HIStory & me

That is just some of my memories that I had of that wonderful era. I could tell you more but most of it is school related. And you really don't need to know how much I was teased and made fun of in my high school. For liking Michael Jackson. Who I was the only fan of his in my entire high school full of haters. But I can tell you the last 2 years of my high school was when I really had enough of those kids hatefulness towards Michael. And I really fought back and defended him. And I became an attack dog. Back then you seriously did not want to mess with me when it came to Michael Jackson.

This is because you are an individual and those who made fun of you are just sheep who'd rather want to fit in with the crowd, not daring to like anything which is not approved by their peers. And I think those kids make fun of the kids who dare to be different and be their own person because secretly they envy them, because they know they dare to do something they don't. You don't have to like a certain music and artist. But why make fun of someone who does? Such behavior oozes insecurity, IMO.
 
STANDING UP for someone takes COURAGE and BADness ;)

I've seen it in REAL life between colleagues... I've seen someone LOSE her 'identity' cause then she fitted into their 'narrow minded' thinking... :scratch:SAD really...


This was me for so long! Until Michael showed me the way back home :) Now, I am so Bad.
 
And one thing I forgot to mention in my post on here. Even though I am a life long MJ fan. It was the HIStory Era that made me the hardcore MJ fan that I am now. It was that era where I became really obsessed over him. Even now I am still surprise of how I was able to graduate from high school. Where my mind was only on Michael. And the obsession I had for him. I remember wanting to go to school early before the first bell rang. So I can spend some time on the internet in my school library. So I can look at some MJ sites before school actually starts. Even though the library internet was almost strictly to be use for studying only. And in a way I was using it for studying. I was studying Michael. What else was there to study at the time? I also even remember sitting right in the classroom listening to Michael. Instead of listening to the teacher. Michael was so much more interesting to listen to. Than what my teacher had to say. Plus in a way my teacher kind of allowed me to listen to him. I even spent my lunch times listening to Michael. Because I just so very badly needed to hear his voice again. And I even went to and from school listening to him. The second that last bell of the day rang. Even a few minutes before that. My headphones came on my head as well as my walkman or cd player. And I listen to one of my MJ cds or tapes that I had in my bookbag at the time. And I always carried with me in my bag some sort of a picture of Michael. I just could not get through a single school day without having at least one picture of him on me. I even remember my mother taking me to see 2 or 3 psychologists in hoping to tame my obsession I had for Michael. As well as for some other reasons. But mainly to help control my MJ obsession. And none of them had helped for me. So I stopped going to them. My obsession for Michael you could say was totally out of control back then. You can blame those tight sexy gold pants of his. Thats what cause it to go out of control. And you know what I just so totally L.O.V.E. it too. Especially when I think of what my one friend at the time said in my senior year book. She wrote good luck in marrying Michael Jackson. Too bad that never really came true for me.
 
And one thing I forgot to mention in my post on here. Even though I am a life long MJ fan. It was the HIStory Era that made me the hardcore MJ fan that I am now. It was that era where I became really obsessed over him. Even now I am still surprise of how I was able to graduate from high school. Where my mind was only on Michael. And the obsession I had for him. I remember wanting to go to school early before the first bell rang. So I can spend some time on the internet in my school library. So I can look at some MJ sites before school actually starts. Even though the library internet was almost strictly to be use for studying only. And in a way I was using it for studying. I was studying Michael. What else was there to study at the time? I also even remember sitting right in the classroom listening to Michael. Instead of listening to the teacher. Michael was so much more interesting to listen to. Than what my teacher had to say. Plus in a way my teacher kind of allowed me to listen to him. I even spent my lunch times listening to Michael. Because I just so very badly needed to hear his voice again. And I even went to and from school listening to him. The second that last bell of the day rang. Even a few minutes before that. My headphones came on my head as well as my walkman or cd player. And I listen to one of my MJ cds or tapes that I had in my bookbag at the time. And I always carried with me in my bag some sort of a picture of Michael. I just could not get through a single school day without having at least one picture of him on me. I even remember my mother taking me to see 2 or 3 psychologists in hoping to tame my obsession I had for Michael. As well as for some other reasons. But mainly to help control my MJ obsession. And none of them had helped for me. So I stopped going to them. My obsession for Michael you could say was totally out of control back then. You can blame those tight sexy gold pants of his. Thats what cause it to go out of control. And you know what I just so totally L.O.V.E. it too. Especially when I think of what my one friend at the time said in my senior year book. She wrote good luck in marrying Michael Jackson. Too bad that never really came true for me.

You know, I SEE Myself in these BOLD lines...
I always have my MP3 player now with me... I call it my 'lifesaver' :bow: and I don't know how many 'portable' music players I 'broke' cause it only plays Michael... It went from headphones and walk man to a portable CD player and now I have a second MP3 player and the 'zillionth 'earphones... Doesn't matter what BRAND... I wear them out with blasting Michael music on... It gives me a SAVE feeling and gives me energy to go out into the BIG BAD world
:blink:

Indeed, School insisted that I should see a shrink when I was 16 cause I didn't have a boyfriend and I didn't 'behave' like 16 year old :smilerolleyes: Conditioning hey...

The first thing the shrink insisted on was I had to forget Michael... My 'obsession' with Michael was NOT normal... DUH...

My mum did the 'smart' thing and put her foot down and 'refused' to let me go again... She knows that Michael is the ONE that makes me HAPPY so we didn't understand WHY :heart: Michael was so 'forbidden'
:beee:

Oh, The GOLD Pants :heat: I SWEAR Michael did this on 'purpose' cause he's such a naughty boy :blush: Indeed, WHO doesn't :heart: the GOLD pants hey...
 
Katy Bird;3728613 said:
Not really. HIStory is still not available. The only available albums widely available are Invincible and Thriller 25. There were some compilation albums by the Jackson 5 and Number Ones right after he passed away, and now you can find The Essential, but that's about it. I was lucky to find a lot of DVDs in our shops, but now that's also become a rarity. This is a link to the list of MJ's stuff available in the biggest cd shop in Zagreb, which is the capital of Croatia:

Not a lot to choose from.

I didn’t know there are still countries like yours. :blink: Yeah, it’s quite possible. :mello:
So people should order CDs and DVDs via Internet and pay expensive shipping if items from abroad. :(
Thus people would be less motivated to purchase if they are not hardcore fans. <_<

When money does not circulate, the economy stigmatizes. Anyway, countries like yours would change little by little over time ...

My daughter stayed 2 weeks in Hyvar in summer 2010. She loved the isle. :D
 
MJ_Rocks My World;3728626 said:
i :heart: the HIStory album and i :heart: the song come together on it! :woohoo: :D i love that song :p

Hi, MJ_Rocks My World :ciao:
HIStory album is great, it is part of my three favorite albums. :happy:
It’s always very difficult to chose one favorite song.
I remember when I first listened the album, I was very impressed by Stranger in Moscow. It was my favorite song of this album for a long time and I still love it. I also love Michael’s robot moves on stage. :wub:
But since I heard the details of Michael’s last days, Earth Song became my favorite song. This song really makes me cry for many reasons. :cry:
 
MJsBollywoodGirl7,
You were/are a true hardcore ‘obsessed’ fan. ;D
Unfortunately you didn’t married to Michael, but I hope you had opportunities of seeing him like Daryll. :blush:
I guess you’d be one of fans fainting at sight of Michael. :shock2:
But my maternal feelings would make me worry about a teenager core fan. :sigh:
If my daughter had been as you and Daryll had been, I’d have done anything to bring her back to reality, :rtfm: :nono: but if I was a teenager hardcore fan, I’d rather my mother would leave me alone. :rollingpeace:

MJsBollywoodGirl7;3728775 said:
I remember wanting to go to school early before the first bell rang. So I can spend some time on the internet in my school library. So I can look at some MJ sites before school actually starts. Even though the library internet was almost strictly to be use for studying only. And in a way I was using it for studying. I was studying Michael. What else was there to study at the time?

You were on Internet in HIStory era while I had to wait for Invincible era. My country is always in late for everything coming from US. I got my first computer in 1997, but not yet connected to Internet.
I’d like to know how some first MJ sites were at that time. Were there a lot? Were they interesting and informative? Were there already a lot of fans forums?? :hacker:
 
laeticia.fr;3729320 said:
MJsBollywoodGirl7,
You were/are a true hardcore ‘obsessed’ fan. ;D
Unfortunately you didn’t married to Michael, but I hope you had opportunities of seeing him like Daryll. :blush:
I guess you’d be one of fans fainting at sight of Michael. :shock2:
But my maternal feelings would make me worry about a teenager core fan. :sigh:
If my daughter had been as you and Daryll had been, I’d have done anything to bring her back to reality, :rtfm: :nono: but if I was a teenager hardcore fan, I’d rather my mother would leave me alone. :rollingpeace:



You were on Internet in HIStory era while I had to wait for Invincible era. My country is always in late for everything coming from US. I got my first computer in 1997, but not yet connected to Internet.
I’d like to know how some first MJ sites were at that time. Were there a lot? Were they interesting and informative? Were there already a lot of fans forums?? :hacker:


Well, Laeticia :ciao:
It's DUE to Michael I 'discovered' My talent and I'm the person I'm today...
STRONG, RESILIENT, KIND, HELPFUL, CREATIVE...

Well, my mum did try to play the 'reality' card when I was about 29, I guess... Just by setting up 'dates' for me so I would eventually fall in love with an idiot she got from an ad in the paper and I would then forget Michael...

It just had the 'opposite' affect, the MORE she pushed me into 'reality', the more I drove her crazy with Michael :tease: so, eventually... She just gave up as she saw that I didn't NEED a guy to be HAPPY :smilerolleyes:



I had 'internet' quite late... It was already 1999 and the ONLY site I knew was MJFC... I know I had the 'newsletters' but I wasn't active on the site or even the chat as I had a 'wonky' internet connection that made it 'impossible' to follow a convo...

I was MORE into MJ Fanclubs that had a Magazine out and did 'fan meetings'...
 
laeticia.fr;3729320 said:
MJsBollywoodGirl7,
You were/are a true hardcore ‘obsessed’ fan. ;D
Unfortunately you didn’t married to Michael, but I hope you had opportunities of seeing him like Daryll. :blush:
I guess you’d be one of fans fainting at sight of Michael. :shock2:
But my maternal feelings would make me worry about a teenager core fan. :sigh:
If my daughter had been as you and Daryll had been, I’d have done anything to bring her back to reality, :rtfm: :nono: but if I was a teenager hardcore fan, I’d rather my mother would leave me alone. :rollingpeace:

No unfortunately I never had that opportunity of seeing him person. And that was always been my most biggest dream ever. And I totally blame my f-ing country for that. For the way my country had treated him back then. I can't even begin to tell you just how much I hate my country for treating him like dirt back then. I can still very much remember a time where Michael was totally well loved by everyone in my country. Back in the mid 80s MJ mania was just so totally huge here. That was totally the most greatest time to be an MJ fan. Back when it was actually consider cool to be a fan of his. And no one didn't say anything bad about him. I so totally wish I could relive those wonderful days again.

I can tell you one thing the United States is definitely the worst country in the entire world to live in. If you are a Michael Jackson fan. Sorry I still tend to get extremely angry when I think how the American media was back then when it came to him. And I happen to have all of it on blank video tapes too. It is because of that reason alone I never had the opportunity of seeing him in person. Or go see one of his concerts. I still so totally envy the fans that had that opportunity. I sure wish that I did. It is such a shame that the Bad Tour was the last tour he ever did in my country. And I was just too young to go see him back then.


laeticia.fr;3729320 said:
MJsBollywoodGirl7You were on Internet in HIStory era while I had to wait for Invincible era. My country is always in late for everything coming from US. I got my first computer in 1997, but not yet connected to Internet.
I’d like to know how some first MJ sites were at that time. Were there a lot? Were they interesting and informative? Were there already a lot of fans forums?? :hacker:

Just like you I also had gotten a computer in the late 90s. But didn't really get the internet until a couple of years later.

There was a good pretty many MJ sites back then. Like the site MJIFC which I was a member of. Until that unfortunately closed. But there were forums I became a member of after MJIFC had closed. Like this site back when it was called the MJJForum. But my most favorite site to go in to. Was an AOL site all about Michael's gold pants. I can't even begin tell you just how many times I was in that site. That site was practically pornographic. At how Michael's female fans were at the time. At there sexual fantasies when it comes to Michael and those wonderful gold pants of his. I can tell you one thing. I totally blame those gold pants of his. For causing me not only to have countless of sex dreams. I had of Michael back when we still had him. Where he had impregnated me twice. But I also blame them for causing my porn addiction now. Michael so totally screwed up my young mind back then. First being 12 years old and seeing him in that outfit he had on for the In The Closet video. I can see why that video was shown during the 4 am hour. And then 4 years later with those gold pants. And I just so totally thank him for doing that to me. Because I just so totally L.O.V.E. being this way now. Especially when it comes to Michael and those gold pants of his.

Any way I was very surprise to even seen those MJ sites back then. Because back then I still have felt like I was the only fan Michael had left in the entire world. Thanks to what had happen to him in 1993. I was just so very happy to see all these MJ sites back then. And realized that I am not the only fan he has left in the world.
 
Daryll748;3729392 said:
Well, Laeticia :ciao:
It's DUE to Michael I 'discovered' My talent and I'm the person I'm today...
STRONG, RESILIENT, KIND, HELPFUL, CREATIVE...

I’m happy to hear your are a ‘perfect person’ ;D and this is thanks to Michael, thanks to your love for him and your loyalty to him. :kickass:

Well, my mum did try to play the 'reality' card when I was about 29, I guess... Just by setting up 'dates' for me so I would eventually fall in love with an idiot she got from an ad in the paper and I would then forget Michael...

It just had the 'opposite' affect, the MORE she pushed me into 'reality', the more I drove her crazy with Michael :tease: so, eventually... She just gave up as she saw that I didn't NEED a guy to be HAPPY :smilerolleyes:

It’s true. :yes: This is young people’s typical reaction if they are pushed directly onto a concrete goal. So parents should act more indirectly and smartly putting a lot of time with a lot of patience and hopes. I know that. -_-

In addition, in your case, the fact is that, contrary to what others was thinking, "your Michael world” was “your reality”, it was “your world”, it was “yourself”, then how could they have made you get out?? What could remain if they ever had managed to get you out? In my opinion, nothing, and you were no longer there, I mean, it was no longer you… :mello:


I had 'internet' quite late... It was already 1999 and the ONLY site I knew was MJFC... I know I had the 'newsletters' but I wasn't active on the site or even the chat as I had a 'wonky' internet connection that made it 'impossible' to follow a convo...

I was MORE into MJ Fanclubs that had a Magazine out and did 'fan meetings'...

When I finally got access to the Internet, I have not specifically looked for MJ sites. I didn’t know MJFC or MJJC or MJ official site. I discovered MJ official site only during the trial in 2005. :closedeyes:
I was pleased to watch Michael’s pictures on Google Images and later his videos on You Tube. :dancing: I haven’t tried to read tabloids on Internet to follow his latest news. :nono:
It was in Invincible era. As I wrote on Invincible & me thread, I had other concerns at that time, everything was going wrong in my life. :tonofbricks: :blowup:
 
MJsBollywoodGirl7;3729691 said:
No unfortunately I never had that opportunity of seeing him person. And that was always been my most biggest dream ever. And I totally blame my f-ing country for that. For the way my country had treated him back then. I can't even begin to tell you just how much I hate my country for treating him like dirt back then. I can still very much remember a time where Michael was totally well loved by everyone in my country. Back in the mid 80s MJ mania was just so totally huge here. That was totally the most greatest time to be an MJ fan. Back when it was actually consider cool to be a fan of his. And no one didn't say anything bad about him. I so totally wish I could relive those wonderful days again.

I can tell you one thing the United States is definitely the worst country in the entire world to live in. If you are a Michael Jackson fan. Sorry I still tend to get extremely angry when I think how the American media was back then when it came to him.

Everything you wrote is so true ... :blink: [SUB][/SUB] But to be honest, these are the things that I no longer dare write on a public forum, just because I'm not American. :bored: If I were American, I wouldn’t hesitate to criticize the US as you do, because one might think it is a kind of self-criticism. I entirely agree with you, you're absolutely right, but I say it in a small voice. When a fan from a country having anti-American sentiments in general like my country tells these things, it will be misunderstood and cause a sort of rage, which happened to me once, when I told these things but 10 times more gently than you and with humor. American fans reaction was more or less violent, :shutup: I should apologize for saying such things ... :sorry: :cry:

But my most favorite site to go in to. Was an AOL site all about Michael's gold pants. I can't even begin tell you just how many times I was in that site. That site was practically pornographic. At how Michael's female fans were at the time. At there sexual fantasies when it comes to Michael and those wonderful gold pants of his. I can tell you one thing. I totally blame those gold pants of his. For causing me not only to have countless of sex dreams. I had of Michael back when we still had him. Where he had impregnated me twice. But I also blame them for causing my porn addiction now. Michael so totally screwed up my young mind back then. First being 12 years old and seeing him in that outfit he had on for the In The Closet video. I can see why that video was shown during the 4 am hour. And then 4 years later with those gold pants. And I just so totally thank him for doing that to me. Because I just so totally L.O.V.E. being this way now. Especially when it comes to Michael and those gold pants of his.

Thanks for your very honest confession. ;D :wacko:
But when I think of Michael who should have been aware of the existence of such a fans site, the only thing I can say is "Poor Michael" ... :sad: Or was he satisfied? Because one could say that these are effects searched somehow… I don’t know… :sad:
 
laeticia.fr;3730253 said:
Everything you wrote is so true ... :blink: [SUB][/SUB] But to be honest, these are the things that I no longer dare write on a public forum, just because I'm not American. :bored: If I were American, I wouldn’t hesitate to criticize the US as you do, because one might think it is a kind of self-criticism. I entirely agree with you, you're absolutely right, but I say it in a small voice. When a fan from a country having anti-American sentiments in general like my country tells these things, it will be misunderstood and cause a sort of rage, which happened to me once, when I told these things but 10 times more gently than you and with humor. American fans reaction was more or less violent, :shutup: I should apologize for saying such things ... :sorry: :cry:



Thanks for your very honest confession. ;D :wacko:
But when I think of Michael who should have been aware of the existence of such a fans site, the only thing I can say is "Poor Michael" ... :sad: Or was he satisfied? Because one could say that these are effects searched somehow… I don’t know… :sad:

Your right and I am really sorry for saying those things. America really is a great country to live in. And I will admit that Mtv in my country back during the beginning of the HIStory Era did show Michael a lot of L.O.V.E. VH1 as well. By them showing a lot of MJ related programs. But other than that. I just so totally wish I was living in another country during the 90s. That way I would have gotten to see him in person. And to go see at least one of his concerts. I just wish my country had treated Michael the way he was treated back in the 80s. Where they treated him with L.O.V.E. and respect. Instead of like dirt and believe those horrible lies about him being a child molester. I can still remember that August day of 1993 being extremely upset. And being even more scared and upset that I was about to start 7th grade in couple of weeks. And knowing that I had to hide the fact that I am a MJ fan from those other kids. Out of total fear that I might not leave the school alive. You probably have no idea what it was like being the only MJ fan in a school full of haters. That was something I was forced to face with every single day back then. And to make it worst for me. I was the exact same age as his accuser. It is a shame that I wasn't brave enough back then. To stand up to those MJ haters. And it wasn't until I was in 11th grade. When I finally did stood up to them. And believe me I really let them have it too.
 
laeticia.fr;3730238 said:
I’m happy to hear your are a ‘perfect person’ ;D and this is thanks to Michael, thanks to your love for him and your loyalty to him. :kickass:

It’s true. :yes: This is young people’s typical reaction if they are pushed directly onto a concrete goal. So parents should act more indirectly and smartly putting a lot of time with a lot of patience and hopes. I know that. -_-

In addition, in your case, the fact is that, contrary to what others was thinking, "your Michael world” was “your reality”, it was “your world”, it was “yourself”, then how could they have made you get out?? What could remain if they ever had managed to get you out? In my opinion, nothing, and you were no longer there, I mean, it was no longer you… :mello:


When I finally got access to the Internet, I have not specifically looked for MJ sites. I didn’t know MJFC or MJJC or MJ official site. I discovered MJ official site only during the trial in 2005. :closedeyes:
I was pleased to watch Michael’s pictures on Google Images and later his videos on You Tube. :dancing: I haven’t tried to read tabloids on Internet to follow his latest news. :nono:
It was in Invincible era. As I wrote on Invincible & me thread, I had other concerns at that time, everything was going wrong in my life. :tonofbricks: :blowup:


Well, I'm definably NOT "perfect" otherwise I wouldn't be here so sometimes I get a little :evil: when peeps 'question' my 'Michael world' so I guess that is the reason WHY I'm quiet and :blush: around people...

Thanks for your reply on this 'delicate' subject that I have NEVER discussed before... Maybe, now it's the RIGHT time to do...

I must confess, I tried to get out of my 'Michael bubble' the last years as I was 'grieving' so hard... The first year I was in 'shock and denial' then I got stuck in the 'anger' and 'depression' stage ... :blush: I put my friends and mostly my parents through HELL... Cause as you say...

I'm NOT longer ME any more but some :pirate: always on the verge of 'exploding' ... I've been quite ill the last years too as all sorts of Medical problems popped up that the 'energy' of Michael keeps 'under wraps' :tease:

So, I did the 'sensible' thing and 'accepted' the loss as L.O.V.E does live F.O.R.E.V.E.R and I'm the HAPPY ME again :cheeky:

Hell, I even got an 'intern ship' in a book store so... YEAH... Thanks Michael...

So, I guess this is my HIStory here...

 
MJsBollywoodGirl7;3730292 said:
Your right and I am really sorry for saying those things. America really is a great country to live in. And I will admit that Mtv in my country back during the beginning of the HIStory Era did show Michael a lot of L.O.V.E. VH1 as well. By them showing a lot of MJ related programs. But other than that. I just so totally wish I was living in another country during the 90s. That way I would have gotten to see him in person. And to go see at least one of his concerts. I just wish my country had treated Michael the way he was treated back in the 80s. Where they treated him with L.O.V.E. and respect. Instead of like dirt and believe those horrible lies about him being a child molester. I can still remember that August day of 1993 being extremely upset. And being even more scared and upset that I was about to start 7th grade in couple of weeks. And knowing that I had to hide the fact that I am a MJ fan from those other kids. Out of total fear that I might not leave the school alive. You probably have no idea what it was like being the only MJ fan in a school full of haters. That was something I was forced to face with every single day back then. And to make it worst for me. I was the exact same age as his accuser. It is a shame that I wasn't brave enough back then. To stand up to those MJ haters. And it wasn't until I was in 11th grade. When I finally did stood up to them. And believe me I really let them have it too.

It seems to me that it is only now that I realized it was so hard and difficult for U.S. MJ fans to keep being MJ fans and believing in him, and this is thanks to your post, this is the truth. :blush:

If the U.S. fans have reacted angrily to my criticism about their tendency to believe too easily in their media, (‘too easily’ according to my feelings, I mean, feelings of a fan living in the country where people don’t trust US&UK media in general and they considered Michael as a biggest victim of the media), it might be because at that time I haven’t yet really understood the situation in the U.S., all these hateful atmosphere against Michael that you did describe and explain well. :unsure:

Thank you so much for your witness and let me say that I truly admire your courage and your loyalty to Michael. Now I understand very well it was not easy at all. :blink:
 
Daryll748;3730633 said:
Well, I'm definably NOT "perfect" otherwise I wouldn't be here so sometimes I get a little :evil: when peeps 'question' my 'Michael world' so I guess that is the reason WHY I'm quiet and :blush: around people...

Thanks for your reply on this 'delicate' subject that I have NEVER discussed before... Maybe, now it's the RIGHT time to do...

I must confess, I tried to get out of my 'Michael bubble' the last years as I was 'grieving' so hard... The first year I was in 'shock and denial' then I got stuck in the 'anger' and 'depression' stage ... :blush: I put my friends and mostly my parents through HELL... Cause as you say...

I'm NOT longer ME any more but some :pirate: always on the verge of 'exploding' ... I've been quite ill the last years too as all sorts of Medical problems popped up that the 'energy' of Michael keeps 'under wraps' :tease:

So, I did the 'sensible' thing and 'accepted' the loss as L.O.V.E does live F.O.R.E.V.E.R and I'm the HAPPY ME again :cheeky:

Hell, I even got an 'intern ship' in a book store so... YEAH... Thanks Michael...

So, I guess this is my HIStory here...


By writing my reply to your previous post, I was wondering how you were doing at the news of Michael’s passing, how you have lived these last three years ...

But I didn’t dare ask you questions. Because I didn’t want to hurt you, I didn’t want to send you back in your grief, even if your deep sorrows had been relieved a little bit over time, even if you had started to build your new life without Michael’s physical existence on the earth, I thought I shouldn’t send you back to the memories that should be still fresh and hard right now...

And I also thought that you would have already expressed your feelings, your thoughts, all your sorrows… on the forum, even if I don’t know because I am new on MJJC.

If someone like me who loved Michael but only to the extent of 'reasonable', that is to say, not in the style of a hardcore fan, I mean, Michael was not necessarily the center of my universe…, even to a fan like that like me, Michael’s death was almost equivalent to the end of my own life… :cry:

I was totally annihilated at the news of his death. I didn’t believe it at first. I thought it was a new manufacturing tabloid things.

The morning of June 26, 2009, I saw on the front page of my computer a title of an article : "Le Roi de la Pop est mort " in French. I couldn’t understand what that meant. I interpreted as 'Michael is stripped of his throne and now someone else took the title of King of Pop ??' Then I thought Michael would probably have pushed again his concerts dates or even completely have canceled them, and that made the wicked media say that he was no longer the King of Pop ... Those were my first thoughts on this topic.

After that, I clicked on the title and I began to read the article with increasing anxiety. I was shaking with fear. I was so scared I didn’t even understand a half of what I read. I couldn’t believe what I was reading. I tried to believe it was a mistake or a joke. And I was wondering : ‘But what is the purpose of such a farce?’

At that time my daughter came to see me. She was crying and she said : "Michael Jackson is dead. Have you ever known that?? '

At that moment, I felt that all my veins are frozen.

It took me at least two or three days, by reading all the articles edited since 25, so that I realized that it was not a joke but a fact ... :cry:

I don’t speak of all my sorrows in summer 2009. My grief was hardly decreased one year later, two years later. If there was something begging to change, it was only after sentencing of Murray ...

June 25, 2012, I was still in grief. But after summer 2012 I began to move towards a more or less perceptible change. I was on another forum. I talked a lot about this topic there.

At one point, I realized that my grief was still there, but something has been changed in its nature. It manifested no longer as before, no longer in a visible and apparent way. My grief has become something hidden behind a mask. It was still there, but it manifested no more like a volcano in action. Yeah, a volcano is a right word. My grief has become like a volcano at rest. That is to say, from the outside, one cannot know whether or not it is still alive.
Will it explode again someday? I don’t know, because my volcano is not a dead volcano, it is at rest for the moment. I cannot imagine how I would be in some months, especially on June 2013. I don’t want to think of… Anyway, at the moment, especially since I’ve moved to MJJC, I am calm and peaceful, at least in appearance. I can objectify my feelings somehow, this is what I couldn't do yet a month ago or two.
 
I was totally annihilated at the news of his death. I didn’t believe it at first. I thought it was a new manufacturing tabloid things.

The morning of June 26, 2009, I saw on the front page of my computer a title of an article : "Le Roi de la Pop est mort " in French. I couldn’t understand what that meant. I interpreted as 'Michael is stripped of his throne and now someone else took the title of King of Pop ??' Then I thought Michael would probably have pushed again his concerts dates or even completely have canceled them, and that made the wicked media say that he was no longer the King of Pop ... Those were my first thoughts on this topic.

After that, I clicked on the title and I began to read the article with increasing anxiety. I was shaking with fear. I was so scared I didn’t even understand a half of what I read. I couldn’t believe what I was reading. I tried to believe it was a mistake or a joke. And I was wondering : ‘But what is the purpose of such a farce?’

At that time my daughter came to see me. She was crying and she said : "Michael Jackson is dead. Have you ever known that?? '

At that moment, I felt that all my veins are frozen.

It took me at least two or three days, by reading all the articles edited since 25, so that I realized that it was not a joke but a fact ...
Thank you SO much for this post! I don't feels so alone now... as I have mentioned in other posts, realizing Michael's death is so new to me. I feel like what he whole world went through three years ago, I am only feeling for the first time now. It has been difficult these past few months but that is why I feel so isolated.

This summer... I have never said this to anybody, nobody knows this... but I cried every day. I pulled myself together long enough to get to and from work, but I would just break down again when I got home. Sometimes it is just so hard. And as I mentioned before, it is even worse that I could have appreciated and loved him while he was here, but I didn't. Generations of children will never have what I had, living while he was still with us,but I just didn't pay attention.

But my most favorite site to go in to. Was an AOL site all about Michael's gold pants. I can't even begin tell you just how many times I was in that site. That site was practically pornographic. At how Michael's female fans were at the time. At there sexual fantasies when it comes to Michael and those wonderful gold pants of his.

In this way, I still feel isolated because I could never think about Michael this way. I feel like maybe I am the only one who sees him like a dad. I know I never knew him, but I get through by telling myself (This is so hard for me to confess, I don't want anyone to think I'm pathetic!) that Michael loves me. He said something once that means more to me then any of his songs. He said "I want to tell the children of the world, you are all our children, each one of you is my child and I love you all." This is why I can now walk around every day and know I'm loved... but at the same time it's hard because this has come at the same time as feeling the loss as if it just happened a few months ago (when I discovered/ re-discovered).

I know, that quote was from Dangerous era, and I am going a bit off topic. Sorry! But maybe this is a generational difference? I am 27 now, again, not exactly a child but I was when he said that.
 
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Lark0016;3731409 said:
In this way, I still feel isolated because I could never think about Michael this way.

Don’t feel isolated, my dear Lark ;D
To me either, Michael has never been a sex object. I've never perceived that way. :no:
He is sexy, I don’t deny it, but at the same time, he is so pure and innocent as an angel of heaven. :angel:
(Sorry for writing in present tense. I don’t like telling in past tense about this kind of topic).
For me he wasn’t a being to be defiled by human desires of this world. (<= I’m not sure of my English :( )

P.S. I'm too tired today, probably due to the time change in Europe, I'll comment more tomorrow. :waving:
 
laeticia.fr;3731497 said:
Don&#8217;t feel isolated, my dear Lark ;D
To me either, Michael has never been a sex object. I've never perceived that way. :no:
He is sexy, I don&#8217;t deny it, but at the same time, he is so pure and innocent as an angel of heaven. :angel:
(Sorry for writing in present tense. I don&#8217;t like telling in past tense about this kind of topic).
Thank you!:better: I don't like to use the past tense either, besides, he's with us in our hearts. I love that moment in Siedah Garrett's song "You're spirit is still alive" I think it's true sometimes :)

For me he wasn&#8217;t a being to be defiled by human desires of this world. (<= I&#8217;m not sure of my English :( )
This is perfect! Except maybe "by the human desires of this world"
 
Lark0016;3731409 said:
In this way, I still feel isolated because I could never think about Michael this way. I feel like maybe I am the only one who sees him like a dad. I know I never knew him, but I get through by telling myself (This is so hard for me to confess, I don't want anyone to think I'm pathetic!) that Michael loves me. He said something once that means more to me then any of his songs. He said "I want to tell the children of the world, you are all our children, each one of you is my child and I love you all." This is why I can now walk around every day and know I'm loved... but at the same time it's hard because this has come at the same time as feeling the loss as if it just happened a few months ago (when I discovered/ re-discovered).

I know, that quote was from Dangerous era, and I am going a bit off topic. Sorry! But maybe this is a generational difference? I am 27 now, again, not exactly a child but I was when he said that.

I’ve not considered him as a father, because I am near his age.
But I’ve not considered as a brother either.
It is rather my daughter who considered him as a brother, despite the age difference, because Michael looked so much younger than his age in Bad era, especially in Captain EO on which my daughter had a crush.

I never imagined that he would be my lover or friend even in my dreams or my fantasies, I’ve ever not been out of the threshold of 'reasonable'. This is my usual realistically way on everything. -_-

He was too far from me horizontally, I mean, geographically, and stood much in over me vertically, in terms of all his human qualities and all his music talents; in short, he was a transcendent being for me. Michael Jackson was nothing other than “Michael Jackson”, that's all. He was not a being who would approach or descended to me even in my imagination. :huh:

It was only after his death he had become resident in my heart. His presence is permanent. I feel like I have the right to let Michael live in me. Because I think Michael is now able to live in a real way inside of millions people simultaneously. I think he is ubiquitous, and in this way he keeps to be alive. ^_^

My thoughts are not specifically based on a religious belief, not on the Jewish and Christian belief in the immortality of the soul or other religion’s theory of the migration of a soul after death. Beyond all religious or metaphysical thoughts and beliefs, Michael exists inside of all those who need him. (“Just call my name and I’ll be there”). Simply because he is “Michael Jackson”, 'Michael Jackson' is now provided with a existence transcending time and space. “Michael Jackson” is alive this way for ever. :closedeyes:

These are my personal thoughts and feelings but so important to me to live in this world without Michael’s physical existence. :blush:
 
I can remember I waited for History album for so long. I was a teenager by then and had a little job, so I had been saving money. As History was a double cd it was extra pricy. When the album finally came out I went to the record shop on my bycicle to go and get it. Went straight home and first listened to the intro MJ made for the Dutch fans for like 30 times hehe.
Then I listened to cd 2 over and over again. Picking my favorite songs and listening to the songs while reading the lyrics. I was always very much into knowing what he was singing about. Then I would follow every line of instruments through the songs. First the bass, then the guitar, then the keyboard, then other little things.
History tour should have been my first MJ concert. I was too young for the other tours. But unfortunatly I was out of the country with school when he performed in Amsterdam. Gosh I can remember it so well how dissapointed I was. I wanted to stay home, didn't want to go on a trip. It really didn't matter how cool the trip would be, I wanted to see MJ. But it didn't happen..... :(
 
laeticia.fr;3730700 said:
By writing my reply to your previous post, I was wondering how you were doing at the news of Michael&#8217;s passing, how you have lived these last three years ...

But I didn&#8217;t dare ask you questions. Because I didn&#8217;t want to hurt you, I didn&#8217;t want to send you back in your grief, even if your deep sorrows had been relieved a little bit over time, even if you had started to build your new life without Michael&#8217;s physical existence on the earth, I thought I shouldn&#8217;t send you back to the memories that should be still fresh and hard right now...

And I also thought that you would have already expressed your feelings, your thoughts, all your sorrows&#8230; on the forum, even if I don&#8217;t know because I am new on MJJC.

If someone like me who loved Michael but only to the extent of 'reasonable', that is to say, not in the style of a hardcore fan, I mean, Michael was not necessarily the center of my universe&#8230;, even to a fan like that like me, Michael&#8217;s death was almost equivalent to the end of my own life&#8230; :cry:

I was totally annihilated at the news of his death. I didn&#8217;t believe it at first. I thought it was a new manufacturing tabloid things.

The morning of June 26, 2009, I saw on the front page of my computer a title of an article : "Le Roi de la Pop est mort " in French. I couldn&#8217;t understand what that meant. I interpreted as 'Michael is stripped of his throne and now someone else took the title of King of Pop ??' Then I thought Michael would probably have pushed again his concerts dates or even completely have canceled them, and that made the wicked media say that he was no longer the King of Pop ... Those were my first thoughts on this topic.

After that, I clicked on the title and I began to read the article with increasing anxiety. I was shaking with fear. I was so scared I didn&#8217;t even understand a half of what I read. I couldn&#8217;t believe what I was reading. I tried to believe it was a mistake or a joke. And I was wondering : &#8216;But what is the purpose of such a farce?&#8217;

At that time my daughter came to see me. She was crying and she said : "Michael Jackson is dead. Have you ever known that?? '

At that moment, I felt that all my veins are frozen.

It took me at least two or three days, by reading all the articles edited since 25, so that I realized that it was not a joke but a fact ... :cry:

I don&#8217;t speak of all my sorrows in summer 2009. My grief was hardly decreased one year later, two years later. If there was something begging to change, it was only after sentencing of Murray ...

June 25, 2012, I was still in grief. But after summer 2012 I began to move towards a more or less perceptible change. I was on another forum. I talked a lot about this topic there.

At one point, I realized that my grief was still there, but something has been changed in its nature. It manifested no longer as before, no longer in a visible and apparent way. My grief has become something hidden behind a mask. It was still there, but it manifested no more like a volcano in action. Yeah, a volcano is a right word. My grief has become like a volcano at rest. That is to say, from the outside, one cannot know whether or not it is still alive.
Will it explode again someday? I don&#8217;t know, because my volcano is not a dead volcano, it is at rest for the moment. I cannot imagine how I would be in some months, especially on June 2013. I don&#8217;t want to think of&#8230; Anyway, at the moment, especially since I&#8217;ve moved to MJJC, I am calm and peaceful, at least in appearance. I can objectify my feelings somehow, this is what I couldn't do yet a month ago or two.

WOW :bow: I'm so GLAD you've joined MJJC... Honestly, I do :blush:

The BOLD text is 'right on the mark'
:agree:

Indeed, I have that 'volcano' inside of me too and one tear at it and I explode... Just like today... I can either 'snap' at everyone or just sit there :cry: my eyes out... It's frustrating to tell people that your 'grief' is covered with a 'sticker' that 'falls off' sometimes :unsure:

That was really KIND and CONSIDERATE of you to NOT 'bug' me with all these questions about how I feel about June 25 and the aftermath... :angel:

Oh, I did cry and rant for months I guess on the MJJC Chat about how I felt :blush:
I tend to look more POSITIVE now and as this is HOME for me... I'd like to keep it HAPPY here as I feel like I'm MISUNDERSTOOD in the world
:beee:

I can't believe what a HUGE impact it has left on me... I didn't even realize how STRONG connected I was to Michael before I lost him... I was just a Loyal fan... I had a full time job, I was in a dance group... We did LIVE shows... I loved to travel...

THEN... BAM... My whole world just 'collapsed'...

I can't watch TV and if I do it's tops One show I like about robots on Science and that's it...
I can watch my fave soap but it has to be on a PC screen...
I do have a NEW TV now but NOT connected to cable or Digital (my parents have Digital :smilerolleyes: )
I can't listen to the radio...
I hardly spend time in my living room...
I lived in my Michael room for about 2 years... I meant living, sleeping, breathing... This has 'gladly' changed as I created a BED room again and my Michael room has become my Office 'MJ style'... I even created a NEW living room...

WHY? I guess it's the trauma of watching all these 'newscasts' of June 25, you know... :cry:

So, I'll tell people I'm FINE and HAPPY but that is just like the 'chocolate' layer on a M&M :blush:
Inside I'm 'broken' into thousands pieces and ONLY Michael's energy and Meditation keep that 'chocolate' layer on... Or like you said Michael KEEPS the Volcano at rest
:blink:
 


I can't believe what a HUGE impact it has left on me... I didn't even realize how STRONG connected I was to Michael before I lost him... I was just a Loyal fan... I had a full time job, I was in a dance group... We did LIVE shows... I loved to travel...

So, I'll tell people I'm FINE and HAPPY but that is just like the 'chocolate' layer on a M&M :blush:
Inside I'm 'broken' into thousands pieces and ONLY Michael's energy and Meditation keep that 'chocolate' layer on... Or like you said Michael KEEPS the Volcano at rest
:blink:

You're pretty spot on yourself as well!! Reading this I immediately connected and thought that's exactly how I feel but then put into words. AS for you, I would have never thought the impact it would have on me. I was just a loyal fan, had been all my life, but I admit that times went by when I wasn't that active on forums or thinking about it, because there was hardly any news.

It was just like I had walked into a brick wall and went flat on my face. It made me realize so much more that I didn't just love his music. But I loved the way he looked at life, at people, at the world. I admired his kindness, generosity and forgivingness and not only wanted to be like that, but recognized myself in that. To be the person that most of this harsh world won't let you be, and that is to be a kind and caring person.
Maybe this is what we all relate too. The MJ fam sees who we can be and won't let the world decide on how we should be. It's what brings us all together and Michael was the reason.
 
You're pretty spot on yourself as well!! Reading this I immediately connected and thought that's exactly how I feel but then put into words. AS for you, I would have never thought the impact it would have on me. I was just a loyal fan, had been all my life, but I admit that times went by when I wasn't that active on forums or thinking about it, because there was hardly any news.

It was just like I had walked into a brick wall and went flat on my face. It made me realize so much more that I didn't just love his music. But I loved the way he looked at life, at people, at the world. I admired his kindness, generosity and forgivingness and not only wanted to be like that, but recognized myself in that. To be the person that most of this harsh world won't let you be, and that is to be a kind and caring person.
Maybe this is what we all relate too. The MJ fam sees who we can be and won't let the world decide on how we should be. It's what brings us all together and Michael was the reason.

Sunflowers :ciao:

See, the WORLD wants to 'rip me away' from this world but here I FIND people that truly 'understand' me and won't 'judge' me :blush:

The BOLD text here is WHY my 'volcano' erupted this morning at the 'job course' I was telling her about the 'friends' in the US that I was worrying about due to the hurricane Sandy and she claimed it wasn't 'important' DUH :blink:

Thanks Sunflowers :angel:
 
I think Michael is now able to live in a real way inside of millions people simultaneously. I think he is ubiquitous, and in this way he keeps to be alive.
Michael exists inside of all those who need him.

I understand completely, and I agree with the thoughts you shared. Especially the ones above.

It's frustrating to tell people that your 'grief' is covered with a 'sticker' that 'falls off' sometimes
So, I'll tell people I'm FINE and HAPPY but that is just like the 'chocolate' layer on a M&M
Inside I'm 'broken' into thousands pieces and ONLY Michael's energy and Meditation keep that 'chocolate' layer on... Or like you said Michael KEEPS the Volcano at rest

We are so alike! I love he way you said this, this is how I feel all the time. Only my sticker never falls off, no matter what, even Michael gives me the strength to keep it on until i am home by myself. Then the sticker comes off and all the broken candy and chocolate go falling all over the place. I spend the night cleaning it up and re-apply the sticker the next day. I Am so glad I found you all, to accept my broken-candy-ness. (I may have gone overboard with that metaphor!)

It was just like I had walked into a brick wall and went flat on my face. It made me realize so much more that I didn't just love his music. But I loved the way he looked at life, at people, at the world. I admired his kindness, generosity and forgivingness and not only wanted to be like that, but recognized myself in that. To be the person that most of this harsh world won't let you be, and that is to be a kind and caring person.
Maybe this is what we all relate too. The MJ fam sees who we can be and won't let the world decide on how we should be. It's what brings us all together and Michael was the reason.

Sunflowers...:eek: It is as if you've read my thoughts! I have really thought the same thing, in some of the same words, to myself. And it is true, I may love his singing and dancing, but it is who he is that I will always love unconditionally.

The part of me that sees him like a father is the part of me that wishes I knew how much he cared when I was younger. I think if I had known that he would have cared what I was feeling even though he didn't know me, it would have been a great source of comfort.
 
I understand completely, and I agree with the thoughts you shared. Especially the ones above.
We are so alike! I love he way you said this, this is how I feel all the time. Only my sticker never falls off, no matter what, even Michael gives me the strength to keep it on until i am home by myself. Then the sticker comes off and all the broken candy and chocolate go falling all over the place. I spend the night cleaning it up and re-apply the sticker the next day. I Am so glad I found you all, to accept my broken-candy-ness. (I may have gone overboard with that metaphor!)

NAH, Lark :ciao:
Welcome to the club of the 'broken candyness' :cheeky: I loved it when we can create NEW words that express how we feel...

I'm also really glad to have 'on board' dear :angel:

Well, The BOLD parts are what 'healed' me :blush:
As for me, it's the other way around... I'm FINE at HOME... here with MJ singing in my earphones or blasting through my speakers... Talking about Michael and stuff... Then again, my 'battery' runs out quite quickly when I'm out...
I think it's broken :tease: or leaking or something... No seriously, I love to use 'metaphors' like this but sadly some people don't understand them and then you have to bluntly say what you feel :pth:

I guess that's my NEXT mission to make sure that the 'sticker' stays on or I need to FIX my battery :cheeky:

Thanks for your words of Comfort, you all :better:
 
my 'battery' runs out quite quickly when I'm out...I think it's broken or leaking or something

I feel this way to in some ways, when I go to work,the moment I have a break I reach for my ipod. I spend my break listening to as much MJ as I can because it is so healing. It recharges my tired and drained batteries. I have different playlists... inspirational songs by Michael, mellow songs by Michael, dance songs by Michael, etc. But sometimes this backfires and something in the music will strike me HARD. Then I really have to recover quick because I can't let anybody see. Maybe my theatre training helps with this... I think it does.

Sometimes I get overwhelmed though. Because I am healing myself in other ways, but at the same time, trying to heal over Michael. As I wrote in other posts, all this came crashing down on me at once, and it is all so interconnected for me. Confusing! But Sunflowers said it so well. I know that my true self really is like Michael, and he is my role model. When it gets hard I think, how would Michael deal with it? With grace, without complaining, and by giving love any way he could. That is what I strive for in myself.
 
Sunflowers :ciao:

See, the WORLD wants to 'rip me away' from this world but here I FIND people that truly 'understand' me and won't 'judge' me :blush:

The BOLD text here is WHY my 'volcano' erupted this morning at the 'job course' I was telling her about the 'friends' in the US that I was worrying about due to the hurricane Sandy and she claimed it wasn't 'important' DUH :blink:

Thanks Sunflowers :angel:

You're very very welcome Daryll!!! I should say thank you too all of you, because this is about the only place I can say these things. Some people think I'm nuts and too kind. I've asked them once, how can you be too kind? There is no such thing. Yes I save my clothes and bring them to a little organisation so I know it really goes too poor countries. And yes I sow the buttons on a little better before I give them away. That's not being too kind or weird, it's being compasionated and caring.

And it's a good thing you care about the people in the US. I've been glued to the news hoping everyone who lives there is ok.

Sunflowers...:eek: It is as if you've read my thoughts! I have really thought the same thing, in some of the same words, to myself. And it is true, I may love his singing and dancing, but it is who he is that I will always love unconditionally.

The part of me that sees him like a father is the part of me that wishes I knew how much he cared when I was younger. I think if I had known that he would have cared what I was feeling even though he didn't know me, it would have been a great source of comfort.

Maybe that is what Michael felt from all the fans? I know people said it was weird for him to love his fans so much, and that he was probably bullshitting us. We know better ofcourse, he was real about it. And I've been thinking that he must have felt that connection with the fans. We love him for the person he was, like we love other fans and people (we try for most ;)) for who they are.

Sometimes I get overwhelmed though. Because I am healing myself in other ways, but at the same time, trying to heal over Michael. As I wrote in other posts, all this came crashing down on me at once, and it is all so interconnected for me. Confusing! But Sunflowers said it so well. I know that my true self really is like Michael, and he is my role model. When it gets hard I think, how would Michael deal with it? With grace, without complaining, and by giving love any way he could. That is what I strive for in myself.

It's such a good thing too hold on too when something is hard on you. And you're so right on thinking how would Michael deal with it. It will probably give you the best solution and keep you going.
 
I feel this way to in some ways, when I go to work,the moment I have a break I reach for my ipod. I spend my break listening to as much MJ as I can because it is so healing. It recharges my tired and drained batteries. I have different playlists... inspirational songs by Michael, mellow songs by Michael, dance songs by Michael, etc. But sometimes this backfires and something in the music will strike me HARD. Then I really have to recover quick because I can't let anybody see. Maybe my theatre training helps with this... I think it does.

Sometimes I get overwhelmed though. Because I am healing myself in other ways, but at the same time, trying to heal over Michael. As I wrote in other posts, all this came crashing down on me at once, and it is all so interconnected for me. Confusing! But Sunflowers said it so well. I know that my true self really is like Michael, and he is my role model. When it gets hard I think, how would Michael deal with it? With grace, without complaining, and by giving love any way he could. That is what I strive for in myself.

Thanks Lark :better:

I'm gonna try the BOLD part here for sure and then I'll tell you if it works or not...

Though, the 'recharging' with Michael music really helps...
It's like the lady at the 'Energy healing centre' told me... I have to make sure I'm "charged" when I go out :cheeky:

It's kind of funny that I have to 'charge' myself like you charge your cell phone's battery :tease:

The thing is if it HEALS then it's OKAY :agree:

Have a beautiful day
:wub:
 
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