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I Am a Fan, But... (What Makes You Heretic Among Other Fans?)

I think lip syncing is not only fine, sometimes it's better.

For some reason, I always find it convincing to see MJ do it. It's most of all about how you perform. And lip syncing takes talent too, tbh.

And I've said before, live performances didn't capture MJs voice like Bruce Swedien's unparalleled engineering does. It's a once in a lifetime quality tbh.
 
Hiker said:
I completely agree, especially during concerts. I would rather he lip syncs and gives best dance performance than compromise on dancing.
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Well, even when he isn't dancing, I prefer he sings ballads obviously. But a song like Stranger In Moscow is so etheral no matter what. Gone Too Soon is enchanting because it's live and when he sings live it's better, sometimes..

I think my other issue with some of the songs is that they weren't in the original key or tempo. Billie Jean is way better slower to me. Beat it sounds better in it's closer tone, though Victory Tour rendition is King. But the lower pitch versions do go hard, as well, so, y'know, it goes both ways.
 
wendijane said:
I like it when really old threads are bumped. It might give some um.. intense feelings at first, but really, it is a positive thing because it means those members opinions aren't forgotten.
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That's a great answer, even if it's not particularly MJ related lol.
 
I see nothing wrong with casual fans. There's a difference between, casual fans, and fairweather fans. Those are way different and way worse.
 
FullLipsDotNose said:
1. I love Girlfriend. It's the best song on OTW.
2. Smooth Criminal is the weakest track on Bad.
3. I was Janet's fan two years earlier than Michael's.
4. Invincible > OTW
5. Michael looked much better with short hair.
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Good topic.
I have often thought of his sponsorship of Pepsi, and what health problems it gave millions of his followers around the world, particularly the very children he claims he cares for. The diabetes and obesity epidemics we have today, for instance.

I have often thought of whether he would be my friend if I worked with him in real life. I think the answer would be no. For example, the credit he took for songs that weren't "written and composed by Michael Jackson". Stranger In Moscow was just the tip of the iceberg. I don't know which man can actually claim this with a straight face if he weren't just in it for the money and fame, above all else. I don't know why his collaborators stood for it, either.

He supported the criminal Clinton (cocaine kingpin). I don't need you to look up the Clinton Foundation for further reading, nor the Clintons' murderous history. This is the same with all presidents, by the way. They are all crooks. I cannot stand Mike's appearances with Bush. I cannot stand any celebrity endorsing any politician, in fact. They all work against the people.

As far as I can remember, Michael also invested in casinos and god knows what else.

I cannot listen to They Don't Care About Us after learning what Roosevelt was really about, including the confiscation of gold from the masses and his various other activities.

I can go on about various fraudulent charities and the fact that their very existence depends on the 'problem' never finding a solution ( in order to keep raking in the big bucks to management ), but I think the bottom-line is Michael was human and perhaps had the best intentions, but in actual practice...I dunno.
 
I don't agree with anything that xam said above, except somewhat on the Pepsi thing. No Michael is not responsible for parenting all the kids, but he did promote Pepsi. It does have an impact on young minds, especially teenagers. But then which celebrity does not promote harmful things! Also don't know how much of the harmfulness of coke/Pepsi was known at that time. So it can be argued either way.
 
I drink coke, I’ve been brought up on coke, the drink not the powder or is it a liquid? I don’t know these things because I had a good upbringing, with coke the drink not the powder or is it a liquid?
 
filmandmusic said:
I drink coke, I’ve been brought up on coke, the drink not the powder or is it a liquid? I don’t know these things because I had a good upbringing, with coke the drink not the powder or is it a liquid?
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"I'd like to teach the world to sing"

Big Coca Cola ad campaign in the 70's.
 
filmandmusic said:
I drink coke, I’ve been brought up on coke, the drink not the powder or is it a liquid? I don’t know these things because I had a good upbringing, with coke the drink not the powder or is it a liquid?
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Based on this post, I think its the powder not the drink 😂😂
In all fairness, the whole controversy about coke/pepsi is relatively recent, so I don't judge anyone who grew up on coke (the drink, not the powder!)
 
Hiker said:
Based on this post, I think its the powder not the drink 😂😂
In all fairness, the whole controversy about coke/pepsi is relatively recent, so I don't judge anyone who grew up on coke (the drink, not the powder!)
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My mother told me when I was born doctors smoked cigarettes on home visits and hospitals allowed smoking in rooms, different era, different measure. The world has changed a lot.
 
I love the man..... But the guy was heavily manipulative, far from the self-created image of this Peter Pan high-pitched-voiced innocent fragile man. His business dealings, not properly crediting co-composers and approach to media manipulation via planted stories (the hyperbaric chamber) are really disturbing sometimes.
 
eckoes said:
I love the man..... But the guy was heavily manipulative, far from the self-created image of this Peter Pan high-pitched-voiced innocent fragile man. His business dealings, not properly crediting co-composers and approach to media manipulation via planted stories (the hyperbaric chamber) are really disturbing sometimes.
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Stop making up crap.
 
eckoes said:
I love the man..... But the guy was heavily manipulative, far from the self-created image of this Peter Pan high-pitched-voiced innocent fragile man. His business dealings, not properly crediting co-composers and approach to media manipulation via planted stories (the hyperbaric chamber) are really disturbing sometimes.
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What is all this information based on? All celebrities want to maintain their media image in a certain way, what makes you think Michael was 'heavily manipulative'?
 
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Hiker said:
What is all this information based on? All celebrities want to maintain their media image in a certain way, what makes you think Michael was 'heavily manipulative'?
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We know now that Brad Buxer composed a big chunk of Stranger in Moscow, Greg Phillinganes wrote the bridge in Don't Stop Til You Get Enough, and other moment when people who should have been given at least co-writting credits (and were promised so by the man) were not given their due. Sure, their contributions can be ranked as "arrangements", but in the case of Stranger in Moscow for example, it's more than that.

I will precise what I mean: it's known nowadays that MJ himself asked, in the mid 80s, for stories to be planted in the press to keep said press to keep talking about him all the time. The Hyperbaric chamber, the Elephant man bones, etc. He thought it was funny. And then, complains about media attention in Leave Me Alone, even refering in the music video to stories he collaborated on planting with the help of his manager. I mean, he can't have it both ways, can he?

That's really about it. It's about using medias for his own gain and then complaining about it. It's a bit hypocritical. But really, that's about it.

I love the man ❤️
 
FullLipsDotNose said:
1. I love Girlfriend. It's the best song on OTW.
2. Smooth Criminal is the weakest track on Bad.
3. I was Janet's fan two years earlier than Michael's.
4. Invincible > OTW
5. Michael looked much better with short hair.
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Tbh i am a big fan of smooth criminal, the lyrics can be viewed as repetitive and whatnot but i really like it, every time it play i go out dancing and singing and those dance moves that MJ (which ill never perfect lol) were so mesmerizing.
 
Michael_tnt.gr said:
Tbh i am a big fan of smooth criminal, the lyrics can be viewed as repetitive and whatnot but i really like it, every time it play i go out dancing and singing and those dance moves that MJ (which ill never perfect lol) were so mesmerizing.
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How is this heretic? lol everyone loves smooth criminal
 
eckoes said:
We know now that Brad Buxer composed a big chunk of Stranger in Moscow, Greg Phillinganes wrote the bridge in Don't Stop Til You Get Enough, and other moment when people who should have been given at least co-writting credits (and were promised so by the man) were not given their due. Sure, their contributions can be ranked as "arrangements", but in the case of Stranger in Moscow for example, it's more than that.

I will precise what I mean: it's known nowadays that MJ himself asked, in the mid 80s, for stories to be planted in the press to keep said press to keep talking about him all the time. The Hyperbaric chamber, the Elephant man bones, etc. He thought it was funny. And then, complains about media attention in Leave Me Alone, even refering in the music video to stories he collaborated on planting with the help of his manager. I mean, he can't have it both ways, can he?

That's really about it. It's about using medias for his own gain and then complaining about it. It's a bit hypocritical. But really, that's about it.

I love the man ❤️
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That's not true and is just hyperbolic.

Brad never claimed he wrote the music and MJ just wrote lyrics to it. He said this is the song where he had his biggest contribution creatively, but he never claimed he wrote the music all alone. He said it was a collaboration with MJ in that Moscow hotel room where they TOGETHER wrote the song basically in 1.5-2 hours. It's just simply the case that MJ didn't compose it entirely alone.


But there's way more egregious examples of singers just taking someone else's song lol. Try Prince for that.

Meanwhile, you're upset that instead of the media writing whatever they wanted about MJ, MJ decided to bloody the waters to keep them out of his business? Because what makes you think there's any stopping tabloid rags. There's not. The press don't care about "keeping you in the publics attention". They're just an exploitative industry.
 
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