LindavG
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Who says that about a man who supposedly abused you for 7 years?
By the way, I read the whole article, what a GREAT way to defend Michael Jackson. Thank you Joe Vogel!
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Who says that about a man who supposedly abused you for 7 years?
By the way, I read the whole article, what a GREAT way to defend Michael Jackson. Thank you Joe Vogel!
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loveforever;3825300 said:
Thats for sure..., completely.
gerryevans;3825304 said:
THATS IT! Somebody should (re)search his history if there is something about any drugs, his mental breakdown aftermath... and the background of his PRIVATE LIFE!
Thats why we - the MJ Fans, or some of us, not only on this board, should join our forces and all the info we have ever gathered - the 1993 and 2003 cases, trial, and everything between..., especially Wades testimonies, all available (mainly youtube) videos, articles, put it on one place/blog or website, and provide all the info with the lawyer(s) who will be managing in this MJ Estate/MJ defence, or maybe T-Mez!
We can expect more self-titled victims of "molestation", we can expect the media frenzy if the civil trial is approved, and we have to fiáght for Michael, and the justice, who else can defend Michael in this new world - the internet!
Maybe there is a fan-a lawyer who could explain us the details about the civil cases...
GUYS, REMEMBER, BE ACTIVE AND DEFEND MICHAEL, USE ALL THE INFO WE DO KNOW ABOUT THE CASES 1993/2003-2005, copy and download everything relevant and spread it all over the internert! Show the MJ haters our FANPOWER
http://michaeljacksonvindication2.wordpress.com/
http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/veritas-project/
http://www.joevogel.net/michael-jackson-delayed-allegations-and-witch-hunts
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
I know I'm late but I just have to say how proud and full of respect for Taj I am! What a brave honerable young man he is. God bless him.
I know I'm late but I just have to say how proud and full of respect for Taj I am! What a brave honerable young man he is. God bless him.
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Michael Jackson, Delayed Allegations and Witch Hunts
By JOEL VOGEL on May,17 2013
When Michael Jackson died unexpectedly in June of 2009, then-26-year-old choreographer Wade Robson – who has recently made headlines for accusing the pop star of molestation – wrote about his longtime friend and mentor:
Michael Jackson changed the world and, more personally, my life forever. He is the reason I dance, the reason I make music, and one of the main reasons I believe in the pure goodness of humankind. He has been a close friend of mine for 20 years. His music, his movement, his personal words of inspiration and encouragement and his unconditional love will live inside of me forever. I will miss him immeasurably, but I know that he is now at peace and enchanting the heavens with a melody and a moonwalk.
Such a gushing statement came as no surprise to those who knew Robson’s backstory. During Jackson’s Bad World Tour in 1987, five-year-old Robson won a local dance competition in Australia. The reward was attending a backstage meet-and-greet with the King of Pop and the opportunity to join his idol on stage at the end of the concert.
Two years passed before Robson saw Jackson again. This time he was performing at Disneyland when his mother, Joy, decided to reach out to Jackson’s secretary to see if they could meet again. Jackson allowed the Robson family to visit him at the recording studio at Record One where he was working on his Dangerous album. He also invited them to stay at his Neverland Ranch. This hospitality was not unusual for Jackson. Around this same time, Jackson also spent countless hours at his Ranch with AIDS victim, Ryan White, who had been shunned, taunted and bullied at his school in Kokomo, Indiana. “Those trips to California kept me going,” Ryan White said. Similar positive experiences have been shared by hundreds of others.
Not long after their visit to Neverland, the Robson family decided to move to California to allow Wade and his sister, Chantal, more opportunities in the entertainment industry. Over the subsequent years, a friendship blossomed between the Robsons and Jackson. Wade Robson was ambitious and talented, and Jackson took on the role of mentor, teaching him the nuances of his craft and signing him to his MJJ Productions label. Jackson also gave him small parts in his music videos, including “Black or White.”
Robson went on to have a successful career in the industry, choreographing for the likes of Britney Spears and ‘N Sync, and later having his work showcased on shows like So You Think You Can Dance. In 2005, he married Hawaii native Amanda Rodriguez.
That same year, Robson, who had every reason to avoid the circus that was the 2005 Michael Jackson child molestation trial, decided to testify under oath about his experiences with the singer. First questioned by Jackson’s attorney Thomas Mesereau and then under rigorous cross-examination, Robson matter-of-factly gave his account of his time with the artist. Robson repeatedly and adamantly denied being molested or of any other inappropriate sexual activity.
After Jackson was acquitted of all charges a few months later, Wade Robson’s mother Joy spoke of their family’s relief about the verdict. “We were crying and screaming and crying and screaming…We all believed ultimately the truth would come out…I’ve always said to Michael, ‘I wished the world could know the Michael we do.’”
Wade Robson invited Jackson to his wedding later that year, but Jackson decided not to attend because he did not want to turn the joyous occasion into a media circus.
Jackson and Robson, however, remained good friends. Whenever asked, Robson continued to praise Jackson as his biggest inspiration.
They last met in Las Vegas in 2008. Jackson was living there with his three children and Robson was working on a show in the city. “Me, my wife and him and his three kids had a barbecue,” recalled Robson. “It was the most normal thing in the world.”
It had been over twenty years since they first met, and Robson was still, by his own admission, completely unaffected by any past abuse or trauma. His life and career were thriving. He also seemed to have no concerns about Jackson’s own young children.
According to initial reports, Robson’s attorney, Henry Gradstein, claimed the reason his client lied under oath and continued to praise the pop star following his death was because the alleged abuse was a “repressed memory.” Repressed memories — instances in which an individual believes they have blocked or forgotten a traumatic event before “recovering” it years or decades later — has become a highly controversial subject in the field of psychology. According to the American Psychological Association, “experienced clinical psychologists state that the phenomenon of a recovered memory is rare (e.g., one experienced practitioner reported having a recovered memory arise only once in 20 years of practice).” The overwhelming consensus by experts is that such “memories” are not reliable without corroborating evidence. Dr. Richard McNally, Professor and Director of Clinical Training in the Department of Psychology at Harvard University, describes the phenomenon of belatedly recovered memories as “the most pernicious bit of folklore ever to infect psychology and psychiatry.”
In his interview with Matt Lauer on the Today Show, however, Robson claimed that that his memories of abuse were not repressed; he was simply unable to process it emotionally or psychologically.Robson claims that he was fully aware Jackson was a child abuser at the time of his 2005 trial, but decided to lie under oath because he didn’t yet realize what happened to him was wrong. But perhaps, one might assume, in the months or years to come he regretted his decision and went to authorities? At least to prevent further “victims”? No. Instead, he was barbecuing with MJ and family in 2008, and praising him without any pressure or prompt in 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012.
It goes without saying that accusations of abuse must always be taken seriously. When an individual has told one story very credibly and convincingly as an adult, however, and then suddenly changes it with no corroborating evidence (letters, photos, phone conversations, witnesses, etc.) to file a creditor’s claim, it deserves a healthy dose of skepticism. Believing such claims on faith can be dangerous, destroying lives and reputations with absolutely no proof beyond the accusation.
According to Wade Robson’s attorney, Henry Gradstein, it was sometime in 2012 when the choreographer had a mental breakdown, and “collapsed under the stress” of his recovered memory. Robson’s career had also taken a downturn with the choreographer mysteriously dropping out of many projects. Soon after, Robson decided to file a creditor’s claim against Jackson’s estate. Robson also filed a civil lawsuit in L.A. County Superior Court, in which he is reportedly targeting companies associated with Jackson. Whatever one makes of his allegations, then, they are not simply to heal. Robson clearly wants a payout.
In a statement, Howard Weitzman, an attorney representing Jackson’s estate, called Robson’s accusations “outrageous and pathetic…We are confident that the court will see this for what it is.”
Jackson’s attorney, Thomas Mesereau, feels Robson’s claims are shamelessly motivated by money, given the timing (a high-stakes trial between Jackson’s mother and concert promoter AEG Live, is currently being litigated) and the enormous amount of wealth the Jackson estate has generated since the singer’s death.
Regardless of one’s views of Jackson, Robson’s case raises serious questions about the nature and validity of decade-delayed allegations, especially when attached to money. Of course, some delayed allegations are real and are kept secret for entirely understandable reasons (including the safety of the victim). But according to psychological studies, many others are not credible and are created for a wide range of reasons.
Dr. Elizabeth F. Loftus, a renowned cognitive psychologist and human memory expert from the University of Washington, notes that these memories can often be triggered by therapist suggestion. “Some contemporary therapists have been known to tell patients, merely on the basis of a suggestive history or symptom profile, that they definitely had a traumatic experience…Once the ‘diagnosis’ is made, the therapist urges the patient to pursue the recalcitrant memories.”
Wade Robson, then, could very well believe he was abused even if it never happened.
Still, objectivity and fairness, should compel at least some burden of proof. Robson’s own family members have repeatedly defended Jackson over a period of twenty years. Were all of them completely oblivious to what happened until just months ago?
Numerous other individuals who were close to Jackson as children continue to defend him with no apparent incentive for doing so. Since the latest allegations, several people who visited Jackson’s Neverland Ranch as children, have once again spoken out in support of the artist, including Alfonso Ribeiro, Frank Cascio, Brett Barnes, and Jackson’s nephews, Taryll, T.J. and Taj Jackson.
In defense of his uncle, Taj Jackson wrote movingly on Twitter:
I will not sit back and let someone flat out lie about my uncle. PERIOD. I am writing these words knowing that the minute I press send, my life will never be the same afterwards…I was sexually abuse[d]. By an uncle on my mom’s side of the family when I was a kid. My uncle [Michael Jackson] was a support system for me and my mom. He wrote a letter to her that many have seen already, u just didn’t know what it was about. That is how I KNOW Wade is lying. Because I AM a survivor. My hands are still trembling. Don’t forget I was living at Neverland when Wade testified during my uncle’s case. I sat there and ate dinner with him and his family. I will not let them smear my Uncle’s legacy. I don’t want to go on TV. I don’t want publicity, I just want the truth. I hate that Wade made me do this, this way. But since my uncle Michael is no longer here to defend himself. I will.
The letter Taj Jackson referred to was written by Jackson some time in the 1990s. It reads:
Dee Dee Please read this article about child molestation and please read it to Taj, T.J., and Taryll, it brings out how even your own relatives can be molesters of children, or even uncles or aunts molesting nephews or nieces, please read. Love MJ.
Later faced with the public perception that he himself was a child molester, Jackson wrote these lyrics to an unreleased song, called “An Innocent Man”:
As an eccentric, wealthy man who opened his home to thousands of people, including disadvantaged and ill children, Jackson was an undeniably easy target. But is it conceivable that of the hundreds of children who spent time with him, only a handful were abused? Is it possible that after two unannounced, scouring searches of his homes, in 1993 and again in 2003, resulting in no child pornography or other corroborating evidence, that the artist was nonetheless masterfully hiding his true identity?
Or have we, as a society, conflated Jackson’s difference and eccentricity with criminality? In 2005, infotainment pundit Nancy Grace infamously deduced Jackson’s guilt from his strange appearance and childlike sensibility. It was inconceivable to her that a grown man would want to spend so much time with children without wanting to have sex with them.
No doubt, after hearing these latest accusations, some will likewise conclude that “where there is smoke there is fire.”
Jackson, of course, is no longer here to defend himself. The unacknowledged tragedy the fair-minded person must at least consider is this: the life and career of one of the most talented and creative artists of the past century was derailed and ultimately destroyed by allegations, innuendo, sensationalism and speculation, but <em>no concrete evidence and no witnesses or accusers who didn’t want money.
The term “witch hunt” is often used to describe the moral panic and hysteria caused by individuals who threaten our sense of normalcy, order and social assumptions. They must be disciplined or punished to allow people to feel safe, regardless of actual guilt or innocence. So, for example, in the Salem witch trials, women were profiled, accused and sentenced to death for a range of perceived “suspicious” behaviors or traits. Or, historically, African American men have been unfairly targeted and lynched because of myths and culturally-ingrained hysteria about their “predatory” intentions with white women (see D.W. Griffith’s The Birth of a Nation).
Over his lifetime (and now in death), Michael Jackson faced more frivolous lawsuits than any individual in American history. During the Thriller era, dozens of women claimed he was the father of their children. As recently as 2010, a woman named Billie Jean filed a $600 million paternity lawsuit against Jackson’s estate.
In 2010, part of Jackson’s FBI file was released under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) at the request of media, including British journalist Charles Thomson. “A lengthy report,” writes Thomson, “shows that when Jackson’s Neverland Ranch was raided in 2003, the FBI went over every computer seized from the property with a fine tooth comb looking for any incriminating files or internet activity. Jackson’s file contained individual summaries of the FBI’s findings for each of the 16 computers. Scrawled in capital letters across each of those 16 reports – ‘NOTHING’.”
Rolling Stone‘s Matt Taibbi, an incisive cultural critic with no investment whatsoever in Jackson’s legacy, described the 2005 court case against Jackson like this:
Ostensibly a story about bringing a child molester to justice, the Michael Jackson trial would instead be a kind of homecoming parade of insipid American types: grifters, suckers and no-talent schemers, mired in either outright unemployment…or the bogus non-careers of the information age, looking to cash in any way they can. The MC of the proceedings was District Attorney Tom Sneddon, whose metaphorical role in this American reality show was to represent the mean gray heart of the Nixonian Silent Majority – the bitter mediocrity itching to stick it to anyone who’d ever taken a vacation to Paris. The first month or so of the trial featured perhaps the most compromised collection of prosecution witnesses ever assembled in an American criminal case – almost to a man a group of convicted liars, paid gossip hawkers or worse…
In the next six weeks, virtually every piece of his case imploded in open court, and the chief drama of the trial quickly turned into a race to see if the DA could manage to put all of his witnesses on the stand without getting any of them removed from the courthouse in manacles. Sneddon’s hard-on for Jackson was a faith-based vengeance grab every bit as blind and desperate as George Bush’s “case” against Saddam Hussein…
Jackson, of course, was acquitted of all charges in 2005 after two grueling years of investigations, testimony and proceedings. Four years later, in 2009, after years of living as a cultural pariah, a vagabond drifting from country to country, he died at the age of fifty in Los Angeles. The silver lining, one assumed, was that at least his many troubles would end and the focus could return to his rich artistic legacy. But as long as big money is involved, it seems, the relentless stream of grifters will continue.
And in the court of public opinion, the Michael Jackson witch trial goes on.
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By JOEL VOGEL on May,17 2013
When Michael Jackson died unexpectedly in June of 2009, then-26-year-old choreographer Wade Robson – who has recently made headlines for accusing the pop star of molestation – wrote about his longtime friend and mentor:
Michael Jackson changed the world and, more personally, my life forever. He is the reason I dance, the reason I make music, and one of the main reasons I believe in the pure goodness of humankind. He has been a close friend of mine for 20 years. His music, his movement, his personal words of inspiration and encouragement and his unconditional love will live inside of me forever. I will miss him immeasurably, but I know that he is now at peace and enchanting the heavens with a melody and a moonwalk.
Such a gushing statement came as no surprise to those who knew Robson’s backstory. During Jackson’s Bad World Tour in 1987, five-year-old Robson won a local dance competition in Australia. The reward was attending a backstage meet-and-greet with the King of Pop and the opportunity to join his idol on stage at the end of the concert.
Two years passed before Robson saw Jackson again. This time he was performing at Disneyland when his mother, Joy, decided to reach out to Jackson’s secretary to see if they could meet again. Jackson allowed the Robson family to visit him at the recording studio at Record One where he was working on his Dangerous album. He also invited them to stay at his Neverland Ranch. This hospitality was not unusual for Jackson. Around this same time, Jackson also spent countless hours at his Ranch with AIDS victim, Ryan White, who had been shunned, taunted and bullied at his school in Kokomo, Indiana. “Those trips to California kept me going,” Ryan White said. Similar positive experiences have been shared by hundreds of others.
Not long after their visit to Neverland, the Robson family decided to move to California to allow Wade and his sister, Chantal, more opportunities in the entertainment industry. Over the subsequent years, a friendship blossomed between the Robsons and Jackson. Wade Robson was ambitious and talented, and Jackson took on the role of mentor, teaching him the nuances of his craft and signing him to his MJJ Productions label. Jackson also gave him small parts in his music videos, including “Black or White.”
Robson went on to have a successful career in the industry, choreographing for the likes of Britney Spears and ‘N Sync, and later having his work showcased on shows like So You Think You Can Dance. In 2005, he married Hawaii native Amanda Rodriguez.
That same year, Robson, who had every reason to avoid the circus that was the 2005 Michael Jackson child molestation trial, decided to testify under oath about his experiences with the singer. First questioned by Jackson’s attorney Thomas Mesereau and then under rigorous cross-examination, Robson matter-of-factly gave his account of his time with the artist. Robson repeatedly and adamantly denied being molested or of any other inappropriate sexual activity.
After Jackson was acquitted of all charges a few months later, Wade Robson’s mother Joy spoke of their family’s relief about the verdict. “We were crying and screaming and crying and screaming…We all believed ultimately the truth would come out…I’ve always said to Michael, ‘I wished the world could know the Michael we do.’”
Wade Robson invited Jackson to his wedding later that year, but Jackson decided not to attend because he did not want to turn the joyous occasion into a media circus.
Jackson and Robson, however, remained good friends. Whenever asked, Robson continued to praise Jackson as his biggest inspiration.
They last met in Las Vegas in 2008. Jackson was living there with his three children and Robson was working on a show in the city. “Me, my wife and him and his three kids had a barbecue,” recalled Robson. “It was the most normal thing in the world.”
It had been over twenty years since they first met, and Robson was still, by his own admission, completely unaffected by any past abuse or trauma. His life and career were thriving. He also seemed to have no concerns about Jackson’s own young children.
According to initial reports, Robson’s attorney, Henry Gradstein, claimed the reason his client lied under oath and continued to praise the pop star following his death was because the alleged abuse was a “repressed memory.” Repressed memories — instances in which an individual believes they have blocked or forgotten a traumatic event before “recovering” it years or decades later — has become a highly controversial subject in the field of psychology. According to the American Psychological Association, “experienced clinical psychologists state that the phenomenon of a recovered memory is rare (e.g., one experienced practitioner reported having a recovered memory arise only once in 20 years of practice).” The overwhelming consensus by experts is that such “memories” are not reliable without corroborating evidence. Dr. Richard McNally, Professor and Director of Clinical Training in the Department of Psychology at Harvard University, describes the phenomenon of belatedly recovered memories as “the most pernicious bit of folklore ever to infect psychology and psychiatry.”
In his interview with Matt Lauer on the Today Show, however, Robson claimed that that his memories of abuse were not repressed; he was simply unable to process it emotionally or psychologically.Robson claims that he was fully aware Jackson was a child abuser at the time of his 2005 trial, but decided to lie under oath because he didn’t yet realize what happened to him was wrong. But perhaps, one might assume, in the months or years to come he regretted his decision and went to authorities? At least to prevent further “victims”? No. Instead, he was barbecuing with MJ and family in 2008, and praising him without any pressure or prompt in 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012.
It goes without saying that accusations of abuse must always be taken seriously. When an individual has told one story very credibly and convincingly as an adult, however, and then suddenly changes it with no corroborating evidence (letters, photos, phone conversations, witnesses, etc.) to file a creditor’s claim, it deserves a healthy dose of skepticism. Believing such claims on faith can be dangerous, destroying lives and reputations with absolutely no proof beyond the accusation.
According to Wade Robson’s attorney, Henry Gradstein, it was sometime in 2012 when the choreographer had a mental breakdown, and “collapsed under the stress” of his recovered memory. Robson’s career had also taken a downturn with the choreographer mysteriously dropping out of many projects. Soon after, Robson decided to file a creditor’s claim against Jackson’s estate. Robson also filed a civil lawsuit in L.A. County Superior Court, in which he is reportedly targeting companies associated with Jackson. Whatever one makes of his allegations, then, they are not simply to heal. Robson clearly wants a payout.
In a statement, Howard Weitzman, an attorney representing Jackson’s estate, called Robson’s accusations “outrageous and pathetic…We are confident that the court will see this for what it is.”
Jackson’s attorney, Thomas Mesereau, feels Robson’s claims are shamelessly motivated by money, given the timing (a high-stakes trial between Jackson’s mother and concert promoter AEG Live, is currently being litigated) and the enormous amount of wealth the Jackson estate has generated since the singer’s death.
Regardless of one’s views of Jackson, Robson’s case raises serious questions about the nature and validity of decade-delayed allegations, especially when attached to money. Of course, some delayed allegations are real and are kept secret for entirely understandable reasons (including the safety of the victim). But according to psychological studies, many others are not credible and are created for a wide range of reasons.
Dr. Elizabeth F. Loftus, a renowned cognitive psychologist and human memory expert from the University of Washington, notes that these memories can often be triggered by therapist suggestion. “Some contemporary therapists have been known to tell patients, merely on the basis of a suggestive history or symptom profile, that they definitely had a traumatic experience…Once the ‘diagnosis’ is made, the therapist urges the patient to pursue the recalcitrant memories.”
Wade Robson, then, could very well believe he was abused even if it never happened.
Still, objectivity and fairness, should compel at least some burden of proof. Robson’s own family members have repeatedly defended Jackson over a period of twenty years. Were all of them completely oblivious to what happened until just months ago?
Numerous other individuals who were close to Jackson as children continue to defend him with no apparent incentive for doing so. Since the latest allegations, several people who visited Jackson’s Neverland Ranch as children, have once again spoken out in support of the artist, including Alfonso Ribeiro, Frank Cascio, Brett Barnes, and Jackson’s nephews, Taryll, T.J. and Taj Jackson.
In defense of his uncle, Taj Jackson wrote movingly on Twitter:
I will not sit back and let someone flat out lie about my uncle. PERIOD. I am writing these words knowing that the minute I press send, my life will never be the same afterwards…I was sexually abuse[d]. By an uncle on my mom’s side of the family when I was a kid. My uncle [Michael Jackson] was a support system for me and my mom. He wrote a letter to her that many have seen already, u just didn’t know what it was about. That is how I KNOW Wade is lying. Because I AM a survivor. My hands are still trembling. Don’t forget I was living at Neverland when Wade testified during my uncle’s case. I sat there and ate dinner with him and his family. I will not let them smear my Uncle’s legacy. I don’t want to go on TV. I don’t want publicity, I just want the truth. I hate that Wade made me do this, this way. But since my uncle Michael is no longer here to defend himself. I will.
The letter Taj Jackson referred to was written by Jackson some time in the 1990s. It reads:
Dee Dee Please read this article about child molestation and please read it to Taj, T.J., and Taryll, it brings out how even your own relatives can be molesters of children, or even uncles or aunts molesting nephews or nieces, please read. Love MJ.
Later faced with the public perception that he himself was a child molester, Jackson wrote these lyrics to an unreleased song, called “An Innocent Man”:
If I sail to Acapulco
Or Cancun, Mexico
There the law is waiting
And God knows that I’m innocent
If they won’t take me in Cairo
Then Lord where will I go?
I’ll die a man without a country
And only God knew I was innocent now.
Or Cancun, Mexico
There the law is waiting
And God knows that I’m innocent
If they won’t take me in Cairo
Then Lord where will I go?
I’ll die a man without a country
And only God knew I was innocent now.
As an eccentric, wealthy man who opened his home to thousands of people, including disadvantaged and ill children, Jackson was an undeniably easy target. But is it conceivable that of the hundreds of children who spent time with him, only a handful were abused? Is it possible that after two unannounced, scouring searches of his homes, in 1993 and again in 2003, resulting in no child pornography or other corroborating evidence, that the artist was nonetheless masterfully hiding his true identity?
Or have we, as a society, conflated Jackson’s difference and eccentricity with criminality? In 2005, infotainment pundit Nancy Grace infamously deduced Jackson’s guilt from his strange appearance and childlike sensibility. It was inconceivable to her that a grown man would want to spend so much time with children without wanting to have sex with them.
No doubt, after hearing these latest accusations, some will likewise conclude that “where there is smoke there is fire.”
Jackson, of course, is no longer here to defend himself. The unacknowledged tragedy the fair-minded person must at least consider is this: the life and career of one of the most talented and creative artists of the past century was derailed and ultimately destroyed by allegations, innuendo, sensationalism and speculation, but <em>no concrete evidence and no witnesses or accusers who didn’t want money.
The term “witch hunt” is often used to describe the moral panic and hysteria caused by individuals who threaten our sense of normalcy, order and social assumptions. They must be disciplined or punished to allow people to feel safe, regardless of actual guilt or innocence. So, for example, in the Salem witch trials, women were profiled, accused and sentenced to death for a range of perceived “suspicious” behaviors or traits. Or, historically, African American men have been unfairly targeted and lynched because of myths and culturally-ingrained hysteria about their “predatory” intentions with white women (see D.W. Griffith’s The Birth of a Nation).
Over his lifetime (and now in death), Michael Jackson faced more frivolous lawsuits than any individual in American history. During the Thriller era, dozens of women claimed he was the father of their children. As recently as 2010, a woman named Billie Jean filed a $600 million paternity lawsuit against Jackson’s estate.
In 2010, part of Jackson’s FBI file was released under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) at the request of media, including British journalist Charles Thomson. “A lengthy report,” writes Thomson, “shows that when Jackson’s Neverland Ranch was raided in 2003, the FBI went over every computer seized from the property with a fine tooth comb looking for any incriminating files or internet activity. Jackson’s file contained individual summaries of the FBI’s findings for each of the 16 computers. Scrawled in capital letters across each of those 16 reports – ‘NOTHING’.”
Rolling Stone‘s Matt Taibbi, an incisive cultural critic with no investment whatsoever in Jackson’s legacy, described the 2005 court case against Jackson like this:
Ostensibly a story about bringing a child molester to justice, the Michael Jackson trial would instead be a kind of homecoming parade of insipid American types: grifters, suckers and no-talent schemers, mired in either outright unemployment…or the bogus non-careers of the information age, looking to cash in any way they can. The MC of the proceedings was District Attorney Tom Sneddon, whose metaphorical role in this American reality show was to represent the mean gray heart of the Nixonian Silent Majority – the bitter mediocrity itching to stick it to anyone who’d ever taken a vacation to Paris. The first month or so of the trial featured perhaps the most compromised collection of prosecution witnesses ever assembled in an American criminal case – almost to a man a group of convicted liars, paid gossip hawkers or worse…
In the next six weeks, virtually every piece of his case imploded in open court, and the chief drama of the trial quickly turned into a race to see if the DA could manage to put all of his witnesses on the stand without getting any of them removed from the courthouse in manacles. Sneddon’s hard-on for Jackson was a faith-based vengeance grab every bit as blind and desperate as George Bush’s “case” against Saddam Hussein…
Jackson, of course, was acquitted of all charges in 2005 after two grueling years of investigations, testimony and proceedings. Four years later, in 2009, after years of living as a cultural pariah, a vagabond drifting from country to country, he died at the age of fifty in Los Angeles. The silver lining, one assumed, was that at least his many troubles would end and the focus could return to his rich artistic legacy. But as long as big money is involved, it seems, the relentless stream of grifters will continue.
And in the court of public opinion, the Michael Jackson witch trial goes on.
http://www.joevogel.net/michael-jack...nd-witch-hunts
Please, share this link MJFam!!GO!
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Mr Vogel's article is excellent! I have added my 2 cents worth and I would encourage others to do the same.
Mr Vogel's article is excellent! I have added my 2 cents worth and I would encourage others to do the same.
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Yes, defend MJ but make sure to do it as rationally as possible. Don't make it abundantly clear that you're speaking as a fan because it will damage your credibility. Don't link to sites like "vindicate MJ" because they will be seen as inherently biased. Focus on exposing the holes in Wade's arguments, don't get into a discussion about Michael as a person. People don't have to believe Michael was an angel, they just have to be convinced that he did not molest children.
Joe Vogel is an excellent example of how to defend Michael Jackson. His arguments will be hard to refute.
Yes, defend MJ but make sure to do it as rationally as possible. Don't make it abundantly clear that you're speaking as a fan because it will damage your credibility. Don't link to sites like "vindicate MJ" because they will be seen as inherently biased. Focus on exposing the holes in Wade's arguments, don't get into a discussion about Michael as a person. People don't have to believe Michael was an angel, they just have to be convinced that he did not molest children.
Joe Vogel is an excellent example of how to defend Michael Jackson. His arguments will be hard to refute.
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Exactly, qbee!!!
As TMez says in 2005 he was asked very specific questions which he denied. He cannot say now that he was "completely psychologically and emotionally unable and unwilling to understand" that he was abused. The questions he was asked were not about his interpretation of behaviour, but to determine whether or not some things happened.
He goes on in the tv interview by saying that in 2005 he "said what he understood and what was able to say", but again the concrete actual questions did not need any special understanding. :doh:
Exactly, qbee!!!
As TMez says in 2005 he was asked very specific questions which he denied. He cannot say now that he was "completely psychologically and emotionally unable and unwilling to understand" that he was abused. The questions he was asked were not about his interpretation of behaviour, but to determine whether or not some things happened.
He goes on in the tv interview by saying that in 2005 he "said what he understood and what was able to say", but again the concrete actual questions did not need any special understanding. :doh:
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I believe the "my truth" thing has something to do with his therapy. He is saying that 'this is what it means to ME, others may have had a different experience'. And since it is 'his truth', it cannot be invalidated because it is what HE knows to be true.
I can see having your truth as it relates to religious/philosophical/political ideologies, but I don't see that a 'truth' can be applied to whether something happened or did not. Because then my truth could be that I met Michael during the Dangerous era, he swept me off my feet and he and I lived happily together until he died.
I believe the "my truth" thing has something to do with his therapy. He is saying that 'this is what it means to ME, others may have had a different experience'. And since it is 'his truth', it cannot be invalidated because it is what HE knows to be true.
I can see having your truth as it relates to religious/philosophical/political ideologies, but I don't see that a 'truth' can be applied to whether something happened or did not. Because then my truth could be that I met Michael during the Dangerous era, he swept me off my feet and he and I lived happily together until he died.
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of course, and I want to believe that MJ fans after all the attacks from past, now do know how to argue with haters.
sites like vindicate mj can provide very useful info that can be added to our comments.
joe vogel is a genius...
of course, and I want to believe that MJ fans after all the attacks from past, now do know how to argue with haters.
sites like vindicate mj can provide very useful info that can be added to our comments.
joe vogel is a genius...
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
This is why I love Joe with all my heart.
This is why I love Joe with all my heart.
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Well, I sometimes see fans defending MJ with comments like "Michael was an angel on earth, he could never hurt anyone", which is not a rational argument. Or they go overboard and call anyone who is not sure about MJ's innocence "tabloid sheep" or "haters", which is not an effective way to get people to listen to you. We have the facts on our side, it's just a matter of communicating them calmly and clearly (like Joe Vogel just did) and it will be hard for any reasonable person to dismiss them.
Well, I sometimes see fans defending MJ with comments like "Michael was an angel on earth, he could never hurt anyone", which is not a rational argument. Or they go overboard and call anyone who is not sure about MJ's innocence "tabloid sheep" or "haters", which is not an effective way to get people to listen to you. We have the facts on our side, it's just a matter of communicating them calmly and clearly (like Joe Vogel just did) and it will be hard for any reasonable person to dismiss them.
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Michael Jackson's former maid says King of Pop threatened her life if she ever snitched, told her: ‘What happens at Neverland, stays in Neverland'
Adrian McManus tells Inside Edition, Jackson 'groomed the little boys…I think he was getting them drunk.'
ichael Jackson’s former maid has some blistering new allegations against the late King of Pop.
Michael Jackson’s former maid is airing her biggest load of dirty laundry yet.
The King of Pop’s one-time house-keeper, Adrian McManus, told Inside Edition that not only does she believe her boss committed child molestation — Jackson also pointedly threatened her life if she ever snitched.
Adrian McManus, Michael Jackson’s former housekeeper, tells Inside Edition that she believes her deceased ex-boss was guilty of child molestation.
“If you ever go on a talk show, or a TV show, we can hire a hit man and have your neck slit,” McManus told the television news magazine. “They’ll never find your body. We can hire a sniper to take you out.”
McManus, who worked for Jackson in the ‘90s and testified against her boss in his 2005 trial on charges he plied a teenager with alcohol and then sexually molested him, apparently got over that fear in the interview that aired Friday. Jackson was ultimately found not guilty, but not in he eyes of McManus.
McManus previously testified against her boss in a 2005 child molestation trial.
“He groomed the little boys…I think he was getting them drunk,” she told Inside Edition.
“He told me, ‘What happens at Neverland, stays in Neverland.’”
RELATED: MICHAEL JACKSON'S BEATING HEART VISIBLE TO NAKED EYE: TESTIMONY
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‘What happens at Neverland, stays in Neverland,’ Jackson allegedly told his former employee.
The new interview comes less than a month after McManus told Britain’s Daily Mirror newspaper that workers twice found Jackson near death from drug overdoses during her tenure at Neverland.
“Michael was not a pop hero, but a messed-up, depraved junkie, who was manipulative, twisted and demonic,” she said in that sitdown interview.
Jackson died at the age of 50 from an overdose of Propofol, administered by his personal doctor Conrad Murray to cure the music icon’s insomnia, in 2009. Murray is in prison after being found guilty of involuntary manslaughter two years later.
McManus’ tell-all tour comes amid a new round of child molestation claims from choreographer Wade Robson, who claims Jackson abused him during his childhood and has filed a lawsuit against the singer’s estate.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...er-threatened-life-snitched-article-1.1347159
Adrian McManus tells Inside Edition, Jackson 'groomed the little boys…I think he was getting them drunk.'
ichael Jackson’s former maid has some blistering new allegations against the late King of Pop.
Michael Jackson’s former maid is airing her biggest load of dirty laundry yet.
The King of Pop’s one-time house-keeper, Adrian McManus, told Inside Edition that not only does she believe her boss committed child molestation — Jackson also pointedly threatened her life if she ever snitched.
Adrian McManus, Michael Jackson’s former housekeeper, tells Inside Edition that she believes her deceased ex-boss was guilty of child molestation.
“If you ever go on a talk show, or a TV show, we can hire a hit man and have your neck slit,” McManus told the television news magazine. “They’ll never find your body. We can hire a sniper to take you out.”
McManus, who worked for Jackson in the ‘90s and testified against her boss in his 2005 trial on charges he plied a teenager with alcohol and then sexually molested him, apparently got over that fear in the interview that aired Friday. Jackson was ultimately found not guilty, but not in he eyes of McManus.
McManus previously testified against her boss in a 2005 child molestation trial.
“He groomed the little boys…I think he was getting them drunk,” she told Inside Edition.
“He told me, ‘What happens at Neverland, stays in Neverland.’”
RELATED: MICHAEL JACKSON'S BEATING HEART VISIBLE TO NAKED EYE: TESTIMONY
‘What happens at Neverland, stays in Neverland,’ Jackson allegedly told his former employee.
The new interview comes less than a month after McManus told Britain’s Daily Mirror newspaper that workers twice found Jackson near death from drug overdoses during her tenure at Neverland.
“Michael was not a pop hero, but a messed-up, depraved junkie, who was manipulative, twisted and demonic,” she said in that sitdown interview.
Jackson died at the age of 50 from an overdose of Propofol, administered by his personal doctor Conrad Murray to cure the music icon’s insomnia, in 2009. Murray is in prison after being found guilty of involuntary manslaughter two years later.
McManus’ tell-all tour comes amid a new round of child molestation claims from choreographer Wade Robson, who claims Jackson abused him during his childhood and has filed a lawsuit against the singer’s estate.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...er-threatened-life-snitched-article-1.1347159
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
How Katherine is going to sue them if the Robson have no money?
How Katherine is going to sue them if the Robson have no money?
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So true. These fans do not do themselves nor the wider fan community no favours when they try to use comments like above as way to 'prove' MJs innocence, although I know they mean well. We have to be articulate and factual.
So true. These fans do not do themselves nor the wider fan community no favours when they try to use comments like above as way to 'prove' MJs innocence, although I know they mean well. We have to be articulate and factual.
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
I wish people would stop posting tabloid rubbish here. Who cares what some disgruntled former employee has to say about MJ.
I wish people would stop posting tabloid rubbish here. Who cares what some disgruntled former employee has to say about MJ.
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I dont agree, we have to be informed and try to analyze it, and trigger a reaction to this women...
well, another coincidence... that she was talking to tabloid about molestations just a few weeks before Wades claims...., hmmmm...
I dont agree, we have to be informed and try to analyze it, and trigger a reaction to this women...
well, another coincidence... that she was talking to tabloid about molestations just a few weeks before Wades claims...., hmmmm...
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She's not worth it. Do you really think you can get her to change her story? We have to pick our battles. In this case, it's better to ignore and move on, in my opinion.
She's not worth it. Do you really think you can get her to change her story? We have to pick our battles. In this case, it's better to ignore and move on, in my opinion.
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
I just wish for once people would leave him alone and let him rest in peace. Michael deserves peace after all he has been through, just leave him alone.
I just wish for once people would leave him alone and let him rest in peace. Michael deserves peace after all he has been through, just leave him alone.
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
well I think, this is a problem of some MJ fans, they dont want to fill the gaps..., only select particular things, and dont take this situation as a whole, I am not for conspiracy theories, but there are so many "coincidences" that all of a sudden we have people talking about molestations...
Two weeks ago... nobody on this planet except (so far) the 3 people would believe that that Wade Robson who defended Michael for 2 decades would accuse him of molesting and calling him a peadophile and a child abuser - stressing the two words in front of the world through the tv cameras...
well I think, this is a problem of some MJ fans, they dont want to fill the gaps..., only select particular things, and dont take this situation as a whole, I am not for conspiracy theories, but there are so many "coincidences" that all of a sudden we have people talking about molestations...
Two weeks ago... nobody on this planet except (so far) the 3 people would believe that that Wade Robson who defended Michael for 2 decades would accuse him of molesting and calling him a peadophile and a child abuser - stressing the two words in front of the world through the tv cameras...
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But she is a liar and a loser and who cares what she says
But she is a liar and a loser and who cares what she says
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I don't remember McManus ever saying anything during Michael's trial about Michael threatening her. I think she's using Wade's garbage to make a name for herself. I'm not surprised. But it still makes me sick.
I don't remember McManus ever saying anything during Michael's trial about Michael threatening her. I think she's using Wade's garbage to make a name for herself. I'm not surprised. But it still makes me sick.
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Moonwalker.Fan;3825356 said:Michael Jackson's former maid says King of Pop threatened her life if she ever snitched, told her: ‘What happens at Neverland, stays in Neverland'
Adrian McManus tells Inside Edition, Jackson 'groomed the little boys…I think he was getting them drunk.'
ichael Jackson’s former maid has some blistering new allegations against the late King of Pop.
Michael Jackson’s former maid is airing her biggest load of dirty laundry yet.
The King of Pop’s one-time house-keeper, Adrian McManus, told Inside Edition that not only does she believe her boss committed child molestation — Jackson also pointedly threatened her life if she ever snitched.
Adrian McManus, Michael Jackson’s former housekeeper, tells Inside Edition that she believes her deceased ex-boss was guilty of child molestation.
“If you ever go on a talk show, or a TV show, we can hire a hit man and have your neck slit,” McManus told the television news magazine. “They’ll never find your body. We can hire a sniper to take you out.”
McManus, who worked for Jackson in the ‘90s and testified against her boss in his 2005 trial on charges he plied a teenager with alcohol and then sexually molested him, apparently got over that fear in the interview that aired Friday. Jackson was ultimately found not guilty, but not in he eyes of McManus.
McManus previously testified against her boss in a 2005 child molestation trial.
“He groomed the little boys…I think he was getting them drunk,” she told Inside Edition.
“He told me, ‘What happens at Neverland, stays in Neverland.’”
RELATED: MICHAEL JACKSON'S BEATING HEART VISIBLE TO NAKED EYE: TESTIMONY
Frazer Harrison/Getty Images
‘What happens at Neverland, stays in Neverland,’ Jackson allegedly told his former employee.
The new interview comes less than a month after McManus told Britain’s Daily Mirror newspaper that workers twice found Jackson near death from drug overdoses during her tenure at Neverland.
“Michael was not a pop hero, but a messed-up, depraved junkie, who was manipulative, twisted and demonic,” she said in that sitdown interview.
Jackson died at the age of 50 from an overdose of Propofol, administered by his personal doctor Conrad Murray to cure the music icon’s insomnia, in 2009. Murray is in prison after being found guilty of involuntary manslaughter two years later.
McManus’ tell-all tour comes amid a new round of child molestation claims from choreographer Wade Robson, who claims Jackson abused him during his childhood and has filed a lawsuit against the singer’s estate.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...er-threatened-life-snitched-article-1.1347159
Seriously, what is the point of this? She said the same thing in 05 and got shot down in the court of law for her ridiulous claims. Whats the point of interviewing her?
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
WADE ROBSON
LIFE'S A BEACH
Wade Robson surfaced in Hawaii with his wife and son on Friday ... sportin' an Aloha shirt and some flip flops following his "Michael Jackson molested me as a kid" media blitz.
We broke the story ... Wade recently sold his Santa Monica condo and skipped town to live with his wife and kid in her hometown on the island.
Wade shouldn't get too comfortable though ... he's gonna have to fly back to L.A. at some point to follow up on his claim against the Michael Jackson Estate.
In the meantime, it's 80 degrees in Hawaii right now ... with a slight chance of awesome.
Aloha.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2TbN3OEEu
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WADE ROBSON
LIFE'S A BEACH
Wade Robson surfaced in Hawaii with his wife and son on Friday ... sportin' an Aloha shirt and some flip flops following his "Michael Jackson molested me as a kid" media blitz.
We broke the story ... Wade recently sold his Santa Monica condo and skipped town to live with his wife and kid in her hometown on the island.
Wade shouldn't get too comfortable though ... he's gonna have to fly back to L.A. at some point to follow up on his claim against the Michael Jackson Estate.
In the meantime, it's 80 degrees in Hawaii right now ... with a slight chance of awesome.
Aloha.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2TbN3OEEu
Visit the TMZ Store: http://tmzstore.com
Son Of MJ Maid Who Claimed ‘King Of Pop’ Fondled Him Says He’s ‘Not Following’ Latest Molestation Case
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Posted on May 17, 2013 @ 3:15AM | By Dylan Howard
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The son of Michael Jackson‘s former personal maid — who told a 2005 trial that Jackson had tickled and fondled him as a boy — tells RadarOnline.com that he purposefully isn’t following the latest molestation scandal surrounding the singer.
Jason Francia says he’s shut all news about the King Of Pop out of his life, after he previously claimed Jackson molested him on three occasions beginning when he was just seven.
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“I haven’t followed anything regarding MJ,” Francia tells Radar exclusively.
In fact, Jason reveals he only learned about Wade Robson‘s court claims when he was approached for comment by media outlets.
Robson, who staunchly defended Jackson in all of his criminal investigations since 1993, reversed his position in April, asking a Los Angeles probate court to allow him to file a late creditor’s claim against the Jackson estate.
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In a sit-down interview with Matt Lauer on TODAY, Robson called Jackson, who died in 2009 at age 50, a “pedophile and a child sexual abuser.”
“This is the first i’m hearing about all of this,” admitted Jason, when asked if Robson’s 2013 position vindicated his prior testimony that Jackson had molested him and that of his mother, Blanca, who alleged she saw the pop star showering and laughing with a young boy at Neverland Ranch — with their underwear lying outside the shower door.
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“I haven’t followed these news (stories) at all; that’s what i get for not following news on the MJ stuff.”
Jason and his mom reached an out-of-court financial settlement with Jackson in which the entertainer denied wrongdoing.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...ys-hes-not-following-latest-molestation-case/
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Posted on May 17, 2013 @ 3:15AM | By Dylan Howard
Splash News
The son of Michael Jackson‘s former personal maid — who told a 2005 trial that Jackson had tickled and fondled him as a boy — tells RadarOnline.com that he purposefully isn’t following the latest molestation scandal surrounding the singer.
Jason Francia says he’s shut all news about the King Of Pop out of his life, after he previously claimed Jackson molested him on three occasions beginning when he was just seven.
PHOTOS: Michael Jackson Through The Years
“I haven’t followed anything regarding MJ,” Francia tells Radar exclusively.
In fact, Jason reveals he only learned about Wade Robson‘s court claims when he was approached for comment by media outlets.
Robson, who staunchly defended Jackson in all of his criminal investigations since 1993, reversed his position in April, asking a Los Angeles probate court to allow him to file a late creditor’s claim against the Jackson estate.
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In a sit-down interview with Matt Lauer on TODAY, Robson called Jackson, who died in 2009 at age 50, a “pedophile and a child sexual abuser.”
“This is the first i’m hearing about all of this,” admitted Jason, when asked if Robson’s 2013 position vindicated his prior testimony that Jackson had molested him and that of his mother, Blanca, who alleged she saw the pop star showering and laughing with a young boy at Neverland Ranch — with their underwear lying outside the shower door.
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“I haven’t followed these news (stories) at all; that’s what i get for not following news on the MJ stuff.”
Jason and his mom reached an out-of-court financial settlement with Jackson in which the entertainer denied wrongdoing.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...ys-hes-not-following-latest-molestation-case/
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
I just want to say just because someone may believe Wade's story doesn't make them a target we should attack. Many people who are not educated on MJ's history are going to question this. We can certainly show evidence why we disagree or believe as we do, to show the discepencies in his story. But wade is going to have people defend him and this is a subject that has to be dealt with in a sensitive manner IMO .. so the MJJ Fan community doesn't appear as bully's. I think Joel Vogel's article address this issue intelligently while being sensitive to the subject of child abuse. I think that is how we should address this issue so we remain credible and not as irrational frenzied fans lashing out at everyone who questions or may support Wades story. We want to represent ourselves as well as MJ with dignity for the sake of his legacy. I'm not saying kiss anyone's ass .. but be respectful as much as possible and give a smart rational defense for Michael. Many are doing a fine job of that but some off the wall remarks make me palm my face in embarrassment for the fan community. Plus many know nothing about this case or the 2005 case and are posting false information, rumours or unfounded conspiracies theories to try and defend MJ. that is defeating to those who are interested in showing a strong defense based on the Facts we already have available that can be verified. It is my first inclination to just tell everyone to get***** and Hateful trolls deserve it, but other are just suspicious confused and or questioning.
I just want to say just because someone may believe Wade's story doesn't make them a target we should attack. Many people who are not educated on MJ's history are going to question this. We can certainly show evidence why we disagree or believe as we do, to show the discepencies in his story. But wade is going to have people defend him and this is a subject that has to be dealt with in a sensitive manner IMO .. so the MJJ Fan community doesn't appear as bully's. I think Joel Vogel's article address this issue intelligently while being sensitive to the subject of child abuse. I think that is how we should address this issue so we remain credible and not as irrational frenzied fans lashing out at everyone who questions or may support Wades story. We want to represent ourselves as well as MJ with dignity for the sake of his legacy. I'm not saying kiss anyone's ass .. but be respectful as much as possible and give a smart rational defense for Michael. Many are doing a fine job of that but some off the wall remarks make me palm my face in embarrassment for the fan community. Plus many know nothing about this case or the 2005 case and are posting false information, rumours or unfounded conspiracies theories to try and defend MJ. that is defeating to those who are interested in showing a strong defense based on the Facts we already have available that can be verified. It is my first inclination to just tell everyone to get***** and Hateful trolls deserve it, but other are just suspicious confused and or questioning.
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Excatly! hes saying "oh even in court i didnt understand it was abuse" umm hello wade it was a proper criminal trial u were testifying at ....what did u think it was? a taping of CSI???!! LOL
Excatly! hes saying "oh even in court i didnt understand it was abuse" umm hello wade it was a proper criminal trial u were testifying at ....what did u think it was? a taping of CSI???!! LOL
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I'd understand it from a child but from a 30+ year old adult is idiotic!
I'd understand it from a child but from a 30+ year old adult is idiotic!