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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
I think this last paragraph is very telling. All these people were very possessive of Michael. They wanted to own him. When he didn't let them they became vindictive. Remember how the only time Gavin got upset on the stand was when he talked about how MJ avoided them? (Isn't it usually the other way around? Molested kids trying to avoid their molesters, not chasing them...) And here Jordan talks about the wrong thing in it being that MJ would have eventually dumped him. (I guess that Michael had such a "pattern" was told to them by Victor Gutierrez. Not true. Many of these kids remained his friends into adulthood.) And maybe this Wade case is another story of feeling entitled to everything that is Michael, if the rumours about the Cirque show are true.

Blanca Francia too was possessive of Michael. Another former maid, Francin Orosco said: "You could tell a lot that she had a little crush on him, very jealous of the other housekeepers. She didn't want no one close to Michael. There's a lot of jealousy there." And then she was fired and then, when the Chandler case came on she took her revenge.
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She sounds like Karen F.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Does anyone know if firstly the information outlined by the complainant filed against the Estate can be released in all its pathetic gory detail to the public/press despite its requests to be sealed and if secondly who would be the most likely candidate/s to make the information public? For example, if say Katherine were to talk publicly about the information would she be held liable for her actions or is this allowed as its the Estate who have been dealt with this legal writ? Finally, would any persons (if identified) be at risk in a criminal sense for making the information public?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It makes me sick to have him in the MJ opus. He wrote a whole page, right? Maybe I should take that big book out and read his words again.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Has anyone seen this and is this his own words?
http://wadej-r.livejournal.com

I guess I've done it again. This time though, I really don't care if I'm hurting anyone. The only two people who matter in all of this is Britney and me. I don't care if I'm going out with a reputation as being a "girlfriend stealer" or "celebrity whore". Doesn't matter to me. Any press and publicity you give me is good for my career and pads my pockets.

Right now, I'm with Britney. She needs my attention. Who better to help nurse a dancer back to health than a dancer. We're doing the hot and cold compresses and keeping it elevated till she can get an MRI done tomorrow morning. That's right. I'll be here for that too. Don't like it? -------> There's the door.
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Bubs said:
Has anyone seen this and is this his own words?
http://wadej-r.livejournal.com

I guess I've done it again. This time though, I really don't care if I'm hurting anyone. The only two people who matter in all of this is Britney and me. I don't care if I'm going out with a reputation as being a "girlfriend stealer" or "celebrity whore". Doesn't matter to me. Any press and publicity you give me is good for my career and pads my pockets.

Right now, I'm with Britney. She needs my attention. Who better to help nurse a dancer back to health than a dancer. We're doing the hot and cold compresses and keeping it elevated till she can get an MRI done tomorrow morning. That's right. I'll be here for that too. Don't like it? -------> There's the door.
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if it is him, then oh boy, he sure does sound like a man broken down with recent memory of childhood abuse :smilerolleyes:
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

seany said:
I believe that Journal you have referred to is not actually his journal and its all in fact fictitious.
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Right. I think it's a fake account. There's also a "Lance Bass" and a "Justin Timberlake" on that journal replying to him.

http://wadej-r.livejournal.com/32259.html


There's also a Chantal Robson journal though. This one seems more real. So I don't know...

http://chantal-ro.livejournal.com/
 
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la_cienega;3822070 said:
Joy Robson told June Chandler that kids would often get jealous when MJ spent more time with other kids instead of them, like they'd been replaced. June claimed this conversation "disturbed" her.
This didn't sit well with me when I first read about it and now that all this shit has happened just makes me realise that Joy Robson was just as opportunistic as many others that have been in Michael's life.

Here's Sneddon's summary in the '05 trial:

"When June Chandler arrived at the ranch, she did indeed meet Joy Robson. Robson said to her, “You know, this is a very similar pattern that Michael does. He endears himself to the family. If he likes the little boy, he gets family to adore him.” She warned that Jordan would get dumped just like her son Wade.

Joy Robson continued by telling Mrs. Chandler that she was in the United States to get a record contract for her son and that she wanted Michael Jackson to sign Wade to a record contract with his company."

That, to me, seems like Joy didn't really care about Michael, seems like she cared what Michael could do to help her and her son.
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If mj dumped wade (like joy said according to sneddon), how wade could be molested until 96?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
Right. I think it's a fake account. There's also a "Lance Bass" and a "Justin Timberlake" on that journal replying to him.

http://wadej-r.livejournal.com/32259.html


There's also a Chantal Robson journal though. This one seems more real. So I don't know...

http://chantal-ro.livejournal.com/
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Yeah, right, it's fake:
Drop the whole wade being gay thing please! it's ****ing retarded and he is dating a girl named Amanda. Get with it, that's just ****ing dumb.

wadej_r
July 26 2004, 15:52:48 UTC


I don't play him gay. I play Wade straight. He was with Britney for over a year before now dating a few other girls. Don't jump to conclusions.
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http://wadej-r.livejournal.com/34342.html
 
Tinkerbell88;3822130 said:
Here's Sneddon's summary in the '05 trial:

"When June Chandler arrived at the ranch, she did indeed meet Joy Robson. Robson said to her, “You know, this is a very similar pattern that Michael does. He endears himself to the family. If he likes the little boy, he gets family to adore him.” She warned that Jordan would get dumped just like her son Wade.
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yet that didn't raise a red flag in her mind as to why that was? With that in mind, she never once asked her son if anything weird had happened?

And she still went under oath and testified in Michael's defense?
 
Tinkerbell88;3822130 said:
Joy Robson told June Chandler that kids would often get jealous when MJ spent more time with other kids instead of them, like they'd been replaced. June claimed this conversation "disturbed" her.

This didn't sit well with me when I first read about it and now that all this shit has happened just makes me realise that Joy Robson was just as opportunistic as many others that have been in Michael's life.

Here's Sneddon's summary in the '05 trial:

"When June Chandler arrived at the ranch, she did indeed meet Joy Robson. Robson said to her, “You know, this is a very similar pattern that Michael does. He endears himself to the family. If he likes the little boy, he gets family to adore him.” She warned that Jordan would get dumped just like her son Wade.

Joy Robson continued by telling Mrs. Chandler that she was in the United States to get a record contract for her son and that she wanted Michael Jackson to sign Wade to a record contract with his company."

That, to me, seems like Joy didn't really care about Michael, seems like she cared what Michael could do to help her and her son.
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Here's Joy's testimony

Sneddon:

5 Q. Okay. Do you recall a conversation in which

6 you told June Chandler that some day Jordan was

7 going to be replaced by another one of Michael

8 Jackson’s friends?

9 A. Yes.

19 Q. And in a conversation you told June Chandler

20 that with these special friends, that when Mr.

21 Jackson moves on to the next special friend, that it

22 has a tremendous emotional impact on the children

23 when they’re no longer the favorite, correct?

24 A. As does everybody when they lose a friend.

25 Q. I’m sorry?

26 A. As does everyone if you lose a friend or a

27 friend becomes friendly with somebody else.


Mesereau:


17 Q. Now, the prosecutor asked you questions

18 about children being jealous if Michael Jackson had

19 another friend who was a child. Do you remember

20 those questions?

21 A. Yes.

22 Q. Please tell the jury what you meant.

23 A. It’s like any child who has a favorite uncle

24 or someone in the family that everyone wants to be

25 around.

26 And Michael’s the sort of person that

27 everybody wants to be around. He has that sort of

28 aura. So naturally, when he was spending time with 9267

1 one child, another child would be jealous. It’s the

2 same in any family, if you spend time with one child

3 more than the other.

7 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: The prosecutor asked you

8 questions about Michael Jackson having special

9 friends who were children. Do you remember that?

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. And what did you mean by that?

12 A. Well, you know, there would be people who

13 would spend time with him at particular times more

14 so than others.

15 It didn’t mean that he didn’t still spend

16 time with all of them. They were all friends of

17 his. But when he spent particularly more time with

18 one than the other, then they were special for the

19 time.

26 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: And have you seen children

27 from time to time get jealous because Mr. Jackson is

28 being nice to another child? 9268

1 A. Yes.

2 Q. Has that ever appeared unusual to you?

3 A. Not at all.

4 Q. Did you ever see something that you thought

5 was very suspicious when one child would get jealous

6 of Mr. Jackson’s attention to another child?

7 A. No, I think that’s normal with children.

8 Q. When you used the term ‘special friends,’

9 what did you mean?

10 A. I think just the one that he was spending

11 time with for now. That he considered all of his

12 friends special.

13 I don’t know why I would have said that.

14 I don’t remember saying ‘special.’ But I imagine it

15 would have meant just the child that he was spending

16 time with now.

17 Q. When you used the term ‘special friends,’

18 did you mean to suggest anything criminal was going

19 on?

20 A. Absolutely not. There’s nothing — no — nothing necessarily

of a

6 bad connotation in that.


It sounds like a Corey Feldman thing of getting jealous about MJ not being there for just them anymore.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

marc_vivien said:
If mj dumped wade (like joy said according to sneddon), how wade could be molested until 96?
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Exactly what I was just thinking. :doh: Smdh.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That journal is indeed fake. When people brought it up on Twitter I did some searching and it is part of some kind of (now no longer existing) role playing website called aftercelebrity.com, where people portray a celebrity for a period of time. Just look at the comments under the (already bizarre) messages. Everybody from Justin Timberlake to Britney Spears is supposedly replying there.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No need to try to understand these lies, everybody know it's for money. And let's say the truth, nobody believe that, I think Robson and his lawyers understood that, reading all the reactions from MJ's fans and tabloids or medias so far.

Robson is lost, and he knows it. He payed the wrong card, now he gonna pay for that. The Estate gonna destroy this moron and his stupid lawyers.It will be fun to see that.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

i so hope the estate leak everything and destroy him. for once i wanna see some real justice
 
Tinkerbell88;3822130 said:
la_cienega;3822070 said:
Joy Robson told June Chandler that kids would often get jealous when MJ spent more time with other kids instead of them, like they'd been replaced. June claimed this conversation "disturbed" her.
This didn't sit well with me when I first read about it and now that all this shit has happened just makes me realise that Joy Robson was just as opportunistic as many others that have been in Michael's life.

Here's Sneddon's summary in the '05 trial:

"When June Chandler arrived at the ranch, she did indeed meet Joy Robson. Robson said to her, “You know, this is a very similar pattern that Michael does. He endears himself to the family. If he likes the little boy, he gets family to adore him.” She warned that Jordan would get dumped just like her son Wade.

Joy Robson continued by telling Mrs. Chandler that she was in the United States to get a record contract for her son and that she wanted Michael Jackson to sign Wade to a record contract with his company."

That, to me, seems like Joy didn't really care about Michael, seems like she cared what Michael could do to help her and her son.
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We cannot judge Mrs Robson based on what Sneddon said June Chandler said! She explains it differently in her direct testimony.
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^^ I agree using Sneddon's words (Michael's prosecutor) as Fact of what actually happened is very odd IMO.
Would we also use Sneddon's words about Michael as fact .. or just as his words suites ones agenda.
Best to use the actual testimony of June or Joy on record would be better.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

elusive moonwalker said:
i so hope the estate leak everything and destroy him. for once i wanna see some real justice
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Amen. WR is lower than Jordan and Gavin. They were adolescents, following the orders of their parents. WR is a grown man, who knows exactly what impact these allegations have.

I hope the estate tears him apart.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^And made Michael believe and to us also he had his back, it was good friend and doing it now when Michael can't even defend himself, besides low, it's absolutely coward and despicable. :angry:
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

In that motion Robson's lawyer cites CCP 340.1

Here it is: http://www.oclaw.org/research/code/ca/CCP/340.1./content.html#.UY-muUo07Fw

(a)In an action for recovery of damages suffered as a result of childhood sexual abuse, the time for commencement of the action shall be within eight years of the date the plaintiff attains the age of majority or within three years of the date the plaintiff discovers or reasonably should have discovered that psychological injury or illness occurring after the age of majority was caused by the sexual abuse, whichever period expires later, for any of the following actions:
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On the other hand there is that code which says creditor's claims must be filed within a year of the death of the person. So which code is "stronger"?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No matter how kind you can be to people....there's always gonna be that few that try and tear you down. I'm sorry Michael :'(
 
'Dance Crew' Judge Shane Sparks
I BELIEVE
WADE ROBSON


Former "America's Best Dance Crew" judge Shane Sparks -- a convicted statutory rapist -- has Wade Robson's back ... telling TMZ, he believes Michael Jackson molested the choreographer.


TMZ broke the story ... Wade has filed a claim with the MJ Estate, alleging the King of Pop molested him for 7 years, from the time he was 7 until he turned 14.


Shane tells TMZ, "I've been knowing Wade forever. Because of the man he is, I do believe him. I don't think he would lie about this because this could hurt him ... He don’t need the publicity or the money. I think this is something that has been on his mind and he had to get it off."


Shane tells us, a big clue emerged soon after he met Wade, who was not much older than 7 at the time.


According to Shane, Wade's tiny apartment was filled with ridiculously expensive electronics -- mixing boards, beat machines, video games, and other "rich kid" toys ... all of which were gifts from Michael.


Shane says Wade was so tight with MJ, he was allowed to host birthday parties at Neverland Ranch without Michael present -- and the only room that was off limits was Michael's bedroom.


Background on Shane, a self-professed MJ fan ... back in 2011, he was convicted of having unlawful sex with a minor under 16.


TMZ





effin' kidding me??... What the H*ll is going on? I cant believe Shane. I dont.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The guy was done for molestation himself. he wants a poster boy like guiterrez and world of wonder.

re that law above what about thelaw where u have to file within 69 or 90 days for it to be valid
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

earthlyme said:
'Dance Crew' Judge Shane Sparks
I BELIEVE
WADE ROBSON


TMZ


Former "America's Best Dance Crew" judge Shane Sparks -- a convicted statutory rapist
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I stopped reading there.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Are we supposed to know who this Shane Sparks person is?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He was actually convicted for child molestation himself. He should keep his mouth shut. Jesus wept. These fools are everywhere.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade is a f****** piece of s***

That is all.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
In that motion Robson's lawyer cites CCP 340.1

Here it is: http://www.oclaw.org/research/code/ca/CCP/340.1./content.html#.UY-muUo07Fw



On the other hand there is that code which says creditor's claims must be filed within a year of the death of the person. So which code is "stronger"?
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http://www.californiatrustestateand...of-a-defendant-can-be-fatal-to-a-lawsuit-too/


Death is final. And when a person who is a party to a lawsuit dies, death can be final for the opposing party too unless they take action quickly.


Dead people cannot be sued by law. Therefore, any claims against a decedent (including those already in progress by way of an existing lawsuit) must be brought in the decedent's estate. By estate, I am referring to a probate estate. This is true even where a decedent died with everything he owns held in a Trust. Why the probate estate? Because that is where all claims against a decedent must start.


And there are two very important deadlines you must remember when trying to preserve a claim against a decedent. First, is the overall one-year statute of limitations under CCP 366.2. This harsh rule states that any claims against a decedent must be brought within a year of the decedent's death or they are forever barred. This is true even though the statute of limitations would have been longer had the person survived. For example, the statute of limitations for breach of a written contract is 4 years, but if the breaching party dies, then the statute is cut down to a one year limit. And this rule applies regardless of whether you knew the person died or not!


Second, if a decedent dies and his heirs/beneficiaries open a probate estate, then any creditor has only 4 months from the date an executor is officially appointed to file a claim in probate.
 
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