Jackson ordered to pay law firm $175K

@rsw22
Okay, we get it... everyone is evil, all good and trustworthy people turn evil and the whole world is out get poor, little Michael Jackson! Listen to yourself! Sure, there might be some crooks, nobody is denying that, but to believe that everyone is a criminal, trying to defraud Michael, you have to live in your own Neverland!

And as for judges throwing out most of Michael's claims... well, maybe there is a reason! You can't just say everybody is a fraud and there is conspiracy without any plausible proof whatsoever![/b]

When you are famous, you are a target. You'll hear many famous people say this. You'll hear a lot of musicians sing about this. When you meet people, you don't know their intentions. All they show you are wide smiles.

The majority of people you meet as a famous person are motivated by fame or money. They want a piece of you. It's when they depart that you see their true colors. The more famous you are, the more vulnerable you become to this kind of stuff. The human heart is inherently evil. We all strive to do good. But ultimately the love of money is the root of all evil. When you have a celeb like MJ who at one point someone commented as being a money-making machine, then that is recipe for trouble. Some of these people will tell you that many people who get to MJ are not true friends, they have ulterior motives for personal gain and they see MJ as a gateway to an easy life. When they get cut off, bitterness overwhelms some of them and there is that desire to inflict hurt in revenge for being cut off. Now, unless you have been in that position or can appreciate that position where you cannot tell where someone is a true friend or they "love" you just because of fame or money, then you cannot know what MJ has to deal with.

I am not saying some of the lawsuits are not legitimate or may not have a part of legitimacy. Take a look at Schaffer’s case, he did a documentary, was owed Royalties and Jackson's team offered to pay him up around $425,000 when his fee was calculated. He refused and added on other bogus claims, asking for $16.7million. But take a look how it all started. The whole Schaffel coming back was because of Bashir trying to mess up and ruin Michael. During a very bad crisis and chaos, Schaffel sneaks back into the circle and awards himself high Royalties for little work, if you recall how Hamid Moslehi complained that Schaffel in any case did very little on that documentary and he did most of the work. Now later, Schaffel is fired again. He decides to sue Michael in 2004 during a very bad time. On top of that, he adds in slanderous claims that Tacopina rebukes him for, as it would lend credence to Arvizo's false claims. Why was Schaffel doing this? to pressure MJ to settle with him. He even asked for a writ on Neverland and the judge declined.

This is a guy who came in via a crisis, awarded himself high royalties, was offered to be paid and refused the pay. Filed for $16.7 million and ended up with $900,000 million after trying to inflame the jury with child abuse innuendo and telling lies on the stand. Michael got $200,000 and that is before stage 2.

You could go through each of this cases and what it all comes down to is, either bogus cases, or low fee cases being inflated, escorted with slandering Michael in public and all following on from successive people trying to harm Michael.

If it hadn't been Bashir, would Schaffel be suing Michael after he was fired? Would Ayscough have worked for Michael, would Prescient have happened? and a lot more?
Yes, lawyers were hired to do work, but what preceded that? What was the cause? That's something you tend to overlook in your criticism of Michael. And if it hadn't been for Chandlers, would Bashir come to do to Michael what he did?
It's a chain of events, and a chain that some of those employed or meeting Michael have tried to take advantage of.

The lawyers are entitled to be paid - but as long as they have done what they were paid to do and as long as they did not engage in threats towards their clients.
Associates are entitled to be paid - but as long as they do not make monetary claims that they are not entitled to
Employees are entitled to be paid - but as long as reputable accountants do not engage in diverting money meant for employees and lawyers and putting it in their accounts

If any of the above have not been paid, they are entitled to sue in court and to be heard by a judge and jury. - but not to use the lawsuits as a chance to try and hurt Michael by leaking private details, slandering him in public and feeding into tabloid innuendo to force him to settle exorbitant claims or as revenge for being dismissed.

At times you forget that despite his fame, Michael Jackson is one person. The media is a thousand to tens of thousands and those taking advantage of him as several and connected especially with tabloid media.

Try arguing with a group of ten people and see how far you will go. They will outdo you in abuse, insults and shouting. Now you are asking MJ to take on 1000 and more greedy, hateful, spiteful people. Of course in this situation he's obviously "little Michael". And when someone takes advantage and brings a frivolous lawsuit or part merit, this mob is going to welcome them with open arms as it's another chance to bash Michael with little consideration for Michael's side of the story.

There are two sides to a story and I will say this for 'PatrickS77' I want you to spell out what Michael's side of each story is. Or are you as Geragos put it "there are two sides of a story, it takes someone to tell it and another to hear it, but there are some people who do not want to hear the truth"

Why do you think MJ is appealing if it's not in search for someone along the chain of justice who will give him a fair opportunity to hear him "tell it", his side of the story.

All I hear often is one side of the story and then judgmental statement "pay up".

As for the judge having a good reason to throw it out, why did he not apply that "good reason" and throw out Ayscough's part too rather than have the jury hear that? The jury wasn't going to have a chance to hear MJ "tell it", his side of the story, which was a major component for Michael having dismissed Ayscough because not only had he failed to do what he's supposed to do, but had turned into threatening the client with defamation. Michael was going to be muzzled from telling why he took action to terminate the lawyer and not pay him after being threatened, which could give rise to the lawyer being disbarred or disciplined by the bar after such a civil case. Why on earth would a judge stop that, other than to give unfair advantage to the other side. So Michael was suppossed to explain why he owed and did not pay Ayscough without being able to explain why he terminated and refused to pay.

I've never heard of anyone who hires a lawyer, is dissatisfied with the lawyer and terminates him, receives threats of defamtion and inflated costs and then just pays up.
 
Yes, you'd think after the trial he learned to be more hands on! But it's now over 2 years after the trial and it doesn't look like much has changed!
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not really. this lawsuits and the others are all from the trial era. lawyers who were brought in by certain individuals. its not recent. so u cant say now that nothing has changed.
 
not to mention ainscough was going ot the media with private info. remember the articles around the time of the re fianancing?
 
like i said b4 u cant pay bills if u arent even aware that they exist. if you are paying others to do the job of paying bills then that [is what] they should be doing.[/b]
And that's the bottom line right there.
People weren't doing what they were supposed to be doing. Some of them were robbing him blind instead of sending the money to pay the bills.
 
like i said b4 u cant pay bills if u arent even aware that they exist. if you are paying others to do the job of paying bills then that [is what] they should be doing.[/b]
And that's the bottom line right there.
People weren't doing what they were supposed to be doing. Some of them were robbing him blind instead of sending the money to pay the bills.
 
You started off saying Michael should handle his own money. But Oprah doesn't do it all herself, that's not the problem. You should have just said Michael should take more initiative.[/b]
Regardless whether if someone is putting her checks together or someone doing something for her, in the end, Oprah gives the finally signature and is the finally overseaer before they make a move to do anything with the money. That is still handling your own money.
 
You started off saying Michael should handle his own money. But Oprah doesn't do it all herself, that's not the problem. You should have just said Michael should take more initiative.[/b]
Regardless whether if someone is putting her checks together or someone doing something for her, in the end, Oprah gives the finally signature and is the finally overseaer before they make a move to do anything with the money. That is still handling your own money.
 
When you are famous, you are a target. You'll hear many famous people say this. You'll hear a lot of musicians sing about this. When you meet people, you don't know their intentions. All they show you are wide smiles

The majority of people you meet as a famous person are motivated by fame or money. They want a piece of you. Its when they depart that you see their true colors. The more famous you are, the more vulnerable you become to this kind of stuff. The human heart is inherently evil. We all strive to do good. But ultimately the love of money is the root of all evil. When you have a celeb like MJ who at one point someone commented as being a money-making machine, then that is recipe for trouble. Some of these people will tell you that many people who get to MJ are not true friends, they have ulterior motives for personal gain and they see MJ as a gateway to an easy life. When they get cut off, bitterness overwhelms some of them and there is that desire to inflict hurt in revenge for being cut off. Now, unless you have been in that position or can appreciate that position where you cannot tell where someone is a true friend or they "love" you just because of fame or money, then you cannot know what MJ has to deal with.[/i]
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Why do you think MJ is appealing if it's not in search for someone along the chain of justice who will give him a fair opportunity to hear him "tell it", his side of the story.
i think u have answered ur own question about michael making appeals. has it ever occured to you that michael maybe was appealing because it is the advise of his lawyers who only want to dig deeper into his pocket? clearly, michael cannot handle his own finances or else he would not be having all these financial woes. he has put his trust on people around him hoping that they will all act to his best interest but look... instead of giving him sound advise (like pay up legitimate bills), they tell him to sue so that they can have the chance to dig deeper into his pocket. being a celebrity is really tough. everyone around you acts like they care. wolves abound clothed in sheepskin. ultimately, you just have to learn to chaffe the good from the bad.this is better said than done esp. if ur a celebrity like michael jackson where some people try to be close to you and will take advantage at every opportunity but ultimately, michael has to be on top of things. sure, he should listen to people around him but he needs only to trust himself
 
When you are famous, you are a target. You'll hear many famous people say this. You'll hear a lot of musicians sing about this. When you meet people, you don't know their intentions. All they show you are wide smiles

The majority of people you meet as a famous person are motivated by fame or money. They want a piece of you. Its when they depart that you see their true colors. The more famous you are, the more vulnerable you become to this kind of stuff. The human heart is inherently evil. We all strive to do good. But ultimately the love of money is the root of all evil. When you have a celeb like MJ who at one point someone commented as being a money-making machine, then that is recipe for trouble. Some of these people will tell you that many people who get to MJ are not true friends, they have ulterior motives for personal gain and they see MJ as a gateway to an easy life. When they get cut off, bitterness overwhelms some of them and there is that desire to inflict hurt in revenge for being cut off. Now, unless you have been in that position or can appreciate that position where you cannot tell where someone is a true friend or they "love" you just because of fame or money, then you cannot know what MJ has to deal with.[/i]
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Why do you think MJ is appealing if it's not in search for someone along the chain of justice who will give him a fair opportunity to hear him "tell it", his side of the story.
i think u have answered ur own question about michael making appeals. has it ever occured to you that michael maybe was appealing because it is the advise of his lawyers who only want to dig deeper into his pocket? clearly, michael cannot handle his own finances or else he would not be having all these financial woes. he has put his trust on people around him hoping that they will all act to his best interest but look... instead of giving him sound advise (like pay up legitimate bills), they tell him to sue so that they can have the chance to dig deeper into his pocket. being a celebrity is really tough. everyone around you acts like they care. wolves abound clothed in sheepskin. ultimately, you just have to learn to chaffe the good from the bad.this is better said than done esp. if ur a celebrity like michael jackson where some people try to be close to you and will take advantage at every opportunity but ultimately, michael has to be on top of things. sure, he should listen to people around him but he needs only to trust himself
 
u are so right rsw22,but you have to keep in mind how good it makes some feel to think they are better or doing better than Michael.All these financial experts obviously waisting their talents. Some people you never ever see a post from them unless its and opportunity to bash Michael or get in his business."Pay your bills" simple advice for a simple life, not for an complicated business empire.[/b]

Man, I was just joking, thus the lol. I know Michael's life is too complex for such a simple statement. He's had a cash flow problem, people take advantage of him in these instances, and it pissess me off just as much as anyone else here. The man can't catch a break because some loser is always breathing down his neck.
 
u are so right rsw22,but you have to keep in mind how good it makes some feel to think they are better or doing better than Michael.All these financial experts obviously waisting their talents. Some people you never ever see a post from them unless its and opportunity to bash Michael or get in his business."Pay your bills" simple advice for a simple life, not for an complicated business empire.[/b]

Man, I was just joking, thus the lol. I know Michael's life is too complex for such a simple statement. He's had a cash flow problem, people take advantage of him in these instances, and it pissess me off just as much as anyone else here. The man can't catch a break because some loser is always breathing down his neck.
 
When you are famous, you are a target. You'll hear many famous people say this. You'll hear a lot of musicians sing about this. When you meet people, you don't know their intentions. All they show you are wide smiles.

The majority of people you meet as a famous person are motivated by fame or money. They want a piece of you. It's when they depart that you see their true colors. The more famous you are, the more vulnerable you become to this kind of stuff. The human heart is inherently evil. We all strive to do good. But ultimately the love of money is the root of all evil. When you have a celeb like MJ who at one point someone commented as being a money-making machine, then that is recipe for trouble. Some of these people will tell you that many people who get to MJ are not true friends, they have ulterior motives for personal gain and they see MJ as a gateway to an easy life. When they get cut off, bitterness overwhelms some of them and there is that desire to inflict hurt in revenge for being cut off. Now, unless you have been in that position or can appreciate that position where you cannot tell where someone is a true friend or they "love" you just because of fame or money, then you cannot know what MJ has to deal with.[/b]
Yes, and Michael Jackson is the only celebrity in the world and what you say applies to every F ! % K I N G person on the planet (or in that business) that deals with Michael! Yeah, right! :rolleyes:

I am not saying some of the lawsuits are not legitimate or may not have a part of legitimacy. Take a look at Schaffer’s case...[/b]
Again... I did not say that I thought Schaffel's case was legitimate!

You could go through each of this cases and what it all comes down to is, either bogus cases, or low fee cases being inflated, escorted with slandering Michael in public and all following on from successive people trying to harm Michael.[/b]
And that is what I just don't buy anymore! Not every person dealing with Michael Jackson is a fraud like the fan world loves to believe!

If it hadn't been Bashir, would Schaffel be suing Michael after he was fired? Would Ayscough have worked for Michael, would Prescient have happened? and a lot more?[/b]
What does Bashir have to do with failing to pay the Vets bill?? What does Bashir have to do with failing to pay the Neverland employees? What does Bashir have to do with failing to pay an art gallery? What does Bashir have to do with failing to pay the pharmacy??

Yes, lawyers were hired to do work, but what preceded that? What was the cause? That's something you tend to overlook in your criticism of Michael. And if it hadn't been for Chandlers, would Bashir come to do to Michael what he did?
It's a chain of events, and a chain that some of those employed or meeting Michael have tried to take advantage of.[/b]
Okay, bad things have happened to Michael, so he don't have to pay no more??

The lawyers are entitled to be paid - but as long as they have done what they were paid to do and as long as they did not engage in threats towards their clients.
Associates are entitled to be paid - but as long as they do not make monetary claims that they are not entitled to
Employees are entitled to be paid - but as long as reputable accountants do not engage in diverting money meant for employees and lawyers and putting it in their accounts[/b]
And again, all the people Michael is dealing with are assumed to be frauds!

If any of the above have not been paid, they are entitled to sue in court and to be heard by a judge and jury. - but not to use the lawsuits as a chance to try and hurt Michael by leaking private details, slandering him in public and feeding into tabloid innuendo to force him to settle exorbitant claims or as revenge for being dismissed.[/b]
Well, that's not right to do that, but if that is, like someone suggested, the only way to get to him? If he would have paid what he owed, it probably wouldn't get that far in the first place!

At times you forget that despite his fame, Michael Jackson is one person. The media is a thousand to tens of thousands and those taking advantage of him as several and connected especially with tabloid media.[/b]
This is not about the media... this is about Michael handling his business (which obviously is none of my busines, but since we dicuss Michael Jackson, we can also dicuss that... I just find it funny how everyone automaticly assumes Michael did no wrong)!

There are two sides to a story and I will say this for 'PatrickS77' I want you to spell out what Michael's side of each story is. Or are you as Geragos put it "there are two sides of a story, it takes someone to tell it and another to hear it, but there are some people who do not want to hear the truth"[/b]
Of course there are two sides and it's also not black and white! But I just don't buy the "Oh, it's everybody elses fault" excuse anymore! But you eat it all up, the bad world against Michael, so all is well! Again, I do not believe that all the claims are legit, but I also do not believe that all the claims are meritless! And I do believe that some of the things happening are avoidable! And it's sad, that these days all we hear about him are him failing to pay his bills and getting sued!

As for the judge having a good reason to throw it out, why did he not apply that "good reason" and throw out Ayscough's part too rather than have the jury hear that? The jury wasn't going to have a chance to hear MJ "tell it", his side of the story, which was a major component for Michael having dismissed Ayscough because not only had he failed to do what he's supposed to do, but had turned into threatening the client with defamation. Michael was going to be muzzled from telling why he took action to terminate the lawyer and not pay him after being threatened, which could give rise to the lawyer being disbarred or disciplined by the bar after such a civil case. Why on earth would a judge stop that, other than to give unfair advantage to the other side. So Michael was suppossed to explain why he owed and did not pay Ayscough without being able to explain why he terminated and refused to pay.[/b]
Well, I'm no judge! But a judge has to look at the evidence and then decide if there is enough grounds to go to trial! Obviously there was not enough evidence for any of the things Michael's camp claimed to go to trial! And I just do not believe that every single judge, who rules against Michael has it in for him! And the threatening happened, after he refused to pay!

And that's about it for me now! I'm done with that topic! I said what I had to say!
 
When you are famous, you are a target. You'll hear many famous people say this. You'll hear a lot of musicians sing about this. When you meet people, you don't know their intentions. All they show you are wide smiles.

The majority of people you meet as a famous person are motivated by fame or money. They want a piece of you. It's when they depart that you see their true colors. The more famous you are, the more vulnerable you become to this kind of stuff. The human heart is inherently evil. We all strive to do good. But ultimately the love of money is the root of all evil. When you have a celeb like MJ who at one point someone commented as being a money-making machine, then that is recipe for trouble. Some of these people will tell you that many people who get to MJ are not true friends, they have ulterior motives for personal gain and they see MJ as a gateway to an easy life. When they get cut off, bitterness overwhelms some of them and there is that desire to inflict hurt in revenge for being cut off. Now, unless you have been in that position or can appreciate that position where you cannot tell where someone is a true friend or they "love" you just because of fame or money, then you cannot know what MJ has to deal with.[/b]
Yes, and Michael Jackson is the only celebrity in the world and what you say applies to every F ! % K I N G person on the planet (or in that business) that deals with Michael! Yeah, right! :rolleyes:

I am not saying some of the lawsuits are not legitimate or may not have a part of legitimacy. Take a look at Schaffer’s case...[/b]
Again... I did not say that I thought Schaffel's case was legitimate!

You could go through each of this cases and what it all comes down to is, either bogus cases, or low fee cases being inflated, escorted with slandering Michael in public and all following on from successive people trying to harm Michael.[/b]
And that is what I just don't buy anymore! Not every person dealing with Michael Jackson is a fraud like the fan world loves to believe!

If it hadn't been Bashir, would Schaffel be suing Michael after he was fired? Would Ayscough have worked for Michael, would Prescient have happened? and a lot more?[/b]
What does Bashir have to do with failing to pay the Vets bill?? What does Bashir have to do with failing to pay the Neverland employees? What does Bashir have to do with failing to pay an art gallery? What does Bashir have to do with failing to pay the pharmacy??

Yes, lawyers were hired to do work, but what preceded that? What was the cause? That's something you tend to overlook in your criticism of Michael. And if it hadn't been for Chandlers, would Bashir come to do to Michael what he did?
It's a chain of events, and a chain that some of those employed or meeting Michael have tried to take advantage of.[/b]
Okay, bad things have happened to Michael, so he don't have to pay no more??

The lawyers are entitled to be paid - but as long as they have done what they were paid to do and as long as they did not engage in threats towards their clients.
Associates are entitled to be paid - but as long as they do not make monetary claims that they are not entitled to
Employees are entitled to be paid - but as long as reputable accountants do not engage in diverting money meant for employees and lawyers and putting it in their accounts[/b]
And again, all the people Michael is dealing with are assumed to be frauds!

If any of the above have not been paid, they are entitled to sue in court and to be heard by a judge and jury. - but not to use the lawsuits as a chance to try and hurt Michael by leaking private details, slandering him in public and feeding into tabloid innuendo to force him to settle exorbitant claims or as revenge for being dismissed.[/b]
Well, that's not right to do that, but if that is, like someone suggested, the only way to get to him? If he would have paid what he owed, it probably wouldn't get that far in the first place!

At times you forget that despite his fame, Michael Jackson is one person. The media is a thousand to tens of thousands and those taking advantage of him as several and connected especially with tabloid media.[/b]
This is not about the media... this is about Michael handling his business (which obviously is none of my busines, but since we dicuss Michael Jackson, we can also dicuss that... I just find it funny how everyone automaticly assumes Michael did no wrong)!

There are two sides to a story and I will say this for 'PatrickS77' I want you to spell out what Michael's side of each story is. Or are you as Geragos put it "there are two sides of a story, it takes someone to tell it and another to hear it, but there are some people who do not want to hear the truth"[/b]
Of course there are two sides and it's also not black and white! But I just don't buy the "Oh, it's everybody elses fault" excuse anymore! But you eat it all up, the bad world against Michael, so all is well! Again, I do not believe that all the claims are legit, but I also do not believe that all the claims are meritless! And I do believe that some of the things happening are avoidable! And it's sad, that these days all we hear about him are him failing to pay his bills and getting sued!

As for the judge having a good reason to throw it out, why did he not apply that "good reason" and throw out Ayscough's part too rather than have the jury hear that? The jury wasn't going to have a chance to hear MJ "tell it", his side of the story, which was a major component for Michael having dismissed Ayscough because not only had he failed to do what he's supposed to do, but had turned into threatening the client with defamation. Michael was going to be muzzled from telling why he took action to terminate the lawyer and not pay him after being threatened, which could give rise to the lawyer being disbarred or disciplined by the bar after such a civil case. Why on earth would a judge stop that, other than to give unfair advantage to the other side. So Michael was suppossed to explain why he owed and did not pay Ayscough without being able to explain why he terminated and refused to pay.[/b]
Well, I'm no judge! But a judge has to look at the evidence and then decide if there is enough grounds to go to trial! Obviously there was not enough evidence for any of the things Michael's camp claimed to go to trial! And I just do not believe that every single judge, who rules against Michael has it in for him! And the threatening happened, after he refused to pay!

And that's about it for me now! I'm done with that topic! I said what I had to say!
 
Bottom line. We don't know shit about Michael's financial situation, all we know is he's a smart business man, who has more money then anyone would like you to believe, and has trouble paying his bills sometimes. Sometimes because he's too busy and involved with his creative process and parenting to pay any attention, because let's face it, things like numbers and accounting probably bore the daylights out of Michael, his own assistant Evvy said that Michael doesn't do well with things like keeping track of bills, appointments, time, etc.., he's just got too creative a mind for that kind of mundane crap, and sometimes because some money grubbing pieces of trash are trying to take advantage of him. It's all plain and simple.

Michael understands how all of this works, believe it, he just doesn't always have the time or the energy to keep track of it all.
 
Bottom line. We don't know shit about Michael's financial situation, all we know is he's a smart business man, who has more money then anyone would like you to believe, and has trouble paying his bills sometimes. Sometimes because he's too busy and involved with his creative process and parenting to pay any attention, because let's face it, things like numbers and accounting probably bore the daylights out of Michael, his own assistant Evvy said that Michael doesn't do well with things like keeping track of bills, appointments, time, etc.., he's just got too creative a mind for that kind of mundane crap, and sometimes because some money grubbing pieces of trash are trying to take advantage of him. It's all plain and simple.

Michael understands how all of this works, believe it, he just doesn't always have the time or the energy to keep track of it all.
 
Bottom line. We don't know shit about Michael's financial situation, all we know is he's a smart business man, who has more money then anyone would like you to believe, and has trouble paying his bills sometimes.[/b]
LOL at "smart business man"... he's either one thing or the other!

Sometimes because he's too busy and involved with his creative process and parenting to pay any attention, because let's face it, things like numbers and accounting probably bore the daylights out of Michael, his own assistant Evvy said that Michael doesn't do well with things like keeping track of bills, appointments, time, etc.., he's just got too creative a mind for that kind of mundane crap, and sometimes because some money grubbing pieces of trash are trying to take advantage of him. It's all plain and simple.[/b]
Yep, and that stand-offish attitude is what gets him into trouble! And now I'm really done... at least for today! ;)
 
Bottom line. We don't know shit about Michael's financial situation, all we know is he's a smart business man, who has more money then anyone would like you to believe, and has trouble paying his bills sometimes.[/b]
LOL at "smart business man"... he's either one thing or the other!

Sometimes because he's too busy and involved with his creative process and parenting to pay any attention, because let's face it, things like numbers and accounting probably bore the daylights out of Michael, his own assistant Evvy said that Michael doesn't do well with things like keeping track of bills, appointments, time, etc.., he's just got too creative a mind for that kind of mundane crap, and sometimes because some money grubbing pieces of trash are trying to take advantage of him. It's all plain and simple.[/b]
Yep, and that stand-offish attitude is what gets him into trouble! And now I'm really done... at least for today! ;)
 
Regardless whether if someone is putting her checks together or someone doing something for her, in the end, Oprah gives the finally signature and is the finally overseaer before they make a move to do anything with the money. That is still handling your own money.[/b]
Oprah ain't Michael, she doesn't have three small children, nor has she had to publicly deal with a slew of people who she later found out were trying purposely to bankrupt her and snatch her assets. There are rich people all over the world who hire and trust people to manage their assets. For some, they have the time and the connections to personally manage a large part of their financial assets. Some do not.

For all we know, Mike currently has final say over any and every dime that is transferred in his name. What we're seeing now is still the aftermath of a pretty shady and terrible time in his life. He's working out whatever he needs to work out.
 
Regardless whether if someone is putting her checks together or someone doing something for her, in the end, Oprah gives the finally signature and is the finally overseaer before they make a move to do anything with the money. That is still handling your own money.[/b]
Oprah ain't Michael, she doesn't have three small children, nor has she had to publicly deal with a slew of people who she later found out were trying purposely to bankrupt her and snatch her assets. There are rich people all over the world who hire and trust people to manage their assets. For some, they have the time and the connections to personally manage a large part of their financial assets. Some do not.

For all we know, Mike currently has final say over any and every dime that is transferred in his name. What we're seeing now is still the aftermath of a pretty shady and terrible time in his life. He's working out whatever he needs to work out.
 
LOL at "smart business man"... he's either one thing or the other!


Yep, and that stand-offish attitude is what gets him into trouble! And now I'm really done... at least for today! ;)[/b]

He IS a smart business man, he UNDERSTANDS how it works, how it opperates. He just doesn't always have the time or the energy to pay attention. You're being condecending. Someone who is bad at business doens't obtain the kind of wealth or standing that Michael has. He owns half of Sony music publishing, he owns 100% of his own publishing, he's going to own 100% of his own masters, he isn't stupid and he isn't lazy. He just has trouble with keeping track of this shit, plain and simple. And sometimes it's not that at all, sometimes there really ARE people who are trying to take advantage of him. He understands how this stuff works, he just isn't as interested in it as obviously he would be in something like music or taking care of his children. And sometimes he just doesn't have the time. If you were a multi, multi millionare, probably a billionare, would you be able to keep track of it all so easily?
 
LOL at "smart business man"... he's either one thing or the other!


Yep, and that stand-offish attitude is what gets him into trouble! And now I'm really done... at least for today! ;)[/b]

He IS a smart business man, he UNDERSTANDS how it works, how it opperates. He just doesn't always have the time or the energy to pay attention. You're being condecending. Someone who is bad at business doens't obtain the kind of wealth or standing that Michael has. He owns half of Sony music publishing, he owns 100% of his own publishing, he's going to own 100% of his own masters, he isn't stupid and he isn't lazy. He just has trouble with keeping track of this shit, plain and simple. And sometimes it's not that at all, sometimes there really ARE people who are trying to take advantage of him. He understands how this stuff works, he just isn't as interested in it as obviously he would be in something like music or taking care of his children. And sometimes he just doesn't have the time. If you were a multi, multi millionare, probably a billionare, would you be able to keep track of it all so easily?
 
Didn't Mesereau refer to the people who were around Mike as a "sea of mediocrity"? I think that's pretty accurate. Anyone who is gigantic (ie Winfrey, Trump, whoever) have an incredible infrastructure of spectacular people who live and breathe their jobs. For so long that's what Mike has been lacking.
 
Didn't Mesereau refer to the people who were around Mike as a "sea of mediocrity"? I think that's pretty accurate. Anyone who is gigantic (ie Winfrey, Trump, whoever) have an incredible infrastructure of spectacular people who live and breathe their jobs. For so long that's what Mike has been lacking.
 
^ exactly

show me a professional team around michael and i'll show you music, concerts and videos. you have to get the mix right. that why I only agree 50% that Michael is a good businessman, he has made sound business decisions in his time but he has never looked after his brand.
 
^ exactly

show me a professional team around michael and i'll show you music, concerts and videos. you have to get the mix right. that why I only agree 50% that Michael is a good businessman, he has made sound business decisions in his time but he has never looked after his brand.
 
He's good in the sense that he understand business, he understands how to make money. He's not good at the details involved in keeping track. But he does understand the business of making money, believe it.
 
He's good in the sense that he understand business, he understands how to make money. He's not good at the details involved in keeping track. But he does understand the business of making money, believe it.
 
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