MichaelYoureAStud
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Yep, it's from Privacy.
Yep I said that earlier. What he said was nice. Kudos to him. But am I going to pretend he's all of a sudden father of the year? Not so much.
Joe has to understand he waited to late and now Michael is dead. Too late to get love from him now and from the looks of things too late to get love from his other kids also.
Joe has to understand he waited to late and now Michael is dead. Too late to get love from him now and from the looks of things too late to get love from his other kids also.
But I don't think anyone was asking you to pretend that. At least I can't remember anyone doing so. A person can say that an individual did or said something good without going overboard and saying the person is the best person or father of the year.
DC10 your quote: What surprised me most in all of this is that tidbit in his tribute to Janet, where he said that Janet and Jackie's daughter Brandy were the ONLY ONES out of that huge family (his wife, 8 surviving kids, and about 30 grandkids) to come visit this 85+ year old man in the hospital after he had his strokes, which could have killed him. This is pretty profound to me and informative about the quality of his relationship with his adult kids/grandkids, despite the adult kids (other than MJ) publicly denying or excusing that Joe abused them. As harsh as he is, I'd bet that lack of family visitors hurt and maybe embarrassed him a bit, since everyone knows how big his family is. Maybe that experience is part of the reason he's doing these tributes - he's realizing that he needed to reach out and finally give his kids some kind of praise and attention.
^^Interesting. Also, what I got out of that statement about who visited him, was that he WANTED to be visited, given attention, be the receiver of love. This shows that with all the horrible things he did to family members, there is a part of him that still wants love and attention. I think that came out even though he might not have realized it did and any person trained in human psychology would pick that up. This makes me see that Joe is just like any other person out there who wants love and affection, even though he does not know how to say it, does not know how to say I am sorry, did not do some deep internal work to realize how his actions affected one child in particular, and he still remains the stage dad to the end.
Personally I think all the children deep down really love that father. Michael recognized that Joe did love him at least from the Oxford speech. I think that is what the poster was trying to say--that Joe with all his faults had some love for his children, at least to the extent he could show love to them. Obviously this man has his own psychological/emotional issues too and that plus his own childhood socialization/parenting did affect the way he raised his children. Now I am not condoning what Joe did, but people are socialized into a type of behavior, and not many are like Michael who engage in serious self analysis and decide they will change certain patterns of behavior and not repeat them in their lives. People like Michael make plans to change maladaptive behaviors and follow their plans.
This is the most emotion he has shown yet. :bugeyed
I didn't think he had it in him, really. Still, he doesn't earn "Father of the Year" honors imho. This is pretty much like shutting the barn door after the horses have already gone.
Bubs;4034824 said:No, I don't think either.
He writes about his own kids or grandkids, only ones who gets praise from him are the one who did something for him, like Prince calling him, Brandi coming to see him, Stevanna calls and visits, other got no mentions at all.
I saw the same pattern with cubs, he praised the one who "served" him, and others got only little mentions.
Over all, "King Joe" has spoken", that was my impression of his reflections.