Dr Tohme Tohme, AEG and Colony Captial(who co-own Neverland)

[kasume]

We should encourage Geraldo to investegate this mystery man more, i think he is the only one interested in the truth.

I agree.

But the last time he brought up the investigation, which was last month, nothing was said that we didn't already know though.


But I bet Thome is hiding right now. If not, then he's just being very quiet, like the snake he is. I just wonder...what the hell that man is doing now?

 

[riviera1992]

the real interesting part is 4:20, "DEATH AND DESTRUCTION"

Sure is interesting since he'd also wrote "blood will be shed" in the letter to Julian Auction.

(song for Michael)

TT is the brawn
Barrack is the brain
Murray is a pawn
Sony is a pain

AEG fu*ked me
So did Colony
My fans loves me
And will avenge me

C'MON NOW!
HEE! HEE!

 

[amyzabeth]

I agree.

But the last time he brought up the investigation, which was last month, nothing was said that we didn't already know though.


But I bet Thome is hiding right now. If not, then he's just being very quiet, like the snake he is. I just wonder...what the hell that man is doing now?

I know, who knows what he is doing now. Since his "tookache" bs from the LK interview, I haven't heard a thing about him.

 

[kasume]

My fans loves me
And will avenge me

Yes, yes we will.

And as for Thome Thome, I can't find ANYTHING about him, except the articles of him wanting money, which are a few.

Anyways, I wonder what his real name is...

 

[triniti]

I hope law-enforcement reads here. I'm just a "little person," and I do not live in L.A. I am nobody, really. I AM a researcher, with a Ph.D. I do not have access to "inside" information (well, a little?). I've been researching this for six months, with others (here, and elsewhere). My conclusion now, is that "Dr." Tohme Tohme KILLED Michael, and that Conrad Murray is a scapegoat who will get off with a minimal sentence. This is what I truly believe. Tohme had both the motivation and the means, and I genuinely hope my car does not EXPLODE for saying this. As I thought it could during the trial, for my writings?

You, here, do not KNOW me, or know what I risked in the past. No matter, and I truly no longer give a crap. (and "infiltrators?" Go away or risk karmic destruction. For real.) I've had enough, and I loved Michael THAT much. I'm not the only one who thinks this, and it will NOT go away.

LAPD? Do your jobs? And thank you? I am so DONE.

I understand what you feel. Thank you and the others on the board for everything you were doing during the trial. You are my heros.

Here is a place where funs give you thanks for it.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php...-MJ-During-The-2005-Trial/240274047380?ref=mf

sorry for off top

I don't know if Dr Thome Thome is the only person responsible but Murray. I suppose it maybe deeper and more complicated. Your thorough investigation indicates it. He was the one who maybe pressed the trigger. I can't understand why Jermaine hasn't distanced himself from him. It's hard to imagine.

 

[kasume]

I don't know if Dr Thome Thome is the only person responsible but Murray. I suppose it maybe deeper and more complicated. Your thorough investigation indicates it. He was the one who maybe pressed the trigger. I can't understand why Jermaine hasn't distanced himself from him. It's hard to imagine.

I just think Jermaine doesn't have a clue of what's going on. Simple as that.

And as for him introducing Thome to Michael, I think it's possible, Thome Thome talked Jermaine into introducing him to Michael.

Who was it that said Jermaine introduced Thome to Michael and insisted for Thome because he knew him? Was it Thome himself? But I think it was someone from AEG. Because if it was Thome who said it, then it's probably a lie. That guy is almost incapable of telling a truth. I say almost incapable because there could be at least one truth we don't know about...I don't know...

It just doesn't seem right to me. Because from what I've heard, it sounds like Thome would have NEVER been Michael's manager if Jermaine hadn't introduced them both. But the things that Thome has done, the amount of control, all the lying, the threatening...seems like he had SOMTHING TO DO. He WANTED to be Michael's manager. Jermain or no jermaine, he would have done something to get close to Michael.

Like I said before, I think Jermaine was like a comfort level for him to get to Michael. And Thome KNEW that Jermaine is clueless.

 

[triniti]

It's great possibility that Thome took advantage of Jermaine. If so on he manipulated facts perfectly. I always was thinking what Jermaine had to do with it. I fell into Thome's plot. He was in the hospital to put credibility into his position. It's beyond belief.

Canceled the interview, maybe someone advised him? After all, he wanted it at the beginning.

Thank you for made it clear.

 

[Autumn II]

I understand what you feel. Thank you and the others on the board for everything you were doing during the trial. You are my heros.

Here is a place where funs give you thanks for it.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php...-MJ-During-The-2005-Trial/240274047380?ref=mf

sorry for off top

I don't know if Dr Thome Thome is the only person responsible but Murray. I suppose it maybe deeper and more complicated. Your thorough investigation indicates it. He was the one who maybe pressed the trigger. I can't understand why Jermaine hasn't distanced himself from him. It's hard to imagine.

Aww, thank you! Sadly, I don't DO Facebook, though, and won't be able to read it. I just can't do FB. I was "required" to have FB for my last "academic" job. I never did anything with it. I have hundreds, if not thousands! of former students, and simply cannot spend that much time online keeping ahead of it.

I did work very, very hard during the trial. I was. . .driven. . in a sense? I used my best skills and I did what I know how to do. I lost a lot of income because of that investigative work, because I'm a professional editor (among other things), and did free-lance editing. I had to turn some of that work down because of the time the "trial investigations" were taking.

I can't prove who really killed Michael. I can only use logic, and what info I can find. I do think (in my opinion) that his murder was deliberate, and not accidental. There was a LOT of money to be made. And I keep thinking, Murray had NO motive (unless he was promised a huge amount of money down the road), to kill his only patient!

 

[kasume]

I can't prove who really killed Michael. I can only use logic, and what info I can find. I do think (in my opinion) that his murder was deliberate, and not accidental. There was a LOT of money to be made. And I keep thinking, Murray had NO motive (unless he was promised a huge amount of money down the road), to kill his only patient!

Yes, I to believe it was first degree.

Victoria, I don't know who deliberately killed Michael. But I'll just say that a motive can very well be hidden. That is a fact. One of the best American murders ever documented, had no "apparent motive". And I'm saying that, IF Murray deliberately killed Michael.

And I wonder if we will ever get confirmation that Thome was in that house with Michael that night or morning. It's not so hard to get confirmation, right? It isn't like someone can get into Michael Jackson's house, and then leave unnoticed.

And if Thome was in the room with Michael, he had to have come down the stairs. Wouldn't people have seen him? Especially the chef since she said she saw Murray go up and down the stairs.

 

[Autumn II]

And if Thome was in the room with Michael, he had to have come down the stairs. Wouldn't people have seen him? Especially the chef since she said she saw Murray go up and down the stairs.

Sure. And Tohme hired them ALL.

In my lifetime, I've realized that there are few "heroes." (Michael is at the top of my list in the "hero" department.) There are very few people who will risk themselves, their incomes, their families, and their lives, if it comes to that, to do the right thing. There are always excuses. . . .

I've mentioned Virginia Tech before, and the massacre? I was SO close to it, that I heard the gunfire. I will never forget it. There was this one guy. . his name was Kodrescu. (sp?) An Israeli, and a professor. (He was an older guy. He was a Holocaust survivor.) He heard the gunshots in the corridor. The shooter then was body-slamming the door of his classroom. He braced the door with his own body. He told his students to jump out the window. They did so, one-by-one. They all survived. He saved all those beautiful, young, lives. He saved ALL of them. When the last student had jumped, the professor was killed by a gunshot through the door. It really IS as serious as that. . . . now.

What I hope for now, is for SOMEONE who was in that house to be willing to take the shot through the door? Take it for our precious Michael, and for his children, and even for US, who are grieving so badly and who need justice?

I hope you understand what I'm saying? It really comes down to this. . .

Vic

 

[kasume]

Sure. And Tohme hired them ALL.

In my lifetime, I've realized that there are few "heroes." (Michael is at the top of my list in the "hero" department.) There are very few people who will risk themselves, their incomes, their families, and their lives, if it comes to that, to do the right thing. There are always excuses. . . .

I've mentioned Virginia Tech before, and the massacre? I was SO close to it, that I heard the gunfire. I will never forget it. There was this one guy. . his name was Kodrescu. (sp?) An Israeli, and a professor. (He was an older guy. He was a Holocaust survivor.) He heard the gunshots in the corridor. The shooter then was body-slamming the door of his classroom. He braced the door with his own body. He told his students to jump out the window. They did so, one-by-one. They all survived. He saved all those beautiful, young, lives. He saved ALL of them. When the last student had jumped, the professor was killed by a gunshot through the door. It really IS as serious as that. . . . now.

What I hope for now, is for SOMEONE who was in that house to be willing to take the shot through the door? Take it for our precious Michael, and for his children, and even for US, who are grieving so badly and who need justice?

I hope you understand what I'm saying? It really comes down to this. . .

Vic

Yes, I know what you mean.

But I never heard that Thome hired the chef....but it is possible.....

Could that be where the money problems came from that caused her to leave??

And I wonder who was the chef during the time she was gone? Did they notice the same things Kai noticed? That is important.

Certainly, there was a new chef while she was gone, right? I mean, who cooked the meals? Michael?

And if I remember correctly, Murray was hired around the time Kai left, right?????

 

[Dangerous Incorporated]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf5v5OhgbOQ

 

[Popescu]

Sure. And Tohme hired them ALL.

I've mentioned Virginia Tech before, and the massacre? I was SO close to it, that I heard the gunfire. I will never forget it. There was this one guy. . his name was Kodrescu. (sp?) An Israeli, and a professor. (He was an older guy. He was a Holocaust survivor.) He heard the gunshots in the corridor. The shooter then was body-slamming the door of his classroom. He braced the door with his own body. He told his students to jump out the window. They did so, one-by-one. They all survived. He saved all those beautiful, young, lives. He saved ALL of them. When the last student had jumped, the professor was killed by a gunshot through the door. It really IS as serious as that. . . . now.


Vic

Super off topic, and I'm really sorry
Most of the romanian name endings are in -escu, so I did a reasearch, his name is Liviu Librescu.
He is a a Romanian born and educated Israeli-American scientist (wiki :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liviu_Librescu), and managed to escape communist Romania when he was 48 years old.
He died in the massacre, but he did save the students. A true hero!

Thank you so much for sharing!

 

[Maria MJ]

Yes, I to believe it was first degree.

Victoria, I don't know who deliberately killed Michael. But I'll just say that a motive can very well be hidden. That is a fact. One of the best American murders ever documented, had no "apparent motive". And I'm saying that, IF Murray deliberately killed Michael.

And I wonder if we will ever get confirmation that Thome was in that house with Michael that night or morning. It's not so hard to get confirmation, right? It isn't like someone can get into Michael Jackson's house, and then leave unnoticed.

And if Thome was in the room with Michael, he had to have come down the stairs. Wouldn't people have seen him? Especially the chef since she said she saw Murray go up and down the stairs.

Tohme could have done the job while Murray was out making phonecalls! He may not even have known what was happening behind his back!! Why? because he would be more credible this way,he wouldn't have to lie.
If the place was instantly marked as crime scene they would have seized everything,including the garbage.And god knows what they would have found in the remainders of the fatal vial of propofol!
This is why everything was delayed.
This is why all the staff got fired on the spot.
This is why the CCTV tapes got missing.

 

[Autumn II]

Super off topic, and I'm really sorry
Most of the romanian name endings are in -escu, so I did a reasearch, his name is Liviu Librescu.
He is a a Romanian born and educated Israeli-American scientist (wiki :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liviu_Librescu), and managed to escape communist Romania when he was 48 years old.
He died in the massacre, but he did save the students. A true hero!

Thank you so much for sharing!

Sorry about getting the name wrong! (It was late, and I was very tired). But yeah, Romanian! He truly did save those students. It was incredible. He took charge as best he could, and got them jumping out the window. Thank God it was an older building and the windows opened. In newer buildings, they don't. It was on the second floor, and some students were injured when they jumped onto the lawn and sidewalks. But all survived. His family was not surprised to hear what he'd done. They said he was "like that." A hero. A friend of mine was in an adjacent building and saw the students jumping.

In terms of what happened in Michael's house on June 25, there must be SOMEONE who knows something. There was the cook, housekeepers, security staff, and who knows who else? I expect the Security tapes have been destroyed now, but surely someone saw or heard SOMETHING? I hardly think their confidentiality agreements would apply in a murder investigation?

 

[dirtydiana27]

Sorry about getting the name wrong! (It was late, and I was very tired). But yeah, Romanian! He truly did save those students. It was incredible. He took charge as best he could, and got them jumping out the window. Thank God it was an older building and the windows opened. In newer buildings, they don't. It was on the second floor, and some students were injured when they jumped onto the lawn and sidewalks. But all survived. His family was not surprised to hear what he'd done. They said he was "like that." A hero. A friend of mine was in an adjacent building and saw the students jumping.

In terms of what happened in Michael's house on June 25, there must be SOMEONE who knows something. There was the cook, housekeepers, security staff, and who knows who else? I expect the Security tapes have been destroyed now, but surely someone saw or heard SOMETHING? I hardly think their confidentiality agreements would apply in a murder investigation?

Absolutely incredible story--and such selfless courage of this Professor!! Few have the integrity and strength to do something this brave!!

And, yes -- IMO it will take someone that was there on June 25th to bravely come forward with what they know, especially since we all doubt those missing CCTV tapes will ever surface. Someone out there knows more than they are sharing, someone either at the home that night or someone who JUST KNOWS SOMETHING--- and if this "someone" doesn't do the right thing--the chances are pretty good that Murray will get a slap on the wrist and be on his merry way! BTW, Victoria83--I want to commend all of your labor of love efforts during the trial--thank you for this--and I am afraid it will now be up to the fans once again to stand up for Michael and fight for justice for him.

 

[Popescu]

Absolutely incredible story--and such selfless courage of this Professor!! Few have the integrity and strength to do something this brave!!

And, yes -- IMO it will take someone that was there on June 25th to bravely come forward with what they know, especially since we all doubt those missing CCTV tapes will ever surface. Someone out there knows more than they are sharing, someone either at the home that night or someone who JUST KNOWS SOMETHING--- and if this "someone" doesn't do the right thing--the chances are pretty good that Murray will get a slap on the wrist and be on his merry way! BTW, Victoria83--I want to commend all of your labor of love efforts during the trial--thank you for this--and I am afraid it will now be up to the fans once again to stand up for Michael and fight for justice for him.

I've been meaning to tell you this for quite some time now. If those people signed confidentiality agreements, and I think they did, they won't come forward. Imagine being a bodyguard and having to sign that you owe say, 1 mil dollars to your employer, should you say anything about anything that happened during the time you were hired. No sane person would do that.

Also, if our speculations are real, these people fear more than having to pay vast amounts of money. They risk losing their lives. They were employees. Not fans, not people who loved Mike, just employees. Would an average person risk losing everything for the truth? The answer is, sadly, no.

 

[amyzabeth]

Sorry about getting the name wrong! (It was late, and I was very tired). But yeah, Romanian! He truly did save those students. It was incredible. He took charge as best he could, and got them jumping out the window. Thank God it was an older building and the windows opened. In newer buildings, they don't. It was on the second floor, and some students were injured when they jumped onto the lawn and sidewalks. But all survived. His family was not surprised to hear what he'd done. They said he was "like that." A hero. A friend of mine was in an adjacent building and saw the students jumping.

In terms of what happened in Michael's house on June 25, there must be SOMEONE who knows something. There was the cook, housekeepers, security staff, and who knows who else? I expect the Security tapes have been destroyed now, but surely someone saw or heard SOMETHING? I hardly think their confidentiality agreements would apply in a murder investigation?

Yea, I agree, there were too many people in that house for someone not to know something. I just wish someone would come forward with what they know? Or maybe they feel threatned and are scared themselves? I don't know. I just hope that someone who knows anything about what occurred in that house that day will just come forward and tell the proper authorities.

 

[bouee]

IMO, a confidentiality agreement is only meant to avoid the employees from giving information to the media, or the public, in any way.

I really don't think a confidentiality agreement can stop them from talking to the police, or to the authorities in general. I don't think it would be legal.
If the employees, or any other person, are questionned by the authorities, they will have to answer and they'd better tell the truth, or they might get in trouble for lying to the police.

 

[dirtydiana27]

I've been meaning to tell you this for quite some time now. If those people signed confidentiality agreements, and I think they did, they won't come forward. Imagine being a bodyguard and having to sign that you owe say, 1 mil dollars to your employer, should you say anything about anything that happened during the time you were hired. No sane person would do that.

Also, if our speculations are real, these people fear more than having to pay vast amounts of money. They risk losing their lives. They were employees. Not fans, not people who loved Mike, just employees. Would an average person risk losing everything for the truth? The answer is, sadly, no.

In most cases, confidentiality agreements would bar someone from, say, going to the press with a story or divulge secrets concerning the employer. However, in a homicide investigation--if there is a witness who has knowledge concerning the homicide--the person's civic duty overrides the agreement. It is probably prudent to contact an attorney as to the person's rights and responsibilities--especially in the case of the person receiving a grand jury subpoena (which may happen in this case).

I do agree with you about the risk being much more than just money, and unfortunately I agree that most will not take the risk--just wishful thinking on my part.

 

[MJJ7777]

IMO, a confidentiality agreement is only meant to avoid the employees from giving information to the media, or the public, in any way.

I really don't think a confidentiality agreement can stop them from talking to the police, or to the authorities in general. I don't think it would be legal.
If the employees, or any other person, are questionned by the authorities, they will have to answer and they'd better tell the truth, or they might get in trouble for lying to the police.

yeah...isn't the confidentiality agreement completely invalid when it comes to State Authority???

It's more likely that they fear for their lives more than a confidentiality agreement.

 

[bouee]

yeah...isn't the confidentiality agreement completely invalid when it comes to State Authority???

It's more likely that they fear for their lives more than a confidentiality agreement.

Well if they had confidentiality agreements, and they surely did, they are certainly not going to say anything publicly.

Now, at this point, we don't know what they told the authorities.. They might fear for their lives, but lying to the investigators, or trying to hide important facts could put them in big trouble also, so.. I don't know, really.

 

[earth child]

I've been meaning to tell you this for quite some time now. If those people signed confidentiality agreements, and I think they did, they won't come forward. Imagine being a bodyguard and having to sign that you owe say, 1 mil dollars to your employer, should you say anything about anything that happened during the time you were hired. No sane person would do that.

Also, if our speculations are real, these people fear more than having to pay vast amounts of money. They risk losing their lives. They were employees. Not fans, not people who loved Mike, just employees. Would an average person risk losing everything for the truth? The answer is, sadly, no.

I totally agree. Fear is a powerful tool. It is used on us every day to pass more and more laws to take away our rights and we allow it, out of fear. The lastest "underwear bomber" is a good example.

 

[Maria MJ]

In most cases, confidentiality agreements would bar someone from, say, going to the press with a story or divulge secrets concerning the employer. However, in a homicide investigation--if there is a witness who has knowledge concerning the homicide--the person's civic duty overrides the agreement. It is probably prudent to contact an attorney as to the person's rights and responsibilities--especially in the case of the person receiving a grand jury subpoena (which may happen in this case).

I do agree with you about the risk being much more than just money, and unfortunately I agree that most will not take the risk--just wishful thinking on my part.

Yes,the confidentiality agreement applies to releasing info to the public that may cause damage to your employer. I know because I have signed one myself. I don't think this pertains to legal investigation let alone murder investigation! Besides who would be the employer they are harming? Michael or AEG?
My intake is that there is no violation here.If no one talks it means that these people have been directly threatened.
Isn't there a witness protection program applicable?

 

[Popescu]

Yes,the confidentiality agreement applies to releasing info to the public that may cause damage to your employer. I know because I have signed one myself. I don't think this pertains to legal investigation let alone murder investigation! Besides who would be the employer they are harming? Michael or AEG?

Yeap, that was in the back of my mind, we speculated many times here that they were NOT MJ's employees anymore. But all of you are right, the agreement doesn't stand when the authorities get involved. But the theory about threats remains valid, remember the call allegedly made by Tohme concerning the auction, and also the video we discussed the other day, about his other threats?

This web is so tangled, AEG, Tohme, NOI... An employee might be thinking that if in fact they did kill Mike, he stands no chance, witness programme or not. Especially if he KNOWS for sure that this is what happened.
Also, silence can be bought, just like scapegoats can be bought. I'm really speculating a lot here, but it the line would be something like this : "Take the money and go away, or else..."

 

[dirtydiana27]

Yes,the confidentiality agreement applies to releasing info to the public that may cause damage to your employer. I know because I have signed one myself. I don't think this pertains to legal investigation let alone murder investigation! Besides who would be the employer they are harming? Michael or AEG?
My intake is that there is no violation here.If no one talks it means that these people have been directly threatened.
Isn't there a witness protection program applicable?

Yeap, that was in the back of my mind, we speculated many times here that they were NOT MJ's employees anymore. But all of you are right, the agreement doesn't stand when the authorities get involved. But the theory about threats remains valid, remember the call allegedly made by Tohme concerning the auction, and also the video we discussed the other day, about his other threats?

This web is so tangled, AEG, Tohme, NOI... An employee might be thinking that if in fact they did kill Mike, he stands no chance, witness programme or not. Especially if he KNOWS for sure that this is what happened.
Also, silence can be bought, just like scapegoats can be bought. I'm really speculating a lot here, but it the line would be something like this : "Take the money and go away, or else..."

Threatened or bought off!!! Unfortunately, corruption and greed usually win, as we have seen with the conspirators--poor Michael--he never had a chance.

 

[kasume]

Also, silence can be bought, just like scapegoats can be bought. I'm really speculating a lot here, but it the line would be something like this : "Take the money and go away, or else..."

Silence must be heard.

 

[Autumn II]

Yeap, that was in the back of my mind, we speculated many times here that they were NOT MJ's employees anymore. But all of you are right, the agreement doesn't stand when the authorities get involved. But the theory about threats remains valid, remember the call allegedly made by Tohme concerning the auction, and also the video we discussed the other day, about his other threats?

This web is so tangled, AEG, Tohme, NOI... An employee might be thinking that if in fact they did kill Mike, he stands no chance, witness programme or not. Especially if he KNOWS for sure that this is what happened.
Also, silence can be bought, just like scapegoats can be bought. I'm really speculating a lot here, but it the line would be something like this : "Take the money and go away, or else..."

Yes the theory about threats is, indeed, a valid opinion. Julien's reps were threatened with "bloodshed." "Death and destruction" was mentioned after Tohme was fired. And. . Michael said he was afraid of him.

These are immensely wealthy and powerful people, and involved in LA politics. I just want ONE person (two would be better) to speak up!

 

[kasume]

Hopefully, at least when this thing goes to trial, SOMEONE will speak up. Anyone.

But when I see Murray, he always looks like he is holding something back. I just look at him and I see he knows things. It's in his eyes. They aren't clueless.

But if he doesn't want to speak up, then at least someone else.

As for Thome, he probably knows EVERYTHING. Which is why he hasn't shown his face since the announcement of Michael's death.

 

[amyzabeth]

Hopefully, at least when this thing goes to trial, SOMEONE will speak up. Anyone.

But when I see Murray, he always looks like he is holding something back. I just look at him and I see he knows things. It's in his eyes. They aren't clueless.

But if he doesn't want to speak up, then at least someone else.

As for Thome, he probably knows EVERYTHING. Which is why he hasn't shown his face since the announcement of Michael's death.

The only time he has shown his face is on like the early show or good morning america. I can't remember which one it was. But he did a very short interview maybe a few days or so after the 25th? I can't remember. But he just kept saying that he was Michael's "everything" manager, financial advisor, everything. :smilerolleyes: Basically he was just continuing on with his flood of lies.