[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Hopefully in two to the three weeks this mess will be over...It should be over with the fact that MJ owned his companies and was 100% owner and no one controlled him.

It won't be over that quick. Even if we assume amendment isn't allowed and there is no delays, summary judgment motion is due for November 23 and a hearing at February 9. This is a significant motion so judge's generally take some time to decide. So the earliest we are looking at is February - March 2017.
 

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This say it all too that why the Estate should not settle like Tom said it will open it up to others ppls to bring clamis against the Estate.

The judge really need to throw these case out. I agree with Tom this is a play from the Chandler playbook anything to force the Estate to settle i also agree with Tom it will be the wrong message to send ppls will believe that Michael did this and he is not here to defend himself against these lies.
 
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Maybe the judge will be sick of it also and just decide early.


Did Michael know that Robson and Barnes were going on tv at that time? I didn't see it in real time but heard about it later. I can't imagine him wanting them to do that.
 

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People are tired of this kind of nonsense. Look at what is going on with Chris Brown today. That girl used the system to LIE on Chris and had Chris arrested in which he had to post bail and take a chance at getting a felony. The judge saw through her LIE. What those lawyers are doing are just making themselves look stupid and scumbag.
 

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An to this VF fool, the FACTS ALREADY came out in 2005. These nuts do not have nothin but lies. That is why everyone is ignoring these nuts. As for MJ Wiki, why is this jack@Ss worrying about the claims showing up on Wiki? Sound like they want to think that it will destroy MJ achievements which WONT happen. We know anyone can lie nowadays and it will be in wiki, no big deal. This shows that this is no more than a continue witch hunt. even these lying lawyers can not keep up with their lies.
 
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That why these lawyers need to bar it is a shame that they are lying like this there is no truth in what they are saying. i hope the judge will see this now because by law you can't sue a dead man. Wade/James are going after the companies companies that was own by Michael Jackson so therefore these cases should be throw out it come back to suing Michael and he is not here end of story.


Ivy excellent job. You torn it apart.

I hope that Tom doesn't debate with that fool it not even worth it.
 
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I believe Sony is behind all of this!!!

And it's not a coincidence that John branca sold Mike's catalogue especially when he said he was never ever gonna do that...think bout it guys!
 

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That makes no sense
 

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This case is basic on all lies it all about the money Wade/James want it because Chandler did the same thing there was no proof or evidence that this happen it is all a big attempt to force the Estate to settle like it was done with the Chandler case.
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's disgusting how they make a mockery of this whole thing. Since when was abuse to be debated in the public eye with a cash prize attached at the end of it all. but if he mentions charity its all supposed to be okay. Like a game show. Because that's what this whole thing is to WR & his lawyers. One big sleazy game show.

So it sounds as if he's going after TMez now. Couldn't drag the estate out so we'll slander TMez's reputation, maybe he'll bite. I hope he doesn't as it will just give them what they want.
 

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Importantly what happened was Wade did not want to testify. Judge Lance Ito, this is before the OJ case, actually held Wade in contempt as a 12 year old kid. He was going to put him in jail if he didn’t testify. So Michael Jackson’s lawyers met with him. Anthony Pellicano met with him, who we all know about now. They told him exactly what to say. As a 12 year old he already perjured himself because he bought what Michael Jackson told him all along

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Where to begin.

1. The grand jury was in March-May 1994. By that time Pellicano no longer worked for MJ
so he couldn't possibly have coached Wade for his grand jury testimony. When he resigned
there wasn't any grand jury empanelled and no grand jury subpoena to Wade or anyone.

Investigator, Lawyer Quit Jackson's Defense Team
December 22, 1993|JIM NEWTON and SONIA NAZARIO | TIMES STAFF WRITERS

Two controversial members of Michael Jackson's defense team--a lawyer who blundered in court and a private investigator whose tactics and public comments drew fire--have resigned from the case as Jackson continues to battle allegations that he sexually molested a young boy.

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-12-22/local/me-4447_1_michael-jackson

2. If Wade didn't want to testify why not? Does Finaldi say that Wade knew MJ was guilty and didn't want to lie under oath to protect
a molester? Doesn't that prove that Wade was fully aware that what MJ did was wrong, even at age 11
so he cannot claim that before 2012 May he saw nothing wrong with what MJ did. They just can't have it both ways.

3. If Wade didn't want to testify didn't that make Joy Robson suspicious? How did Wade explain that
after he defended MJ to the police and on TV? He just didn't explain it at all? Wouldn't she, who believed MJ was innocent and who wanted to help him and willingly testified, wonder why Wade didn't want to do it? And if a lawyer coached him didn't his mother know about that? Didn't she find THAT suspicious at all? Wouldn't that make her question Mj's innocence? Would she keep defending
MJ after that and let her son sleep in a bed with him? No way. It's just not plausible. Unless they want to say
that Joy Robson was a pimp, which of course they don't say.

4. Of course it wasn't Wade who didn't want to testify.
According to his complaint it was his mother who didn't want him to testify.

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Given that Robson says his mother knew nothing and really believed MJ was innocent, and given
the fact that she herself testified to defend him what explanation will they come up with?
She didn't want Wade to testify because she knew he was abused and didn't want him to lie under oath
or didn't want to expose MJ?
She knew MJ was molesting her son and let him sleep with him and kept defending and praising MJ?
That would totally contradict what Wade says, namely that nobody knew he was being abused
except him and MJ.

What a mess.


5. If the compromise was to make Robson testify privately not in front of a full Grand Jury panel that clearly shows Joy Robson
had issues with the circumstances of Wade testimony not with him testifying at all.


6. Wade does not mention any lawyer "telling him exactly what to say" just that MJ selected, hired the lawyer who represented
him in relation to his Grand Jury subpoena.

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There is no way to tell a client exactly what to say when the lawyer cannot possibly know what questions the prosecutor would ask.
Most 11 year old would crumble under prolonged questioning unless they tell the truth, which Robson did.
But if that lawyer had tried to coach him that would mean he knew he was abused and wanted him to lie under oath.
How come they don't name him then? If they are mad at the companies for covering up for a child molester
don't they want to expose a lawyer who did the same and coached a minor to commit repeated perjuries?

7. The only person Wade names as a "coach" is MJ and supposedly the coaching took place
right after the Chandler allegations surfaced which would be Aug 23 1993.

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Putting aside the absurdity that MJ would coach Robson like that and while being concerned that "they were listening"
the Chandler allegations surfaced on Aug 23 1993. A guilty person would have been concerned what his victims would tell the police after July 9 when MJ first heard the Chandler-Schwarz tape but at least after Aug 4 when Evan Chandler
threatened to ruin him. We know from Culkin that MJ was fully aware that the Chandlers could accuse him and he did call Culkin
before Aug 23 but not to coach him just to tell him that the allegations were not true:

11 Q. In 1993, were you aware of the allegations while they were going on?
13 A. Michael had called me about a month or so, or maybe a couple of weeks before the allegations
15 hit the press. And he let me know that some people
16 were going to be saying something, and they were
17 absolutely untrue, and, “Don’t worry about it. I
18 just need you to be my friend right now.” And I
19 said, “Absolutely.”

That a guilty person who knows about the allegations a month before they make news would wait until then to ensure that his victims tell the right thing to the police is absurd.

8. Only Robson claims that MJ coached him on the phone after the Chandler news broke.
How come he didn't do that with Francia, Safechuck, Culkin, Barnes, Spence if he abused them
wasn't he concerned that they would spill the beans? He was only concerned about Robson?
Francia never said that MJ called him and coached him after Aug 17 or Aug 23 1993 let alone July 9 1993 and Safechuck doesn't claim that either. It just makes no sense because it never happened. MJ probably called Robson the same way he called Culkin.
He didn't coach him in any way.


9. "When finally brought in for questioning"??
Finally? He was interviewed by the police soon after Aug 17 before Aug 27 for sure, according to Wade's complaint.
And he was not brought in for questioning. The police visited Robson's home.
His mother testified that she didn't want the police interview him while she was not present because
she was concerned about possible manipulation.

10 Q. Do you remember the Los Angeles Police Department coming to your apartment?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. And you didn’t give them a statement either, did you?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. You gave them a very brief one and then said you had to go somewhere. Isn’t that what happened?
18 A. No, they were trying to interview Wade without me and I told them they were not to do that.
20 Q. Was there some concern on your part that trained law enforcement officers shouldn’t talk to
22 somebody who could possibly be a suspect (sic) of a crime?
24 A. I was concerned of manipulation.
25 Q. That the consequence, law enforcement would manipulate your son?
27 A. Absolutely.
28 Q. You felt that your son could be manipulated easily?
2 A. No, but I wasn’t going to take that chance.
3 He was ten.
4 Q. You weren’t concerned about the fact that the defendant in this case, Mr. Jackson, might
6 manipulate your son?
7 A. No concern at all that he would manipulate my son.
9 Q. But two law enforcement officers, you thought they would?
11 A. Possibly. I don’t know them. I know Mr. Jackson.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's disgusting how they make a mockery of this whole thing. Since when was abuse to be debated in the public eye with a cash prize attached at the end of it all. but if he mentions charity its all supposed to be okay. Like a game show. Because that's what this whole thing is to WR & his lawyers. One big sleazy game show.

So it sounds as if he's going after TMez now. Couldn't drag the estate out so we'll slander TMez's reputation, maybe he'll bite. I hope he doesn't as it will just give them what they want.
Isn't the public sick and tired of this kind of drivel that's being put out there in the name of "entertainment?" The more sensational and salacious they can make it, the better. Usually this kind of stuff finally blows up in its face and the public won't take it anymore. The recent low of Jonbenet Ramey's case being discussed on network TV and actually naming her brother as the killer (by Jim Clemente on the panel) even though some other male's DNA was actually found on her. Quite disgusting-CBS really should be ashamed. And so should anybody who listens to this trash of a radio show. I really hope Tom doesn't do it, but attorneys have the biggest egos of all-and I'm afraid he'll bite. (And by the way, Wiki is FULL of information about the abuse cases-way too much, IMO, with a lot of false info slanted towards the Chandlers that came from the NBC show that ran during the Arvizo trial).


I believe Sony is behind all of this!!!

And it's not a coincidence that John branca sold Mike's catalogue especially when he said he was never ever gonna do that...think bout it guys!
If you THINK about it, it's classic conspiracy theory, tin foil hat stuff. Why in the world would Sony be behind this, or kill Michael for the catalogue and then wait 7 years to buy it. If Sony really wanted that catalogue that bad, they could have had it in 2006 or 2007 for a heck of a lot less.
And yes, Branca said they weren't going to sell-how LONG AGO was that 60 minutes interview? Years. Things change. I have no doubt that he was taken by surprise that Sony triggered the clause that forced the sale-Sony has been talking about dumping the publishing arm for a few years anyway, so why should they suddenly decide they want the whole thing.
And you think Sony put Wade up to this? People also thought AEG put Wade up to it. The biggest problem Michael had after Thriller exploded is that no one could quit talking about how many records he broke, and how much money he was making. They still do it today. I know they're proud of it, but at the same time, it just makes you vulnerable to the many millions of GREEDY JEALOUS people out there that all want some and figure out a way to get it. Chandlers, Wade, etc. etc. etc.
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^

I'm amazed at fans tendency to blame anyone but Wade for this.
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I hope that Tom doesn't debate with that fool it not even worth it.


I hope too. Not the least because he is not knowledgeable about this case.
The only thing he ever brings up is Robson's 2005 testimony
that is not enough to defeat someone like Finaldi.
If he goes on that show he will be asked and if he doesn't give a strong answer pointing out all the nonsense
contradictions lies nasty tactics of Robson and his lawyers he could do more harm than good.
 

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Thanks Ivy for your transcript.

Vince Finaldi: You know what I can say number one is, hang tight and watch the press in about 2 - 3 weeks. That’s all I’m going to say about that.

Not surprise at all but rather predictable tactic from Wade's camp.
Didn't judge B said in 1 case that not all printed in the media is true, so I go by that.

When the first article appear in the media, it should be copied here so fans don't need to go on those sites and give Wade's camp what they are after.
They want media attention, but if media outlets don't get clicks, their attempt to tarnish MJ in the media is snipped to bud.
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Vince Finaldi: Well the Wade Robson case we are preparing for a trial. That’s his most important concern is to let the world know the true facts that occurred behind the scenes and what really happened. Because the whole record that’s been written on Michael Jackson is largely false. And it’s been scrubbed and cleaned over the years since his passage. You go on his Wikipedia page, it doesn’t say a single thing about child sexual abuse. That’s the most important thing. Looking forward to that.

If VF researching skills are as bad as he displays there, then I don't think he is very good at what he is supposed to do. I guess he has had easy ride with schools and churches as they basically settle straight away, but not this time. All he is trying to do, is to try this case in the tabloids.

In that short radio interview, he manages to flip flop more than once, sometimes MJ is the boss, sometimes he is the employee:scratch:

This is my impression of this case
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I believe Sony is behind all of this!!!

And it's not a coincidence that John branca sold Mike's catalogue especially when he said he was never ever gonna do that...think bout it guys!

I really... really hope for your sake this is an attempt at sarcasm...
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's disgusting how they make a mockery of this whole thing. Since when was abuse to be debated in the public eye with a cash prize attached at the end of it all. but if he mentions charity its all supposed to be okay. Like a game show. Because that's what this whole thing is to WR & his lawyers. One big sleazy game show.

So it sounds as if he's going after TMez now. Couldn't drag the estate out so we'll slander TMez's reputation, maybe he'll bite. I hope he doesn't as it will just give them what they want.
Tmez will eat him alive. Tmez speak with facts whereas these idiots speaks with lies. That is very clear.
 

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Tmez will eat him alive. Tmez speak with facts whereas these idiots speaks with lies. That is very clear.

It is clear to us. IMHO, to talk with a fool is to make a fool of yourself. It can be unfortunate situation when Tmez will have to prove that he is talking with facts and it really not worth it, especially because the more attention the better for Wade. They want media attention.
 

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It is clear to us. IMHO, to talk with a fool is to make a fool of yourself. It can be unfortunate situation when Tmez will have to prove that he is talking with facts and it really not worth it, especially because the more attention the better for Wade. They want media attention.

Exactly not worth it it all to get attention for Wade and you know the media will pick it up if it is Tom.

If anyone can get in contact with Tom they need to let him know it is a setup.
 

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I dont think he needs to be told.
 

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Mez is not a human lol! he is a seemingly perfect defense lawyer, he speaks in one tone and when he show emotion he speaks pure logic... He's a lawer robot a "law-bot' ..

I wouldn't even want to debate with him about my own life.. lol
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So they are threatening the estate with another smear campaign. They obviously have no case.
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I would not put it beyond them to arrange for an interview with Wade and safe@ck at some tv station. at this stage all odds are against them, their only way to get this case to the trial stage is by putting pressure on the judge by trying this case in the court of public opinion, but people are already fed up with those allegations and nothing is going to create the backlash against the estate and Mj they so desperately need to pressure the judge.
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

With all due respect to Meserau, but he gave some unfortunate interviews based on the Robson-case and he showed himself not informed about the state of the case. He did not follow any court-documents. I hope he will not restart the settlement- talk again
 

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Copy & paste lawyering from their previous cases of schools & churches
will get them far LOL!
Mez need not stoop to their level let alone take the bait.
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If you THINK about it, it's classic conspiracy theory, tin foil hat stuff. Why in the world would Sony be behind this, or kill Michael for the catalogue and then wait 7 years to buy it.

I've never quite understood the notion that Sony killed MJ.
To me that's taking the blame away from the monster that really is responsible.
No one is to blame for Michael's death but Conrat Murderer, and this is coming from someone that strongly dislikes Sony, so no taking up for Sony here.
Just putting the blame where it really lies.
Do I believe the Sony did some other messed up ish to MJ?
Yes I do.
Do I believe they killed MJ.
Hell no, LOL.
 
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With all due respect to Meserau, but he gave some unfortunate interviews based on the Robson-case and he showed himself not informed about the state of the case. He did not follow any court-documents. I hope he will not restart the settlement- talk again
True. Main reason I don't want him near it. Besides he's better than these ambulance chasers.


So they are threatening the estate with another smear campaign. They obviously have no case.
Quite obvious. It's OVER .
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I've been wondering about the possible 'significance' of 'watch the press in 2-3 weeks'. Surely they are not aiming for some announcement on Halloween weekend? Do they think that somehow they will stop people celebrating with 'Thriller'? Very desperate if so.
 

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^ Maybe they plan to leak parts of Wade's deposition. Strictly the most salacious cherry-picked parts, of course, without showing how they are getting refuted. As usual.

They are trying to justify their media whoring by making this nonsensical claim that somehow the allegations against MJ have been swept under the rug. Once again they took some textbook case that they usually work on against no-name teachers or priests and are trying to fit MJ into those. Except there haven't been any more public allegations than the ones against MJ. The whole world knows about them so what's there to beat the drums for? Only for Robson and Safechuck's self-serving reasons - ie. for the hope of getting a settlement. They are way too transparent with the game they play.
 
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