Dr. Patrick Treacy: Had experience with MJ and Propofol while in Ireland! / Interview posted at pg3

[bluetopez]

Re: Dr. Patrick Treacy: Had experience with MJ and Propofol while in Ireland!

Dr Treacy also mentioned in a different interview that during Michael stay in Ireland, he had undergone a surgical procedure... MJ was in quite a bit of pain afterwards, and the doctor had offered him something to help ease the pain, and Michael flat-out refused it. He spent the rest of the recovery period putting up with the pain without taking any medication at all. He said it's hard to believe that in a two year period, Michael had gone from making up any excuse he could find NOT to take medication that he NEEDED, to pretty much accepting this dangerous drug that he didn't need, from doctor that was not qualified to give it to him.

Well, Thank u! That's the other interview that I mentioned that Dr. Treacy did that only has him being interviewed! That I said I haven't heard yet! It was done after the ones I mentioned that he was on where he first mention MJ and Propofol!!

So this seem to be the missing piece to the puzzle as to why Propofol was mentioned and why he has evidence to show MJ was being careful then!?

*Goes To hear the interview to make sure*

EDIT: I Just finished hearing the interview and yes the Dr. Said MJ had a procedure done and it was on his nose! He went to MJ house after MJ had it done and MJ didn't want anything for the pain! He just sorta ran around the room sorta covering his face and saying "it hurts", "it burns!" He said something about MJ wanting to get the bridge of his nose extended!

If I'm not mistaken we heard rumors before that MJ got his nose fixed to look better? So it could be that the Dr. was talking about? Because MJ nose did look much more....what's the word?.... Thicker/bigger then previous times? If It's okay for me to say that here? Don't want to offend or be disrespectful but, it was part of the covo so I say it to try to understand why?!

He also mentions that MJ did use Propofol before while in his presents but, won't say for what the procedure it was used for!? And didn't want to say any other procedure MJ had with them!?

But, he said it was never used without a anesthetist and MJ wouldn't used any sedative like that without an anesthetist present!

So, yea same thing as before just a little more detailed and he feels this info will come into trial and that's why he won't say to much!

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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The only Dr. I remember on CNN whom name I can't remember? Only statement was "No Comment" and the question I beleive was about the HIStory tour and what if any thing was MJ given on that tour? Because rumor has it Propofol was used during that tour!? The other thing that DR. said was that a friend of his has passed (MJ) and he would like to mourn in private or something like that!?

yeah thats the one im talking about

 

[TinaG]

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yeah thats the one im talking about

Is this the doctor you mean? This is the one I remember who is alleged to have given MJ propofol on History tour: Dr. Neil Ratner

He was on CNN briefly and didn't confirm giving Michael the propofol, and he said he was wanting to mourn in private, etc.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/03/ltm.03.html
Here he says:
DR. NEIL RATNER: I'm very upset. I'm distraught. Michael was a good person. I can't talk about it right now. It's really something I don't want to talk about right now. I lost a friend, and I feel very badly about that.

GUPTA: There were two people, and I just want to allow you to respond to this, and you can, or you don't have to. But I think it's important you hear this.

We have a couple of different sources that said they would see IV equipment, what sounded like what they described as sort of an audio rack sort of looking thing in a hotel room with Michael. And they made it sound like that was your stuff. Are they wrong?

RATNER: I really don't want to talk about this topic at all right now. I really have nothing to say about it right now.

The man hasn't had a funeral, and the man hasn't been buried. It's inappropriate. I don't want to talk about it right now. And I'd appreciate if we could end this now.


And he's a pretty shady doctor if you ask me.

Video:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/03/jackson.wrap/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

Article:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/03/jackson.wrap/index.html

The anesthesiologist who accompanied Jackson during the 82-date world tour in 1996 and 1997 was Dr. Neil Ratner, the sources said.

They said Ratner would keep medical equipment in his hotel room, which he used to monitor Jackson's vital signs when the singer was asleep or "under," as one source put it.

The doctor apparently said Jackson had trouble sleeping and that Ratner helped "take him down" and "bring him back up," according to the source.

Ratner confirmed to CNN that Jackson suffered from a sleep disorder, but refused to address any of the other allegations.

"It's really something I don't want to talk about right now," he said outside his Woodstock, New York, home Thursday.

Ratner was stripped of his license to practice medicine for three years in 2002 after he was found guilty of insurance fraud.

There's another article about Ratner here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2000/02/09/2000-02-09_crocked_doc_won_t_say_if_he_.html

 

[Ashtanga]

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If I'm not mistaken we heard rumors before that MJ got his nose fixed to look better? So it could be that the Dr. was talking about? Because MJ nose did look much more....what's the word?.... Thicker/bigger then previous times? If It's okay for me to say that here? Don't want to offend or be disrespectful but, it was part of the covo so I say it to try to understand why?!

I've heard about it too, but personally I do not believe this story.

The doctor apparently said Jackson had trouble sleeping and that Ratner helped "take him down" and "bring him back up," according to the source.

I've read about it, but that statement sounds very exaggerated. Of course, that the use of propofol in these circumstances outside the hospital environment, probably at any moment something would go wrong. Fact. I do not believe Michael would ask/implore for Propofol (anesthesia) to get to sleep. Michael was going to risk his own life that way? I do not really believe it.

 

[bluetopez]

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yeah thats the one im talking about

DR. NEIL RATNER was not even one of the 7 Doctors investigated that where cleared recently was he?

I've heard about it too, but personally I do not believe this story.

Well, I kinda do because the difference was noticeable to me anyways!

 

[ivy]

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DR. NEIL RATNER was not even one of the 7 Doctors investigated that where cleared recently was he?

not as far as we know. I believe that the investigation was into recent doctors and their prescription practices to determine if they had played a role in Michael's death. Ratner's association with Michael seems to be in the past and limited to the History tour, right?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Dr. Patrick Treacy: Had experience with MJ and Propofol while in Ireland!

Is this the doctor you mean? This is the one I remember who is alleged to have given MJ propofol on History tour: Dr. Neil Ratner

He was on CNN briefly and didn't confirm giving Michael the propofol, and he said he was wanting to mourn in private, etc.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/03/ltm.03.html
Here he says:
DR. NEIL RATNER: I'm very upset. I'm distraught. Michael was a good person. I can't talk about it right now. It's really something I don't want to talk about right now. I lost a friend, and I feel very badly about that.

GUPTA: There were two people, and I just want to allow you to respond to this, and you can, or you don't have to. But I think it's important you hear this.

We have a couple of different sources that said they would see IV equipment, what sounded like what they described as sort of an audio rack sort of looking thing in a hotel room with Michael. And they made it sound like that was your stuff. Are they wrong?

RATNER: I really don't want to talk about this topic at all right now. I really have nothing to say about it right now.

The man hasn't had a funeral, and the man hasn't been buried. It's inappropriate. I don't want to talk about it right now. And I'd appreciate if we could end this now.


And he's a pretty shady doctor if you ask me.

Video:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/03/jackson.wrap/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

Article:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/03/jackson.wrap/index.html

The anesthesiologist who accompanied Jackson during the 82-date world tour in 1996 and 1997 was Dr. Neil Ratner, the sources said.

They said Ratner would keep medical equipment in his hotel room, which he used to monitor Jackson's vital signs when the singer was asleep or "under," as one source put it.

The doctor apparently said Jackson had trouble sleeping and that Ratner helped "take him down" and "bring him back up," according to the source.

Ratner confirmed to CNN that Jackson suffered from a sleep disorder, but refused to address any of the other allegations.

"It's really something I don't want to talk about right now," he said outside his Woodstock, New York, home Thursday.

Ratner was stripped of his license to practice medicine for three years in 2002 after he was found guilty of insurance fraud.

There's another article about Ratner here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2000/02/09/2000-02-09_crocked_doc_won_t_say_if_he_.html

yeah thats the one. the basically were it all comes from about mj using diprivan in the past.it all started from the claim in a lawsuit from the early 00's

not as far as we know. I believe that the investigation was into recent doctors and their prescription practices to determine if they had played a role in Michael's death. Ratner's association with Michael seems to be in the past and limited to the History tour, right?

yeah the other drs were being investigated interms of the supplying to an addict theory i think.dr shopping etc.so unless he had been involved with mj recently there was no reason to talk to them interms of that. whether the D.A contacted him over the history tour issue is another thing

 

[bluetopez]

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He can still be called in the trial though right? To show a pattern for Murray defense? (which I hope they don't do) or for the prosecution (Michael side) showing he was using proper equipment when and if he did use this on MJ during the HISTory Tour? Which never been confirmed yet!

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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u mean ratner? well theres the dr/paitent confidentiality issue. dont know if that stands in a crim case. and secondly he would have to admit to something which tbh do u think he would? i doubt that. imo hed be better off being ignored as theres pot holes for both sides if they want to use him.

 

[riviera1992]

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EDIT: I Just finished hearing the interview and yes the Dr. Said MJ had a procedure done and it was on his nose! He went to MJ house after MJ had it done and MJ didn't want anything for the pain! He just sorta ran around the room sorta covering his face and saying "it hurts", "it burns!" He said something about MJ wanting to get the bridge of his nose extended!

Poor Michael. I had a rhinoplasty myself and after two days of being on pain meds every four hours and feeling drowsy, I decided to not take as much but after the fifth hour came around, the pain was unbearable and I had to take the meds.

 

[bluetopez]

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Poor Michael. I had a rhinoplasty myself and after two days of being on pain meds every four hours and feeling drowsy, I decided to not take as much but after the fifth hour came around, the pain was unbearable and I had to take the meds.

Who knows if it was that type of surgery MJ had! Maybe he just had some filler injections!?:scratch:

u mean ratner? well theres the dr/paitent confidentiality issue. dont know if that stands in a crim case. and secondly he would have to admit to something which tbh do u think he would? i doubt that. imo hed be better off being ignored as theres pot holes for both sides if they want to use him.

Yea I understand! But, ya never know?! We will have to wait and see!:scratch:

 

[bluetopez]

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Patrick Treacy uploaded the interview to his Youtube account! http://www.youtube.com/user/treacyradio For those who haven't heard it?! I guess this is a better way and save u 2hrs! lol Because it only has his parts only...if only I knew sooner! SMH Would have saved me a lot of typing!

 

[JMie]

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thank you!

 

[riviera1992]

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Thank you for posting this.

Was this interview done before or after the LMP/Oprah thing? If before, I wonder what he'd say about the drug addict firestorm she created.

 

[Ashtanga]

Re: Dr. Patrick Treacy: Had experience with MJ and Propofol while in Ireland!

Patrick Treacy uploaded the interview to his Youtube account! http://www.youtube.com/user/treacyradio For those who haven't heard it?! I guess this is a better way and save u 2hrs! lol Because it only has his parts only...if only I knew sooner! SMH Would have saved me a lot of typing!

 

[bluetopez]

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Thank you for posting this.

Was this interview done before or after the LMP/Oprah thing? If before, I wonder what he'd say about the drug addict firestorm she created.

It was done before her interview!

Ur welcome everybody!

Does anyone know how to changed the title to this thread? To add a update saying there are you tube vids of the interview now!? I don't know how to do that or if I can? Or maybe someone can do it for me please!?:scratch:Thx

 

[ivy]

^^
I updated the title for you.

will listen to the interview and comment later. thanks for it.

 

[bluetopez]

^^
I updated the title for you.

will listen to the interview and comment later. thanks for it.

Okay! Thank u ivy!

 

[elusive moonwalker]

I wonder what he'd say about the drug addict firestorm she created.

doubt hed say anything as lisa was prattling on about 15 years ago. funny how those that were actually around mj recently say very different things to those who werent

 

[bluetopez]

yea I agree! Plus, I checked his facebook and he didn't say anything about her! lol

 

[angelofhope]

Wow! The truth for once! Someone who actually knew Michael before he passed. Hopefully Mr Treacy will be a good witness against Murray.

 

[riviera1992]

Dr Treacy says something about MJ playing beautiful piano and guitar.

Wasn't there a debate about that? Some people saying that Michael didn't play any instruments?

 

[CarleyMJ]

Thank you for sharing this with us.

 

[bluetopez]

Dr Treacy says something about MJ playing beautiful piano and guitar.

Wasn't there a debate about that? Some people saying that Michael didn't play any instruments?

I know that some fans had a debate over it! But, from what I remember he could always play certain instruments! I think more then one person that worked for him before mentioned that he could play piano?! But, I can't remember their names!:doh:

I believe MJ once said something like when he can't dance no more (because of old age) he would then play instruments in his shows!? I thought that was cute! But, now...

Thank you for sharing this with us.

No problem! :cheeky:

Wow! The truth for once! Someone who actually knew Michael before he passed. Hopefully Mr Treacy will be a good witness against Murray.

I feel that same!

 

[kissybissy]

He cannot be a witness in a case he knows nothing about. It would be even irresponsible to consider as evidence against Murray a testimony of someone that does not know anything about the case. It's like asking any of us to testify based only on what we read on the web.

 

[bluetopez]

He cannot be a witness in a case he knows nothing about. It would be even irresponsible to consider as evidence against Murray a testimony of someone that does not know anything about the case. It's like asking any of us to testify based only on what we read on the web.

:bugeyed What are u talking about? Did u not listen to what he said? :smilerolleyes: SMH

 

[kissybissy]

Yes, I read this article. Unless I'm missing something, the information Treacy knows about Michael & prescription drugs dates from 2006-2007. Michael died in 2009. I do see anything that suggests Treacy knows any kind of information related to Murray and Michael's death.

“I first met Michael after his Santa Maria trial when he was living in Ireland (2006-2007),” said Treacy. "Michael had approached Treacy hoping he would take him on as a patient while there, to help him manage his dermatological conditions. From there, a professional relationship, as well as a friendship, blossomed."

Patrick Treacy did an interview on a radio show called "A Place In Your Heart" with Rev. Catherine Gross that Aired on September 24, 2010. So I'm a little late with this but, I just heard the interview and thought it was important info and wanted to share for those who may not have known this info?

The show was dedicated to the "Reflections on The Dance" website and the one who made the site and why she did it! During the interview Dr. Patrick Treacy phoned in! He wrote an article for the "Reflection on the dance" website about MJ and has talk through emails to the site maker!

He shared information about his experience with MJ and Propofol saying he was in the same situation with MJ and Propofol! He said MJ refused to used Propofol without a anesthetist and he has good evidence of this (graphic evidence!) The months that MJ was in Ireland and was friends with him he wrote one or two prescriptions for MJ that were for minor things like colds! None were for insomnia! He never seen drugs in MJ's home, always seen MJ in his full mental state and never sluggish!

He expresses his agreement with the opinion of the owner of the radio show about how she thinks Murray did this on purpose leaving MJ alone to die! He shares that he might be called as a witness so he can't share a lot on the show and would testify to defend MJ in court! He can not believe MJ would do this to himself knowing MJ refuse things such as Propofol with out proper care in the past and doesn't think in two yrs MJ would all of a sudden changed his opinion on that!

He says that where he lives he too been offered 5 to 6 figures to sell Michael out in the media just like others have, <_< he refused of course and said there isn't anything bad to say about MJ anyway! He makes a point that this doesn't happen in just America! He says he fears the trial cause he knows they will make MJ out to be a addict when he wasn't!

 

[bluetopez]

Yes, I read this article. Unless I'm missing something, the information Treacy knows about Michael & prescription drugs dates from 2006-2007. Michael died in 2009. I do see anything that suggests Treacy knows any kind of information related to Murray and Michael's death.

&#8220;I first met Michael after his Santa Maria trial when he was living in Ireland (2006-2007),&#8221; said Treacy. "Michael had approached Treacy hoping he would take him on as a patient while there, to help him manage his dermatological conditions. From there, a professional relationship, as well as a friendship, blossomed."

Patrick Treacy did an interview on a radio show called "A Place In Your Heart" with Rev. Catherine Gross that Aired on September 24, 2010. So I'm a little late with this but, I just heard the interview and thought it was important info and wanted to share for those who may not have known this info?

The show was dedicated to the "Reflections on The Dance" website and the one who made the site and why she did it! During the interview Dr. Patrick Treacy phoned in! He wrote an article for the "Reflection on the dance" website about MJ and has talk through emails to the site maker!

He shared information about his experience with MJ and Propofol saying he was in the same situation with MJ and Propofol! He said MJ refused to used Propofol without a anesthetist and he has good evidence of this (graphic evidence!) The months that MJ was in Ireland and was friends with him he wrote one or two prescriptions for MJ that were for minor things like colds! None were for insomnia! He never seen drugs in MJ's home, always seen MJ in his full mental state and never sluggish!

He expresses his agreement with the opinion of the owner of the radio show about how she thinks Murray did this on purpose leaving MJ alone to die! He shares that he might be called as a witness so he can't share a lot on the show and would testify to defend MJ in court! He can not believe MJ would do this to himself knowing MJ refuse things such as Propofol with out proper care in the past and doesn't think in two yrs MJ would all of a sudden changed his opinion on that!

He says that where he lives he too been offered 5 to 6 figures to sell Michael out in the media just like others have, <_< he refused of course and said there isn't anything bad to say about MJ anyway! He makes a point that this doesn't happen in just America! He says he fears the trial cause he knows they will make MJ out to be a addict when he wasn't!

I highlighted again the parts that will be important for a jury to hear! In the death case of MJ it will show that MJ was someone that was responsible and not someone that Murray defense will paint! Murray will try to show a pattern of MJ being a drug abuser that did this to himself, someone not in control! This shows the opposite! How does this mean nothing to u, I don't know?!:doh:<_<

 

[Ashtanga]

I highlighted again the parts that will be important for a jury to hear! In the death case of MJ it will show that MJ was someone that was responsible and not someone that Murray defense will paint! Murray will try to show a pattern of MJ being a drug abuser that did this to himself, someone not in control! This shows the opposite! How does this mean nothing to u, I don't know?!:doh:

 

[kissybissy]

I don't know how much it will help. As it gives us evidence that around 2006-2007, Micheal refused to use Propofol without proper care, it does not show that two years later he was not using it on a regular basis at his home. It's why he said "He can not believe MJ would do this to himself knowing MJ refuse things such as Propofol with out proper care in the past and doesn't think in two yrs MJ would all of a sudden changed his opinion on that!". It's his opinion based only on what he witnessed two years ago, not an actual fact.

I'm not privy to the evidence collected. However, it's not a matter of saying that Michael was addicted for Murray to get away with his actions! He was negligent leaving Michael alone. He, as a doctor, shouldn't inject anyone with Propofol at home (outside a hospital). Also, he was not an anesthetist, so even if he was at a hospital, he couldn't use the drug. And even if Michael was addicted, it's a responsibility of a doctor not to give the addicted the drugs they ask for.

Imo, he didn't have the intention of killing Michael. He's just a greedy doctor that made a stupid mistake. I do not see any reason for Murray to murder Michael on purpose. And considering he was charged with involuntary manslaughter, after six months of investigation, I do not have any reasons to believe there's any evidence otherwise.