I'd love to know what changed as seemingly after he passed the Estate were throwing songs out with ease. We got 5 odd on Bad 25, the 10 on Michael, yet now they don't want to use any? What's changed?
June 18th? So they were only Band Rehearsals, cause if i not mistake michael wasn't there in that day...
I'd love to know what changed as seemingly after he passed the Estate were throwing songs out with ease. We got 5 odd on Bad 25, the 10 on Michael, yet now they don't want to use any? What's changed?
Or I hope this is a ploy from the estate to stretch out the volume of Michael's unreleased works for decades to come. Or possibly even it's a negotiating tactic for future contracts as unreleased Michael is probably the most lucrative thing they own.
I think the Estate is doing this all wrong.
All the die-hard fans want the songs as they were left. That's mostly why the two posthumous albums didn't do as well as they could have. The general public like Michael's songs how he recorded them, so to mess with them, the albums won't be as big.
If I were on the Estate team, I would gather up all unreleased songs or demos, remaster them to the best of my ability, and release them in Archive sets. Archive 1, 2, 3, etc. People will buy them, and the fans will love to hear the songs as Michael left them. And the money will go to the Jackson kids and the Estate. Win-win all around.
The time for updating Michael's 80's songs is over. He's been gone for years. Now it's time to respect and appreciate his memory.
ll the die-hard fans want the songs as they were left. That's mostly why the two posthumous albums didn't do as well as they could have. The general public like Michael's songs how he recorded them, so to mess with them, the albums won't be as big.
I dont think the estate makes it sound like there is not alot ot music for some type of ploy.. I think more so they say that knowing that they would like to release new material for years to come..
Let's just say (hypothetically) there are 11 semi or fully finished songs.. yeah that's "alot" when people hear a track or pieces of.. but that's one short album with a couple more tracks for later or 1 full album..
That's not alot at all.. once we got that we would hate the next couple decades without real new material..
I guess if it were up to me, depending on How many tracks I'd see as releasable.. If there really were only 11-12.. (which may even be a high number).. id spread out song releases out for the next 2 decades.. release projects with only a couple new tracks every few years..
Release as singles and add them to anniversary/collector versions of albums that the songs did not make it onto.
I believe you've got it right there..
Like "One More Chance"on "Number Ones".
I dont think the estate makes it sound like there is not alot ot music for some type of ploy.. I think more so they say that knowing that they would like to release new material for years to come..
Let's just say (hypothetically) there are 11 semi or fully finished songs.. yeah that's "alot" when people hear a track or pieces of.. but that's one short album with a couple more tracks for later or 1 full album..
That's not alot at all.. once we got that we would hate the next couple decades without real new material..
I guess if it were up to me, depending on How many tracks I'd see as releasable.. If there really were only 11-12.. (which may even be a high number).. id spread out song releases out for the next 2 decades.. release projects with only a couple new tracks every few years..
Release as singles and add them to anniversary/collector versions of albums that the songs did not make it onto.
Both Michael and Xscape outperformed every posthumous compilation I can name off the top of my head. The latter exceeded expectations by miles and is often ranked among Sony's best commercial success stories from 2014. This is incredibly impressive given that posthumous albums aren't big sellers.
If the general public cared about preserving songs in their original and unedited format, "Love Never Felt So Good" wouldn't have reached the Top 10 on twenty-six different charts across twenty-one countries. Members of the dedicated fan base are the only ones who are truly desperate to receive Michael's music as found; everyone else is only interested in what the finished product sounds like and, depending on the quality, might not even know the songs were updated. I have several friends who are casual fans that had no idea "Love Never Felt So Good" was redone in 2014; they all thought it was recorded in the early 2000s with Timberlake.
There will never be a day when posthumous releases outshadow Michael's existing catalog. The public will always gravitate toward the music Michael finished in his lifetime. As SmoothGangsta said, the Estate could never touch the vault again and they'd still make money. Short term success is incredibly probable if done right, but long term success is unlikely.
I think...this. Yes.
And Love Never Felt So Good sounded like a Michael Jackson song. Some of the other updated songs on Xscape didn't.
I think, if Michael's vision is to be adequate, they need to bring in all producers who worked on the original songs to update them. Kanye West may be a good producer, but he wasn't there in the 80's. If I want to hear a Michael Jackson song, I want it to sound like Michael Jackson...and some of the remixed songs don't (just his vocals.) Not saying they aren't good albums, but the Estate needs to try harder, if they are going to release them in that format.
And Love Never Felt So Good sounded like a Michael Jackson song. Some of the other updated songs on Xscape didn't.
Plenty of Michael's old producers and collaborators have been involved with the first two albums, and the material didn't turn out any better because of it: Akon's new cut of "Hold My Hand" is often criticized for lacking the power (and lessening Michael's presence) in comparison to the demo; Teddy Riley is often torn to shreds for what he did on "Hollywood Tonight," particularly the vocal processing and spoken word bridge; Neff-U gets solid reviews for "The Way You Love Me," though general consensus seems to be that it isn't as sharp as the demo; Lenny Kravitz's "Another Day" is nothing short of disappointing for most; John McClain's "Behind the Mask" gets a tepid response; Rodney Jerkins' "Xscape," while attracting above-average reviews, is usually considered to be a step down from the original song; and Cory Rooney gets a mixed reception for his cut mix of "She Was Lovin' Me". Keep in mind that Akon, Neff-U, Kravitz, Jerkins, and Rooney were all involved first hand with their respective songs at one point or another during Michael's lifetime.
Song selection has also been largely unaffected: John Branca and Frank Dileo have known Michael since 1979 and 1983 respectively, and they were the lead cheerleaders for the Cascio tracks; Matt Forger and Al Quaglieri led the force behind Disc 2 of Bad 25, often called out for short changing the fan base with only six unheard songs; and L.A. Reid chose only eight songs for Xscape, six of which had been available online for years (and four of which, conveniently, were up for consideration for Michael four years earlier).
At the end of the day, it's not about WHO the producer is, it's about WHAT they're capable of doing to/with a song. Having Michael's former collaborators steer the ship is clearly the honorable thing to do, and I would love to see the A-Team/B-Team get back together for a project, but history has demonstrated that it is no guarantee as to quality.
"Love Never Felt So Good" didn't peak as high as it did because it sounded like a Michael Jackson song though; it peaked as high as it did because (a) it was a good reproduction and (b) Justin Timberlake's involvement bolstered interest, which is why the duet version comprised of around 80% of sales. The GP only cares about the end product, not the ins and outs of the production process.
Whilst I generally agree with what you say I wouldn't say Behind the Mask or Hold My Hand got bad responses at all. Hold My Hand also features more MJ vocals than the demo so I don't really understand why you're saying it lessened his presence. I personally don't really care what the general public think I'm more thinking about how to respectfully present MJ's art. In an ideal world the original people would work on the tracks, using MJ's notes and any ideas he had to complete the songs in a respectful manner, along with the original unfinished tracks well mastered and presented. I know we won't get that at all though and we'll get more remixes that will be dated in a few years. I have also never seen anyone complain about the amount of songs on Bad 25, legitimately a complaint I have never seen.
All the die-hard fans want the songs as they were left.
I don't think the estate makes it sound like there is not a lot of music for some type of ploy.. I think more so they say that, knowing that they would like to release new material for years to come..
Let's just say (hypothetically) there are 11 semi or fully finished songs.. yeah that's "alot" when people hear a track or pieces of.. but that's one short album with a couple more tracks for later or 1 full album..
That's not alot at all.. once we got that we would hate the next couple decades without real new material..
I guess if it were up to me, depending on How many tracks I'd see as releasable.. If there really were only 11-12.. (which may even be a high number).. id spread out song releases out for the next 2 decades.. release projects with only a couple new tracks every few years..
Release as singles and add them to anniversary/collector versions of albums that the songs did not make it onto.
Sorry, if this has been asked before: does anybody know anything about Michael's version of Joy (the song that was then given to Blackstreet)? What about a solo version of Satisfy You?
IMWhizzle;4224711 said:Guys, I know a lot of you don’t like Tommy Motorola, but in this case the following video is relevant:
https://youtu.be/za6z5eCsTno
I would love the Estate to release a demo on Mike's 60th birthday.
Something like a demo of a released song, like the work tape we got with Beat It on This Is It disc 2.
Imagine having something similar with Liberian Girl, Smooth Criminal, Who Is It or Stranger In Moscow. That would be a dream come true
He doesn't really say much here tbh.