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All I ask is that she not appear on Oprah for the promotion of this book! 'cause then it will be slaughter time once again for Michael.
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prettygirlmj
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You know Janet will appear on Oprah. She is going to have to promote her book and everyone goes on Oprah.
Moulin Rouge
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I really wonder if you guys are hearing what you want because they and many other people have said many nice things about Michael the father, humanitarian, person and entertainer. I believe jermaine even accpeted an award on his behalf for his humanitarian efforts. Why only point out things said that annoy you.
Janet's book isn't about Michael, it's about herslef but he is going to be mentioned because he was apart of her life. If he teased her, he teased her. Janet didn't say Michael was so mean and she hates him now for what he did, instead she said "He never meant for it to be cruel. He didn't realize what the effect that it was having on me". I don't know how this can be seen as bashing him or disrespecting him. She mentions that all her brothers teased her, kids do that and some can handle it and it doesn't affect them but with some it does.
Janet also dedictaes the book to her brother and says:
"I can't describe our pain in losing a brother, or the pain of his children in losing their father, or the pain of my parents in losing their son. I still have not seen the film, 'This Is It.' I still can't watch any of his videos, listen to his music. I'm certain that one day I'll again be able to enjoy the miraculous sound of his voice, and the marvelous sight of his dancing. But, that day has not yet arrived. The mourning continues."
But I'm sure some people will find something negative to say with this quote too. She is not doing an interview to eulogize her brother but he will be mentioned and if you can't handle it just save yourself the trouble and don't watch.
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Rasta Pasta
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the more Janet say or do post-Michael.. the more she disgust me..
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I fail to see how it is 'disrespectful' of Janet to say her brother hurt her feelings. You all preach for the truth in the Dr. Murray case yet when Janet gives you the truth, (which it most likely is and shouldn't upset you guys at all either way) you can't handle it. Some people need to accept that Michael was human and not perfect which means he messed up now and again. I love Michael but I want to see him as a human being, which Janet is giving us a chance to do, not as a messiah who did no wrong ever. It is a relief to know he was a human (a good one) and made human errors, I find it comforting personally.
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I agree with what you've said Moulin. People have to do away with this theory of the Jackson's trying to use tactics to cash-in on his death. I know folks are upset that it's taken a while for the case to get started,but mean-while, life has to go on. How are we to know what happens when these family members are alone or with each other for that matter? Michael's death hit us like a train... can you imagine how his family members felt? Esp the childern. I realize that Randy's does some sh*tty things to Mike in the past, but since that accident he's never been the same. \i'm sure the other family members are still struggling to come to grips with the situation-much to some of our doubt. As for this book by Janet, hell, if itt can reach out and help other individuals who have endured something similar to what she has in some likeness, than so be it. It's just nice to see the family begin the healing process, on their own time, in their own way.
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Amazing that some people/fans are just NOW realizing that Michael was "human". I always knew that he was human and made mistakes just like every other human being. That doesn't take away from the fact that I don't believe Janet's so-called "truth" about Michael being in "denial" and what the #$W# this has to with the FACT that Conrad Murray MURDERED Michael. I also don't need Janet's book to make me realize that Michael was a wonderful human being.
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Gee, thanks...that's sweet!
Well...There is no denying that mostly all of her wealth came from talking mess about her bro MJ in the pass, that's for sure! It's how she became so infamous! Sad but, true! SMH And even though now she talks nice about her bro it still remains the same, riding the fact that she is Michael Jackson's sister and scoring interviews and jobs on that alone!
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See, that is the problem that I have with Janet and the rest of the Jacksons who USE Michael to promote themselves. Janet says negative things about Michael when it is CONVENIENT(Oprah, Robin Roberts, etc.). She says thing positive when she wants to sucker in his fans(like this book, the "tribute at her concerts,etc.) It's really amazing and pathetic how some MJ fans fall for her fakery. It's also amazing how some fans can't figure this out for themselves. Just think about it, Janet would never have DARED to say the things that she has said about Michael when he was alive as she is doing now. She knows that there is no one(except his KNOWLEDGABLE fans) who will come forward and defend him. She knows that the family is going to be silent or go along with the crap that she spews. They want to appear "united"(gags in disgust). She respected her ex-husband, Rene, who was a known heroin addict and cheater. Yet, she has thrown him under the but and said one word about his cheating ways and REAL drug abuse. She shuts you down when you ask questions about her ex. She shuts you down when you ask questions about other members of her family. Never has she spoken about her other brothers problems. YET, she waits until Michael is murdered and no longer here to DISREPECT him. I will never forgive her, Joe, REbbie and any other members of his family for doing him like that. It is no excuse for family to do him like that and think that fans will forgive them, excuse them, or forget about what they are doing. I don't care that some fans are naive enough to forget or forgive her and the others for what they have done since Michael was killed. I won't forget or forgive. Of course, that's MY opinion and MY beliefs.
I think is more about religion, than her loving Joe that much...and how Kath interpreted a rule from Bible -the woman to obey the husband, male being seen as superior.
Many Christian religions follow this, not only JW, but in the same time, the interpreting might be different in function of situations... For example love is above this, also if the husband is abuser, the woman is encouraged to take control and become the head of the family and make decisions accordingly.
But many without wanting and making one rule above all, increasing artificially the importance, while other rules are suffering a shrinkage and being pushed behind.
I think Kath interpreted this rule as in being more important than love maybe? Or she saw her and kids obeying the male in family, as consequence of love and obeying God?
I think this happened with Katherine and her role in the family. This fact is sooooo obvious because as strict as JW she is, in the same time she obeys the males in the family. The triangle, Jermaine, Randy Alexandra, their offspring living together in same house... Also her male children changing religions etc She is not doing this out of the openness of mind...
She is simple passive, because Kath obeys very strictly the first rule for her - obey the male.
Her attitude - passive one, and sweep things under the rug, also denial. She also sees the unity of family above the individuality of each member of it. She also sees herself as intermediator, negociator and the maker of peace in the family, a good thing, but she also go with this in extremes sometimes, and she loves this role maybe too much, and is ready for many compromises for the sake of it.
With these ones - she thinks she preserves the unity of family, no matter what
- she things she obey the male and because of that she is not sinning in front of God
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I do not like this.... not at all....
If she got this problem with Mike then she got few other options besides an interview.
- resolving the problem between her and Mike while he was still alive
- assuming own responsibility for weight problems - pointing fingers won't help in the long run.... her own responsibility is in it too, at least for the last 2 decades.
- trying to discover other traumas and see if this anger toward Mike does not hide other real traumas
- try to see the trap media, Mtv etc made for her
The trap of showing she is better than him, that sense of running course and see who's the winner mentality....
I've saw it long time ago.... How media conceived that trap, always praising her, always putting Mike down, always making comparisons between the too...
I thought she would see it through... but jealousy once born, is very hard to deal with.
Yeah Janet is suffering of jealousy, it been obvious for years and years...
Maybe she has suffered from it her entire life... or it's just the trap media made for those 2 brothers? I think that media only 'helped' bring it to the surface. Now Mike death helped even more.
So what we are witnessing is a burst from Janet subconscious against her brother Mike, of jealousy and anger as a result of it. She probably kept it for years, instead of trying to clear things in her soul and between her and Mike.
I hope in time this will consume itself and Janet can feel again the love for Michael. I think she is good soul, but she is too competitive, egotistic and also naive with media.
I hope one day she will realize this.. and also the truth about her brother....
I also hope she will assume responsibility for problems in her life as an adult. She is adult now, blaming game at 40s or 50s is not looking at all. Especially after your brother died murdered. A brother that went through so much suffering, real suffering, and also a sensitive sweet soul that meant no harm, even when he did wrong...
If she got this problem with Mike then she got few other options besides an interview.
- resolving the problem between her and Mike while he was still alive
- assuming own responsibility for weight problems - pointing fingers won't help in the long run.... her own responsibility is in it too, at least for the last 2 decades.
- trying to discover other traumas and see if this anger toward Mike does not hide other real traumas
- try to see the trap media, Mtv etc made for her
The trap of showing she is better than him, that sense of running course and see who's the winner mentality....
I've saw it long time ago.... How media conceived that trap, always praising her, always putting Mike down, always making comparisons between the too...
I thought she would see it through... but jealousy once born, is very hard to deal with.
Yeah Janet is suffering of jealousy, it been obvious for years and years...
Maybe she has suffered from it her entire life... or it's just the trap media made for those 2 brothers? I think that media only 'helped' bring it to the surface. Now Mike death helped even more.
So what we are witnessing is a burst from Janet subconscious against her brother Mike, of jealousy and anger as a result of it. She probably kept it for years, instead of trying to clear things in her soul and between her and Mike.
I hope in time this will consume itself and Janet can feel again the love for Michael. I think she is good soul, but she is too competitive, egotistic and also naive with media.
I hope one day she will realize this.. and also the truth about her brother....
I also hope she will assume responsibility for problems in her life as an adult. She is adult now, blaming game at 40s or 50s is not looking at all. Especially after your brother died murdered. A brother that went through so much suffering, real suffering, and also a sensitive sweet soul that meant no harm, even when he did wrong...
I agree completely. :clapping:
And if she was that in pain because of what Mike said, she would have tried to not expose her curvy body that much. I depict here on the contrary a sense of pride for her body, good healthy pride. And she is exposing it accordingly with this pride. If she is been so self conscious, she would have got a sense of shame and trying to hiding it more...
I think her issues are not so profound as she wants to present to the world
... and she got some hidden real issues.
With Joe and of course with Mike. Abuse ( Joe ) and jealousy ( she jealous on Mike ) are the name for those issues. She got this way because she is too competitive,sometimes when you are like that you end up in jealousy.
- also the will - all the family is upset with this
Those are the real profound issues here...
The body issues I am not saying that those do not exist, but I think is something blown out of proportion for the sake of of other interests. Promotional interests, selling etc
Moulin Rouge
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:lol: you do realize this interview isn't about Michael, it's about her book.
Michael apologized, there is no problem. She is just stating the root cause for her self esteem problems.
So you think Janet doesn't love him.. that's crazy. You probably didn't even read her quotes. Michael was her brother before the fame she knew and loved him and until his last day she loved him.
Michael always talked about his childhood or lack of one and about how he was affected by teasing so why can't janet have her say too? Did you feel Michael should grow up and move on? did you secretly harbor these thought and feelings about Michael too? Michael was no angel, he made mistakes and made bad choices too but that doesn't mean he was a bad person. Janet is not mad at her brother, I am amazed how some of you could summarize the entire book without reading it or watching the interview.
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No that's not sure. Becuase calling somebody 'fat' is mean, but not evil. Evil is the darkest term, I won't use it in this case.
And this is said by fans that are feeling upset on this specific point, now. Maybe tomorrow some of them won't say it again.
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It's nice to see that there are still some posters with sense left.
Girl, I'm tellin' ya even if ppl were about to hold a gun onto my forehead and force me buy anything promoted by Janet and those like her, I wouldn't be buying it. LOL!
I am going to have to stop you right there. JWs do not feel that husbands are superior, they feel he is the head. (If you want clarification on that PM me, I will not derail the thread with that). And Kath's decision to let Joe get away with his antics is not because of what she was taught as a JW, it was because of her own choice.
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I think that the fan community knows exactly who Michael Jackson was. It's the world out there who doesn't have a clue. Do you think that the world out there thinks of Mike as a Messiah and angel or as a freaking pedophile, a monster who finally is dead and the children are safe? I think it's the second one. And having his sister talking about how cruel he was to her (i think he appologized but hey who cares eh? And i think there were her other brothers too but again who cares. Mike is the monster) do you think it makes him look better? Please, visit some MJ forum and see what they say.Some even claim that he deserved the Wa*** Ja*** joke because he made fun of his sister butt, IN THE PRIVATE OF THEIR HOME. Again, we the fans know who Michael was.We know that he was a person full of faults, we don't expect ms. Janet to tell us. But she could talk about something else in change. About the fact that he was probably one of the biggest HUMANITARINAS ever? This is something that people out there don't know. Why don't talk about that? Why talk about the fat jokes huh?
I don't have anything with her. She can say whatever the hell she want. But by saying all those things about her brother it reinforces the negative image that people have already for him. And that is very sad. Again, it's not about the fans, it's about the world out there who has already a very very negative opinion about Mike.
But hey, as long as the books sells, who cares... Now next stop. Dear Oprah Winfrey. Outch!!!
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Alma
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So true... And it's a hurtful thing, at the end of the day. There is So much to be said about him, so many good things, that many would only dream of achieving.... Yet it seems the media are winning every time. ..
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:clapping: I like Janet, like a few other Jacksons too, but have been greatly disappointed because you are so right...everything possible and reprehensible has been said about MJ. The media and public don't need another unqualified tidbit to villify him. It's not about truth here, it's about context, and unless Janet balances her comments with a positive overview on MJ, she's just adding fuel to the unending MJ bash fire.
Janet is enjoying a resurgence in her career because of Michael--just as admittedly Michael's music enjoyed such a resurgence. At this stage in her career, no way would Janet be getting the kind of major television network coverage, with morning interviews and a nighttime plug of a health book if she wasn't MJ's sister and what happened to him hadn't. It's all front and center for her at least for this book because of Michael. The promos are about MJ and negative on him. She's been in the business now for decades, too. Negativity sells. She knows that.
I will never forget how she has supported MJ, how she walked up on a stage before the world, and stood beside her brother wearing a tee shirt "pervert, too", essentially mocking those allegations. That she now chooses, at least from what we've seen so far, to malign her brother is actually painful. It's just really hard to accept that she is so clueless about what she's doing out there. So it gets down to her doing it to sell her d@mn book.
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Can you just STOP it now? WHERE DOES JANET BLAME MICHAEL SOLELY FOR HER LOW SELF-ESTEEM?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where does Janet say "I have bad self-esteem and thats because of Mike"!! Please show me!!!!
She talks about HER CHILDHOOD AND ALL HER SIBLINGS CALLING HER NAMES!!!!!
Im the first to call out the jackson family on their actions and if u go through my previous posts you will see im no defender of the family and have bashed them and critized them a lot but this shitt is getting out of hand now
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She dedicated the book to Michael, because she wants MICHAEL'S FANS to buy the book also. LOL!
I mean, selling this book to her fans alone isn't going to bring her the desired results, in my opinion.
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It is really sad that some really do need to be proven Time and time again just how Human Michael was. .... If you really didn't know it before, he was. And there is Absolutely no need to keep on harping on this, a thing that seems to interiorly excite the human nature of some.
Who cares about what the public things generally, or doubts about, which is of Jackson's sexual orientation, for instance, and other crap which defies logic and certainly paints him in the worst possible light. ? So, one'd think at least his admirers would have some more sense on this.
I'm sorry, but Michael was treated Most of his life as an alien, when he passed, many were like 'Oh, but Michael Jackson couldn't die" and other baffling ignorant things. He was mostly treated as either a superhuman or the lowest speces of underground animal. What more should understand by the term 'human' is that it defines a human being, in his case, a very very selfless one, one who cared and was no judgemental, but had some flaws. Because, well, he was a human being, afterall. Why get stucked in the negative part of being a human? That's cause it's media-trendy? He was always focusing on other people, even in his interviews, he wanted to be asked about who he loves and admires, about other things all the time. He loved dedicating himself to the other. ...
Who's denying here that Jackson wasn't a human being? He was one with feelings, one who, no matter how strong he was, he still had a heart that bled, as he'd say. He still had eyes and ears to witness all the criticism of his persona, even though those people knew nothing of his inner being. How would he feel if he were here to see how some are harping on plastic surgery, on 'interventions', on 'denial', on Negativity, bottom line, on behalf of his own family...? Instead of, say, doing everything they can to at least try to protect his 3 children the way Michael did and rightfully so..?
Why harp on the negative to justify a personal necessity, at the end of the day, a selfish one too, that Jackson made mistakes? No one here is blindfolded about this, not even biased, because, as a family, you be a family first, treat that person as a human being first, before pressuring him into doing reunions shows or whatever, though the lawsuits piled up way above his head, yet he still chose Janet, his sister, to be one of the opening acts of his London shows, per Travis Payne's own words. Why to the media, again..? Time and time again, too..? It's normal and human to be feeling whatever inside, but really, why say that to the media, repeatedly?
He focused on the most positive when talking about his family, even when asked about Joe, he still found a way to place him in a more positive light, calling him a 'genius', and though that's a very long shot, that was who Michael was. Forgiving and always looking for the good in people. He just wanted a family.
Now, I've diverted from the topic, I believe, don't even know how coherent I am, it's just that it's very difficult to see how painting Jackson in a negative light (like the media love and can't wait to always do) is still making some feel that it's not enough.
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Who cares about what the public things generally, or doubts about, which is of Jackson's sexual orientation, for instance, and other crap which defies logic and certainly paints him in the worst possible light. ? So, one'd think at least his admirers would have some more sense on this.
I'm sorry, but Michael was treated Most of his life as an alien, when he passed, many were like 'Oh, but Michael Jackson couldn't die" and other baffling ignorant things. He was mostly treated as either a superhuman or the lowest speces of underground animal. What more should understand by the term 'human' is that it defines a human being, in his case, a very very selfless one, one who cared and was no judgemental, but had some flaws. Because, well, he was a human being, afterall. Why get stucked in the negative part of being a human? That's cause it's media-trendy? He was always focusing on other people, even in his interviews, he wanted to be asked about who he loves and admires, about other things all the time. He loved dedicating himself to the other. ...
Who's denying here that Jackson wasn't a human being? He was one with feelings, one who, no matter how strong he was, he still had a heart that bled, as he'd say. He still had eyes and ears to witness all the criticism of his persona, even though those people knew nothing of his inner being. How would he feel if he were here to see how some are harping on plastic surgery, on 'interventions', on 'denial', on Negativity, bottom line, on behalf of his own family...? Instead of, say, doing everything they can to at least try to protect his 3 children the way Michael did and rightfully so..?
Why harp on the negative to justify a personal necessity, at the end of the day, a selfish one too, that Jackson made mistakes? No one here is blindfolded about this, not even biased, because, as a family, you be a family first, treat that person as a human being first, before pressuring him into doing reunions shows or whatever, though the lawsuits piled up way above his head, yet he still chose Janet, his sister, to be one of the opening acts of his London shows, per Travis Payne's own words. Why to the media, again..? Time and time again, too..? It's normal and human to be feeling whatever inside, but really, why say that to the media, repeatedly?
He focused on the most positive when talking about his family, even when asked about Joe, he still found a way to place him in a more positive light, calling him a 'genius', and though that's a very long shot, that was who Michael was. Forgiving and always looking for the good in people. He just wanted a family.
Now, I've diverted from the topic, I believe, don't even know how coherent I am, it's just that it's very difficult to see how painting Jackson in a negative light (like the media love and can't wait to always do) is still making some feel that it's not enough.
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well this is one MJ fan who will not be supporting her book
LOL! So true
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THANK YOU !! I'm glad you gotten that straight quick. I don't know WHERE people get these myths about Jehovah's Witnesses from!!
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exactly ,,,,based on Janet's sexy songs , and Latoya's Playboy pics and two brothers one wife(randy, Jermaine) and one husband two wives (MJ) , Rebbie running out of the house with her boy friend and Joe's affairs with his kids girl fans...religion is the last thing the Jacksons think of !
Even atoya in her book was shocked how her mother is twissting religion according to her wishes....no religion. OK NO religion ask woman to obey her husband like this !