Two posts .
- One is from Michael Frost of PAAS saying that Jackson family members could be included in this auction and might back up authenticity if asked.
- Second is from AUTOGRAPH AUTHENTICATOR TODD MUELLER saying that Crykin , Frost, Epperson and the rest is deliberately attacking Juliens because they hate each other and calling their credibility into question.
Reply by Michael Frost 14 hours ago
Steve,
Thank you I think you have done a great job moderating this discussion. It is unbelievable how many people it has reached including celebrity's and members of the Michael Jackson immediate circle. I am reaching out and contacting anybody I think can assist in exposing or shedding some light on this matter. The problem I have heard that is most concerning and I have been on the phone most of the day is the issue of wardrobes and stage outfits being discussed. I know very little about this part of Michael Jackson's life and career. I have been told by more then one person very close to Michael Jackson and the Jackson family that Michael Jackson would almost always have multiple outfits made. Very rarely was a one of a kind suits, hats, shoes made to order by Michael and for tours or even appearances there were sometimes a dozen of the same suit or jacket, hat made for him. I have been told that the discussion is losing some credibility going in that direction.
I have also been told that this is delicate and members of the Jackson family may be involved as consigners, and they would if pushed say that the items are 100% authentic. If that happens all of what is said and proven would become worthless. It would be hard to fight the authentication of a Joe Jackson or other members of the family.
It is so important for us to stay with autograph authentication and not to go places that we have no credentials or expertise in. I also have been looking for a statement from PSA/DNA , John Reznikoff, Jimmy Spence and any other autograph authenticator. I have not seen or heard anything in defense of the signatures except what was sent to me via e-mail by a website, I believe that has the involvement of Todd Mueller.
I would like to have a statement by Todd Mueller directly, if he does find the signatures in question to be authentic. I know what I have seen and what I have examined but I am always open to facts and explanations backed up with examples. Who know's maybe Mr. Mueller can teach us all something that only he and Michael Bush would known.
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STEVE CYRKIN AND HIS ATTACKS ON MICHAEL BUSH AND JULIEN’S AUCTIONS
I am asked on a daily basis to comment on the authenticity of
autographed material. This posting comes as result of the recent
attacks and accusations against Michael Bush and Julien’s Auctions by
Steve Cyrkin because Julien’s will not advertise on his site. Steve
has teamed up with someone by the name of Taaj Malik who is supposedly
known in the MJ community as posting blogs against anyone who profits
off of Michael Jackson. I have listed below a history of Steve Cyrkin
and some of the others who I have had personal experiences with to
clarify the people behind some of these attacks.
I began collecting autographs in 1978 at the age of 13 when a chance
encounter with Mickey Mantle got me hooked for life. Many consider me
the largest buyer and seller of autographs in the world since I run
the only weekly autograph auction house outside of eBay. I have
created two highly praised card sets, spent millions of dollars on
estates and collections and have represented hundreds of famous people
in private signing’s over the years. I have been asked to join most
of the third-party authentication companies within the autograph
hobby. I have been interviewed by the press and media regarding my
expertise in autograph authentication. My company guarantees
everything with a 100% money back guarantee for life. I have even
given refunds to people who didn’t even purchase the material from me
in an effort to increase customer satisfaction regarding my name.
I have never been attacked in print, through interviews or on the
internet until Steve Cyrkin and his blog went into attack. Steve
Cyrkin is the co-founder of a third-party authentication company, has
owned an autograph company named Starbrite, but closed down the
company so he could pull the forgeries out of his inventory. That
company and website have now been shut down for years. He then bought
a magazine called “Autograph Magazine” but that also went down the
drain. Now he owns and operates a blog called “Autograph Magazine
Live (“AML”
,” which attacks anyone and everyone he sees fit. In my
opinion, the blog he created has only one purpose, which is a weapon
to attack competitors, non-advertisers and/or anyone he deems unworthy
in the autograph hobby. The blog is his personal evil playground to
divide the autograph industry and cause chaos. People in the
legitimate circles of the autograph industry know the name Steve
Cyrkin as the evil blogger. He will leave key players in the autograph
industry alone if they advertise on AML, which is a mafia style way of
operating a business. Members on AML that disagree with anything he
posts are in fear of being kicked off AML and being his next victim.
He commonly uses fake names on AML to promote his libelous agenda and
to attack competitors, non-advertiser and anyone he deems unfit.
Nothing is off limits on Steve Cyrkin’s site when attacks are launched
on AML. Personally, he or his members have attacked my religion,
home, family and even my baseball career going back twenty years ago.
AML uses a “proclaimed” expert in music autographs by the name of
Roger Epperson. Much can be read about him on the site
www.autographnewslive.com. Roger Epperson states autographs do the
talking. He also states if an autograph doesn’t look real you have to
throw it away since the autographs tell the story. I once questioned
him on this and showed a Rolling Stones guitar he was offering for
sell that looked nothing like any authentic Rolling Stones autographs.
Roger going against his own previous claims (a conflict of interest
as a
seller) then claimed it was signed out of a car window for a friend.
These guys will spin anything and everything to meet their agenda.
Roger Epperson has no problems telling lies. He once stated he had
heard from many that I was selling shower heads from Auschwitz. Of
course this is completely false and fabricated to meet their agenda at
the time in trying to discredit me.
Roger Epperson and Steve Cyrkin for years attacked a competing
authentication company by the name of PAAS, owned by Mike Frost. They
called him all sorts of horrible things and even had his certificates
of authenticity banned on eBay. Some people who have had bad
experiences with PAAS and Mike Frost quickly began to attack him on
AML for after all Mike Frost hated Steve Cyrkin so much he called for
his death. Some people were even banned from AML for having an
opinion that went against the agenda of attacking people and
companies. Mike Frost is known to not tell the truth. He sent me
emails asking me to publish false facts within the autograph hobby
back when Autograph News Live was a blog site, which I refused to do.
He also made me a member of his autograph club, then falsified
documents to make me President of his club and used this position to
kick off a member implying I had done it. Frost turned traitor and
joined Cyrkin’s site and will be used to spread lies about me and
others in the hobby their agenda is after. I have all the
documentation to back this up and more. Recently, Mike Frost starting
blogging on AML as their “new found expert” after years of being
bashed by AML and Steve Cyrkin. Mike was asked about the authenticity
of some Michael Jackson’s Roger had authenticated. Mike not knowing
Roger had already authenticated them stated they were not genuine.
Roger, shockingly agreed with Mike that these items he previously
authenticated were no longer genuine. Yet Mike Frost has stated he
would give a refund based off Roger Epperson’s opinion. It makes no
sense? Who is truly the expert or is there none at all on Cyrkin’s
site?
In return for being correct and correcting one of their experts, I was
once again attacked on AML by Steve Cyrkin’s followers. Steve
Cyrkin’s has made AML into his own agenda and its goal is not to be
correct on matters within the autograph hobby, but to attack anyone
who disagrees with them, with their so-called expertise. This is the
opinion of not just me, but by many who follow this dysfunctional
attack site.
Everyone who is a legitimate autograph expert knows several things.
First, one cannot truly authenticate an autograph without having it in
your hands to study. Second, no authenticator authenticates material
for free and without being hired unless there is in fact an agenda to
discredit, harm or hurt a competitor. For example, I had a Michael
Jackson autograph I was offering on my autograph auction site and it
was attacked by Roger Epperson. He claimed a forger from Missouri
signed it. This was completely false and untrue. It came from an in
person dealer and expert out of California who actually had Michael
Jackson as a client. I watched Epperson state this in shock proving to
me again he did not know what he was talking about. I continued to
offer it and he later stated, because I continued to offer this
legitimate authentic signature of Michael Jackson that I was knowingly
selling a forgery.
Again, another false and reckless statement. I pointed out a
non-authentic Michael Jackson he had authenticated. The item was not
pulled and was sold and Steve Cyrkin bragged about the final price it
got. This kind of hypocrisy fills the pages of AML all at the expense
of legitimate autograph dealers that refuse to pay for advertising or
conform to Steve Cyrkin twisted ideology
This blog owned by Steve Cyrkin is avoided by most experts in the
autograph industry. People don’t want to be attacked with lies and
innuendos. It’s a gang land mentality where “free thinkers” are
kicked off for comments going against the agenda of the owner. This
site is not credible or fair in my opinion and in the opinion of most
dealers and auction houses in the autograph industry. Many legitimate
one time advertisers have since quit running their advertisements,
while others believe some remain simply for protection from being
called out or attacked. It’s a disgusting place to be associated with
and the only place I have ever been attacked in this industry in my
entire two decade plus career. Unfortunately, the internet laws
regarding lible and slander are difficult to navigate and it’s tough
to sue Steve Cyrkin or his posse because it doesn’t seem they have any
money. At least one competitor has already filed suit with more
looking into angles to file lawsuits against him and his website for
libel, business collusion, business disparagement and racketeering or
a combination of the above. Currently, I have been contacted by the
F.B.I and have a law firm looking into the illegal aspects of this
website in an attempt to have the nonsense and lies that are spread on
this site stopped. I am not alone in this endeavor. I will be
attacked for exposing this site but somebody has to stop this
nonsense. The things being done over there under the guise of fixing
the hobby are instead tearing it apart and many innocent and honest
dealers and auction houses. I am not alone. Other professional
dealers, experts and auction houses who have been attacked by Steve
Cyrkin’s gang include Gotta Have It Auctions, Autograph World, myself,
Iconographs/Nelson Deedle, Steve Koschal regarded as the top
presidential expert in the world by most, Nate Sanders, RR Auction,
Mike Frost/PAAS before going rogue, Steve Sipe/Global Authentication,
Garry King, now Julien’s and many, many more.
