[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If his son is autistic then I hope Wade won't use that to try and get sympathy. Although I wouldn't put it passed him

He does try to use his son for sympathy. Before these allegations I never saw pics of his son but since he has plastered the pics of his son all over on his FB and websites. (Which, BTW, makes it obvious that there is no threat from MJ fans or anything like that - if he ever tries to pull that card...) Also let's not forget how he uses his son in his lawsuit saying he was looking at his son imagining the things he claims MJ did to him and that's what made him start to connect the dots - or some crap like that. The whole claim makes him look pretty creepy. Saying he was looking at his son, imagining sexual things happening to him but he still did not know they were wrong and how he felt about them.... I don't think he was imagining anything looking at his son, IMO he just included this little snippet to somehow include his son for sympathy. Which shows how low he is capable of going - even involving his son in this mess.
 
I really don&#8217;t think it is that complicated. As pointed out by respect, Wade and his lawyer wanted this whole thing kept quiet hoping the estate would see it and pay them to go away. His going on the Today show, him having his sister on twitter pleading his case was his entire attempt to get the estate to buckle. Not only did they not they made him go under oath and caught him in his lies about not knowing there was an estate. That argument right there shows us all that they wanted money to go away because that is the stupidest argument ever. And as to why he&#8217;s doing it. I don&#8217;t know much about the world of dance but a friend of mine who does told me that with dancing you get a certain amount of time to burn hot. There is someone out there who could do a move better then you for instance Jamie King. And Wade took years off to make films which turned into a failed movie script and some short films one was even shot at Neverland. When he was offered the CDS show and either turned it down or was let go for some reason it went to Travis Payne is singed by the same agency Wade was. Wade, IMO thought that anything related Michael should go to him because in his mind hewas always loyal to Michael. And now that he sees that is not true. This I how he reacts<o:p></o:p>
 
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And let me add this. His arrogance has just been off the hook. Saying you were abused but did not know ituntil 2012 then when you think no one is looking talk about how you dealt withthe loneliness and isolation like you knew for years it was wrong and totally contradictswhat you said before. And this I can&#8217;twork because of what happened to me but what are you doing because you think noone is looking at you? Gets ajob doing exactly what you say you can&#8217;t do anymore? Someone said it best it is like people whofile false injury reports and can&#8217;t work eventually they slip up. <o:p></o:p>
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He does try to use his son for sympathy. Before these allegations I never saw pics of his son but since he has plastered the pics of his son all over on his FB and websites. (Which, BTW, makes it obvious that there is no threat from MJ fans or anything like that - if he ever tries to pull that card...) Also let's not forget how he uses his son in his lawsuit saying he was looking at his son imagining the things he claims MJ did to him and that's what made him start to connect the dots - or some crap like that. The whole claim makes him look pretty creepy. Saying he was looking at his son, imagining sexual things happening to him but he still did not know they were wrong and how he felt about them.... I don't think he was imagining anything looking at his son, IMO he just included this little snippet to somehow include his son for sympathy. Which shows how low he is capable of going - even involving his son in this mess.

How could he drag his own son into this mess? He just using his own son as a shield. That's not cool, not only he's a backstabber to Michael, but he's setting a bad example as a father.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How could he drag his own son into this mess? He just using his own son as a shield. That's not cool, not only he's a backstabber to Michael, but he's setting a bad example as a father.

You know, there are people like that - Evan Chandler comes to mind.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Damn there must be some update regarding this case... Anyone got an idea of how long we have to wait?

I haven't heard anything. Maybe he dropped it?

I'm so tired of all these people backstabbing Michael.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just a warning, Demond Dimond has new article up that some other man has filed/joined on Wade's lawsuit.

I well and truly hope that Demon gets hit by lightning or something :puke:
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How would DD know this? Can you post the article, so that we dont have to click on it?

Hope she's just as "right" about it as about Gavin's love letters and all the idiotic crap she made up. Or if she's right let's hope it's someone who would further embarrass Wade - like Kapon, Bartucci etc.

And how convenient that she comes out with this on the release date of Xscape...
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The article is full of 'sources'. I don't recall seeing any direct quotes from Safechuck or his lawyers (but I was just skimming). There is the obligatory quote from someone who understands why the claims are now being made and the one from Zonen, which basically says "I told you so".

It is now been picked up by HuffPo (but it is a direct link to the Daily Beast site).
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Guys, could you please post the article here? So she claims Safechuck joined Wade?
 
OK found it so no one would have to go to her filthy website:

Exclusive: Michael Jackson Hit With New Sex Abuse Claim

The star of a 1987 Pepsi ad featuring Michael Jackson has joined a suit against the singer&#8217;s estate, alleging that Jackson sexually abused him for years.

And then there were five. The Daily Beast has learned that another man has stepped forward to accuse Michael Jackson of sexually victimizing him.

The latest sexual assault complaint, filed in court last Friday, remains sealed, but two sources close to the case revealed that the man involved is James Safechuck, who appeared in a Pepsi ad featuring Jackson in 1987 and proceeded to have a close association with the singer for several years. Safechuck was mentioned as a potential abuse victim by employees of Jackson&#8217;s Neverland Ranch in court documents filed ahead of the star&#8217;s 2005 criminal trial, but he always denied that Jackson had molested him. Now, the sources said, Safechuck&#8217;s complaint claims that Jackson groomed him and molested him for several years beginning when he was 10 years old.

Safechuck added his name to a suit originally filed by Wade Robson in May 2013. Robson, an Australian who is now 31, testified in Jackson&#8217;s defense at the singer&#8217;s 2005 trial, where the pop icon was found not guilty of child molestation and other charges. But later, Robson changed his mind. Last year, he alleged in a civil suit against Jackson&#8217;s estate that the singer had forced him to perform sex acts. Both Robson, who was once a top Hollywood choreographer, and Safechuck, 36, are represented by the L.A. law firm of Gradstein & Marzano. Partners in that firm declined to comment on their latest filing.

&#8220;It&#8217;s the same type of sex abuse claim as Wade&#8217;s,&#8221; a source close to Safechuck said. &#8220;Only with a different set of facts &#8230; and dates. According to the source, Safechuck alleges that he &#8220;was molested from the age of 10 to about 14 or 15.&#8221;

Asked why Safechuck, now a married computer programmer with two young children living in Southern California, would come forward with an allegation after all these years, one source said he was motivated by Robson&#8217;s very public announcement last year that he had come to the realization that Jackson was a, &#8220;child molester and pedophile.&#8221;

&#8220;Once you start having children and you see what it&#8217;s all about &#8230; your perspective on life changes,&#8221; the source said, requesting anonymity because they lacked authority to speak on the record. According to the source closest to Safechuck, he now believes that &#8220;some of his current issues&#8221; stem from his long-ago relationship with Jackson.

(Jackson's attorney, Howard Weitzman, did not immediately respond to a request to comment for this story).

Like Robson, Safechuck had long denied rumors that he had been sexually victimized by the former superstar. It was only after seeking intensive therapy, according to one source, that he was able to begin to deal with his undisclosed issues.

&#8220;It is very common for males who are sexually abused to delay disclosure for a long time,&#8221; according to Christopher Anderson, the Executive Director of MaleSurvivor.org. &#8220;In fact, research shows that the average delay in disclosure for men who have been sexually assaulted is 20 years.&#8221; Anderson says some of the men who come to his self-help organization have waited over 60 years to reveal their abuse.

Safechuck was 10 years old when he was cast in a Pepsi commercial designed to promote Michael Jackson&#8217;s first solo world tour, the Bad Tour. It was 1987, and the tiny, smiling blonde boy seemed perfectly suited to play the part of a mischievous Jackson fan that sneaks into the star&#8217;s dressing room to catch a glimpse of his idol.

Watch: James Safechuck&#8217;s 1987 Pepsi Ad
Video screenshot

By early 1988, little Jimmy Safechuck seemed constantly at Jackson&#8217;s side. In February, the odd couple was photographed at the Kahala Hilton Hotel in Hawaii where they attended a Pepsi conference. (The beverage maker was the sponsor of Jackson&#8217;s concert tour.) In March, they were in New York and joined by Liza Minnelli to catch the opening performance of The Phantom of the Opera. There was also the obligatory shopping spree at the famous F.A.O. Schwarz toy store across from Central Park. In July, Safechuck traveled with Jackson to England for an awards ceremony for the wildly popular entertainer and a string of Bad Tour concerts at Wembley Stadium. In June, Jimmy and the 30-year-old Jackson were in Paris for more concert appearances. And, it was Jimmy who appeared at the final Bad Tour concert in Los Angeles, dressed exactly like his much older friend and performing the Moonwalk dance right alongside Jackson.

Sources said that in the sealed complaint, Safechuck claims &#8220;childhood sexual abuse&#8221; by Jackson and gives a detailed account of how the boy and man first met, their early correspondence and the various &#8220;grooming&#8221; steps Jackson is alleged to have taken as he inserted himself into young Safechuck&#8217;s life.

In court documents filed by the prosecution ahead of Jackson&#8217;s 2005 criminal trial, various employees from Jackson&#8217;s Neverland Ranch were quoted saying Safechuck was a frequent and familiar guest. Several were set to testify that they saw or suspected Jackson was molesting young Safechuck. An estate manager was quoted in one court submission saying that he saw Jackson standing in the Jacuzzi with his hands, &#8220;down the front of Jimmy&#8217;s underpants and was manipulating the boy&#8217;s genitalia.&#8221; In the same document filed by the prosecution, a trusted master bedroom maid said she saw the pair in bed together, nude from the waist up, both inside the main house and on a bed overlooking the Neverland theatre screen. But since Safechuck had never made a claim of sexual abuse the judge ruled the jury could not hear any of those prosecution claims.

In late 1993, after I broke the original story that a young boy named Jordie Chandler had accused Jackson of molesting him, La Toya Jackson held a news conference in Tel Aviv and said she could no longer be a &#8220;silent collaborator&#8221; to her brother&#8217;s &#8220;crimes against innocent children.&#8221;

&#8220;This has been going on since 1981,&#8221; she said into the camera, &#8220;And it&#8217;s not just one child.&#8221; Later, La Toya would claim she made that statement under threat of violence from her abusive husband, Jack Gordon.

In 1994, La Toya also told the TV interviewer Geraldo Rivera a story of how she and her mother once found a cancelled check she said Michael had written for $1 million, made payable to the father of one of Michael&#8217;s most frequent boy pals. She did not name the child.

&#8220;The father, supposedly, is a garbage collector,&#8221; La Toya said. Jimmy Safechuck&#8217;s father was&#8212;and still is&#8212;employed in the rubbish disposal business. &#8212;Howard Weitzman, an attorney for the Jackson Estate, has called Robson&#8217;s lawsuit a money-grab, &#8220;transparent &#8230; outrageous and sad.&#8221; Dispensing money to make problems go away was not an unusual thing for Michael Jackson back in his heyday. My book on the case revealed the specifics of the monetary settlement hammered out for Jordie Chandler, complainant #1. His divorced parents agreed to a package of more than $20 million (including payment of all their legal fees) in exchange for their perpetual silence. No complaining witness, no trial.

Related: British Paper: Jackson Spent $34 Million to Silence Alleged Victims

The complaint details how Safechuck and Jackson met, and the &#8220;grooming&#8221; steps Jackson allegedly took to lay the groundwork for sexual contact.

Complainant #2 was Jason Francia, the young son of one of Jackson&#8217;s long-time maids, Blanca Francia. She told me in a 1993 interview that Jackson often urged her to bring her seven-year-old boy to work with her. After catching them in a darkened room nestled inside a sleeping bag, Francia said her son admitted Jackson had told him to keep something secret: three $100 bills the singer had stuffed in young Jason&#8217;s pocket. Francia eventually quit the job because her son had become angry and depressed and, as she put it, she couldn&#8217;t take the procession of Jackson&#8217;s little &#8220;special (boy) friends&#8221; anymore. After the Chandler allegations hit Jackson lawyers doubled-back and Francia was quietly offered a $2 million dollar settlement to keep mum. Again, no complaining witness, no trial.

In 2003, a young cancer survivor named Gavin Arvizo became complainant #3. He alleged Jackson had shown him porn, fed him &#8220;Jesus Juice&#8221; (alcohol) in a Diet Coke can and sexually molested him during sleepovers inside the master bedroom suite at Neverland. Those charges resulted in Jackson&#8217;s 2005 criminal trial, at which he was acquitted of fourteen charges. Jackson&#8217;s defense team vilified the Arvizo family repeatedly calling them, &#8220;Grifters and liars&#8221; who were out for Jackson&#8217;s money. Defense Attorney Tom Mesereau proudly spoke about the strength of his lead-off witness, Wade Robson. Back in 2005, Robson had energetically defended Jackson and swore that when he was a child the defendant had never touched him inappropriately.

Related: Gavin Arvizo&#8217;s New Beginning: Jackson Abuse Accuser Gets Married at 24

Today, as complainant #4, Robson says he was brainwashed by Jackson to keep their ugly secret. During his Today show appearance in May 2013 Robson said Jackson had, &#8220;Performed sexual acts on me and forced me to perform sexual acts on him,&#8221; beginning when he was seven years old and lasting until he was 14. He says it wasn&#8217;t until he had his own child that he came to understand what Jackson did to him was a crime. Robson&#8217;s lawsuit now claims that he suffered two nervous breakdowns in recent years which forced him to turn down lucrative choreography jobs. Although he has worked with some top musical celebrities&#8212;Britany Spears,*NSYNC, Usher and Pink to name a few&#8212;Robson says he remains unable to work.

Now that a fifth man has come forward claiming he was victimized is Jackson&#8217;s former prosecutor, Ron Zonen, surprised?

&#8220;Not at all,&#8221; he said during a telephone call. &#8220;I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re done yet.&#8221; Zonen, now retired, mentioned the years-long Jackson investigation conducted by the Santa Barbara District Attorney&#8217;s office and added, &#8220;All these people, these suspected victims, are now in their early 30s, all young adults and they are coming to grips with what happened to them.&#8221;
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How would DD know this? Can you post the article, so that we dont have to click on it?

Hope she's just as "right" about it as about Gavin's love letters and all the idiotic crap she made up. Or if she's right let's hope it's someone who would further embarrass Wade - like Kapon, Bartucci etc.

And how convenient that she comes out with this on the release date of Xscape...

It is no accident that the article came out today.
 
I wonder if this was then why the case was put off-calendar for a while...

It seems to me unfortunately that it could be true. Allegedly Wade's lawyer represents Safechuck too. I guess they were fishing and fishing as long as they found someone who was willing to sell his soul for money...

Asked why Safechuck, now a married computer programmer with two young children living in Southern California, would come forward with an allegation after all these years, one source said he was motivated by Robson&#8217;s very public announcement last year that he had come to the realization that Jackson was a, &#8220;child molester and pedophile.&#8221;

LOL, yeah, because the 1993 and 2005 allegations did not prompt such a realization?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Jesus. Michael just didn't have real friends. I don't even know what to say anymore.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I feel we need to get a more official confirmation before we get all caught up. This story is too source-heavy for me.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Isn't this the same guy who got married at Michael's ranch and always said Michael never touched him?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Meserau said during the trial that Safechuck's wedding was at Neverland, but there's no other confirmation about that. I personally believe the wedding didn't took place there, maybe some other celebration. But who cares? He got 20 years, 3 accusations (including Robson's) and whole trial. He didn't said a word. And now, 5 years after he died, more than one year after Robson's complaint he choose to speak? Exactly the day of MJ's new release?

F** off. He can cry me a river. You got PLENTY of time to speak. Too late honey.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Exactly how to these law suits work?

And why isn't it going to court (not the hearing but the proper thing)?

I also think that the estate need to play their game and say that these allegations are damaging the physical and mental health of Michael's children and Michael's mother.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Mesereau mistook Safechuck for Spence. It was Jonathan Spence whose weddig was at Neverland. But of course that doesn't mean Jimmy was molested. How come that it's Wade's claims which suddenly make him realize that he was molested, but the 1993 and 2005 case did not make him realize that? And they are all suing for money, of course...
If his father is still a garbage collector I guess his family is not very wealthy. So I guess the money was tempting for him.

I'm so sorry for Michael and his orphaned children. I can't believe the evilness and greed of certain people! :cry:

Of course, it's no coincidence that they are putting this out there today, one day before the release of Xscape. This is all a part of the plan to blackmail the Estate into a settlement with bad publicity.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The shakedown is becoming too obvious. There is no way a competent jury will award them anything. the lawsuit is filed on Friday just days before the release of MJ album. I mean come on. It's too obvious.
Plus the pattern is the same. claiming to be intimidated or ashamed seems to be the new trick on the block. why didn't he join the prosecution in 2005? and why wait 5 years after MJ death?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh yes, Michael abused him from 10 to 14; but yet he was there un 1994 (at 17-18 years old) holding his umbrella during the HIStory Teaser...

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Mesereau mistook Safechuck for Spence. It was Jonathan Spence whose weddig was at Neverland. But of course that doesn't mean Jimmy was molested. How come that it's Wade's claims which suddenly make him realize that he was molested, but the 1993 and 2005 case did not make him realize that? And they are all suing for money, of course...
If his father is still a garbage collector I guess his family is not very wealthy. So I guess the money was tempting for him.

I'm so sorry for Michael and his orphaned children. I can't believe the evilness and greed of certain people! :cry:

Of course, it's no coincidence that they are putting this out there today, one day before the release of Xscape. This is all a part of the plan to blackmail the Estate into a settlement with bad publicity.

They will get nothing. absolutely nothing because the shakedown is too obvious.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's still all sounds worrying. Does anyone know anything about this dude Safe****? On social media etc? Bet him and Wade have downloaded the new album and have it on their iPods.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I typed in Jimmy Safechuck in Facebook and a profile appears of him as a kid with MJ!! Looks like an old profile though that's not active. Could of been anyone who created it. It says he was born on Sep 13th.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So how safechuck's going to get round the time limitations? He didn't realise mj had died and had an estate organising his affairs - maybe he's been living on a different planet for the past 5 yrs? It seems the addition of safechuck is just designed as extra pressure on the estate to settle these claims because of the bad publicity - but legally they've left it too late to file and they know that. So it's just a cynical ratcheting up of pressure at a time when sony/estate have a big new project.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So how safechuck's going to get round the time limitations? He didn't realise mj had died and had an estate organising his affairs - maybe he's been living on a different planet for the past 5 yrs? It seems the addition of safechuck is just designed as extra pressure on the estate to settle these claims because of the bad publicity - but legally they've left it too late to file and they know that. So it's just a cynical ratcheting up of pressure at a time when sony/estate have a big new project.

Absolutely. Like i said before the shakedown is too obvious. There is no way they will get anything.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes, but unfortunately this is extremely bad publicity for Michael. You know how superficial people are in their thinking. They are usually like "so many people cannot be lying" etc - without even looking into the case any deeper than that.

Shame on you, Jimmy, shame on you!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes, but unfortunately this is extremely bad publicity for Michael. You know how superficial people are in their thinking. They are usually like "so many people cannot be lying" etc - without even looking into the case any deeper than that.

Shame on you, Jimmy, shame on you!

A settlement will be even worse. So that's definitely not an option.
 
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