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The below screenshot is from a court filing in Lloyds - AEG / MJ Estate lawsuit.

It's filed by Lloyds as "February 4, 2009 Michael Jackson authorization executed by Michael Jackson for the release of his medical records".


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Let's try to read it correct me if I'm wrong

General appearance : healthy
Temperature : 98 F
blood pressure : 110/65
Cardiovascular : normal sinus rhythm / no murmurs

Height : 5 ' 9"
Pulse : 48
Respiratory : 16 Lungs clear / no wheeze

Weight: 127
Ears : normal
Nose: septum midline minor congestion
Throat: normal cords
Abdominal: soft -nontender
 
Michael was a little underweight then. And I would kill for a blood pressure like that
 
Well he was right on the border as far has his weight was concerned
 
So that would mean Michael gained nine pounds between feb 09 and June 25. Oh Latoya..
 
The thing is, he gained weight before he died. We have heard from people for the last two years that Michael lost weight and he was heavier during the press conference in March. Now, it is the opposite, which shows you can't based someone's health on appearances alone.
 
note: apparently there's also some blood tests done on that day. and it seems like lloyds doesn't have them.
 
Justthefacts said:
So that would mean Michael gained nine pounds between feb 09 and June 25. Oh Latoya..
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Add Jermaine with his cancer patient comments, Karen with all her flip flops, with Michael Brush and the TINI fans who said Michael was a skeleton and you could feel bone.

All their lies are coming to light, even before the AEG lawsuit.
 
The lies are beginning to unravel here and it says a lot to see Michael gained 9lbs in the months leading up to his death.
 
Mike really needed to have gained more like 20-25lbs.. 127 and 136 is way too thin for a 5'9 inch man. He was about to undertake a 50 concert trek. He needed some stamina and some meat on his bones. Some trainer or nutritionist should've had him on a weight gain regime.Mike was much stronger and heavier during the History tour and he looked great.
 
but trust me, groups like TINI will now say the autopsy-report is a fraud and this is the evidence..

they will say
1) MJ looked clearly healthy during press-conference, he looked heavier and then he weighed around 127
2) MJ was very thin when he passed away
3) So how can he have weighed 9 pounds more when he died than in february when he was that thin?
4) Thats why they believe Karen Faye who claims she was told MJ weighed around 108

Trust me, this will add more fuel to their agenda...
 
If he weighted 127 on February, it is not possible he gained pounds before he died, because he seemed even thinner on pictures. And I have been both 120 and 220 and I'm sure what I saw on the movie This is it wasn't more then 127, even 120. I just know about weight. That's what I always didn't understand on the autopsy, not saying it's anything fake, but I'm just not sure.
 
Silly question I know...but are these both 'unclothed' weights...my GP (family Dr) weights are usually 'clothed'. (can make a few punds difference..esp if shoes are kept on).

Also it assumes both sets of scales are regularly calibrated...'office' scales might not be done as regularly as 'autopsy' scales.
 
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Thrill said:
but trust me, groups like TINI will now say the autopsy-report is a fraud and this is the evidence..

they will say
1) MJ looked clearly healthy during press-conference, he looked heavier and then he weighed around 127
2) MJ was very thin when he passed away
3) So how can he have weighed 9 pounds more when he died than in february when he was that thin?
4) Thats why they believe Karen Faye who claims she was told MJ weighed around 108

Trust me, this will add more fuel to their agenda...
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Karen Faye said that's the weight that she was told at Forest Lawn by the mortician and didn't she say 118?

This will sound morbid - but after 2 autopsies, and internal organs being removed , he's bound to weight less. For example : a human liver alone weights 3-4 lbs.

Vinter said:
I think it's 98.
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I was torn between 48 and 98 as well. To me it looks like 48. 98 is a high pulse and 48 is low.

However low pulse can be normal if he was training / dancing. According to my BF athletes - that are fit and in regular training - would have low pulse.
 
jaydom7 said:
Mike really needed to have gained more like 20-25lbs.. 127 and 136 is way too thin for a 5'9 inch man. He was about to undertake a 50 concert trek. He needed some stamina and some meat on his bones. Some trainer or nutritionist should've had him on a weight gain regime.Mike was much stronger and heavier during the History tour and he looked great.
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And how was he was also much younger during the History tour. You keep going on about what he needed yet you trash the family when they do the same thing. Worry about yourself
 
TheDangerousFan said:
If he weighted 127 on February, it is not possible he gained pounds before he died, because he seemed even thinner on pictures. And I have been both 120 and 220 and I'm sure what I saw on the movie This is it wasn't more then 127, even 120. I just know about weight. That's what I always didn't understand on the autopsy, not saying it's anything fake, but I'm just not sure.
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Everyone carries their weight differently. You can't guess someone's else weight based on your body type or by pure appearances. Just because someone looks underweight doesn't mean that they are, just as because someone looks overweight doesn't mean that they are.

I have a cousin who is just as skinny as Michael, rail thin, but he is actually quite heavy. If you tried to pick him up, he isn't as light as you would think and I think he weighs around the 130lbs mark.

Also, I never posted this because I knew I had no such evident to back it up and I didn't want to speculate further on Michael's weight since it wasn't overly important to his death. To me, Michael had always seemed skinner during the press conference. His body looked biggest because of the clothes that he was wearing , but his face looked more sunken in than it did during TII. In fact, you can clearly see the indents in Michael's cheeks, which aren't clearly seen in the month before his death.

As someone who had a mother who has been on every crash diet known to men, I have seen from experience that the first place weight loss/gained are first visible is in the face. Michael's face looks smaller during the conference to the the point his hair looks overly big for his face, which gave him a strange looks to me.

This is my POV and I will leave it at that.


One more thing: It should also be stated that black people, no matter what their body size or type are, tend to be generally heavier than most races. This have to do with bone and muscle structure that was developed during the time blacks were slaves. The fittest and strongest survives, which is why blacks tend to be more physically able: sports, dancing, ect.

So, even if Michael looked skinny and didn't have much fat, he would naturally be heavier than a white person of his same body type.
 
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Im sorry but i dont think he gain weight either im sorry :( I think what ever his weight was he was way to thin!
 
Why we just have these results just now? And why we gonna have the results of the blood test if they did blood test as well.

The nurse Lee, did the last blood test in April no? And it was good results too.
 
So this means that he gained weigtht?, what about those many pictures where you can clearly see that he's quite thin? Looking much thinner than during the concert announcement in march....
 
I agree we can't compare TII Michael to HIStory Michael, he was over a decade younger when he embarked on HIStory, he was in his late 30, whereas he was nearly 51 during the rehearsals.
 
Let's remember "energetic cocktails" and alleged ephedrine that Murray mentioned. Not sure it's true but 48 is too low. So the pulse could be 98.
But on the other side energetics raise blood pressure. But Michael's 110/65 is excellent
 
TheDangerousFan said:
If he weighted 127 on February, it is not possible he gained pounds before he died, because he seemed even thinner on pictures. And I have been both 120 and 220 and I'm sure what I saw on the movie This is it wasn't more then 127, even 120. I just know about weight. That's what I always didn't understand on the autopsy, not saying it's anything fake, but I'm just not sure.
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Ingelief said:
Im sorry but i dont think he gain weight either im sorry :( I think what ever his weight was he was way to thin!
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I agree with both of you... there is no way in hell he gained weight. Mike has always been small framed but if he gained weight we would have seen it in his face (as we usually do). I think that the scale was wrong. If you look at pics of him in his adult life and compare them, we can see that he was about the same size when he died as he was during the victory tour (late in the tour when he was very skinny). BY all accounts then he was between 110-120, so i highly doubt he was 136 when he died.

Bitter_finalEE_twinklEE said:
I agree we can't compare TII Michael to HIStory Michael, he was over a decade younger when he embarked on HIStory, he was in his late 30, whereas he was nearly 51 during the rehearsals.
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I agree somewhat but then I see where jaydom is coming from. AS an older man the weight he was during the HIStory tour and the early 2000's is ideal. For the average man he was still on the small side, but for MJ it was a good and healthy weight. When people get older they tend to be heavier because the metabolism slows down and they are usually less active (during this time MJ wasnt touring so he should have pit on a little weight after the trial). Also when people are older when they are too skinny it doesnt look right, they look better with more wight. Another thing about the HIStory tour is that from the beginning to end we can see how much weight he lost over time. In the beginning of the tour those gold pants fit like a glove, toward the end they were loose and hanging off of him.
 
I too thought mj looked skinner than he ever did at the 2009 press conference but i guess maybe the way his wig was shaped it made his face looked skinner
 
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I wasn't even sure if it was Michael during the 2009 TII Announcement...

I believe the figures though given suggesting he gained weight. As others have said everyone carries their weight differently.
 
ivy said:
I was torn between 48 and 98 as well. To me it looks like 48. 98 is a high pulse and 48 is low.

However low pulse can be normal if he was training / dancing. According to my BF athletes - that are fit and in regular training - would have low pulse.
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My physician told me the same thing. A professional athlete usually has lower pulse rate because of the regular training. Since Michael had strong heart and danced regularly, he might indeed have lw pulse rate.
 
I also wonder as he was in training for a while when he died - if he could have been gaining weight / building muscle but looking thinner.

You know what I mean? As muscle is heavier than fat you'll gain weight but look thinner as muscle is more compact than fat.
 
When we saw that awful PIC of Michael when he has died you could not help but to notice the shape he was in. He had what I thought was a slight six pack and his arms had some tone. So maybe it was muscle
 
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