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Frank DiLeo Speaks about AEG shows and the Day MJ Died

kasume said:
My uncle spoke with Jermaine on the 26th, and said Jermaine told him that Michael asked to be taken to the hospital the night before he died but the doctor wouldn't take him and told Michael he was fine instead.

Jermain's story and Liza's add up well. Unlike Murray's, the nurse's and Kleine's. Isn't that a shocker....

I'm sure Jermaine told the investigators about that though.

But, that brings up another question. If Michael was feeling bad the night before and felt he needed to go to the hospital (and we know if Michael asks to go to the hospital then he really needs to go!), then something was clearly wrong with him BEFORE the propofol was injected.
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Thats interesting because lupus causes chest pains. People who have lupus is supposed to go to the hospital if they are feeling any chest pains. I have heard Michael has been hospitalized with chest pains before, possibly several times before. However, if he died of anything related to that, I assume we would have heard about it by now. But then again, people are so evil out there, they probably want these drug rumors out there instead of just telling the truth.
 
I do believe that if Michael died of natural causes, i.e. heart-attack, that would have been revealed by the autopsies. No one, NO ONE, has said, or "leaked," or hinted, that he died of natural causes or a disease-process such as lupus or heart-disease. If that had been the case, there would have been no "investigation," I'm thinking? He may have had chest-pain. If he did, that still could be unrelated to his death? There is so MUCH we do not know. . . . . .
 
Mechi said:
Superstition I think Michael should have listened to you before... when even older stars do 50 shows in just one place... 'breaking the record of Prince' maybe wouldn't have been this important to Michael?
"Hey Mike forget the record old ppl are doing that easily on stage what you're doing and they do perform just as often!"
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Actually, what Michael did was different. He sold out 50 shows in one single city, in one arena. That has never been done before and it is a feat which no other performer in the world could achieve. That was even stated on the dance audition video we saw.

He broke the record for most people ever to see one single artist in one single city, and the record for most people to attend a series of performances at an arena. But sadly, I guess those were taken away. Hopefuly, the record he broke for fastest ticket sales in history is still with him :mello:
 
BONGANI said:
Superstition bud, Michael DID tell fans he didn't want to do the shows. I was on Karen's page lastnite and many other who were there backed it up. One of them went to the tabloids the very same day, and that's when security started to be a bit more resrective (after the story was published. For the record, I don't subscribe to the whole "AEG are murderers train." Maybe Thohme ok'd the dates without Michaels approval and thats why he got fired, by then the tickets were already made available. I also believe Mike could have easily done 50 shows given the break.
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The Michael I know would not agree to do these shows if he didn't want to do them, he is far too savvy. I can see him joking about how many he is doing (and that being taken the wrong way) but Michael is too smart to allow himself to be manipulated into 40 more shows that he orignally agreed too.

When people say he was fooled into doing these shows, it feels to me like they are insulting his intelligence and business accumen.
 
Cris123 said:
If there are still fans who are confused about the situation, I advise you to join Karen's facebook right now. There is interesting discussion going on and my friends (Michael's followers) are telling it how it is. If you can take it, go there and read for yourselves. The truth needs to come out otherwise the people who truly loved him and tried to do something in his last days won't have closure. And the truth always heals a bit.
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well karen keeps deleting shit that contradicts her so no help there


sorry but i believe socal over that woman....

and i believe what mj was saying before and after the rehearsals. he didn'tthinkhe could do it. he was lampooned

the mike u know wouldn't have been roped into this? well then ask frank y he had to be told about it and three separate people had to talk to him cuz it don't sound lik ehe knew shit.
 
kasume said:
Actually, what Michael did was different. He sold out 50 shows in one single city, in one arena. That has never been done before and it is a feat which no other performer in the world could achieve. That was even stated on the dance audition video we saw.

He broke the record for most people ever to see one single artist in one single city, and the record for most people to attend a series of performances at an arena. But sadly, I guess those were taken away. Hopefuly, the record he broke for fastest ticket sales in history is still with him :mello:
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hmmmmm you got it that the following quote was pure sarcasm on my side, don't you...
"Hey Mike forget the record old ppl are doing that easily on stage what you're doing and they do perform just as often!"
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just in case... thought I should tell better.
Sorry if it wasn't clear before.
 
Victoria83 said:
I do believe that if Michael died of natural causes, i.e. heart-attack, that would have been revealed by the autopsies. No one, NO ONE, has said, or "leaked," or hinted, that he died of natural causes or a disease-process such as lupus or heart-disease. If that had been the case, there would have been no "investigation," I'm thinking? He may have had chest-pain. If he did, that still could be unrelated to his death? There is so MUCH we do not know. . . . . .
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yep.

the fact that this is still an "investigation" as well as the fact that the autopsy records have been sealed tell me you're on the right track.
 
Seven said:
The Michael I know would not agree to do these shows if he didn't want to do them, he is far too savvy. I can see him joking about how many he is doing (and that being taken the wrong way) but Michael is too smart to allow himself to be manipulated into 40 more shows that he orignally agreed too.

When people say he was fooled into doing these shows, it feels to me like they are insulting his intelligence and business accumen.
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seriously!?!? i dont get it when people say this.. what, from his actions over the last 10 or so years has suggested to you that he is so savvy? look at that auction fiasco... when Dr Thome had power of attorney and MJ had no idea his things were being sold until a FAN TOLD HIM.. so he managed to stop it at the last minute.. savvy???
what about him agreeing to those millenium shows, then backing out. agreeing to record albums with people in bahrain , then backing out... ensuring legal battles followed him everytime
What about the world music awards in London where he had to DENY there was going to be a performance on the red carpet beforehand... ensuring a lampooning by the press..
what about Bashir doc where he signed away any editorial control?
what about hiring Dr Thome in the first place.. a total shady character who wont even reveal his AGE to interviewers.. who wont reveal ANY of his past business experience.. can you seriously imagine someone like this being hired by say.. Madonna?

Yes i think MJ used to be very savy .. but not anymore.. and i dont blame him with all he'd been through. clearly michael had serious problems with medications and that suited those around him cos he kept signing dodgey deals and they could carry on rinsing money out of his accounts..

These fans saw MJ almost every day in May and June.. it appears MJ had little contact with those outside of the show in this time.. except the fans.. how tragic he had noone to speak to , except fans.. these fans have no reson to lie.. its the last thing they would do now.. and they said MJ was practically CRYING when he was saying about the 50 show thing...
all those at AEG clearly saw michaels health fading (backed up by these fans and karen) and they let the show continue.. forcing MJ onto the stage like a bloody circus dog.. it makes me sick
 
Soso, I'm not actually saying to join Karen's facebook to see what she has to say necessarily, but to read what Michael's fans who actually saw him day in and out for the last months have to say. I don't want to repeat here everything they say. The bottom line is: lots of people saw Michael dying right under their eyes and did nothing. Now they have the nerve to go on TV and say he was in top notch form. Michael only had his loyal fans left to "save" him. If only we had known more and earlier, we would have moved mountains. There is no reason for him to be dead! It could have been prevented. I feel tormented that we attempted to do something too late
 
Cris123 said:
Soso, I'm not actually saying to join Karen's facebook to see what she has to say necessarily, but to read what Michael's fans who actually saw him day in and out for the last months have to say. I don't want to repeat here everything they say. The bottom line is: lots of people saw Michael dying right under their eyes and did nothing. Now they have the nerve to go on TV and say he was in top notch form. Michael only had his loyal fans left to "save" him. If only we had known more and earlier, we would have moved mountains. There is no reason for him to be dead! It could have been prevented. I feel tormented that we attempted to do something too late
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thats exactly how i feel

tormented is the word :(
 
MJJ2theMAX said:
seriously!?!? i dont get it when people say this.. what, from his actions over the last 10 or so years has suggested to you that he is so savvy? look at that auction fiasco... when Dr Thome had power of attorney and MJ had no idea his things were being sold until a FAN TOLD HIM.. so he managed to stop it at the last minute.. savvy???
what about him agreeing to those millenium shows, then backing out. agreeing to record albums with people in bahrain , then backing out... ensuring legal battles followed him everytime
What about the world music awards in London where he had to DENY there was going to be a performance on the red carpet beforehand... ensuring a lampooning by the press..
what about Bashir doc where he signed away any editorial control?
what about hiring Dr Thome in the first place.. a total shady character who wont even reveal his AGE to interviewers.. who wont reveal ANY of his past business experience.. can you seriously imagine someone like this being hired by say.. Madonna?

Yes i think MJ used to be very savy .. but not anymore.. and i dont blame him with all he'd been through. clearly michael had serious problems with medications and that suited those around him cos he kept signing dodgey deals and they could carry on rinsing money out of his accounts..

These fans saw MJ almost every day in May and June.. it appears MJ had little contact with those outside of the show in this time.. except the fans.. how tragic he had noone to speak to , except fans.. these fans have no reson to lie.. its the last thing they would do now.. and they said MJ was practically CRYING when he was saying about the 50 show thing...
all those at AEG clearly saw michaels health fading (backed up by these fans and karen) and they let the show continue.. forcing MJ onto the stage like a bloody circus dog.. it makes me sick
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I have to admit that I don't know the ins and outs of his recent business arrangements so will not comment on individual circumtances that I do not know anything about.

However you are indicating that Michael was so weak (mentally and/or physically) that he was completely controlled by others and being forced to sign and agree to things he did not want to do? The man who stood on that O2 stage for the tour announcements was firm saying he would do no more shows but looked articulate and 'sober' to me. You are saying he was helpless and was literally being used as a slave to those around him. That is a hell of a thing to say.

I am not saying the fans are lying, but I find it hard to believe that Michael would be forced to do so many things against his will.
 
Seven said:
I have to admit that I don't know the ins and outs of his recent business arrangements so will not comment on individual circumtances that I do not know anything about.

However you are indicating that Michael was so weak (mentally and/or physically) that he was completely controlled by others and being forced to sign and agree to things he did not want to do? The man who stood on that O2 stage for the tour announcements was firm saying he would do no more shows but looked articulate and 'sober' to me. You are saying he was helpless and was literally being used as a slave to those around him. That is a hell of a thing to say.

I am not saying the fans are lying, but I find it hard to believe that Michael would be forced to do so many things against his will.
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ok..well just look at one example then.. that auction.. MJ had no idea that his stuff was being sold until A FAN told him... thats cos others had power of attorney to sign documents for him

I truely believe he was being used as a slave by those around him (ie AEG).. like a performing monkey. its disgusting.... reading Karens facebook last night, and hearing about what fans saw.. (fans who have always been true to MJ and are very trustworthy and would never lie at a time like this)... i realise the mess MJ got himself in.. and how AEG were benefitting from this mess... theres NO WAY he was fit enough for these shows... i am still shaking with anger

and now we will have to watch a film of him dying before our eyes whilst lining AEGs pockets whilst we go and see it (i know most goes to the estate so thats good). But this film will be edited to make it look like all was fine.. and we'll have frank and kenny yabbering about MJs "body of an astronaught"....

meanwhile.. fans have the emails they sent Karen on 21 June.. Karen has the emails and messages she sent to the controllers of the show begging for a psychologist... they know the truth and they have the evidence.. and i hope the truth comes out...
 
Thanks mjj2themax, alot for what you've posted about in your last 2 post are similar to what I was also told by other fans who speak to the family osscasionally.

I have never read Karen's facebook, but what you are saying sounds very interesting.

The men in their designer suits don't want the truth out but I too pray somehow, it does come out.
 
Seven said:
The Michael I know would not agree to do these shows if he didn't want to do them, he is far too savvy. I can see him joking about how many he is doing (and that being taken the wrong way) but Michael is too smart to allow himself to be manipulated into 40 more shows that he orignally agreed too.

When people say he was fooled into doing these shows, it feels to me like they are insulting his intelligence and business accumen.
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Exactly. He was either a sharp businessman or he wasn't. If he allowed himself to be roped into doing 40 shows he didn't want to do, then everyone who went around saying how sharp of a businessman he was are contradicting themselves.

I'm sorry, I just can't for the life of me fathoming him being caught off guard. 40+ years in show business and he doesn't know how many concerts he's agreeing to?

Also, people are manipulating what I said. When I said he's doing 50 shows and older artists do that all the time, I didn't mean any artist can sell out 50 shows at one arena. I'm simply saying other artists physically do 50 or more shows, and many of them are very high-energy shows.
 
MJJ2theMAX said:
seriously!?!? i dont get it when people say this.. what, from his actions over the last 10 or so years has suggested to you that he is so savvy? look at that auction fiasco... when Dr Thome had power of attorney and MJ had no idea his things were being sold until a FAN TOLD HIM.. so he managed to stop it at the last minute.. savvy???
what about him agreeing to those millenium shows, then backing out. agreeing to record albums with people in bahrain , then backing out... ensuring legal battles followed him everytime
What about the world music awards in London where he had to DENY there was going to be a performance on the red carpet beforehand... ensuring a lampooning by the press..
what about Bashir doc where he signed away any editorial control?
what about hiring Dr Thome in the first place.. a total shady character who wont even reveal his AGE to interviewers.. who wont reveal ANY of his past business experience.. can you seriously imagine someone like this being hired by say.. Madonna?

Yes i think MJ used to be very savy .. but not anymore.. and i dont blame him with all he'd been through. clearly michael had serious problems with medications and that suited those around him cos he kept signing dodgey deals and they could carry on rinsing money out of his accounts..
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I see it differently. For the past 10 years or so, the contracts that MJ made to protect himself were totally ignored or breached. The auction for example, in court documents, MJ's side of the story was MJ was supposed to approve of what was being sold which didn't happen. Bashir, from my understanding, MJ did sign a contract for editorial control and even had his own camera going to show he was serious about protecting himself but even though those contracts were ignored and there was nothing he could do to stop it from airing. He went to court but, the damage has already been done. Now if MJ signed a contract for 10 shows and did a press conference announcing 10 shows and AEG sells out 50 when he's financially and professionally vulnerable, there's not much he can do to stop it. The entertainment business is tricky. It seems that MJ was very patient and persistant to getting his way and people he did business with would pretent to give in then find a way around their agreement or just be bold enough to flat out ignore it and do whatever they wanted.
 
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I'm sorry, no sane person is going to get on stage and do 40 shows they never agreed to. It just doesn't happen.
 
Frank Dileo should fall on his knees and ask God for forgiveness for any blame he has in the death of Michael Jackson.
But, Frank Dileo will not, because he knows no shame. Frank Dileo thinks entirely of himself.
These are the kind of people left here on Earth for us to deal with.
God Help Us. :angel:
 
Superstition said:
I'm sorry, no sane person is going to get on stage and do 40 shows they never agreed to. It just doesn't happen.
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It does happen. He gave too much (POA) away to those who were supposed to be "employees" overseeing his business-transactions, and then he found himself locked into contracts that were not to his benefit. He just trusted too much. He nearly didn't save his precious belongings from the auction, for just one example. He couldn't seem to break that trend, for whatever reason. The days when he signed every check over fifty-dollars were long gone.
 
Superstition said:
I'm sorry, no sane person is going to get on stage and do 40 shows they never agreed to. It just doesn't happen.
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look i realise how bonkers this sounds and a month or so ago i would have totally agreed with you

but fans that spoke to MJ said he was practically craying saying that this 50 date thing wasnt what he wanted

and these fans are trustworthy people who would never lie at a time like this... michael must have really lost control of things... but noone stopped this.. he had to wake up everyday to the reality that he had to do 50 shows.. no wonder he couldnt sleep
 
Victoria83 said:
It does happen. He gave too much (POA) away to those who were supposed to be "employees" overseeing his business-transactions, and then he found himself locked into contracts that were not to his benefit. He just trusted too much. He nearly didn't save his precious belongings from the auction, for just one example. He couldn't seem to break that trend, for whatever reason. The days when he signed every check over fifty-dollars were long gone.
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yep.. very sad but very true :no:
 
Cris123 said:
Soso, I'm not actually saying to join Karen's facebook to see what she has to say necessarily, but to read what Michael's fans who actually saw him day in and out for the last months have to say. I don't want to repeat here everything they say. The bottom line is: lots of people saw Michael dying right under their eyes and did nothing. Now they have the nerve to go on TV and say he was in top notch form. Michael only had his loyal fans left to "save" him. If only we had known more and earlier, we would have moved mountains. There is no reason for him to be dead! It could have been prevented. I feel tormented that we attempted to do something too late
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i know that to be true! we would've.

but those that were there adn did have access were told to hold offo n their plans to alert everyone to his problems. im talking media, family the whole works.

karen and frank told everyone to hold off on it and look, now he's gone
 
MJJ2theMAX said:
look i realise how bonkers this sounds and a month or so ago i would have totally agreed with you

but fans that spoke to MJ said he was practically craying saying that this 50 date thing wasnt what he wanted

and these fans are trustworthy people who would never lie at a time like this... michael must have really lost control of things... but noone stopped this.. he had to wake up everyday to the reality that he had to do 50 shows.. no wonder he couldnt sleep
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Exactly, I can't think of one reason those fans would 'make that up' - why would they?? They'd want Michael to be fit and well to perform! whereas I can think of plenty of reasons why Randy Phillips might make up stuff - funny how he seems to have shut up now... yet he was so confident in what he was saying, if it was correct then why the silence now... yes the investigation I know but that hasn't stopped Dileo - no someone has told Randy to shut it I'm sure.
 
Victoria83 said:
It does happen. He gave too much (POA) away to those who were supposed to be "employees" overseeing his business-transactions, and then he found himself locked into contracts that were not to his benefit. He just trusted too much. He nearly didn't save his precious belongings from the auction, for just one example. He couldn't seem to break that trend, for whatever reason. The days when he signed every check over fifty-dollars were long gone.
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The question is then, why did he give away so much POA? If Michael found out they wanted him to do too many shows then he would have found a way to break the contract.

Remember these 50 dates would have set his financials up for the rest of his life, he could retire in peace, maybe even have more kids. Michael was always about the biggest and the best. Maybe he did bit off more than he could chew but to paint him as a drug addled slave is still off the mark to me.
 
frank was a friend of Michael, but at the end of the day he was a business man too, and right now he's putting his own interests above anything else, he's probably thinking since MJ's gone there's nothing I can do for him anymore
raymone, as pathetic as she was, she cared for MJ more than anythign else...I read a recent interview with her from Sister 2 sister, she seemed more like an infatuated fan who was lucky to work for him...she was not that good at what she was doing, but she cared for MJ's well being I believe her when she says that...Frank did too, but when it came to money I think he just pretended he didn't see things
 
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Seven said:
The question is then, why did he give away so much POA? If Michael found out they wanted him to do too many shows then he would have found a way to break the contract.

Remember these 50 dates would have set his financials up for the rest of his life, he could retire in peace, maybe even have more kids. Michael was always about the biggest and the best. Maybe he did bit off more than he could chew but to paint him as a drug addled slave is still off the mark to me.
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I'm not sure why he gave away POA so much. I think the trial broke his spirit. I seem to remember that his brother, Randy, had POA during the trial, at least for a time. (and then it was a series of other people, including Tohme, who was president of MJJProductions, for a YEAR.) After the trial Michael was very thin and weak, and I think if it had gone on one more week, he would have died. I think he just didn't want to be bothered with/couldn't cope with money matters and business anymore, and just wanted to raise his children.

Michael CHANGED after the trial. The damage it did to his health and emotions was severe. I think he just wanted to escape. . . . everything. That's why he stayed in Bahain for so long, and then in Ireland. He may have been just finding himself again, when this happened. . . .

I don't know about the drugs. I know he badly reinjured his back when he fell, during the trial. I think he coped with severe physical and emotional pain, for many years after that. Sneddon wanted to "run him out of the county." Well, he did. . . . . .

So, Michael got into the trend of giving away power to run his business affairs and make decisions. As far as the contract was concerned, it seems that it was written into it that he couldn't perform anywhere else until he'd fulfilled his London "obligations." I think he really expected only to do ten! But then it turned into fifty, or nothing. . . . . . he could do nothing else, perform nowhere else, until those shows were done. The contract signed FOR him was legally binding. And I think he knew he didn't have the physical stamina to do it. He was truly backed into a corner. He was TRYING, though. . . . . .
 
Soso Deaf said:
i know that to be true! we would've.

but those that were there adn did have access were told to hold offo n their plans to alert everyone to his problems. im talking media, family the whole works.

karen and frank told everyone to hold off on it and look, now he's gone
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Karen Faye and Frank Dileo told everyone, WHAT!!!??? And they aint being investiagted? WTF?
This is news to me........awful.
 
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