Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[Favoritetune]

possibly that or i be crying in the night so many tears

you're funny

I didn't make it interesting you are the one who payed attention to it.

So the line,

You'll be crying in the night

might have been originally,

I'll being crying in the night?

Maybe this is why the meaning in the song is confusing when one tries to break things down because some pronouns he went ahead and changed for the singer (Rebbie), and some just were kept unchanged. So it is difficult to know who the I's and You's, Yours', You're's and the Him, are all referring to.

FT, this song, Centipede, wasn't supposed to be this interesting to talk about...how did that happen? haha. Thanks for being willing to discuss it with me like this. You, too, 8701girl.

 

[Lisha]

Well to be perfectly serious, it is the first time in my life I did pay attention to it.

Now I think I can safely say I have officially and fully "experienced" the song, Centipede! (that's why I was asking if it had been a hit when it came out. I have no idea)



ps: it makes me kinda sad picturing MJ crying like that over some girl. I think I'm mad at her!!! She made him cry!!)

I be cryin so many tears

I wish I could have told him, "Michael, the Lord has collected all of your tears and has put them lovingly in a vial in heaven...on hold. They are not going unnoticed. He is crying with you. And one day, He will redeem those tears, because you Love Him so.

 

[Favoritetune]

well if their connection is as you ladies say then maybe they were both crying, people cry when they can't be with the one they love. its torture right?

 

[Lisha]

Sounds like you are saying the "spiritual connection" was already in place back in '84 and it was TwoWay. He could feel her and she could feel him and he could hear her and she could hear him even though they were "far apart."

Is that your take, FT? Way back in the early 80's they both consciously knew of each other and were reaching out to one another through their spirits?

 

[Ashtanga]

:shifty:

Thanks, Ash, for posting the date!

 

[Lisha]

Just looking at this picture here, and considering what we've been talking about. Hmm...

Here he is, looking all happy and vibrant (stuffing his face with popcorn like we all do in here) and yet, at this time in his life, he was there alone in his bedroom each night, there in the home in Encino, aching for this girl? and crying deep from his heart because she is not a part of his life?

If this was the case, can we not all agree on a big "awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww"?

This shot from Thriller above would have been taken in late 1983; December, I think...and that's real close to the Centipede's release in 1984 (based on Ash's info).

And amazingly enough, guess what song just came on the radio as I'm sitting here? (not Thriller, but Smokey's Just To See Her) haha. Listening to the words here it just seems to speak about some of what MJ could have been feeling. Here, I'll post it for ya all:

[youtube]RQz68KYQrp0[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQz68KYQrp0

(although this depicts a guy and a girl who were once together than split...that isn't what we have been describing for MJ as far as the LITD girl and him goes. We have talked about them having met but then before the relationship was to begin, she disappeared...which led to Who Is It and Can't Let Her Get Away, etc. Or...something like that)

IF SHE EVEN EXISTS!!!!

 

[Favoritetune]

well, during thriller mj said he was lonely, very lonely right? so it's possible. love smokey songs thanks for posting that

Sounds like you are saying the "spiritual connection" was already in place back in '84 and it was TwoWay. He could feel her and she could feel him and he could hear her and she could hear him even though they were "far apart."

Is that your take, FT? Way back in the early 80's they both consciously knew of each other and were reaching out to one another through their spirits?

 

[8701girl]

FT, this song, Centipede, wasn't supposed to be this interesting to talk about...how did that happen? haha. Thanks for being willing to discuss it with me like this. You, too, 8701girl.

Things like that tend to happen with this thread - discussing songs for no random reason lol

Also i got the interpretation of the song as saying that love was too suffocating for him

 

[Lisha]

well, during thriller mj said he was lonely, very lonely right? so it's possible. love smokey songs thanks for posting that

You're welcome, and so do you have examples of where we might have learned MJ was lonely then...did he mention that in an interview during that time period? Were there any song lyrics from any of the songs on Thriller where he talks about his being lonely? I know during the interview at his Beat It video taping, he mentions how he was just experiencing friendships for the first time and that was obviously very special and important to him then. You could tell by the way he says it, don't you think? You guys know of the interview I am talking about?

We had just talked in here about how he might have not told anyone about his "secret love" because he didnt want that info to get out there, but it's interesting that in the interview I am referring to, he also tells how he and Diana Ross can share all their deepest secrets with each other. Do you think that means she could have known about his loneliness and about this girl he wished could be his girlfriend? Diana seems to have been someone who was "safe" for him to talk to.

Things like that tend to happen with this thread - discussing songs for no random reason lol

True!

Also i got the interpretation of the song as saying that love was too suffocating for him

Now there is another way to look at. That sounds like a negative thing, though, doesn't it? Was it getting to the point where someone was needing a little breather from love? Is that kinda what you mean? Do you think that could be the message of the song? He was being suffocated by it and he needed to remove himself from all that love making for awhile. haha. (love making can be taken a couple ways, of course, not just the obvious...some guys can say "let me make love to you" and mean, let me start wooing you or pursuing you, and show you true romance, baby).

 

[MJzPrincess1982]

Well to be perfectly serious, it is the first time in my life I did pay attention to it.

Now I think I can safely say I have officially and fully "experienced" the song, Centipede! (that's why I was asking if it had been a hit when it came out. I have no idea)



ps: it makes me kinda sad picturing MJ crying like that over some girl. I think I'm mad at her!!! She made him cry!!)

I be cryin so many tears

I wish I could have told him, "Michael, the Lord has collected all of your tears and has put them lovingly in a vial in heaven...on hold. They are not going unnoticed. He is crying with you. And one day, He will redeem those tears, because you Love Him so.

She has made him cry and be lonely a ton..she was stubborn, as was he. many many of his songs state that. a few things he wrote in DANCING THE DREAM were written about her.

 

[8701girl]

True!
Now there is another way to look at. That sounds like a negative thing, though, doesn't it? Was it getting to the point where someone was needing a little breather from love?).

Yes thats what i meant cuz like sometimes getting too much love can be a hard thing to deal with for some people. That person may be thinking to them self "this is too much i cant think for myself!" its almost as if you are not yourself and u dont know anything else

 

[MJzPrincess1982]

Sounds like you are saying the "spiritual connection" was already in place back in '84 and it was TwoWay. He could feel her and she could feel him and he could hear her and she could hear him even though they were "far apart."

Is that your take, FT? Way back in the early 80's they both consciously knew of each other and were reaching out to one another through their spirits?

Yes yes yes!! You got it Good job lol you understand..many many close couples feel this way about each other so it is common among close couples who have a good connection

 

[MJzPrincess1982]

Anyone listen real closely to the lyrics "Much too soon"? There is a lot to learn from, in that song, in my opinion.,

 

[Lisha]

Yes yes yes!! You got it Good job lol you understand..many many close couples feel this way about each other so it is common among close couples who have a good connection

Don't give me too much credit for that, for this is just me paying attention to what others have brought up in here before. It just seemed like that was what FT might be saying as well so I asked him to confirm if he was. I was mainly wondering if he thought both of them were attuned and not just MJ, because at one point we have discussed that only MJ knew and not her. I think one example was MP discussing the possibility of MJ experiencing her in dreams (maybe even dreams they shared), or maybe some form of spiritual visitation, but the girl woke up not remembering or didn't sense him necessarily when this was going on. I think, MP, you brought up something about MJ's unique situation, because of his celebrity, that God understood his difficulties in connecting with her in more convensional ways so God maybe gave Michael this special kind of gift...to feel and sense her, etc.

Did I remember that right, MP?

So it's Two Way vs. One Way.

And I was wondering which FT was leaning towards. Or... One Way originally but eventually Two Way. And then the question is, when did the Two Way begin for them? Before Thriller, after Thriller, after Bad, after Dangerous, a year before his death? Was YANA a good indication it was going on then? Or could that song still just be referring to a One Way spiritual connection? What do the songs/lyrics say? And can we trust them in this area?

Would you mind MJzprincess sharing your thoughts about Much Too Soon with us, and then we can see if it stimulates more ideas from us as well?

8701girl, that is a deep observation. Good for you! It can be very true with some people.

 

[MJzPrincess1982]

MP and others were just speaking what was already told in his music

It's a heartfelt story.. it even kind of sounds like the jacksons sing it a bit in their victory album...I believe it's that album

 

[Lisha]

^ Can you remember some examples where it was told in his music?

 

[MysteriousPhoenix]

[SUP]Wow! A lot of talk going on about some yucky spider! lol! I actually hate those things! But ... I do like the song! Don't ask me to interpret it, though. I don't know what the heck is going on there, but I have to give you ladies a lot of credit for actually making some sense out of it. I even watched the video and still can't quite understand it. Seems like it's about some woman who has some "magical" powers over men. It seems like the men are forming the "legs" of the centipede.[/SUP][SUP]

well if their connection is as you ladies say then maybe they were both crying, people cry when they can't be with the one they love. its torture right?

Ooooooh, now why did you have to say that word? The song, "Torture" had just been running through my mind and now I am tempted to post it.





Sounds like it's about some dominatrix or something. Hope that wasn't the actual case. Wow! This thread sure takes some intersting turns! lol!

Wonder if they were at all inspired by this Bee Gees tune?





Here I lie
in a lost and lonely part of town
Held in time
In a world of tears I slowly drown
Goin' home
I just can't make it all alone
I really should be holding you
Holding you
Loving you loving you

Tragedy
When the feeling's gone and you can't go on
It's tragedy
When the morning cries and you don't know why
It's hard to bear
With no-one to love you you're
goin' nowhere
Tragedy
When you lose control and you got no soul
It's tragedy
When the morning cries and you don't know why
It's hard to bear
With no-one beside you you're
goin' nowhere
When the feeling's gone and you can't go on

Night and day
there's a burning down inside of me
Burning love
With a yearning that won't let me be
Down I go
and I just can't take it all alone
I really should be holding you
Holding you
Loving you loving

Tragedy
When the feeling's gone and you can't go on
It's tragedy
When the morning cries and you don't know why
It's hard to bear
With no-one to love you you're
goin' nowhere
Tragedy
When you lose control and you got no soul
It's tragedy
When the morning cries and you don't know why
It's hard to bear
With no-one beside you you're
goin' nowhere (repeat and fade)

Don't give me too much credit for that, for this is just me paying attention to what others have brought up in here before. It just seemed like that was what FT might be saying as well so I asked him to confirm if he was. I was mainly wondering if he thought both of them were attuned and not just MJ, because at one point we have discussed that only MJ knew and not her. I think one example was MP discussing the possibility of MJ experiencing her in dreams (maybe even dreams they shared), or maybe some form of spiritual visitation, but the girl woke up not remembering or didn't sense him necessarily when this was going on. I think, MP, you brought up something about MJ's unique situation, because of his celebrity, that God understood his difficulties in connecting with her in more convensional ways so God maybe gave Michael this special kind of gift...to feel and sense her, etc.

Did I remember that right, MP?

Sounds about right. It is interesting that he started talking this way after Thriller. It seems like that time period was significant. I LOVE discussing this period of time![/SUP]

 

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Double post. Sorry. Having technical issues.

 

[Ape]

Ok I have a question. FT you said a while back that the woman would recognize herself in the lyrics or in many of them, and if a lady was thinking he meant her, even if she was around him and in person that it may not have been about her if she doesn't recognize herself in the lyrics. Aren't many lyrics vague enough that someone could apply it to her life regardless of if its about her or not? Unless things are clearly about her, clearly saying her name or something, then couldn't many woman come to a false conclusion that he was talking (singing) about her all along? Especially if we take the view presented by MP and brought to our attention again by Lisa that perhaps MJ would clearly see her in his dreams and wake up remembering her well, like it really happened and feeling as though she really must exist (and actually all these current songs brought up as well as a number more could support this theory) but for her, it not being as clear, maybe just remembering a few dreams here and there but maybe not even recognizing her dream man as MJ or as a clear image at all; because then we all could dream that it must have been (or could have been) "me"(whomever is ponding this)? I'm wondering how many woman could potentially see themselves in enough of the lyrics that they seriously begin to entertain the possibility that she could be the one he sings about; and if that number is high, could it all have been just a marketing ploy to sucker in vulnerable, lonely imaginative women into swooning over the Jackson brothers? A theme is quite apparent in the songs over the years and if a young girl grew up listening to their music, connections could be made throughout their lives to reinforce a false idea that she and MJ (or another famous person in a similar position) share some mystical connection? What if I take this thought even further...what if even Michael began to believe in these lyrics and the possibility that it could happen and maybe started to really dream about someone in this manner from the time he was a child? He was lonely and I could see it happening. Ok what if all this happened, and God was involved. Would God, seeing Mikes desire for someone heaven sent, meant for him, would He then make someone especially for him? Would they then dream with each other in this seamingly impossible, magical way? And could it still be possible despite it starting out as a marketing ploy to get a loyal fanatical fan base? OR...is it all just business and we've bought into the dream(lie)? Maybe much like the beLIEvers have bought into the dream of him still being alive. OR...is there something to either or both of these theories?I see possibiliies...(just don't know what is just purely fiction and what is actual reality no matter how unbelievable it may be)

 

[Ape]

Ugh... trying to edit to make it more readable but rather than put it into separate paragraghx, it joined everything together. Im on a tablet and its not as good as a laptop. (My hard drive fried).

 

[Magicgirl]

Hope everyone is having a nice Sunday. Or is it Monday for 8701girl? :flowers:

I had in just a couple posts back mentioned a few songs about flying and wings and that particular theme, yet I had not been aware of this Jackson5 song, for which I stumbled upon today. It is being played behind the words of that lovely poem, Two Birds.

[youtube]Qas1gzhF0qk[/youtube]

Just thought I'd share it here.



That is a great song, Magicgirl. :yes: We did discuss it quite a few pages back. It would be would wonderful if you'd be willing to share some of your thoughts about it! :wild:

I will say that if we take the lyrics fairly literally, it would seem this woman is the type that AllForMJ was talking about with us when she wrote this very thoughtful post based on a "timeline" of all his songs, and what he seemed to be going through regarding women in each season. She specifically discussed the kind of women who were trying to get his time and attention, and it seems at times some did succeed to get quite close, but they were bad news...either self-centered, after money, not sincere in their feelings towards him, etc. I think the woman in the song, Dangerous, might fit this description, but I think AllForMJ was talking about the season of time around the Invincible album, and what, for her, some of the songs were communicating. I personally do not know well enough the songs off of that album and can't recall the titles, I'm so sorry. But I know mysterygrl7 is very familiar with that album and has thought about the songs on there quite a bit. Maybe she can refresh our memory on the songs that speak of his being hurt or taken advantage of by some "not worthy of him" female (is that a good way to put it?)

Anyway, at face value, the woman in Behind the Mask sounds like that type of female who he is having trouble seeing as sincere.

So, Magicgirl, are you thinking, by bringing up this song, that the BTM gal could be the LITD girl and be the way he viewed her at some point in their relationship? (if she exists)

This song was written a long, long time ago...the 80's. And of course, there are usually(which is fun) a couple ways to interpret things, so is it possible the lyrics are not being so straight-forward, and it is not necessarily saying the woman is all bad news, but maybe she is just coming off confusing to him?

I think it was Favoritetune who had an interesting take on the way the song ends on this latest version. The female vocalist sings louder and louder "I love you, Michael" and FT was suggesting it could represent that even though maybe MJ and his LITD girl only connected through a spiritual connection(and sadly never actually got together literally before time ran out ), MJ still, towards the end of his life was beginning to hear her more loudly and clearly, and therefore, could hear better than ever in his spirit, her strong, loud and clear, I LOVE YOU, MICHAEL!!!!.

I thought that was a cute take on it.




btw, I like all the TIT clips in that BTM vid, Magicgirl!

Thank you Lisha for your great interpretation, it was a pleasure to read it. Sorry for the delay in answering but I could read it only right now as I gave up my attempts to restore the access to this forum with this username before, but finally I got my new password few days ago and can read it now again.

 

[Magicgirl]

Actually, because MJ loved Disney stories very much, it does kind of seem like he was hoping to be rescued in a way that is similar to what happens in a fairytale. In a fairytale, it often happens in a very mystical and magical way.

Look at what he said here many years ago about being rescued...

"Girls want to rescue me from loneliness, but they do it in such a way that they give me the impression they want to share my loneliness, which I wouldn't wish on anybody, because I believe I am one of the loneliest people in the world.

"She's Out Of My Life" is about knowing that the barriers that have separated me from others are temptingly low and seemingly easy to jump over and yet they remain standing while what I really desire disappears from my sight."

Now, notice that the song "One More Chance" which he selected as the new song to release in 2003 on his "Number Ones" CD has a line that says, "Come and rescue me out of this storm." Then, in "The Way You Love Me" which is the love song he released in 2004 during the trial, he said, "I was alone. There was no love in my life. I was afraid of life and you came in time." Notice that he also said, "I thank the Heavens above that I met you." Additionally, he said, "The world's a better place 'cause you came in time. You took away the rain and brought the sunshine."

It is very apparent, from looking at the way that he actually started cheering up, putting out positive love songs, smiling, laughing, giggling, and looking very vibrant again before our very eyes, that someone figured out how to do what he wanted done.

I've gathered some photos that will show just how much he had cheered up, but I'm still trying to do some other things before I post them. I want to make an attempt at doing what Ashtanga calls designing for all to understand. *waving at Ashtanga*

:yes:


Michael is with God...

Here is something that I posted in December of 2003. It will show you that God helped MJ to win the court battle.

Dec 06 2003, 02:29 AM

Recently, I went back to the Bible to see if there are other passages that shows that Heaven opens.

I found this one...

Acts 10:9-13
9 The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour.
10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance
11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth.
12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air.
13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”

And I also found this one...

Matthew 3:16-17
16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.
17 And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

The way that MJ won the trial even though Sneddon had the entire DA's department behind him; the entire police department behind him; the entire sheriff's department behind him; the laws of the land on his side; the judge doing the majority of the rulings in his favor; had spent millions of dollars to assist him in trying to convict MJ; and had the media working along side him by only putting out negative stories during the trial, proves that God said MJ was innocent and also proves that God had defended MJ Himself. Even Mesereau felt God's presence or he would not have said, "God was with us." And there were also doves being released to go along with MJ being exonerated.

I really do not think that God would exonerate MJ and then not allow MJ to come and live with Him once MJ has left the earth. Therefore, it is safe to say that God has MJ with Him. If God has been revealing through His very own actions that He is indeed real, then it means that Heaven, His home, is real as well.

:yes:

Thank God for God, and thank God that Michael Jackson is someone that loves God very much.

Thank you for your great post, sorry for the very late reply, but it seems I post something and then never come back in time to read the replies. Your supposition is right! It never came to my mind before. Michael is of course living by God in Heaven at god's island. You are right.

 

[Magicgirl]

Ok I have a question. FT you said a while back that the woman would recognize herself in the lyrics or in many of them, and if a lady was thinking he meant her, even if she was around him and in person that it may not have been about her if she doesn't recognize herself in the lyrics. Aren't many lyrics vague enough that someone could apply it to her life regardless of if its about her or not? Unless things are clearly about her, clearly saying her name or something, then couldn't many woman come to a false conclusion that he was talking (singing) about her all along? Especially if we take the view presented by MP and brought to our attention again by Lisa that perhaps MJ would clearly see her in his dreams and wake up remembering her well, like it really happened and feeling as though she really must exist (and actually all these current songs brought up as well as a number more could support this theory) but for her, it not being as clear, maybe just remembering a few dreams here and there but maybe not even recognizing her dream man as MJ or as a clear image at all; because then we all could dream that it must have been (or could have been) "me"(whomever is ponding this)? I'm wondering how many woman could potentially see themselves in enough of the lyrics that they seriously begin to entertain the possibility that she could be the one he sings about; and if that number is high, could it all have been just a marketing ploy to sucker in vulnerable, lonely imaginative women into swooning over the Jackson brothers? A theme is quite apparent in the songs over the years and if a young girl grew up listening to their music, connections could be made throughout their lives to reinforce a false idea that she and MJ (or another famous person in a similar position) share some mystical connection? What if I take this thought even further...what if even Michael began to believe in these lyrics and the possibility that it could happen and maybe started to really dream about someone in this manner from the time he was a child? He was lonely and I could see it happening. Ok what if all this happened, and God was involved. Would God, seeing Mikes desire for someone heaven sent, meant for him, would He then make someone especially for him? Would they then dream with each other in this seamingly impossible, magical way? And could it still be possible despite it starting out as a marketing ploy to get a loyal fanatical fan base? OR...is it all just business and we've bought into the dream(lie)? Maybe much like the beLIEvers have bought into the dream of him still being alive. OR...is there something to either or both of these theories?I see possibiliies...(just don't know what is just purely fiction and what is actual reality no matter how unbelievable it may be)

I like your suppositions, maybe connected not through dreams but through some telepathic power like they have it in science fiction films? Concerning the recognition in lyrics... I was writing some poems myself and it was always based on something or someone, so is possible that MJ did that as well in some songs and put a definite message so one could recognise herself in that. But of course there are many women that would want to believe as well that she was meant though she was not. I think it was easier for MJ to put a message in a song than to write a letter on paper. As the letter can be lost or stolen or he wouldn't dare to send it and the song will always reach the receiver. God! This forum site works so slow that I guess I will soon give up on this thread.

 

[Favoritetune]

Okay, how did i miss all for mjs post?

when was that written?

MP I put MJ before the verse he sings, in the song torture it’s not about love it sounds to me more like someone who is there taking advantage of his loneliness. Someone who was there and from the lyrics “here to serve all masters” sounds like she got busy with plenty. Definitely not a love in the dark.
"Torture"
It was on a street so evil
So bad that even hell disowned it
Every single step was trouble
For the fool who stumbled on it
Eyes within the dark were watchin'
I felt the sudden chill of danger
Something told me keep on walkin'
Told me I should not have gone there

Baby, 'cause you cut me like a knife
Without your love in my life
Alone I walk in the night
'Cause I just can't stop this feeling
It's torture
It's torture
It's torture

MJ

(She was up a stair to nowhere
A room forever I'll remember
She stared as though I should have known her
Tell me what's your pain or pleasure
Every little thing you find here
Is simply for the thrill you're after
Loneliness or hearts on fire
I am here to serve all masters)

She said, 'Reality is a knife
When there's no love in your life
Unmerciful is the night
When you just can't stop this feeling'
It's torture
It's torture
It's torture

And I still can't find the meaning, no
MJ (No, no, of the face I keep on seeing)
Was she real or am I dreaming
MJ (Did the sound of your name
Turn a wheel
Start a flame in me)

Baby, 'cause you cut me like a knife
Without your love in my life
Alone I walk in the night
And I just can't stop this feeling
It's torture
It's torture
It's torture

Listening to this song now has got me analyzing it and as I’m listening to it I’m not sure if mj wrote it or not. There is parts in it that could fall with your theme and that is in the other verse mj sings in but first before I forget the first part he sings is this
(She was up a stair to nowhere
A room forever I'll remember
She stared as though I should have known her
Tell me what's your pain or pleasure
Every little thing you find here
Is simply for the thrill you're after
Loneliness or hearts on fire
I am here to serve all masters)

Not sure why but that along with the first part of the song reminded me of how people said people locked him in a room with prostitutes. I copied the lyrics from a site but to me it sounds like he’s singing she said as though I should have known her tell me what’s your pain or pleasure. It would make perfect since if that was about a prostitute, plus the part where he sings a room forever I’ll remember. Whatever the case the 1st part he sings is in my opinion not about litd but an opportunist, someone who plays love to get paid or something.
The second half of the song could have to do with a litd they are singing can’t find the meaning of the face I keep on seeing was she real or was I dreaming and that reminds me of karosel where he says something like that.

And I still can't find the meaning, no
MJ (No, no, of the face I keep on seeing)
Was she real or am I dreaming
MJ (Did the sound of your name
Turn a wheel
Start a flame in me)

Baby, 'cause you cut me like a knife
Without your love in my life
Alone I walk in the night
And I just can't stop this feeling
It's torture
It's torture
It's torture

So when I say torture I mean being without the one you love is torture. Notice how the song starts with a street so evil and ends with baby cause you cut me like a knife without your love in my life alone I walk in the night and I just can’t stop this feeling, he even mentions knowing a name in the 2nd part he sings cause he asked did the sound of your name turn a wheel start a flame in me
So maybe part of it is about a litd


Lisha I think a lot of things are possible. What you ladies are saying here about how mj has been singing songs for a while now as if trying to reach someone sounds true. Mj was very lonely and though I don’t know a certain video to post for you right now when he said that we all know he said it and it’s true. So I think it is divinely possible that he and his lady could feel each other in the spirit. There are a lot of things that happen in the world that can’t be explain by science. Was it in the 80’s? well if he did have someone in his heart that would explain why he let Latoya in his video. He was even gonna let her have the part in twymf. Maybe he was trying to protect someones heart or maybe he just didn’t want to hurt his female fans in general or both.
Dang lisha that’s a lot of questions I’d say the spiritual connection if you want to call it that probably began a long time ago if we guess from his songs and certainly I’d think you are not alone is a good example of that cause he’s singing to someone it seems even though r Kelly wrote it and who knows what mj told him he was looking for or if he picked it out cause it related like a greeting cars.

Ape how you doin? I think many of the songs have a general since to them but when a man is singing about divine love and many of the things he has been singing then I think some people would need to realize it’s not about them. The sad thing about all this is some ladies really wanna get with mj but should he be alone cause he can’t get with all the ladies? Should ladies who wanna be the one be alone cause she’s hoping she’s the one for him? i don’t think the songs are marketing strategy cause love songs are less popular than dance tracks. I do think that maybe mj made some songs about some women and that he sung them in such a way that a lot of women could know he’s not singing to them and maybe the litd lady as you say can clearly see herself in his lyrics. Other women could too and I guess that would make it hard for litd as well as other women cause the whole concept is unconventional. Any lady that’s ever liked him probably saw herself in his songs.

MJzprincess what stuff are you thinking bout from dancing the dream? I have listened to much too soon and I think it’s saying an awful lot. People who worked on it said mj kept bringing it out considering releasing it on different albums through the years so it shows it really meant something to him and I bet hearing it if it made sense to her probably meant a lot to litdg too.

Thank you for your great post, sorry for the very late reply, but it seems I post something and then never come back in time to read the replies. Your supposition is right! It never came to my mind before. Michael is of course living by God in Heaven at god's island. You are right.

 

[Lisha]

Wow, FT, that was a nice long post. Thank you.

So I think it is divinely possible that he and his lady could feel each other in the spirit. There are a lot of things that happen in the world that can’t be explain by science. Was it in the 80’s?

I’d say the spiritual connection if you want to call it that probably began a long time ago if we guess from his songs....

I think I can be on board with the idea that MJ had a special woman in his heart and it was a divine love and therefore, MJ, through God's help, could feel her in his spirit. And I'm trying to be open to the idea of a couple being able to feel each other back and forth through a spiritual connection. And I can believe MJ might have felt "her" this way back in the 80's, if he had already been aware of her.

What I am asking you, FT, specifically, is if you think back in the 80's the lyrics support it being a Two Way over being a One Way (or one-sided connection via MJ only) connection. Did only MJ feel her, or did she feel him back and it was a two way spiritual connection? Savvy?


~ btw, the reason I am asking for this to be made clear, is because, FT, you have been suggesting ladies look to the lyrics to see if they line up or not with them, in order to support they are the LITD girl or not.

If you can support that MJ had a Two Way spiritual connection with the LITD girl, starting all the way back in the early to mid-eighties, then that would eliminate all, and I mean all, but one lady, and that would be the true LITD girl.

For anyone would know if they were having a Two Way spiritual connection going on with MJ in the 80's. I mean, that would stand out in someone's life, wouldn't it?

If anyone was not born then or was too little or was even older but did not spiritually pick up on, feel, and hear MJ through the spiritual realm, by God's divine assistance...then they can no longer see themselves as MJ's LITD girl...the one he asked God for years and years ago.

Right?

Look, I can take this test myself as an example:

Even though I was around, alive, and doing my thing in the 80's, I most certainly did not ever pick up on MJ connecting with or trying to connect with me in any spiritual way...therefore, if it is shown through the lyrics that he did have this going on with his LITD girl back in the 80's, then I am not the LITD girl.

See how this works?

 

[8701girl]

Anyone listen real closely to the lyrics "Much too soon"? There is a lot to learn from, in that song, in my opinion.,

I can kinda vaguely remember the lyrics but i havent listened to that song in a while

 

[8701girl]

It was on a street so evil
So bad that even hell disowned it
Every single step was trouble
For the fool who stumbled on it
Eyes within the dark were watchin'
I felt the sudden chill of danger
Something told me keep on walkin'
Told me I should not have gone there

Baby, 'cause you cut me like a knife
Without your love in my life
Alone I walk in the night
'Cause I just can't stop this feeling
It's torture
It's torture
It's torture

MJ

(She was up a stair to nowhere
A room forever I'll remember
She stared as though I should have known her
Tell me what's your pain or pleasure
Every little thing you find here
Is simply for the thrill you're after
Loneliness or hearts on fire
I am here to serve all masters)

She said, 'Reality is a knife
When there's no love in your life
Unmerciful is the night
When you just can't stop this feeling'
It's torture
It's torture
It's torture

And I still can't find the meaning, no
MJ (No, no, of the face I keep on seeing)
Was she real or am I dreaming
MJ (Did the sound of your name
Turn a wheel
Start a flame in me)

Baby, 'cause you cut me like a knife
Without your love in my life
Alone I walk in the night
And I just can't stop this feeling
It's torture
It's torture
It's torture

Omg thank you for posting the lyrics to "torture" as i have always wandered what they are as i could only make out some of it. This songs to me could represent the pain of losing the one u love from a break up , although it kinda also shows mj/jacksons seeing a woman for the first time & feeling a sense of wary of who this woman is they see

 

[Favoritetune]

Thanks Lisha, i don't think God would have it as one way. i think litdg would feel his love as well and imagine they both had to have a lot of faith in God to bring it about. maybe mj was as his lyrics say " i was alone in the dark when i met you" and maybe he was talking to God about his loneliness, "you took my hand and you told me you loved me" well if she took his hand she either took it, held it or one of those old fashion things they use to say back in the day when a guy would propose as in "will you take my hand in marriage" she didn't literally take his hand cause he still has it so she either took his hand in marriage and agreed to marry him or she held his hand or both. if they met literally an easy guess would be she held his hand and told him she loved them unless of course there was that love at first site knowing if such a thing exists and maybe he proposed to her then. that would be wild then i guess but no matter what it was i'm certain it would have had to be two way.

something else about torture when i went away it came to me how they did that video and near the end they show a glove like mj glitter grab the whip that this evil looking woman is swinging all over the place and luring men to their doom and the lady changes to normal and her whip is gone. when i walked away i thought of the rest of that story about mj being locked in a room with prostitutes and how they say people think he shared the gospel with her. that's what that scene reminded me of but mj isn't in that video

magicgirl hadn't seen you around before but i'm guessing sometimes servers just drag hope you don't give up. tell us what do you think about much too soon

mjzprincess?

now who is soundmind? i saw you tell us what you think about mjs love songs

Wow, FT, that was a nice long post. Thank you.



I think I can be on board with the idea that MJ had a special woman in his heart and it was a divine love and therefore, MJ, through God's help, could feel her in his spirit. And I'm trying to be open to the idea of a couple being able to feel each other back and forth through a spiritual connection. And I can believe MJ might have felt "her" this way back in the 80's, if he had already been aware of her.

What I am asking you, FT, specifically, is if you think back in the 80's the lyrics support it being a Two Way over being a One Way (or one-sided connection via MJ only) connection. Did only MJ feel her, or did she feel him back and it was a two way spiritual connection? Savvy?


~ btw, the reason I am asking for this to be made clear, is because, FT, you have been suggesting ladies look to the lyrics to see if they line up or not with them, in order to support they are the LITD girl or not.

If you can support that MJ had a Two Way spiritual connection with the LITD girl, starting all the way back in the early to mid-eighties, then that would eliminate all, and I mean all, but one lady, and that would be the true LITD girl.

For anyone would know if they were having a Two Way spiritual connection going on with MJ in the 80's. I mean, that would stand out in someone's life, wouldn't it?

If anyone was not born then or was too little or was even older but did not spiritually pick up on, feel, and hear MJ through the spiritual realm, by God's divine assistance...then they can no longer see themselves as MJ's LITD girl...the one he asked God for years and years ago.

Right?

Look, I can take this test myself as an example:

Even though I was around, alive, and doing my thing in the 80's, I most certainly did not ever pick up on MJ connecting with or trying to connect with me in any spiritual way...therefore, if it is shown through the lyrics that he did have this going on with his LITD girl back in the 80's, then I am not the LITD girl.

See how this works?

 

[Lisha]

If, FT, you can then support in lyrics in here, about the Two Way happening in the eighties, then you would help many who have hoped they were MJ's LITD girl to stop thinking they were. And I can already think of a few songs with lyrics from the 80's that could very well support it; and they have been mentioned before in this thread. But I post too much in here already and I wish for others to contribute these things. I'll take a break and defer to others.

 

[Favoritetune]

why am i thinking of linda right now are you around?

no breaks lisha. you want me to pick out songs that support mj having a litdg connection in the 80s to help women here realize it aint them? i aint even gonna try to convince anyone that, help or nothing. none of that. they'll try to feed me peas or something if i even thought of it. lips closed and shaking my head saying no way.