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If there was evidence that Michael ever harmed a child,would you still be a fan?

There is no way to determine if someone lies judging by the signs (or cues) of his/her body language.

So-called body language experts may theorize a lot about that, but in reality body language might only give indications that someone lies, not definite proof.

Also, many artists in the entertainment business can actually learn (with the help of their publicists) how to manipulate their body language so effectively that when they have to lie about certain things publicly then their body language does not exhibit at all signs that they lie.

This, of course, also happens in other fields, such as in politics where many politicians learn how to manipulate their body language so as to avoid giving body language signs when they lie (in interviews, speeches, etc).

There is also another thing: certain body language signs that indicate that someone lies can be very misleading.

For example, one of the most common signs of lying is the nose touch, but many people touch their noses when they actually tell the truth.
 
nextbigthing56;4295804 said:
No. I wouldn’t be able to be a fan of someone who did that.

Good thing there isn’t any though as he is 100% innocent.
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This is my line of thought too.
 
If he had molested children and there was definitive proof he did it, I would be a fan of his music and his wonderful self but I would be deeply sad and uncomfortable but I would always love him.

But that is not the situation right now, there is no evidence is abused children only these false allegations and two perjurers.
 
I would still a be a fan of him as an artist (how could you not be?) but obviously not as a person. I also don’t think I would enjoy his artistry knowing what he did.

Thankfully though I am 100% sure no proof would ever come out as I wholeheartedly believe he is innocent.
 
It will depend on what the evidence is? need to also hear both sides of the story if I will be a fan?
 
I KNOW that Michael is 1000% INNOCENT. I wouldn’t be a fan if I had ANY doubt- Any intelligent and rational person knows he’s innocent because of the FACTS and . Evidence. You don’t have to be a genius to use deductive reasoning and know these allegations are @#$&. How smart does a person have to be to know that these accusations have no merit? How smart does a person have to be to know you can’t be “@bused” hundreds of times if you were only with your so-called “@buser” 4 tines, according to your own mama? How smart do you have to be to know that Wade is a liar when his own Mama said he was never left alone with Michael? How smart do you have to be to know that Wade is a lying psychopath when he claims Michael told him and others to hate girls, and he is actively dating Michael’s niece,while cheating on her with Britney Spears and Prince’s ex-wife, Mayte. How smart do you have to be to know James is a lying punk who claims he was “@bused” in a building that didn’t exist when he was around Michael? These are just a FEW of the lies that can be pointed out. I have dozens more that I can name.if you are a fan and haven’t done your research, then you don’t have a right to doubt Michael. If you are easily manipulated enough to believe that LN NAMBLA porn movie, then you don’t belong in a MJ fandom. It’s really that simple and I will gladly debate or discuss anyone on anything that I posted.
 
#MJforever57 said:
It will depend on what the evidence is? need to also hear both sides of the story if I will be a fan?
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What SIDES are you speaking of? The fake accusers have no sides. They are lying for MONEY, nothing else. A fake accusation has no SIDE.
 
MykelTheSuperfan said:
If he had molested children and there was definitive proof he did it, I would be a fan of his music and his wonderful self but I would be deeply sad and uncomfortable but I would always love him.

But that is not the situation right now, there is no evidence is abused children only these false allegations and two perjurers.
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I would NEVER be a fan of ANYONE if I thought they molested children. That’s disgusting. I am a fan of Michael Jackson because he is 1000% INNOCENT. There is no evidence to prove otherwise. I have seen NOTHING that shows these fake accusers/extortionists are telling the truth. EVERY piece of evidence that I read points to INNOCENCE. Can someone tell me one thing these liars have said that proves they are telling truth? Speculations, innuendo, rumors, media manipulation, FEELINGS is NOT proof. That is the very reason a JURY found Michael NOT GUILTY 14 times. They went by FACTS, not tabloid crap and lies from fake accusers.
 
Just found this thread, and... Hmm. Interesting question.

Obviously, I believe (at least nowadays) that Michael was absolutely, sincerely, 100% innocent. It's actually directly related to how I became a fan in the first place. So, would I have been as hardcore about him as I am now? Most likely not; I don't "stan" (to use a "hip" term) awful individuals. But would I stop liking his music entirely? I don't think I'd go that far either; I just simply wouldn't have considered myself a fan in that case.

The most important thing to remember is that Michael is dead, and even if he did anything during his life (he absolutely did not, but hypothetically speaking), he wouldn't be able to do that anymore now. Many historical individuals who were praised for their talents were unsavory people and/or outright criminals, but we can still agree they were talented individuals. And again Michael absolutely does not belong in that category, but there's a chance he might've if he was indeed found guilty. But that's just my opinion, I'm fine with others disagreeing. I just think that even with cancel culture being so prevalent nowadays, when a person is dead and time passes (how much exactly is hard to say), from experience most people seem to be able to relativize (within a historical context, I mean) that sort of thing, especially when the people the person has directly affected are long dead themselves. Obviously, this isn't the same as defending that person's actions, or at least it isn't to me (I certainly would never defend such a person).

This does not mean, mind you, that I think other people should feel the same way. If you feel uncomfortable enjoying someone's work because they did something terrible that affects you personally, whether directly or indirectly, that absolutely is your right and I sympathize (I actually have my own share of individuals I feel that way about). Nobody owes anyone anything and I don't want anyone to destroy their own mental health just because they should "get over it" because it's not that simple. Now, again, none of this applies to Michael himself because he was innocent, and I absolutely want other people to start seeing him as innocent, but you get my point (I hope).

At the end of the day though, absolutely no evidence whatsoever was found during the raid of Michael's home, so the point is moot. But I still wanted to share my point of view since it directly relates to how I used to view Michael (I never 100% believed he was guilty, but I was still very cautious until I actually looked into the whole thing in recent years).
 
Sorry but 3 times met in person. 9 times saw him in Concert and followed and grieved, still grieving! But if there was irrefutable proof and evidence that Michael done anything bad to children as a father and someone that has fostered children and adores them young or older I would drop him in every way music, thoughts, feelings in everyway as he lied to me personally or I would feel like that and then to all his fans that have rallied and fought since the first allegations.
I would be more heartbroken than ever but that is the facts.
 
xscape guy 2003 said:
Sorry but 3 times met in person. 9 times saw him in Concert and followed and grieved, still grieving! But if there was irrefutable proof and evidence that Michael done anything bad to children as a father and someone that has fostered children and adores them young or older I would drop him in every way music, thoughts, feelings in everyway as he lied to me personally or I would feel like that and then to all his fans that have rallied and fought since the first allegations.
I would be more heartbroken than ever but that is the facts.
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I would feel the exact same way
 
I don’t think it can be proven that he did anything. If these losers win it’s because of sympathy. Of course if the were facts and evidence that supports he was a monster, I would be done with him.
 
Not sure if i have answered this thread. I'd try and understand. of course you'd be hurt /confused/ shocked however he was just a magazine poster and you were never to know. I'd still love him , because he taught me that unconditional love but then , that would all be fked up 😵‍💫 but ...no, my boy from Indiana didn't do that stuff. My boy from Indiana is clean & he's very honest. very honest. i didn't pick loser /perverted freaks to see me through life. That is a personal insult even for me , to even answer this thread.
Get out of here.
 
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:mad: *trying to answer without getting emotional* - Yes. i would want to know why and but id be broken i'd probably die.
 
Michael actually harmed one child! He broke my heart in 2009, when he died! So yes. Michael made me really hurt! And that pain will never go away! 💔🥺😭
 
Agonum said:
How about Conrad Murray? (Among others…)
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It's not fully Conrad's fault, that Michael died, but also Michael's... He knew the risks. He knew he can die, using these dangerous medicines. But still, he continued to do it...
 
Richard76 said:
It's not fully Conrad's fault, that Michael died, but also Michael's... He knew the risks. He knew he can die, using these dangerous medicines. But still, he continued to do it...
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How do you know?
 
Richard76 said:
It's not fully Conrad's fault, that Michael died, but also Michael's... He knew the risks. He knew he can die, using these dangerous medicines. But still, he continued to do it...
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thats true but murray couldve said hell no but he didnt
 
Richard76 said:
It's not fully Conrad's fault, that Michael died, but also Michael's... He knew the risks. He knew he can die, using these dangerous medicines. But still, he continued to do it...
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Yes MJ had problems with addiction - but Murray (and the rest of the corrupt so called doctors) was his doctor NOT his dealer. I detest this person so much. If not for people like this (+the pharmaceutical industry!) there wouldn't be a opioid crises in the US.
 
librariangirl:) said:
Yes MJ had problems with addiction - but Murray (and the rest of the corrupt so called doctors) was his doctor NOT his dealer. I detest this person so much. If not for people like this (+the pharmaceutical industry!) there wouldn't be a opioid crises in the US.
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There some doctors and pharmacists that dont give a f***ck and prescribe certain medications they think can help their patients but certain meds have different side effects and can really mess up a person (belive me i know im going through it!)
 
I don't just detest the doctors etc but AEG! they where the worst un compassionate people around when Michael died. I also think that hearing his report from coroner qe as fans did not know how much pain Michael was in. I read (this was official) that Michael's feet where literally bandaged up all the time because of excrutionating pain! I wish he just done a few appearances and sang. Made albums. Maybe he would be alive now then!
 
xscape guy 2003 said:
I don't just detest the doctors etc but AEG! they where the worst un compassionate people around when Michael died. I also think that hearing his report from coroner qe as fans did not know how much pain Michael was in. I read (this was official) that Michael's feet where literally bandaged up all the time because of excrutionating pain! I wish he just done a few appearances and sang. Made albums. Maybe he would be alive now then!
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I dont think even if he done a few albums he would still be here the trial hurt him so much he wasnt the same after that
 
How do y'all cope with the constant accusations? Any time I watch some positive thing about Michael, there's always at least one person leaving a comment about how convinced they are that he did these awful things. And it's so painful.

When I was a child, I defended him without question or hesitation. I fully believed with all my heart that there's no way he could have done what he was accused of.

As an adult, though, I feel as though I have come to understand that you never really know a person, and that anyone is capable of anything. I want to believe that he is innocent of all that he's been accused of. I also don't want to be harmful to people who have experienced CSA and not been believed by vehemently denying that such a public figure could be capable of such a thing just because of how much I love and trust him.

It is a core value of mine to not be harmful. Michael and the beauty he has brought to the world are fundamental to my identity, as they played a huge part in my development as a child.

How does a person reconcile those two things? How do y'all cope? I'm asking because it kind of tears me up inside. I ask on this thread because its title is the exact question I ask myself every time I see someone comment condemning him.

I just have some cognitive dissonance about this and I'm hoping to see how others are handling it.
 
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