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Joe reflects on his family in anticipation of his 86th birthday

Bubs said:
Michael Jackson's father visits the Museum
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Joseph Walter Jackson, father of the late Michael Jackson and creator of the Jackson Five was at the club this Saturday morning to enjoy the Camp Nou Experience along with Simon Sahouri, president of the Michael Jackson Foundation, and other guests.
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Oh dear. Is the "Michael Jackson Foundation" some kind of new scam to get money from fans?
 
Glad he was able to be in a stadium that had some ties to Michael. It seems he had a good birthday even though he likes to say he does not celebrate them. He was reminiscing about his sons when they were younger and I think he did give a good explanation about why he was there and the significance of the place for him. Glad it was a happy experience for all those involved.
Now about the Jackson family foundation--well can a leopard change its spots? I wish people will stop Using Michael's name for Jackson Family endeavors, but it is up to the family to correct them.

I wonder if any family member will comment about his thoughts about them?
 
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From this thread, I've noticed that the majority of you seem to paint all of Michael's siblings in quite a negative light.

I'm aware of a few of Jermaine's incidents. He cheated on a wife or two didn't he? Married Randy's girlfriend or ex- girlfriend or something along the lines of that? Then there was that whole Word to the Badd saga. I can see that Jermaine has often tried to sponge of of Michael's fame.

I know LaToya said some crazy bad things about Michael and the family too with that whole mental abusive husband thing.

And apparently the Victory Tour's purpose was to use Mike's fame to gain money for the brothers? And that whole ticket price controversy?
What about the recent Jackson's Unity Tour? Was that an act of using Mike's fame again? Or more like trying to reignite the J5's success from the 70's?

Janet is successful in her own right and as far as I know Jackie, Tito & Marlon (a part from those two tours I suppose) and Randy and Rebbie haven't really used Michael's success in anyway have they?

I'm not aware that the other siblings have done anything to use or abuse Michael? If so, maybe someone could tell me about it?
 
MJFAN22 said:
From this thread, I've noticed that the majority of you seem to paint all of Michael's siblings in quite a negative light.

I'm aware of a few of Jermaine's incidents. He cheated on a wife or two didn't he? Married Randy's girlfriend or ex- girlfriend or something along the lines of that? Then there was that whole Word to the Badd saga. I can see that Jermaine has often tried to sponge of of Michael's fame.

I know LaToya said some crazy bad things about Michael and the family too with that whole mental abusive husband thing.

And apparently the Victory Tour's purpose was to use Mike's fame to gain money for the brothers? And that whole ticket price controversy?
What about the recent Jackson's Unity Tour? Was that an act of using Mike's fame again? Or more like trying to reignite the J5's success from the 70's?

Janet is successful in her own right and as far as I know Jackie, Tito & Marlon (a part from those two tours I suppose) and Randy and Rebbie haven't really used Michael's success in anyway have they?

I'm not aware that the other siblings have done anything to use or abuse Michael? If so, maybe someone could tell me about it?
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Unfortunately, they painted themselves with a negative light. What Latoya, Jermaine and Randy have done to use/hurt Mike has been more public, but the Victory Tour (and 2300 Jackson Street album/video) is a few things they've all gained something from at Mike's expense. Guilt tripping is a great manipulator, especially when it comes from those that are supposed to love you the most. During the contesting of Mike's will and the failed lawsuit against AEG, those "silent" brothers had their proverbial hand in the cookie jar for the spoils they thought they'd get. Janet participated in "Granny Gate", which stressed out Mike's kids and was seen on security camera trying to snatch a phone from one of them.

All of them have their hands dirty, not just the usual suspects (Jermaine, Latoya, Randy and Rebbie).
 
Thanks SheilaMJ4Ever. @MJFan22
All of the Jackson's leeched off MJ and are still doing it to his Estate now. Don’t forget looting Michael’s home on Carolwood Drive only hours after his death on June 25, 2009. All of the siblings took turns including Miss rich, successful Janet and sweet Mother dearest blabbing about his “addictions” on every talk show in the world after his death and tried to break his will. Their claims of staging interventions were really their failed attempts at getting him locked into commitments to tour with their broke butts again.

Janet was one of the main ringleaders during the infamous Granny napping and subsequent home invasion which terrorized Michael’s kids and helped to cause Paris breakdown.

Jerms and Randy’s kids trying to shoot Blanket with a stun gun and attacking Paris on Twitter while the parents were AWOL. None of them including the parents were able to muster up enough human emotion to issue a proper victim impact statement after Conrad Murray was convicted. All of them have betrayed Michael in one way or another and none of them can be trusted to guard his children, privacy or name.
 
Besides what Sheila and Victory mentioned, the fact the Jacksons just waited hours of Michael's passing to see what they could get from his house, sell it, starting to cash in at his expense on the media to revive their dead careers. Or the fact they all waited months for starting to use his orphaned minor children for their own benefit, spoke volumes the shitty, greedy flock of vultures Michael had as a "family" and had to deal with.
 
Annita;4030849 said:
Day 8 – Michael Jackson
By Angel Howansky on July 23, 2014

Michael-cover

Michael: “Michael was like this. He was the type of kid who loved kids. I remember, .. a long time ago, when I used to give him his allowance after the shows. He would use it all up to buy a lot of candy. He would get the children in the neighbourhood to sit down with him in a circle, and he would keep feeding them candy, laughing and having the time of his life. I would look at him and it was beyond me, how in the world he got the most pleasure watching other kids eat candy.

Another thing, he was so fast. That boy was quick. Once we had a very mean dog in the yard, a black doberman. This dog was so mean and fierce, we called him by a dictator’s name (I can’t mention the name). Now every Sunday, Michael would practise his dancing for about 2 to 3 hours. He had just got done doing his routine and was out walking with Randy his little brother. They did not notice that the dog had got out of the yard and it came chasing after them. Michael was so fast, dashing out of the dog’s way in the split of a second and jumping on top of the car. The dog did however get Randy, biting Randy on his back leg. I rushed after the dog and was able to set Randy free. It was very dangerous because Randy might never have been able to walk again, had the dog continued its bite. Years have gone by and I can still see it all happening like a movie. How Michael was able to outrun the dog that fast, and still have the presence of mind to Jump is beyond me.

What else … Let me see, He was also a master at imitation. He could see something once, and would be able to imitate it. The songs he did, he did at home, so when he went into the studio, he knew exactly what he wanted. Somehow he knew how to think ahead.

He did save my life once. During the early days, there was this gang who would come to shows without paying and take our instruments which we had paid dearly for with the little money we had. My boys and I were getting ready to do a show, when this group showed up. I was not having it anymore this time and I stood up to fight them by myself. I was putting up a fight, when one of them knocked me in the back of my head with a microphone, knocking me out cold. As I lay unconscious, bleeding, little did I know, but Michael had run into the street to pay phone. He called out to people walking by if they could carry him, as he was unable to reach the phone because of his height. They did lift him up, and he called 9-1-1.

After the ambulance got to the show and worked on me, I was barely able to get up. I remember Michael and the boys looking at me with their youthful eyes, full of confusion as if asking “What do we do know?”. I looked straight at them and without any hesitation said “You go on stage and do the show, like nothing has happened. The show must always go on!” Michael internalized that lesson and over the years, even in pain, stress, sadness, he would never let the public see it. He was a professional till the end. In my eyes “The Greatest Entertainer that ever lived”.
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Wow, I am crying, that hit it at home, even when sh*t happened to Michael between him and his father he still loved him, and to all of you taking sh*t about Joe giving MJ an essay and such F*** You! You guys are being really immature, the reason he gave Michael JOSEPH Jackson the most, is because Michael was a mystery, Michael and Joe were an estranged father and son, there was love between them, but both of them didn't know how to show it. It is the same between me and my father, I wasn't supposed to live, he was beat as a child, so both of us are hostile to show emotions, but damn it! When we love each other it is till the end, so if you can't be happy for Joseph, then you need to leave this forum, don't treat him badly because of his past mistakes, he may have tried to make it up to Michael, you don't know that. So shut up and honor the man that MADE Michael, and BRANDON, and MARLON, and JANET.
 
Joe Jackson will never and I mean NEVER get one ounce of “honor” from me because in my eyes he has done nothing to deserve honor. Joe has never been and never will be an honorable man. Let me remind you that this is Michael’s forum not Joseph’s. If you can’t understand that maybe you are the one who should leave and form a fan club for kid beating, wife cheating, don't call me daddy Joe. :beatit:
 
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I'm sorry but Joe has yet to prove to me he deserves my honor. I understand you're upset but...again, Joe hadn't really shown MJ any honor while he was alive. So this little essay he gave on his website doesn't exactly cut it for me.

MJ was still hurting from what Joe did to him up until the day he died. And Joe shows little to no remorse for it, even tries to discredit MJ's feelings/accounts about how he was raised. So yeah, I'll let it slide when Joe shows an inkling of compassion.

Estranged and not seeing eye to eye on things is one thing, and i think we all understand that Joe loved MJ in his own way (sorta, kinda) but Joe used MJ as a money maker. Period. That is a fact. And it wasn't a past thing, its a current thing. He is still doing it. So yeaaah I'm not gonna be as nice as Michael and give Joe a free pass for that.
 
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Why should we honor Joseph? Just because he concieved Michael? You don't know what you're talking about.^^

We all know Michael was excessively kind and nice, none of his parents and siblings deserved him because they've been more worried to see him as a mean to get money than respecting his legacy and honor. Joseph never acted like a parent but a greedy and tyrant manager.
 
No you guys need to honor him, because he is at least trying to do better. Just at least respect him enough to not talk crap about him.
 
I guess i dont' see him trying to be better lol - that essay, again, doesn't show me anything.

He had 50 years to try to be better. When it counted - when MJ was alive.

Plus, there's talking crap and then there's expressing opinions (with legit stuff to back it up). Listen, I respect him as a business man, as someone who brought the J5 into stardom. He was brillant. But as a father to MJ? As a husband to Katherine? Not so much. At least not right now.
 
As I've said before I think it would have gone a long way toward Michael's emotional healing if Joe had said to him I'm sorry, I was wrong, I love you. Joe was too proud to say it so what he has to say now doesn't count for crap.
 
Joe hasn't changed a bit, he's not trying to be better because he treats PPB as means to make money off them and off Michael as well. The only difference is that the children haven't suffered those brutal beatings their father went through.

I mean a SOB who brakes a child's rib, chokes him or oiling his nude body to beat the crap out of him for singing the wrong notes or missing dance steps is not a father but a cruel sadist. There's no reason to honor that kind of failure of a human being.
 
TheManinTheMirror said:
Wow, I am crying, that hit it at home, even when sh*t happened to Michael between him and his father he still loved him, and to all of you taking sh*t about Joe giving MJ an essay and such F*** You! You guys are being really immature, the reason he gave Michael JOSEPH Jackson the most, is because Michael was a mystery, Michael and Joe were an estranged father and son, there was love between them, but both of them didn't know how to show it. It is the same between me and my father, I wasn't supposed to live, he was beat as a child, so both of us are hostile to show emotions, but damn it! When we love each other it is till the end, so if you can't be happy for Joseph, then you need to leave this forum, don't treat him badly because of his past mistakes, he may have tried to make it up to Michael, you don't know that. So shut up and honor the man that MADE Michael, and BRANDON, and MARLON, and JANET.
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I get what you are saying and I felt something there too. It reminds me of something I got from the Oxford speech. When Joe does something against Michael, I am one of the first to talk about it, but in this memoir he showed some deeper caring that I picked up on. For that, even though it is small, I can say thank you to him for it. I have encountered all types of people, even murderers, and found that they have something that they did right. I am not condoning what he did to Michael, but I deeply feel that there is caring for Michael within Joe, and he tried to convey it in a blundering way in this memoir. This does not mean he is not an abuser, wife cheater, stubborn to admit he was wrong. I am just focusing here on what I got from Joe about his feeling for Michael and not what Joe did wrong in the relationship. I can separate the two.
 
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TheManinTheMirror;4032802 said:
Wow, I am crying, that hit it at home, even when sh*t happened to Michael between him and his father he still loved him, and to all of you taking sh*t about Joe giving MJ an essay and such F*** You! You guys are being really immature, the reason he gave Michael JOSEPH Jackson the most, is because Michael was a mystery, Michael and Joe were an estranged father and son, there was love between them, but both of them didn't know how to show it. It is the same between me and my father, I wasn't supposed to live, he was beat as a child, so both of us are hostile to show emotions, but damn it! When we love each other it is till the end, so if you can't be happy for Joseph, then you need to leave this forum, don't treat him badly because of his past mistakes, he may have tried to make it up to Michael, you don't know that. So shut up and honor the man that MADE Michael, and BRANDON, and MARLON, and JANET.
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:girl_tantrum: LMFAO!! How about calming down and realize that it takes more to be a REAL father than the act of conception? Joseph is a poor example of what a loving father is. I had one; many of us had one and we KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

Victory22;4032806 said:
Joe Jackson will never and I mean NEVER get one ounce of “honor” from me because in my eyes he has done nothing to deserve honor. Joe has never been and never will be an honorable man. Let me remind you that this is Michael’s forum not Joseph’s. If you can’t understand that maybe you are the one who should leave and form a fan club for kid beating, wife cheating, don't call me daddy Joe. :beatit:
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AMEN to that, Victory22! :hysterical: :giggle: :rofl:
 
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TheManinTheMirror said:
Wow, I am crying, that hit it at home, even when sh*t happened to Michael between him and his father he still loved him, and to all of you taking sh*t about Joe giving MJ an essay and such F*** You! You guys are being really immature, the reason he gave Michael JOSEPH Jackson the most, is because Michael was a mystery, Michael and Joe were an estranged father and son, there was love between them, but both of them didn't know how to show it. It is the same between me and my father, I wasn't supposed to live, he was beat as a child, so both of us are hostile to show emotions, but damn it! When we love each other it is till the end, so if you can't be happy for Joseph, then you need to leave this forum, don't treat him badly because of his past mistakes, he may have tried to make it up to Michael, you don't know that. So shut up and honor the man that MADE Michael, and BRANDON, and MARLON, and JANET.
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If you think you can force me to respect someone I feel is not deserving of it, you are sadly mistaken. Bye.
 
Respect is earned not given. And I don't respect people who can't respect their own
 
^^Guys you mean to tell me a man does a heap load of crap, and because of that you can't say that he said 1 good thing and respect him for that 1 good thing? I am not saying that you respect Joe for all the horrible things he did. Why can't you say Joe is a -----, but at least he did do 1 thing right and I thank him for that 1 thing.
 
Yep I said that earlier. What he said was nice. Kudos to him. :p But am I going to pretend he's all of a sudden father of the year? Not so much.
 
I also acknowledged earlier it was a kind of decent attempt of Joe to say something nice but it doesn't mean I'm gonna like him, even less respecting him.
 
Petrarose;4033388 said:
^^Guys you mean to tell me a man does a heap load of crap, and because of that you can't say that he said 1 good thing and respect him for that 1 good thing? I am not saying that you respect Joe for all the horrible things he did. Why can't you say Joe is a -----, but at least he did do 1 thing right and I thank him for that 1 thing.
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For me the reason I can’t say Joe did one right thing when he wrote his essay (If he wrote the essay) is because I think he could give less than a crap about Michael or any of his other spawn for that matter. With Joseph the bottom line is always what can he get out of the deal. The man doesn’t have a sentimental bone in his body so now the thing I need to pinpoint is what is he angling for?
 
I think it would be easier for me to give Joe at least a little credit, if we had any indication that he ever apologized to MJ & the other kids for abusing them or had at least shown even a bit of remorse for it at some point in the 25+ years Joe has been getting asked about the abuse in numerous interviews. Probably not though, since I can't ever forget him disgracefully and gleefully hyping what he thought would be his new record company on the BET Awards red carpet only 2-3 days after MJ died, likely because he wrongly assumed the money for this record company was going to come from him/Katherine getting MJ's money/estate with their plan to have Brian Oxman file papers that Monday claiming MJ died without a will, though it had already been publicly disclosed on TV by multiple lawyers that he did have a will.

I suspect the reason MJ's "tribute" sounded slightly more "personal" than most of the other siblings' tributes is simply that the assistant who is helping Joe write up and post these tributes was probably monitoring the reactions to the earlier ones and let him know that people were saying online that they wanted more personal stories about MJ.

What surprised me most in all of this is that tidbit in his tribute to Janet, where he said that Janet and Jackie's daughter Brandy were the ONLY ONES out of that huge family (his wife, 8 surviving kids, and about 30 grandkids) to come visit this 85+ year old man in the hospital after he had his strokes, which could have killed him. This is pretty profound to me and informative about the quality of his relationship with his adult kids/grandkids, despite the adult kids (other than MJ) publicly denying or excusing that Joe abused them. As harsh as he is, I'd bet that lack of family visitors hurt and maybe embarrassed him a bit, since everyone knows how big his family is. Maybe that experience is part of the reason he's doing these tributes - he's realizing that he needed to reach out and finally give his kids some kind of praise and attention.
 
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TheManinTheMirror;4032802 said:
Wow, I am crying, that hit it at home, even when sh*t happened to Michael between him and his father he still loved him, and to all of you taking sh*t about Joe giving MJ an essay and such F*** You! You guys are being really immature, the reason he gave Michael JOSEPH Jackson the most, is because Michael was a mystery, Michael and Joe were an estranged father and son, there was love between them, but both of them didn't know how to show it. It is the same between me and my father, I wasn't supposed to live, he was beat as a child, so both of us are hostile to show emotions, but damn it! When we love each other it is till the end, so if you can't be happy for Joseph, then you need to leave this forum, don't treat him badly because of his past mistakes, he may have tried to make it up to Michael, you don't know that. So shut up and honor the man that MADE Michael, and BRANDON, and MARLON, and JANET.
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Straight from Michael's mouth:
Now there’s a lesson to learn, respect’s not given, it’s earned

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I'll respect Joseph when he's earned it. Beating your children then denying it when you've been called out for it. Forcing your children to work to pay for everything like adults when they're children Making plans for record deals and speaking about it before burying your own son. Trying to take money that isn't yours because you're too lazy to get a job. Cheating on your wife. Beating your wife. The list of pain this man has caused his family is endless.
 
Does this quote come from the Glenda or rabbi tapes? I don't remember hearing it before. Anyhow, that so f*cking epic and truthful from a wise man who knew Joe better! :clapping:
 
It´s from Privacy

"Privacy"

Ain’t the pictures enough, why do you go through so much
To get the story you need, so you can bury me
You’ve got the people confused, you tell the stories you choose
You try to get me to lose the man I really am

You keep on stalking me, invading my privacy
won’t you just let me be
‘cause you cameras can’t control, the minds of those who know
That you’ll even sell your soul just to get a story sold

[CHORUS]
I need my privacy, I need my privacy
So paparazzi, get away from me

Some of you still wonder why, one of my friends had to die
To get a message across, that yet you haven’t heard
My friend was chased and confused, like many others I knew
But on that cold winter night, my pride was snatched away

Now she get no second chance, she just ridiculed and harassed
Please tell my why
No there’s a lesson to learn, respect’s not given, it’s earned
Stop maliciously attacking my integrity

[CHORUS]

Now there’s a lesson to learn, stories are twisted and turned
Stop maliciously attacking my integrity
 
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