book in which he would describe in detail the allegation of molestation against Michael Jackson. So I asked him how he proposed to do this given the fact that the Chandlers had actually signed a confidentiality agreement and taken $20mln. And he said that Jordan’s father had given him all the information he needed for the book and he believed he was outside the bounds of the Confidentiality agreement because he would be the author. At the time I had the impression that the Chandlers were brazen opportunists and I found the entire proposal by the uncle to be distasteful. They enter a Confidentiality agreement and before the ink is even dry they are shopping a deal that violates this agreement?”
Besides Jordan is 30 something now older then me. His dad is dead, he left his dad house at 25 and even sued him after a fight with him in 05. So he was no longer afraid of his dad if he ever was in the first place? So why is he still silent about the truth?
Oh no worries my friend, that I know. My post is directed at the Chandlers crazy lies.I'm not making this up, it's all in Ray Chandler's book!
I agree. There will always be people who don't believe that Michael was innocent. But Michael deserves to have his name cleared anyway. He suffered for the rest of his life over that mess, having to put up with drama all the time because of what people thought of him. And Jordan is the only person who can fix this situation. I think the worse that could happen is that he would have to give the settlement money back and pay back the money he's already spent. But it would still be a small price to pay considering that the 1993 episode destroyed Michael's life. And now Michael is gone.
Oh no worries my friend, that I know. My post is directed at the Chandlers crazy lies.
I know it was Evan who gave him all that info, his version of events. That's why the way it written annoys me as if Ray was in the room. When it's really Evan who is wrting this book acting like he is Ray pretty much. That's why alot of this book is pure ish. And alot reads so fake! In no way would MJ still be hanging around with Jordan let alone in Evan house visting him and sleepin over if he really was asked by Evan if he was having sex with his son. I found that hard to believe. The book is good still to show how crazy Evan is and it helps MJ for sure. But, many things are not believable in my opinion. What Evan writes here is his excuse so people can believe why he acused MJ in the first place. But, I don't believe it for a second that this is how it all happened!
This man was very sneaky doing everything he could to get his way. So why would he give MJ or anyone a sign of what he is about to do by given them hints by asking them straight out if their lovers? I doubt Evan wife gave him ideas either. The man was twisted all on his own. He wanted to do this himself and then found others that would help, like his attorney Rothman. I also never believed Jordan was given any drugs to get a confession either. In the book he admits Jordan was never gonna testify and they made sure that would never happen. And since that type of drug is inadmissible in court he had an excuse.
Oh no worries my friend, that I know. My post is directed at the Chandlers crazy lies.
I know it was Evan who gave him all that info, his version of events. That's why the way it written annoys me as if Ray was in the room. When it's really Evan who is wrting this book acting like he is Ray pretty much. That's why alot of this book is pure ish. And alot reads so fake! In no way would MJ still be hanging around with Jordan let alone in Evan house visting him and sleepin over if he really was asked by Evan if he was having sex with his son. I found that hard to believe. The book is good still to show how crazy Evan is and it helps MJ for sure. But, many things are not believable in my opinion. What Evan writes here is his excuse so people can believe why he acused MJ in the first place. But, I don't believe it for a second that this is how it all happened!
This man was very sneaky doing everything he could to get his way. So why would he give MJ or anyone a sign of what he is about to do by given them hints by asking them straight out if their lovers? I doubt Evan wife gave him ideas either. The man was twisted all on his own. He wanted to do this himself and then found others that would help, like his attorney Rothman. I also never believed Jordan was given any drugs to get a confession either. In the book he admits Jordan was never gonna testify and they made sure that would never happen. And since that type of drug is inadmissible in court he had an excuse.
"What I saw in Jordie's room disturbed me not only because it was so inappropriate for his age and personality, but also because I instinctively knew that June had to know it was inappropriate, and was therefore condoning it. It was the first time I had ever doubted her motives concerning our son."
Monique [Evan's second wife] reiterated her opinion that Michael was taking up too much of Jordie's life. But this time she offered an additional observation. "Jordie doesn't even know you're in the room, Evan. Can't you see what's going on? They're in love!"
The minute the L word left Monique's mouth, Evan believed she was right.
respect77 said:Perhaps before going public he could reach a deal with the Estate that they will not sue him.
Oh no worries my friend, that I know. My post is directed at the Chandlers crazy lies.
I know it was Evan who gave him all that info, his version of events. That's why the way it written annoys me as if Ray was in the room. When it's really Evan who is wrting this book acting like he is Ray pretty much. That's why alot of this book is pure ish. And alot reads so fake! In no way would MJ still be hanging around with Jordan let alone in Evan house visting him and sleepin over if he really was asked by Evan if he was having sex with his son. I found that hard to believe. The book is good still to show how crazy Evan is and it helps MJ for sure. But, many things are not believable in my opinion. What Evan writes here is his excuse so people can believe why he acused MJ in the first place. But, I don't believe it for a second that this is how it all happened!
This man was very sneaky doing everything he could to get his way. So why would he give MJ or anyone a sign of what he is about to do by given them hints by asking them straight out if their lovers? I doubt Evan wife gave him ideas either. The man was twisted all on his own. He wanted to do this himself and then found others that would help, like his attorney Rothman. I also never believed Jordan was given any drugs to get a confession either. In the book he admits Jordan was never gonna testify and they made sure that would never happen. And since that type of drug is inadmissible in court he had an excuse.
Thanks for posting those quotes from all that glitters respect. So eye opening.
What a completely bizarre use of the word 'inappropriate'! You would think he was meaning mj was buying jordan call of duty:black ops or whatever the 90s equivalent was, rather than kid's toys that may be a little young for a 12 yr old.
Agree with blue topaz, this doesn't sound plausible at all coming from his wife. How cd anyone jump to such an unusual conclusion unless it was something that was deeply lodged in their minds already. I definitely can see this scenario happening but with victor g pouring the poison into evan's ear.
jrsfan;3638571 said:I want to add that I don't believe the drug story for this main reason. I have heard that you can create false memories with drugs & believe it to be true, there is too much to his story in that interview - he worked on it.. I also feel there is much more than just the dad & his lawyer Rothman that made these false accusations happen.
„A newsman at KCBS-TV, in L.A., reported on May 3 of this year [1994] that Chandler had used the drug on his son, but the dentist claimed he did so only to pull his son's tooth and that while under the drug's influence, the boy came out with allegations.”
Harvey Levin eh? Always the same circle of people geez! I knew it was all B.S that S.A drug story. Interesting that Ray denied it yrs later. What interview was that from? They had an excuse for everything didn't they? Just like they did when they knew how Vitiligo changed and had an excuse for the photgraphs not matchin. But, they couldn't with the uncircumsized penis. In no way can they try to explain that away. Man what a stupid judge to allow the Civil trial ahead of the would be criminal trial that utimatley led to the out of court settlement so MJs rights can be protected when the criminal trial started and not have Sneedon know his defense. DAMN IT! U can just tell they were all buddy buddy tryin to screw MJ over.
bluetopez;3638950 said:Harvey Levin eh? Always the same circle of people geez! I knew it was all B.S that S.A drug story. Interesting that Ray denied it yrs later. What interview was that from? They had an excuse for everything didn't they? Just like they did when they knew how Vitiligo changed and had an excuse for the photgraphs not matchin. But, they couldn't with the uncircumsized penis. In no way can they try to explain that away. Man what a stupid judge to allow the Civil trial ahead of the would be criminal trial that utimatley led to the out of court settlement so MJs rights can be protected when the criminal trial started and not have Sneedon know his defense. DAMN IT! U can just tell they were all buddy buddy tryin to screw MJ over.
“Ironically, the person who best refutes Fischer's drug fairytale is none other than Anthony Pellicano. In December of 1993 Pellicano described Jordie's behavior at the August 4 Westwood Marquis meeting as follows:
The father began to read the psychiatrists letter, which cited the criminal statutes that applied to child abuse. "Jordie was looking down," [Pellicano said] "and he pops his head up and looks at Michael like, 'I didn't say that.'"
According to Pellicano, just two weeks after the alleged brainwashing Jordie wasn't brainwashed at all! He was acting embarrassed and guilty about the accusations his father had made.”
But, with the media protecting these fools many will never hear about this. *SIGH* People really have to give a u know what in order to find the truth about the allegations and let's face it most just rather believe what they hear and be lazy about it. It's so sad!