Janet Jackson on Dateline - Sunday, Feb.13th

[twinklEE]

it's just sad to see how people go as low as using religion to justify Katherine's behavior...
Katherine's religion had nothing to do with her decision to let Joe run amok on her children, and do whatever he pleases/s. It was solely her own decision. And no, it was not God's fault, it wasn't Jehova, nor the elders,. who told her to let her husband continously abuse her kids. It was her own mind that told her 2 ignore it, and let it go on.

 

[Alma]

[...] and one husband two wives (MJ) [...] .religion is the last thing the Jacksons think of !

Excuse us?

What does a person having two wives have to do with religion being the last thing on his mind? This is one of the most irrational things ever heard. If one has more than one reason to divorce another, then remarries (and btw, he did it the second time Precisely on grounds of religion, And for procreation purposes, so as not to have a child out of wedlock, as they say...), then it means religion is the last thing on their mind? .. If that's the way to make a point, it's certainly warped.

Learn new things every day. ...

 

[Alma]

It was solely her own decision. And no, it was not God's fault, it wasn't Jehova, nor the elders,. It was her own mind that told her 2 ignore it

I agree...

 

[bouee]

I will never forget how she has supported MJ, how she walked up on a stage before the world, and stood beside her brother wearing a tee shirt "pervert, too", essentially mocking those allegations. That she now chooses, at least from what we've seen so far, to malign her brother is actually painful. It's just really hard to accept that she is so clueless about what she's doing out there. So it gets down to her doing it to sell her d@mn book.

I totally agree with you, it is painful to see Janet do that.

 

[Tipareth]

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So sorry people.... I am stupid it seems.... :no:

 

[Tipareth]

I will not be buying anything Janet is promoting.

Not in a million of years!

Janet is closed chapter for me.

 

[Tipareth]

I am going to have to stop you right there. JWs do not feel that husbands are superior, they feel he is the head. (If you want clarification on that PM me, I will not derail the thread with that). And Kath's decision to let Joe get away with his antics is not because of what she was taught as a JW, it was because of her own choice.

Only now I saw this. My intention was other... it's hard to explain...

I will erase all my replays, I do not want to upset people. I am very sad about this.

The way women are looked is my opinion on many religions, Christian and not Christian, not only JW, sorry if it looked like I was singled it out. There are studies out there that are in concordance with what I've said, describing the passivity that women built through centuries up to today and reasons. Some of them are religious reasons.

But please forgive me.... I am so sorry... :no:

 

[rainny]

it's just sad to see how people go as low as using religion to justify Katherine's behavior...

I was told by a JW that when the spouse commits adultery, one is free to

divorce. If so, Katherine's reason to keep letting Joseph run the show is not

her religion.

 

[rainny]

The way women are looked is my opinion on many religions, Christian and not Christian, not only JW, sorry if it looked like I was singled it out. There are studies out there that are in concordance with what I've said, describing the passivity that women built through centuries up to today and reasons. Some of them are religious reasons.

That's true except that the passivity was not built by the women but imposed

on them , but that's another subject.....

 

[Alma]

Only now I saw this. My intention was other... it's hard to explain...

I will erase all my replays, I do not want to upset people. I am very sad about this.

The way women are looked is my opinion on many religions, Christian and not Christian, not only JW, sorry if it looked like I was singled it out. There are studies out there that are in concordance with what I've said, describing the passivity that women built through centuries up to today and reasons. Some of them are religious reasons.

But please forgive me.... I am so sorry... :no:

You're not stupid!... The reactions of some were a bit violent, and you don't need this. ... It is Okay to have different opinions from other people, what would the world be like if thinking were linear? Aside from boring, it would be impossible. There wouldn't be debates, and that still would prove boring, not to mention counterproductive.

And I agree on that religion is constricting some to react/behave a certain way. Including Katherine. .. It's just that, by hearing his mother denying in a couple of interviews that Joseph hit Michael, that is something some feel was her personal choice to back Joseph. An irrational one too. It's not like she was asked to divorce her husband live, just admit to his wrongdoings, instead of deeming them normal. ..Because she was basically stating that Michael lied about the beatings, thus made Michael look like a fool. Undeservingly. ....She did tell Joseph on Oprah to admit to him whipping Michael or whatever, but up until that point, it was either denying it, or minimizing it and the serious effects those beatings had on Michael.

Stay strong, no reason to be sorry... You don't need to explain yourself for how you feel, you said nothing catastrophical. ....

 

[ginvid]

You're not stupid!... The reactions of some were a bit violent, and you don't need this. ... It is Okay to have different opinions from other people, what would the world be like if thinking were linear? Aside from boring, it would be impossible. There wouldn't be debates, and that still would prove boring, not to mention counterproductive.

And I agree on that religion is constricting some to react/behave a certain way. Including Katherine. .. It's just that, by hearing his mother denying in a couple of interviews that Joseph hit Michael, that is something some feel was her personal choice to back Joseph. An irrational one too. It's not like she was asked to divorce her husband live, just admit to his wrongdoings, instead of deeming them normal. ..Because she was basically stating that Michael lied about the beatings, thus made Michael look like a fool. Undeservingly. ....She did tell Joseph on Oprah to admit to him whipping Michael or whatever, but up until that point, it was either denying it, or minimizing it and the serious effects those beatings had on Michael.

Stay strong, no reason to be sorry... You don't need to explain yourself for how you feel, you said nothing catastrophical. ....

She said nothing catastrophic, but she did say sonething that wad incorrect (even though that was explained in PM that that was not what was meant).
And you are incorrect, it was not Kathetine's religion that "constricted" her so that she stayed with Joe. It was because she chose to. Do Not put the blame on JW's for Kath's actions.

But yes, Tipareth, after you explained yourself, I can day I undetstand. It is easy to come to misunderstandings over computers. But when we are open to listening, we explain ourselves and we get over it. And when we mistakenly offend there is nothing wrong with apologizing. It really shows your humility. And, it is admirable.

You are very sweet and I am grateful for that. :wub:

 

[ExoticPrincess]

See, that is the problem that I have with Janet and the rest of the Jacksons who USE Michael to promote themselves. Janet says negative things about Michael when it is CONVENIENT(Oprah, Robin Roberts, etc.). She says thing positive when she wants to sucker in his fans(like this book, the "tribute at her concerts,etc.) It's really amazing and pathetic how some MJ fans fall for her fakery. It's also amazing how some fans can't figure this out for themselves. Just think about it, Janet would never have DARED to say the things that she has said about Michael when he was alive as she is doing now. She knows that there is no one(except his KNOWLEDGABLE fans) who will come forward and defend him. She knows that the family is going to be silent or go along with the crap that she spews. They want to appear "united"(gags in disgust). She respected her ex-husband, Rene, who was a known heroin addict and cheater. Yet, she has thrown him under the but and said one word about his cheating ways and REAL drug abuse. She shuts you down when you ask questions about her ex. She shuts you down when you ask questions about other members of her family. Never has she spoken about her other brothers problems. YET, she waits until Michael is murdered and no longer here to DISREPECT him. I will never forgive her, Joe, REbbie and any other members of his family for doing him like that. It is no excuse for family to do him like that and think that fans will forgive them, excuse them, or forget about what they are doing. I don't care that some fans are naive enough to forget or forgive her and the others for what they have done since Michael was killed. I won't forget or forgive. Of course, that's MY opinion and MY beliefs.

I think that the fan community knows exactly who Michael Jackson was. It's the world out there who doesn't have a clue. Do you think that the world out there thinks of Mike as a Messiah and angel or as a freaking pedophile, a monster who finally is dead and the children are safe? I think it's the second one. And having his sister talking about how cruel he was to her (i think he appologized but hey who cares eh? And i think there were her other brothers too but again who cares. Mike is the monster) do you think it makes him look better? Please, visit some MJ forum and see what they say.Some even claim that he deserved the Wa*** Ja*** joke because he made fun of his sister butt, IN THE PRIVATE OF THEIR HOME. Again, we the fans know who Michael was.We know that he was a person full of faults, we don't expect ms. Janet to tell us. But she could talk about something else in change. About the fact that he was probably one of the biggest HUMANITARINAS ever? This is something that people out there don't know. Why don't talk about that? Why talk about the fat jokes huh?
I don't have anything with her. She can say whatever the hell she want. But by saying all those things about her brother it reinforces the negative image that people have already for him. And that is very sad. Again, it's not about the fans, it's about the world out there who has already a very very negative opinion about Mike.
But hey, as long as the books sells, who cares... Now next stop. Dear Oprah Winfrey. Outch!!!

:clapping: I like Janet, like a few other Jacksons too, but have been greatly disappointed because you are so right...everything possible and reprehensible has been said about MJ. The media and public don't need another unqualified tidbit to villify him. It's not about truth here, it's about context, and unless Janet balances her comments with a positive overview on MJ, she's just adding fuel to the unending MJ bash fire.

Janet is enjoying a resurgence in her career because of Michael--just as admittedly Michael's music enjoyed such a resurgence. At this stage in her career, no way would Janet be getting the kind of major television network coverage, with morning interviews and a nighttime plug of a health book if she wasn't MJ's sister and what happened to him hadn't. It's all front and center for her at least for this book because of Michael. The promos are about MJ and negative on him. She's been in the business now for decades, too. Negativity sells. She knows that.

I will never forget how she has supported MJ, how she walked up on a stage before the world, and stood beside her brother wearing a tee shirt "pervert, too", essentially mocking those allegations. That she now chooses, at least from what we've seen so far, to malign her brother is actually painful. It's just really hard to accept that she is so clueless about what she's doing out there. So it gets down to her doing it to sell her d@mn book.

On point!:yes:

 

[StacyJ]

I find it strange that she disrespected MJ on Robin Roberts and Oprah by calling him an addict and now on Dateline she decides to dedicate her book to him. Am I the only that finds that hypocritical?

 

[marebear]

The problem isn't that Janet wrote a book. It seems like everybody does. The problem is that she says her brothers teased her (all of them) yet she is asked about what MICHAEL did. That's what the attention is at. The problem isn't that Michael teased her and I bet she bugged him too. That's what brothers and sisters do.

The problem is again the media take something negative about Michael and say that Janet was verbally abused by her brother Michael. Even though that is not what she is saying right? The public reads this and adds to the negative opinion they have of Michael. Who gives the media the opening to do this but someone in his family again. They should know better or watch how they say things. Michael is dead and the negativity in the media keeps going. I am just tired of it.

For me it's not about Janet writing a book or Michael not being perfect. Nobody is perfect. The media want to make Michael look bad that hasn't changed now that he is gone. His family, friends and fans should all be sick and tired of it. Leave him alone and let him have peace.

Marlon said at the memorial that maybe now Michael will be left alone. He isn't be left alone.

 

[xthunderx2]

The problem isn't that Janet wrote a book. It seems like everybody does. The problem is that she says her brothers teased her (all of them) yet she is asked about what MICHAEL did. That's what the attention is at. The problem isn't that Michael teased her and I bet she bugged him too. That's what brothers and sisters do.

The problem is again the media take something negative about Michael and say that Janet was verbally abused by her brother Michael. Even though that is not what she is saying right? The public reads this and adds to the negative opinion they have of Michael. Who gives the media the opening to do this but someone in his family again. They should know better or watch how they say things. Michael is dead and the negativity in the media keeps going. I am just tired of it.

For me it's not about Janet writing a book or Michael not being perfect. Nobody is perfect. The media want to make Michael look bad that hasn't changed now that he is gone. His family, friends and fans should all be sick and tired of it. Leave him alone and let him have peace.

Marlon said at the memorial that maybe now Michael will be left alone. He isn't be left alone.

exactly..and it seems as the FANS are the only ones that seem to have Michael's back..once again.....the family should be united WITH the fans...and speak about Michael is a positive light..NOT the negative one that they have been. Enough is enough now..how many more talk shows are certain Jackson's gonna go on and talk shit about Michael?? Michael could of done the same thing when he was here..BUT he chose not to...God knows he certainly had alot more stuff he could of ratted them out on should he of chosen to. but no..Michael had class....I think the rest of the family...should be his students.....and do as he did. But the are greedy and starved for media attention..so it is easier for them to throw Michael under the bus and get their media craving fed.

 

[Memefan]

Janet's book isn't about Michael, it's
Janet also dedictaes the book to her brother and says:

"I can't describe our pain in losing a brother, or the pain of his children in losing their father, or the pain of my parents in losing their son. I still have not seen the film, 'This Is It.' I still can't watch any of his videos, listen to his music. I'm certain that one day I'll again be able to enjoy the miraculous sound of his voice, and the marvelous sight of his dancing. But, that day has not yet arrived. The mourning continues."

What a hypocritical &^%$*

She wrote that for MJ's fans...I hope none of you will pick up that hot mess.

Save your money ...or give it to a homeless person.

The mourning continues....my ASS!!!!

 

[StacyJ]

What a hypocritical &^%$*

She wrote that for MJ's fans...I hope none of you will pick up that hot mess.

Save your money ...or give it to a homeless person.

The mourning continues....my ASS!!!!

I agree Meme.. I don't find that sincere at all especially when she admitted that she hadn't even mourned or grieved, so how is it continuing?

I think Janet has gotten some negative feedback from MJ fans regarding her comments so she decided to dedicate the book to them in order to absolve what she did. That's just my opinion.

 

[xthunderx2]

I agree Meme.. I don't find that sincere at all especially when she admitted that she hadn't even mourned or grieved, so how is it continuing?

I think Janet has gotten some negative feedback from MJ fans regarding her comments so she decided to dedicate the book to them in order to absolve what she did. That's just my opinion.

Personally....I dont think anyone in that family gives a damn about what Michael's fans like or don't like about what it is they say about Michael.....because they keep saying the same stuff at every interview. I mean really now..they have been famous long enough to know to avoid those question in a interview that they dont want to answer.....they CHOOSE to answer these questions about Michael. Poor..poor Jackson's....NOT. They are still here...Michael is not....I would think they would want his memory and his legacy to be a positive one....but I guess they are all worried more about THEIR own memorizes and legacy's.....how they will be remembered. It is as clear as glass to me that they want THEIRS to be better than Michael's. IMO....that will NEVER happen!!

 

[Memefan]

Personally....I dont think anyone in that family gives a damn about what Michael's fans like or don't like about what it is they say about Michael.....because they keep saying the same stuff at every interview. I mean really now..they have been famous long enough to know to avoid those question in a interview that they dont want to answer.....they CHOOSE to answer these questions about Michael. Poor..poor Jackson's....NOT. They are still here...Michael is not....I would think they would want his memory and his legacy to be a positive one....but I guess they are all worried more about THEIR own memorizes and legacy's.....how they will be remembered. It is as clear as glass to me that they want THEIRS to be better than Michael's. IMO....that will NEVER happen!!

They might not care what we think...but they still want our money. All of them.

Janet hasn't been relevant in years...but with MJ's passing, she's been giving high profile interviews to discuss MJ's death in exchange for extra publicity for her own projects.

Money talks.

A few years back, she would be caught dead answering MJ-related questions, remember the Oprah interview??

If she agrees to do it now, that is clearly because it suits her purpose. Bring her extra press...like ONLY MJ can. Dead or alive.

 

[StacyJ]

They might not care what we think...but they still want our money. All of them.

Janet hasn't been relevant in years...but with MJ's passing, she's been giving high profile interviews to discuss MJ's death in exchange for extra publicity for her own projects.

Money talks.

well they've lost a fan in me forever

 

[xthunderx2]

They might not care what we think...but they still want our money. All of them.

Janet hasn't been relevant in years...but with MJ's passing, she's been giving high profile interviews to discuss MJ's death in exchange for extra publicity for her own projects.

Money talks.

I agree...and its just so sad that Michael is still being used that way by his own family.....I have never seen such disrespect;. She talks about losing a brother....well I have lost a sister....same thing....the only difference....I never threw her under the bus for financial gain...that is just plain tacky of her...and all the rest that has used MJ's name to promote whatever it is they have tried to promote since June 25th.

 

[magiktori]

i am a fan of janet but sometimes the things she says about her brother baaffle me however some of this name calling would not be happening if mj were here you guys can hate on janet all you like but some of this is beyond nasty i however will be buying the book but not because of the decation i dont think i will be buying it used once the reviews come out

 

[Memefan]

i am a fan of janet but sometimes the things she says about her brother baaffle me however some of this name calling would not be happening if mj were here you guys can hate on janet all you like but some of this is beyond nasty i however will be buying the book but not because of the decation i dont think i will be buying it used once the reviews come out

I've said a lot worse about Janet ...while MJ was alive.


People need to let go of that "MJ wouldn't approve of...." Bullsh!t. MJ was MJ... We are our own individuals... Kapish?

Newsflash: I've tweeted Janet directly what I think of her. I don't do hypocrisy.

 

[Moulin Rouge]

I find it strange that she disrespected MJ on Robin Roberts and Oprah by calling him an addict and now on Dateline she decides to dedicate her book to him. Am I the only that finds that hypocritical?

So because she felt her brother had a problem that equates to she doesn't love him so can't dedicate her book to him? if that's you kind of logic you probably need to start back at square one. Heaven forbid you have a family member who has any kind of problem because you seem like the type to shun them and not be supportive at all.

I agree Meme.. I don't find that sincere at all especially when she admitted that she hadn't even mourned or grieved, so how is it continuing?

I think Janet has gotten some negative feedback from MJ fans regarding her comments so she decided to dedicate the book to them in order to absolve what she did. That's just my opinion.

Maybe you have never lost someone you love and if so you are lucky because if you did you'd understand what grieving is and how complex it is. Michael being her brother is enough for her to dedicate her book to him, there have been people who had no relation to him but were inspired by Michael who have dedicated something to him. Janet doesn't need to cater to her brother's fans.

well they've lost a fan in me forever

I hope they don't bother themsleves too much over this becuase you are THAT important.

Your ego knows no boundaries :lol:

 

[MJStorm]

They might not care what we think...but they still want our money. All of them.

Janet hasn't been relevant in years...but with MJ's passing, she's been giving high profile interviews to discuss MJ's death in exchange for extra publicity for her own projects.

Money talks.

A few years back, she would be caught dead answering MJ-related questions, remember the Oprah interview??

If she agrees to do it now, that is clearly because it suits her purpose. Bring her extra press...like ONLY MJ can. Dead or alive.

:clapping:

 

[Justthefacts]

In a span of 15 years Janet has gone from talking about Michael like he was the best thing that ever happened to her to acting like he was nothing but an addict an abuser and a guy who care less about his own kids. And before some of you say why would I say that well with all the things she is saying about him of course he did not give a crap about his kids just his addictions and being a mean person.

 

[Alayasha]

I agree...and its just so sad that Michael is still being used that way by his own family.....I have never seen such disrespect;. She talks about losing a brother....well I have lost a sister....same thing....the only difference....I never threw her under the bus for financial gain...that is just plain tacky of her...and all the rest that has used MJ's name to promote whatever it is they have tried to promote since June 25th.

I understand what you are saying. I think most of us are use to seeing all of a person's "problems" die with them and all of their good qualities celebrated. Even Richard Nixon received this treatment after his death. I think one of the problems is that we try to compare how Janet should honor her brother based on how youy or I would act. One very telling statement she made to Oprah is that she had lost Michael as a brother around the time of Thriller. I know there are some who will interpret her words based on what they believe she meant or what they want her to mean; however, I will take Janet at her word. She chose her words deliberately. She didn't say they lost closeness or couldn't spend as much time together, she said she lost him as a brother. If he ceased being like a brother, emotionally, what was he to her at point? Maybe this could explain why she isn't responding like many expect a sister to do. Also, as Michael's body lay in thee freezer at FL for weeks, a family friend/relative gave an interview to a paper and the person seemed livid. He/she said that the Jackson's were fighting over where to bury him, etc... and they treated Michael more like a celebrity than a brother. I will try to find this article when I get home because it can explain a lot about what we are seeing now.

As far as Janet's book is concerned, she has every right to tell her story and I think most mature people would agree that derogatory name calling is wrong. I don't know if she discusses it in her book and it has been ignored by the media but there has been some big issues abscent from her interviews. Namely, the role of the parents, teasing/name-calling being accepted in her family. Also, when Michael knew better, he apologized. Noone can un-say something so the best Janet could get was an apology. Finally, self-esteem is just that, self-esteem. No one can take your self esteem, you give it away. Hopefully she discovers what it is within her to internalize negativity and take ownership of it. That's not her brothers fault, that's all her own. The pics of Michael that she told Oprah that she loves to look at all come from the period that she says he called her those names so there is something much deeper than the name calling going on.

 

[chanel05]

I understand what you are saying. I think most of us are use to seeing all of a person's "problems" die with them and all of their good qualities celebrated. Even Richard Nixon received this treatment after his death. I think one of the problems is that we try to compare how Janet should honor her brother based on how youy or I would act. One very telling statement she made to Oprah is that she had lost Michael as a brother around the time of Thriller. I know there are some who will interpret her words based on what they believe she meant or what they want her to mean; however, I will take Janet at her word. She chose her words deliberately. She didn't say they lost closeness or couldn't spend as much time together, she said she lost him as a brother. If he ceased being like a brother, emotionally, what was he to her at point? Maybe this could explain why she isn't responding like many expect a sister to do. Also, as Michael's body lay in thee freezer at FL for weeks, a family friend/relative gave an interview to a paper and the person seemed livid. He/she said that the Jackson's were fighting over where to bury him, etc... and they treated Michael more like a celebrity than a brother. I will try to find this article when I get home because it can explain a lot about what we are seeing now.

As far as Janet's book is concerned, she has every right to tell her story and I think most mature people would agree that derogatory name calling is wrong. I don't know if she discusses it in her book and it has been ignored by the media but there has been some big issues abscent from her interviews. Namely, the role of the parents, teasing/name-calling being accepted in her family. Also, when Michael knew better, he apologized. Noone can un-say something so the best Janet could get was an apology. Finally, self-esteem is just that, self-esteem. No one can take your self esteem, you give it away. Hopefully she discovers what it is within her to internalize negativity and take ownership of it. That's not her brothers fault, that's all her own.

I disagree with the last part.. You don't give yourself esteem away and people do take it from you by putting you down, teasing you, and making you feel inadequate. Also she never blames her brothers, she just said that the name calling affected her. I'm sure it is part of the root of her self esteem issues though.

 

[chanel05]

In a span of 15 years Janet has gone from talking about Michael like he was the best thing that ever happened to her to acting like he was nothing but an addict an abuser and a guy who care less about his own kids. And before some of you say why would I say that well with all the things she is saying about him of course he did not give a crap about his kids just his addictions and being a mean person.

Please tell me where Janet says all of this?!?! She said the she felt he had an addiction and thats it. She never said he was a bad person or father... You're making that up and stating it as if she said it. She has never reduced her brother to such terms. If YOU feel that's what she meant then say so... But don't try to state it as she has been saying that because that's simply not true.
Some on here read wwaaaaaaayyyy too much into interviews. Every time someone gives an interview there isn't some ulterior motive, insinuation, or cryptic message behind it or what they say. Take the words for what they are. Don't get me wrong.. There are times where things are insinuated but most times(98%) there arent any. It's just people on here making up stuff they want them to say and believing it..... SAD

 

[Alayasha]

Self esteem is internal, it is how YOU feel about yourself. Yes, others can say things that can compound the problem. However, the problem existed before the comments. For example, I don't know if you've ever seen an overweight person wearing a revealing outfit in the midst of snide comments, snickers, etc. Some people may internalize that while there are some who are comfortable within themselves not to give a damn what others think. Janet has had many people tell her she's beautiful. Yet, she chose to internalize the few bad comments, possibly made worse because they were said by family. To me, somewhere along the way, someone with importance and authority in her life ingrained in her the her self worth was dictated by her body image and she choses to hold on to anything that re-enforces that. Again, no one can go into your concious mind and take your self worth. If being told she's beautiful didn't boost her self esteem, being called a cow didn't take it away. Her inner voice was formed by something toxic and that inner voice is shaped as we are infacts and toddlers and it's re-enforced throughout our lifes. So I disagree with you, as an adult one should take ownership of one's life. Access your childhood baggage and dump the junk that's weighing you down. Its easier said than done but its necessary and no one else can do it for you.